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[Auxiliary] Singularity Lab interviews Curt Jaimungal on UFOs, Theories of Everything, Consciousness, Free Will, and God
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This is another auxiliary episode, this time from the Singularity Lab, which interviewed me on October 28th, 2021.
Michael Mataluni led the roundtable discussion, including Luis Jimenez, and rather be squitting on the Identified Celebrity review, with the topics being consciousness, high energy physics, and the technological singularity. The link to Michael's YouTube channel is in the description, and I recommend you visit and subscribe.
His channel focuses on science, technology, futurism, and UAPs. All links are in the description, such as links to each guest's Twitter, as well as YouTube channel. If you'd like to hear more from the Toe Podcast, then do consider going to patreon.com slash Kurt Jaimungal, C-U-R-T-J-A-I-M-U-N-G-A-L
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Singularity Lab and we are live. Thank you so much for joining us today. It has been an eventful week.
Uh, and we're glad you're here for an amazing interview with an amazing person. But before we bring him in, uh, I want to introduce our co-host today, Kristen Madeloni. Kristen, how are you? Great. Okay. Great. Uh, rather be squitting. Welcome rather. Hey, excited to be here. And Luis Jimenez. Welcome, sir. Hello.
All right. Super. Well, I don't want to waste any time here. We've got an amazing super chat from John Brusso for Kurt Gymungle, who is joining us today. Kurt's an amazing dude, and I really appreciate him coming on the show today. For those of you who don't know Kurt, he is a filmmaker and creator and host of Theories of Everything,
with Kurt Gymongol where he explores theories of everything, consciousness, free will, and God. While studying mathematical physics at the University of Toronto, he founded the University of Toronto Television, the largest growing show on campus. He began his film career at the age of 26, which focused on his first film on mental health issues. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Kurt Gymongol. Kurt, how are you? I'm glad to be here. It's great to have you.
Well, we really appreciate you joining us. And I know that you have been very busy, maybe not getting as much sleep as you would like. And I apologize for that, but I'm thrilled you were able to join us today. Yeah. So excuse me if I'm a bit wifty. I'm operating on such a modicum of sleep that I just did. I just used my aura ring and checked my heart rate and it's 100 as a baseline, which is extremely high.
Oh, okay. I don't see I don't know anything about heart rates. But I was just excuse me. I was gonna say though, that does sound like the life of a filmmaker. Well, it's the life of someone running the theories of everything podcast. That's for sure. Yeah, I haven't been
Let me let me ask you this. So John Bruce, so the $25 super chat We're gonna get to we're gonna get to some more questions here in a second, but he says Kurt I love your show if I may please interview Brad Voorhees of sonic gravity. He is loved by this community has a Theory of everything he's trying to test with experiments is a veteran and has some fantastic insights on mental health Brad is an amazing dude and an incredible supporter of the show. And yeah, I think he'd make a great interview for you. I
It's called Sonic Gravity or Sonic what? Boom? Sonic Gravity, Sonic Gravity. Yeah, we'll talk about that a little later. For now, I wanted to kind of dig into this. How did you go from, you know, mathematical physics into film and television? What was that journey for you? When I was in university, I was doing some stand-up comedy.
And then as you are as a stand-up comedian, you want to be more than just a comic. You want to be like Seinfeld. So you write scripts and you pitch them to networks. And my scripts were horrible, but I was so egotistical. I didn't think so.
and thought they were wrong. I should make the script anyway. And I went into filmmaking because of that. And then I didn't ever leave physics and math in the sense that I applied that to my filmmaking. So I've always had that in me. There's this urge to find the what's called the theory of everything in physics since I was young. So I decided, why don't I go back to that during this pandemic? I'm extremely pleased with every day that I get to spend on it.
Yeah, and you're doing some great work over there, some phenomenal interviews. What do you think about, what are you thinking about when it comes to like kind of the current state of media, film, and you know, do you see that that more independent folks like yourself are able to break into into media now? Or do you think it's harder? It's a difficult question. Because you were able to do it. I mean, most of your films are independent, right?
Yeah, all of them are. It's extremely difficult. I wouldn't advise anyone to do it. Even what you're doing is extremely difficult, all of you. It's not easy. Firstly, it's not easy to have the social skills to talk to someone.
It's not easy to put yourself on camera. It's not easy to get a hundred subscribers, let alone your first thousand, let alone double that. And then to have a team of people where you agree to come on at the same time. None of this is easy. It's not like so that's logistics and then let alone being successful at it. Don't know what people, how people live their lives because then, well, what do you do? Do you then just work for a company like Facebook or you mean meta? Right. Right. Right.
I'm going to be a part of this deleting Facebook. I'm seriously considering it. I don't have many views, so don't ask me about meta now. We can get meta, but not about meta. Probably I'm going to be deleting Facebook soon.
Yeah, it's pretty wild. And, you know, even like we were just experiencing this, you know, via Twitter as well. It's just there can be so many pileups, you know, people misunderstandings, people misconstruing what you're saying. And it's a real challenge in this day and age with social media in general, you know, and each platform has its own issues.
So talk to us about, you know, what fascinates you about theories of everything, or maybe give a quick background for folks who don't understand what a theory of everything is, and then maybe what your thoughts are on it.
Yes, you'll hear in popular media or in popular science that there's quantum mechanics, and then there's Einstein's theory, and then there's the difficulty in combining them. Well, technically, it's quantum field theory, not quantum mechanics. So you want to combine general relativity with quantum field theory. And that's called a theory of there's some disputes there because you can just call that a grand unified theory.
And then if there are more fundamental forces, then you can call that the theory of everything. But essentially, if one takes the reductionist view that laws exist and they predict what happens at our level, then what are those fundamental laws? That's called the theory of everything. There are two main academic competitors, string and loop. I'm sure people have heard of that string theory and loop quantum gravity. And well, I'm interested in a more expansive view of what constitutes a theory of everything.
For example, perhaps reductionism is not correct. Perhaps conceiving of the world as fundamental laws isn't correct. Perhaps consciousness has a role to play. Perhaps aliens, by the way, have a role to play. Perhaps God has a role to play. Perhaps there is no God. There's so many avenues that this can go down. I give a word, Veltan Shaung, which we can talk about later. So I consider that to be the more psychological version of a theory of everything.
Yeah, you brought that up in one of your AMAs. What is it? So it literally means perspective or vantage point and means world. So worldview is actually what it translates to. But the way that I'm using it is an all encompassing worldview. So for example, do you know who Ian McGilchrist is or Jordan Peterson? You know who Jordan Peterson is? I do. OK, so if you were to ask Jordan Peterson, why is this
I don't have a metaphysic. And fourth, my model of reality doesn't comport with how I act. Now, if you have all four, I'd say you have a Weltanschauung.
And so and this is fascinating because I love this and I'm
One of the things that I'm really interested in in academia, I think one of the biggest problems that I see in academia is the dramatic over specialization, which is fine, but there's really not any sort of context in between departments and fields. And so when, you know, when I started thinking about a theory of everything before I actually knew what that meant, I always thought about human knowledge and our inability to contextualize human knowledge across multiple disciplines.
Is this something that you think would be valuable in academia and does that relate to your your sort of yearning to have your own Veltan Chayung?
Yeah, right. It's like they can't communicate with one another. I mean, they can, but it's difficult. So it's like what we need is a Rosetta Stone, like an intellectual Rosetta Stone, let's say, or philosophical Rosetta Stone. Right. The problem is that as soon as one starts constructing one, the time that's spent constructing one, the fields would have moved and you would need to incorporate more. So it's one of the reasons why I don't think it's a terrible idea to be a jack of all trades.
and a master of none. It's one of the reasons I emphasize exploring so much on the channel, peregrinations or escapades, like just walking about. The reason why I do that is because for me to get caught up in the weeds, I wouldn't then be able to see the... Right now I'm lucky enough that I can explore some field and then it's getting quicker and quicker. The amount of time that it takes for me to grasp a new field is getting smaller and smaller because I'm exploring at a high level. I'm getting an overview.
I don't see this most people don't see this when they perhaps Michael when you watch the channel like it looks like I'm persnickety and punctilious to like the nth degree and there's a reason for that I believe that when you're precise that breeds truth or more specifically it it shows what's false so there's a reason why I do that on air but off air it's much more exploratory perhaps what I'm doing is creating my own unconscious Rosetta Stone and at some point maybe I'll make it explicit
I'm wondering, I love hearing you talk about this, I'm wondering if this is something that can be resolved by an AI in the future, right? So now we specifically have very good narrow AI. We're not an AGI, but there's a potential for us to get to super AI. And I wonder if that would be the Rosetta Stone or if that would be the place to try to attempt to create that sort of Rosetta Stone.
A super AI as in artificial general intelligence or what? Artificial super intelligence. Yeah, I don't know, maybe. If there's something that's extremely intelligent, I don't see why you can't create a Rosetta stone. You make such a good point about how the fields are constantly evolving. So for a human to do it, it seems a nearly impossible task, but perhaps with
Yeah, well, it's all possible. Anytime someone says is this could it be so yes, it could be.
Yeah, good. Do you think that this actually, you know, there is a theory of everything you think that's within our capability to understand, you know, I kind of think about things like, it kind of seems like if you look at the universe and the metaphysics of everything, either have to accept that something, you know, lasted forever, or that something existed for all eternity, both of which seem kind of incomprehensible to me. So I'm curious, do you think that we can actually understand a theory of everything if there is one?
42 rather. It's 42. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But okay. Well, who knows, man? Well, like there are great reasons. There's some reasons to believe we can't know some people think I'm sure you've heard of girdles and completeness theorems. One of them applies may apply to physics. Some people argue that. I don't see why it does. But it doesn't matter. We're making some progress or we hope we're making some progress. And
Are there any scientists you think are on the right path? In your opinion, from what you've studied, what are you finding with the people you interviewed? I mean, it's so hard, right? Because you have so many different perspectives, people coming up with this from different angles. It's so difficult to... Yeah. Okay, does anyone here play video games? I do. Not much. Okay, so you know the standard open-world Ubisoft game now where you climb a tower and then you unlock some part of the map? Okay, that's what it feels like.
studying toes, except that the map is so vast that what I unlock, I don't see the next tower. So I'm unlocking perimeters around where the tower is, but I don't see the connection between them because well, there's no map button. There's no map button, essentially.
So, well, it's just extremely difficult. I'm, I'm in the, I see vague connections. I just can't articulate them. And so in order for me to compare, I need to see the connections. Right. Yeah. If you are able to, you know, unlock all the secrets of a particular field, like, you know, physics or religion and just, you know, just one, what would you have a, a preference, which, which one would you choose? Ooh.
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Could be the same answer. I mean, it could lead to the same answer. That's a great answer, man. See, Ian McGilchrist, let's talk about that. But what he was saying, he wasn't saying I was going to bring this up to him. So I was getting confused there is that some people think that reality is fractal like and that the more you zoom in, the more you reflect the whole. And if that's the case, then we can explore any field to its ultimate conclusion and get an answer to all the rest of the fields.
I like that. That's one reason why someone who is traditionally religious, let's say in the Catholic Church, just a straw man, if the straw man of the Catholic Church or let's say the Westboro Baptist Church, they'd be like, why are you studying mathematics? Well, Cantor believes studying mathematics is studying the mind of God, that if you study any phenomenon seriously, God in some sense can be synonymous with reality. So if you're studying any part of reality, you're studying God.
To the fractal level and so maybe understanding the microcosm you can understand the macro Yeah, yeah, it might be circular and that you realize that what was micro was macro from one perspective and vice versa I don't know. I'm just well, I know and it but it's interesting and like I always think about like you have these huge particle colliders, right? It's like
It's so funny because you think of you think of the search for you know in physics and then you're going either it's either you know we use mathematics and we try to understand the theoretical or we just smash atoms together like those are the two options and it's like it's really interesting because when you are smashing is that it's like we can't we are constantly trying to get to the root like the god particle and
This is a question about reality. And I would say science makes no claims about reality. Technically, science is a method. And if
so technically a scientist shouldn't say that so-and-so is real they should be an instrumentalist and say what happens when I do this this is the outcome so when you're saying that we're trying to get closer and we can't you're implying that there's a reality behind this and by the way I happen to agree there's a reality behind this though
There may not be, but I happen to agree. By the way, about particle smashing, it may not be that that's the physics future. Because people like Carlo Rovelli would say, quantum gravity, there are experiments we can conduct right now that don't involve particles smashing into one another, keeping a particle in a superposition and then seeing if it's influenced by gravitational field. And that seems to be doable within a year or two years. In the foreseeable future, it's doable. And it doesn't involve an accelerator. The future of physics may not be.
Creating larger and larger accelerators may just be a relic of the past. Wow. Maybe. Maybe we'll see. It's easy. It's the easy method. Right. Smash. People are kind of coming at it from the other angle now, like constructor theorem and Wolfram, like being able to try to create physics from the ground up. Yeah. Do you have any hope for things like those?
Well, constructor theory, I haven't had a chance to look into. I'm excited to read about it because it deals with information theory and I don't know much about that. So I'm looking forward to that. As for Wolfram's theory, you happen to like Wolfram's theory, but don't take me liking it as an endorsement of it reflecting reality. What is Wolfram's theory? I'm not familiar with that. Wolfram's theory would say that what exists is just space or something that's like space. And you can think of them as points in
A generalization of a graph. So a graph is what you think of as a node. Anytime you've seen the internet and you see points and then lines between them, that's a graph. Then you can have a directed graph. Then you can have a hyper, so a directed graph is arrows on those graphs. It's actually, most of mathematics is extremely simple. Once you understand it, it gets jargony and it sounds complicated. And then as soon as you understand, as soon as you understand it, you just see that it's, it's obvious from one perspective either way. So some generalization of a graph.
With rules of updating it. So for example, what if the universe starts with Okay, I don't know if I can do this but let's say we have a ball and then we have I can't do it
There's a $5 super chat question here from Brian McDonald's hi Kurt and SLO and UCR crew Question in theory of everything journey. Have you found a theory which quantifies consciousness as a force which can be measured?
Not as a force, but quantifying consciousness is what the integrated information theory does by Tononi. So you can look that up. I believe he calls it PHI, P-H-I. Making a note of that. Aaron Desario asks for the $50 Uber chat. Thank you so much, Aaron. Love to Kurt. Sorry to interrupt. I just want to quickly add to that before I forget. Anesthetologists, I can't pronounce that word. People who anesthetize. Wait a second. There's a word you can't pronounce. I don't believe this, Kurt.
It seems obvious because when you go to the hospital, you want to assess someone's level of, I was going to say cognition, but it's consciousness.
I guess the question is, do you see consciousness as being a hypothesis we should pursue when it comes to UFOs?
When people say that there's a connection between UFOs and consciousness, I get the feeling that what they mean is fairly elementary. They mean that UFOs can influence our consciousness and that perhaps meditating or some altered states of consciousness can communicate with them. I think it may be more complex than that. It may be. I gave this analogy somewhere. It may be that like we look at slugs right now in the physical world as shambling and inefficient.
And we're like we're adept. We have fingers and we can create. It may be that aliens look at us like that in the realm of consciousness. So we look at slugs like that in the realm of facial dimension and aliens may look at us. If one can make an analogy here between dimensions and say that consciousness has dimensions to it, then maybe it's that we're so we're not a droid and they are and they look at us as these imprecise little weaklings. Maybe they dislike us. I don't know. I don't think they have scorn. I think they do actually.
We don't have the ability to consciously communicate with a slug, but maybe it's potential that they could. This is a rabbit hole. I see what you're saying. Great.
I love that analogy of the slug and I guess kind of my question is, when you make that analogy, do you kind of picture us like a slug in a astral plane, you know, something kind of completely orthogonal to it, or what do you think about the possibility that maybe it's a
like there's a quantumly entangled networks in our brains and that, you know, they're somehow manipulating known physics to achieve a result. They're known physics? Yeah. I don't think so. I think they are operating on, when I say new physics, I think I was excoriated by some people in the comments because it's strange. You can't say new physics. You can just, it's presumptuous to think that we have the physics. It just means that our model isn't complete and they have a more complete model. And that's what I mean when I say new physics.
By the way, that Aaron person mentioned he demonstrated some quality that I don't think the UFO community, a large test is going to come. So let's imagine the UFO phenomenon proves to be real in some manner, proves to be real, or at least I don't like the word proof, but you understand. Yeah. I don't think the UFO community is going to get any credit for being the augers of this. I don't think augers get credit
Nietzsche didn't get credit for much of what he predicted. I think same with Bigfoot. If Bigfoot turns out to be real, you're not going to have people like Neil deGrasse Tyson saying, oh, I'm so sorry. There were tens of thousands of people who had experiences and now I recognizing you. You're not going to get that. They're going to, in fact, perhaps even double down and say, actually, me as a skeptic, I was correct because there wasn't enough evidence. It was you all that jumped the gun. Right. I have a feeling that that's one of the hardest tests that's going to come to the UFO community. You're not going to get the credit.
and they're going to continue to be sneering and contumelius and supercilious, and it's not going to be the warm welcome that we tend to think. You're basically saying that we're Jodie Foster in contact. Basically, Jodie Foster makes the discovery of this signal that Earth is getting from an extraterrestrial intelligence.
And she's been the one who's been sort of advocating for this through SETI. And then of course, as this turns out to be true, this new paradigm, the Neil deGrasse Tyson of the science world comes in and it's like, whoop, I got this. Thank you very much. Picks up the torch and sort of says science was here and we've been here all along. I predict that.
What the Sam Harris I thought did a good job recently when he turned when he changed his mind about UFOs and he said that I need to apologize to every experiencer I've ever made fun of I saw him on the Lex program referring to a referencing that he had someone contact him and tell him that these were real phenomenon.
I peed my pants when you said Rosetta Stone. I think the Rosetta Stone is that we exist as energy on the surface of a black hole, a 2D hologram encoding a 3D universe. When you have the physical model, everything fits perfectly.
I'm losing it. Okay, cool. I need to look into that. I'll send you some links to his stuff. You'll really enjoy it. Okay. Man, great conversation. Again, really appreciate you being here, Kurt. It's fantastic. Yeah, no problem. I wonder, are you inundated? Like you get people giving you theories of everything that they want you to research all the time?
I actually welcome it. I even have a special email address dedicated to people who would like to send me their theory of everything.
Oh, I'll get you that. I'll get that and get it over to Sonic Gravity so he can send you his. And then he just put it in another $10 super chat. You can prove the UFO quantum echo hypothesis if anyone takes a spectrometer. Reading of a glowing tic-tac at night in the spectrometer reading matches the special composition of daylight. Interesting. The spectral composition. All right. All right.
Fantastic. So one of the things that you study is high energy physics. You have a particular interest in high energy physics. Can you share what that is? Yeah, what the general public thinks of as theoretical physics is high energy physics. Theoretical physics is much larger than that because there's condensed matter physics and so on. But what you think of as particles accelerating and so on, that's high energy physics. And when one says one wants to unify gravity with quantum mechanics, you have to have high energy physics
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At the low energy limit, it's been achieved already. There's linearized gravity. Most people don't know that. They just parrot what they've heard on quantum magazine and many other places that general relativity and quantum mechanics are incompatible and so on. You can combine them in a low energy limit. As for the high energy, that's where there are divergences and
I think you launched your show, and maybe you weren't even intending to launch your show, but you did an interview for your film. I believe it was
Better left unsaid.
What was having a conversation with him? Because you were really looking into, and I know you've made this point before, that you're not anti-left or anti-right. You were just looking at the radical left in this particular documentary or film, I should say. What was his interpretation of that? What did you walk away from that conversation with? Firstly, that was
Wow, man, to speak to Chomsky. I have now spoken to Chomsky a couple of times and I can email him and he responds. I never thought that... That's amazing. If you're in academia, even if you're not in cognitive science or linguistics, you know Chomsky. It's a household name. Even people who didn't go to university know Chomsky. Even people who don't know who he is have heard his name. Yeah.
So I emailed him, he said yes, and much like I am now, I was nervous. I'm still nervous in case it doesn't come across. It never goes away, huh? Man, I would have died to see your stand-up comedy if you're nervous for us. Well, I'm also just nervous because my heart is racing because of the sleep. Well, I thought for a second there I made you nervous, so I was blushing, but it's just you're not getting enough sleep. I'd still love to see your stand-up though.
I definitely had a fear of going on stage. I didn't do what, I don't know if you know Mitch Hedberg, he put on sunglasses. Oh my God, I love Mitch Hedberg. Mitch Hedberg was a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful comedian, man. Well, I would shake my leg right on stage and so absolutely nervous. I was horrible anyway. You wouldn't want to see it, Luis, unless you want to have something to make fun of me about. It wasn't a pleasant experience. Yeah, either way. So I spoke to Chomsky and
He was late.
Sir, so it's the first video on the channel the theories of everything channel But there were other interviews on that channel that I just removed. They were horrible Even that interview is horrible, but it went viral. So I kept it Well, I can't be horrible if it went viral Kurt. Well, that's what goes viral man Look at these Jordan Peterson lobster heads talking to Thompson
You see, I take that as a compliment run. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. Well, yeah, no, we've learned in the last few days the Internet is it's got no chill. There's no chill button on the Internet. No, there is no chill button. That's for sure. So what did you anything specific you walked away with after that interview?
Yeah, that the left apparently can do no wrong in Chomsky's eyes. Really? Anything that is wrong is with the right. Because he just defines the left as that which is good, something like that. And it seems like anyone who's on a political side tends to do that. Right. You've kind of put blinders on. Go ahead, Ruther. Ruther's chomping at the bit. He's like, I want to ask her the question.
I love Norm Chomsky and the linguistic history there I think is amazing and it kind of reminds me of the movie Arrival and their take on alien languages and that just kind of blew my mind. I guess I was kind of wondering, when you talk to people like Norm Chomsky, do you bring up the UFO topic much or aliens? I did, twice. So I asked him about alien languages. Now someone who did a better job was Brian Keating and if people want they can search Brian Keating's interview with Chomsky talking about alien languages.
I was more interested in, I don't recall now, but it was regarding alien languages as well, whether or not they're real, whether or not they would, I don't recall specifically. But I spoke to him about that a couple of times. Do you think they'd be similar to our languages or do you think they'd be completely different? No, I don't know. I can see it both ways.
Yeah, it's a hard question. So, Kurt, what do you think about alien languages? Could you translate this for me? Are W's pronounced as V's? How are we able to hear you? It says that you're muted. Oh, that's because we're on the same mic system. We're in the same room. OK. Well, it's funny, though, because in Star Wars,
This was really interesting and it's sort of why everybody freaked out about the last Jedi. But in Star Wars, there's no written history. There's no, it is, it is as if the empires almost erases the history as it's being made. Um, and so now you get these books in the, in the last Jedi and it's like the only text that you've ever seen, hard physical copies of literature.
Uh, in that world, other than that, you don't see paper leaflets. You don't see posters. You don't see any of those things that, that, uh, can note a language, uh, on like a computer screen or something. So I don't even know if, you know, is consciousness a language? Could it be?
It seems like we speak and then it gets perceived. So then it's like the speech is this information that gets picked up and then it gets translated to qualia. So that's the consciousness. I don't see why one can't go from qualia to qualia and eliminate the in-between information. That's technically called telepathy. I don't see why that is in principle impossible. Or even technologic. I mean, it's potentially technologically viable, right? Neuralink and things.
Native culture, they're specifically oral Native Americans and there are very, very few Native Americans who have actually written about their culture, which might make sense because they might think that if they can't
transfer the knowledge through language then it won't be interpreted correctly or through its story versus versus non-fiction though right because they are using language but it's it's in story form from what i understand obviously we are not native american scholars here please forgive us um you know what are your thoughts or
Yeah, I'm curious if, see some people on the Eastern side would say that what we're doing with our language is purely limiting. So what I'm wondering, there's this quote by T.S. Eliot, it's a wonderful quote, and at the end of all our exploring, we'll be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time. I'm wondering if that's what Toe will be, if at the end of Toe, it will be that I shut up because I realized that speaking about it diminishes, it's desecrating something sacred,
He who speaks does not know he knows does not speak and I had a buddy when I had the Appalachian Trail and he was he was on a vow of silence and he told me he who knows like right before I was like you're fucking bullshit, bro. You just said that you just told me You just destroyed your own argument the irony and
but it is fascinating not necessarily because yes except you can use this system to disprove the system so you can use rationality to disprove rationality i'm saying potentially you can right though for people who are interested there's something called lobes theorem which says that if you're extremely rational and you believe yourself to be rational like infallibly rational then you're automatically irrational that's called lobes theorem or lobes theorem i don't know how to pronounce that
It doesn't matter. So you can use a system to show the limits of a system. Gödel did that with some of formal systems. So you can use language to show the limits of language. And in some sense, that's what Eastern Coens are doing. I believe they're called Coens. And in some sense, that's what Donald Hoffman did with the theory of evolution is use the theory of evolution to undermine technically the theory of evolution, but technically much more than the theory of evolution to undermine everything in a sense. So you can use something to undermine it.
Right, right. So he wasn't completely off his rocker when he told me that. No, not necessarily. Not necessarily. I just don't see it as self-defeating. I mean, right. Yes, it is self-defeating, but that's we'll move on. What just kind of going back again to your what sparked your interest in in searching for hear that sound.
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I'm fairly certain my pronunciation is horrible, so yours may be correct. Mine's probably not correct. Even way worse. Yeah, mine may be way worse on an order of magnitude. What sort of background do you come from spiritually or philosophically that you began your approach into looking into theories of everything and has that changed?
I was in a Reek House at Trinity Atheist who believed that I had all the answers and would try to disprove every spiritual claim, anything that looked remotely like Wu, including this topic, just excoriate and denigrate. Think of, I was Neil deGrasse Tyson. And now I'm in a place where I consider myself to be extremely naive. So I don't consider, some people say, look, you're so open-minded, man, I'm not open-minded. Firstly, you don't know how much derision there is in my own mind that I have to stop. And second,
I would say that I am just, I am so cosmetic in all my knowledge. It's so depthless that I can't make a claim that I know that for me to say, yes, I know a certain fact would be false. And so I'm open-minded quote unquote, not from being open-minded, not from any good, but from not knowing much. And so I don't know what's true or what's not true. So I'm like, Oh, is that true? Is that true? Maybe that's true. For me to be close-minded would imply that I feel like I have an existing set of knowledge. Right, right.
It's like there's nothing to compare it to. So that's a huge transformation, right? Going from being hyper certain about your atheistic beliefs to now being so open-minded that you really can't. So there is a comparison to be made, I guess, because you do have a past cognitive map. I'm curious. I mean, just being somebody who sort of knows the comedy world a little bit,
Have you ever spoken to Ricky Gervais? No. But have you heard him speak to his beliefs on atheism? I used to listen to Carl Pilkington and Ricky Gervais quite frequently. I love Carl Pilkington, man. One of my favorite curmudgeons on the planet next to Jazz Shaw. So I heard him speak about it, but I don't recall it.
Okay, no, I was just wondering if you had any thought or if like if you could sit down with Ricky and sort of because how you I'm just finding Wonderful how you came off of an atheist sort of viewpoint when you first started this and now you've you've come off of that it seems like Yeah, well my and I'm wondering if you spoke with someone like that. Like how how do you think the conversation would go? I Want to know how he knows there's no God That's it. How do you know?
And for something that what he means, what people who are atheist mean is what they've done is they've taken, like I said, the Westboro Baptist Church or the straw man of what Catholicism is, or a straw man of religion, let's say some extremely influential person abstracted to being to a being who has created this world in the same manner that we create walls and phones.
and then that doesn't seem likely so God is unlikely then they would say well what do you mean by God well what do you mean by God it's not like yeah by the way Kierkegaard said you can't have a Christian not saying I'm a Christian but a Christian you can apply this to whatever belief faith is important so you actually can't know whether or not there's a God in order for you to be a true Christian
because you have to jump and not know whether that's there. If you say, I know there's a God, then you're not a true Christian because you have to jump and say, I don't know, but I'm going to believe anyway. Right. Because it's a matter of faith. Yeah. Well, I was, I mean, I'm more, I mean, I'm more of an agnostic, but I think the way, one of the beautiful things I thought Ricky explains sort of his belief system was, well, you know,
What happens after you die? Where do you go? And he's like, well, it's probably the same place that you were before you were born. You don't remember what was going on before you were born. It was black. It was nothing. You, you didn't exist. And then you come into life. And then I think the exact same thing happens when you pass, you go right back to that spot. And I was like, Oh God, I agree with that. And I hate it because I feel like for me, at least anyway, God is in the details of the things that you do.
So then Ricky may say, well, why are you calling that God? Why not just those are the actions you take? Why are you anonymizing actions with God or beliefs?
I love the saying, there's no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole because I believe when you're staring death in the face, I don't care who you are, I think you're going to start praying to something and I think that's just an innate human thing that you automatically go to.
you know, when I say in the details, I mean, like even the little things, how you wash the dishes, how you, you know, there's God in that there, there is God in every single movement that you make, whether it's not so much that I believe it's something that controls me as opposed to something that I'm living. Great, great. Yeah. So, I mean, that would be my answer to that.
Yeah, God as a process rather than a noun, or sorry, rather than a thing, God as a process. What I would say to Ricky about that is that, he said, it's like what you were like before you were born. So firstly, I would say, so let's say you're a scientist. Okay, let's say you consider yourself to be a rationalist, that is. Then what evidence is there that there is any other consciousness except your own? Okay, so then I would be interested to hear his answer to that. He would just have to make appeals to it's like so-and-so. Yeah, but you're assuming what you're trying to prove.
Okay, so then you technically should be a solipsist if you're a true rationalist. Descartes is like, I think therefore I am, not you. Doesn't have anything to do with you, right? Okay, so now you have solipsism. Okay, so now that you have solipsism, you have no evidence of what it's like, you have no evidence that death occurs. Because you have no evidence that there are conscious consciousnesses outside of your own that have ceased. Because nothing else, you can't describe consciousness to it. So you can't even say that there exists something that died.
So you don't even know what it means to die. You don't have a concept of death, of the ceasing of your consciousness. That's what I would say to him.
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Yeah, you ever heard of the idea of quantum immortality, which is kind of like that, you know, maybe we do live forever, we just don't realize it, right?
Yeah, yeah. If I could do a quick plug, I have a podcast on that with this lady, Mathuna, who has a channel on physics called Looking Glass Universe. They're quick, short animations of physics. And I did an interview with her on that. She doesn't like quantum immortality, though I don't see how if one believes in the many worlds interpretation, which she does, at least she likes it. And she finds it to be the most plausible how one can't believe in quantum immortality.
Though, as I say this right now, I forgot the argument of how it goes. So I don't remember exactly how one goes from many worlds to quantum immortality. I think it's kind of like, you know, many worlds, there's, you know, at every point where you could die, there'd be a branch of a many world where you don't die and one where you where you do die. Presumably, maybe we're just living on that trail that you continue to live on.
It reminds me, you brought up religion earlier, or actually Lou brought up Gervais and atheism and you were making the idea or you're constructing the idea that in a religion, people automatically go, oh, well, I don't believe in God because I don't believe in a man in the sky and your religion teaches that God is a man in the sky.
And we were actually just discussing this the other day in one of the logical fallacies that were brought up. It's called the fallacy fallacy and it's assuming you are correct in your interpretation because something within a particular argument is false. And so now you've deemed that entire argument false just because there's a fallacy in that argument. Interesting. Yeah.
I love this shit. What are your thoughts? Thank you for accommodating for the one hour earlier. Oh yeah. Hey, the beautiful thing about this shows we're not CNN or ABC, man. You know, you have many people to coordinate this with and I appreciate that all of you said yes, unless you all live in the same place. No, we don't. I'm in California. The Kristen and Mike are in Florida, Rathers in Washington.
Thank you for hosting me and thank you for switching it up at the last moment.
I've got to ask you about this because this show is called the Singularity Lab. It's very much about futurism. It's very much about breaking tech and this sort of thing, but we're also fascinated by consciousness and all of these sorts of topics.
One of the things that I wanted to ask you about is have you done any thinking about the technological singularity or this idea of a technological singularity where life is transformed in a way that is completely unpredictable by technological growth? Do you see this as a real possibility or do you think it's sort of fashioned out of, you know, theoretical futurism and just kind of a fun idea?
It seems like we're already at the stage where life is unpredictable because of our technology and life was unpredictable before. By the way, so did we talk about Metta? Yes, I'm leaving Facebook, right? Yes, Metta, yes. Okay. Well, are you referring to the simulation hypothesis? That's where he wants to go. He wants to move us towards the Metaverse. Are you referring to the simulation hypothesis?
No, well, so, so no, but I am interested in your take on the simulation hypothesis as well. But I was more asking about the technological singularity if you think that is a something we should actually be considering in, you know, kind of like transhumanism. I see. Yeah, yeah. When I was younger, I was obsessed with the singularity. Oh, were you? Yeah, I loved Ray Kurzweil. I still do. I just don't research him.
But I would love to speak with the man. Yeah, he's still alive. I think he's like 75 or something. Hear that sound.
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What do you think of his argument?
I wasn't necessarily, but I'm also curious about your thoughts.
So I don't have many thoughts on mind uploading, other than it's not to me obvious that it's possible just because it would have to be much more complicated than you mimic each neuron. It has to be much, much more complicated. So first of all, there's not just neurons, there's glial cells, there's not just transmitters, there's modulators, and there's also not just some neuro bioelectricity, there's non neuro bioelectric signals, which were just discovered, and they have
Not just discovered, sorry. They're just coming to prominence. So I have an interview with someone named Michael Levin on that. You can use non-neuro- bioelectric signals in the body. So like voltage gradients, you can look at someone. I'll give an example. If you look at a cell, sorry, not a cell, a planaria, so a flatworm, you look at a flatworm and then a flatworm you can cut, apparently you can cut into 200 pieces and it will survive and just multiply. It'll grow a new head and a tail. So the question is, if they look the same exact molecularly, almost atom for atom,
it's technically not true but almost atom for atom they're the same these two pieces how does it know where to put a head and where to put the tail sorry it doesn't matter if you have two pieces how does it know which one is the head and which one's the tail right it's been a mystery for a while turns out if you look at it not with the microscope but with voltage with a dye that shows you the voltage you can see there's a there's a voltage gradient so let's say it's more red here more blue here signaling it has higher voltage here than here compared to here then where it's higher voltage
The head will grow and the tail grows. So then he thought, Michael Levin thought, what if I manipulated that and put a high voltage here and a high voltage here? So in the middle, it's low voltage. Two heads grow. Wow. Okay. Then not only that, if you cut that two heads will continue to grow. Okay. Then there's, there's so much about this new field of non neuro bioelectric engineering that it's absolutely fascinating. So regeneration of limbs for humans is one potential cancer cell. So if you look at a,
an organism electrically it's technically with voltage but let's say electrically before there's a cancerous cell there's a spot an isolated spot of aberrant voltage let's say so it looks green but that's before there's been some cell degradation and he thought well okay so what if i took healthy cells and it created that same spot he created cancer okay what if i take a cancerous cell i look at it with the gradient and i see that that's there
So what if i take a cancerous cell and i just reverse the gradient so it looks normal no cancer develops so there may be a way of detecting cancer all of this is to say for neurons there's neuro bioelectric
activity. But then, and we thought that this was all there was for quite some time. Well, it seems like there's non neuro bioelectric activity and who knows what else there is. Maybe there's 10 other systems. So whatever it is, if for mind uploading, if it's just mimicking the brain, it doesn't seem like it's, it may not be that you can just mimic. I don't know. In other words, it's complicated. Right. But it's fascinating because this idea that you can manipulate these with these other systems,
It's interesting because maybe you don't need a mind upload. Maybe we could actually create immortality within our biological selves. Yeah.
Rather, you got something and you're just excited. Both, really. But I mean, I've always kind of thought that too, when you talk about biological systems versus mechanical systems, the biological systems seem to be much more resilient, reliable, and just much more superior. So I kind of wonder, as technology progresses, maybe bioengineering is going to kind of supplant the technology
engineering and tying this back into aliens, the topic of the show, maybe that's kind of what some of these things are advanced bio engineered things and technology, as we know, it might be kind of a dead end. Curious to hear what you thought on that. Hey, Kurt, do you think these craft are organisms themselves? I don't know. Maybe I don't think so. It doesn't seem like that to me, but it could be. Yeah, no, it's interesting.
Red Panda Koala wants to know, after his dive into UFOs, what does Kurt think is going on with UFOs? What are they? Why are they here? Any theories? Is this a topic you've recently got into, right? It's not something you've been into for a while, right? No, just the past few months or so. I think about a year ago, almost a year ago, I interviewed Jeremy Korbel. And that was because I spoke to a friend who said that there is something to this UFO topic. And I thought, well,
Let me look at the videos that he was sending me. Let me just give him the benefit of the doubt. I mean, let me just, what's the word when you entertain someone? I think it's just entertain. Let me entertain. Oh, humor them. Let me humor them. Humor them. Yes. Yes. Right. Let me humor them. So I watched that and then I was thinking, wow, there's probably something here and not probably there seems to be something here. Who knows? Then I thought I'm a filmmaker. Let me interview Jeremy Corbell. And he said, yes.
somehow. And then I was, oh, that's interesting. So then I spoke to Kevin Knuth, because he was into physics, and I'm extremely into physics. So I did that. And it just kept seeming like there's more and more to this. And it still seems like that this red panda koala, who, by the way, has a wonderful documentary on Tom DeLong, I've learned almost everything about Tom DeLong from that.
He's asking what do I think of UFOs? I make an analogy that it's much like I thought that I was looking at a painting and then what it was was someone started shuffling me through the the Louvre and there's tens of thousands of paintings and someone's like well what did you think and well I don't know man I just see some patterns I can't I can't recall a single image. I saw paint!
But it's such, and it's like, Oh, by the way, that was just one art gallery. There are many. So let's say I just started on the rabbit hole and what I've already started on is immense. So I can't, I don't have my thoughts put together. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm, I get, sometimes I get heat because I'm so agnostic, uh, about this issue because I just, I mean, I don't know. And then, you know, people who are like, well, I'm experienced or I know. And I'm like, I hear you and I respect you, but I don't know. Like, yeah.
That's okay, right? It tends to be okay. And I'm not purposely being equivocal for some reason to pretend that I'm open minded. I just don't know. Like I mentioned, I'm a fool in so many respects. I do think that if I was to take a rock and throw it at a UFO, provided the UFO would allow it, that it would make a sound, it would hit it. So I think it's something physical. I don't think it's lens flares. Right, right.
Because obviously there's so many, you know, and also, what do you think about, I know you got you got to go, don't you? All right, let me let me ask you, what do you think about, like, what do you think about what people are capable of, like,
I'm trying to formulate this question. So we live in a world where it's nearly impossible to know the truth about anything, right? Because you have deep fakes, you have so much bias in every form of media.
Do you think that's a problem? Like we're facing an existential crisis in humanity because, you know, even in our historical past, even if we were wrong, we could still all at least believe the same things or be on the same page even. Do you think there's a sort of existential crisis happening with humanity in that nobody trusts anything or anyone? That's a great question.
I don't know. I don't think that the mistrust would be because of deep fakes. Because it doesn't sound like there's any political discourse where the primary question is, is this video real or not? Except when it comes to the UFO topic. And even when it comes to the UFO topic, it's not like you need to go as far as deep fakes in order to fake a video. You could have done that five years ago with After Effects. Right. Or with some like a string in some object and just shoot it from far away. We do seem more and more mistrustful.
Yeah. It's going in a weird direction, man, for another show. I can stay up for another 15 minutes if that's all right. That's fantastic. All right. So we'll get back to Alex Garcia's question because he's going to be mad if we don't ask it. I can't get back to it because I already passed it in the thing. But the question was, I can look it up in the show. What do you think of reincarnation? There are children that remember past lives. Yeah, I don't know what to make of that.
There you go, Alex. Also, how do you run? Okay. Well, I would just want to know how do you validate that? That's it. Right. Yeah. Have you looked into it? Like I know Leslie Kane published a book with, you know, documented a bunch of cases, which is interesting, but maybe, yeah, I don't know. I have mixed feelings. I will be looking into near death experiences and reincarnation in mid to Q2, Q2 to Q3 of 2022. Okay.
I love that you have that scheduled. It's mentally noted. I have Dean Raden confirmed if you know who Dean Raden is, but I haven't booked the date. Dean Raden studies near-death experiences.
499 donation, do you believe the discovery of life in the universe via JWST or perseverance will open up the possibility to the scientific community of UAP visiting?
If there is life, no, because see the tricky part is that when there's such a small amount of data, you can use it to justify almost any stance. So I can use the fact that we have life on some other planet as evidence that life isn't visiting us because we have another data point that suggests that life isn't visiting us yet life exists.
so it's evidence of the opposite one can say that that's why i don't particularly like when people say i just follow the evidence no you don't it's actually extremely difficult to just follow the evidence and also if you did you'd be able to act because you'd have to consciously it doesn't matter that's well no that's a really good point and this is what we talk about that's why i bring up cognitive bias and logical fallacy all the time because
Your brain has to process data in a way that leaves out evidence intentionally so you can literally take actions throughout the day. If you didn't have cognitive bias or logical fallacy, you wouldn't be able to fucking get out of bed. You wouldn't be able to perceive. Right.
I think it may be a breadcrumb. Not Easter egg, breadcrumb.
John Music asks, as Mr. Milburn and many others said, disclosure and UAP tech probably too dangerous to let out. So what's our backup plan if the government decides to completely shut down the disclosure movement? What would be next? Y'all are coming with some rough questions today. That's hard.
Who do you think we are? Who do you think Kurt is? Kurt is the guy who's got to answer these questions. I don't know where to begin. I don't know. I guess kind of a follow up. Do you think that information is going to come through the government or do you think that maybe, you know, the scientific things like the Galileo project might be where we could potentially get answers?
I think it'll be the government. That's my hunch. Really? I thought I might, I might've thought you'd be a scientific, uh, you think more of like an avi lobe or somebody might, as far as I know, they're looking for technological signatures. That's quite far away. It's not as if they're watching our skies and it seems like the government, I believe they are though. Abby is Abby's looking for you on earth now.
Yeah, I should send you, you'd love, you'd love Avi. He'd be a great interview for theory. I spoke to him and he was excited because he said, I asked him about Bob Lazar and he didn't like Bob Lazar or didn't like Bob Lazar's claims. He was saying, yeah, if Bob Lazar actually knew how to make a UFO, he should build the UFO. Well, Bob Lazar never said he knew how to make a UFO. He just said he doesn't know how it works at all. And then people were saying, Avi, how are you complaining that people aren't taking you seriously? And then you do the same to Bob Lazar.
Which was true. I didn't say that in the interview, luckily many comments said that for me. I mean, he does, he kind of does paint himself in a corner sometimes with this because I also asked him, I was like, you know, the whole reason why the Galileo project exists is because of the information that the Navy and Pentagon and our government released. That's why he started it.
And so then he, he starts the project and then turns around and says, yeah, we're not relying on the government for information. Wait a second. You're telling me if they come out with more data that you can use in your equations or in your math or in your, your, your theories, you're not going to listen to it because it's coming from the government. It's. I want to know.
Oh, my goodness. Um, we have kind of also dismisses ideas of we didn't really dismiss, but he doesn't really think that it's a credible theory of things like Alcubia drives and warp drive, which I think are kind of on that weird fringe of scientifically possible, but still a long shot.
Kind of wonder where you stand on that. I don't know. So there are certain solutions to what are called Einstein equations. When people talk about general relativity, they're referring to the Einstein equations. Well, Einstein equations are part of general relativity. And as far as I know, in order to have some faster than light travel or wormholes and so on, one needs negative mass. So I haven't looked into it much. Elusive negative energy and mass. Maybe.
One thing I've sent you and I saw when you talked to Ross Coulthard and that was an awesome conversation. You guys got to this political part of the discussion where you asked what is the best thing that someone can do to try and get some more information and it was to politically activate themselves to write
their local and state Senator to contact the representatives and, and politely demand because you are a taxpayer, you have a right to ask for this stuff. And so I wanted to just, you know, let you know that, I mean, that's what we've done. We we've done, uh, you know, I know you didn't have, you thought that there wasn't a place for you in our, in our last event, you know, cause you were confused. Well, what would I be doing there? And it's just like,
It's your presence. When I say this community, I mean the UFO community, is they latch on to folks like you because it gives them a feeling of legitimacy. This really smart, intelligent person is giving us some validation and we want to make sure that, hey, we really like you.
and to elevate this discussion past that community is sort of my goal into getting everyday people to call their local state congressmen. So we've provided templates, we've provided things that they can print out and send that have been written by some of the best researchers and investigators in the field. And we actively try to get, especially the people who are curious on this topic,
to reach out and activate themselves and call and write and tweet. What do you feel about that? Do you think that's a good idea or is that a waste of time?
I wouldn't say that I... My whole way of life is completely decided in your hands. If this is a bad answer, I may go in the garage and turn on the car. I personally wouldn't say that I helped legitimize it. That's a wonderful compliment. I don't know if I do. And as for writing, what I'm wondering, so I have a channel called toe clippings, which are the clips of the larger toe channel.
That's great. And then I just registered pinky toe, but I don't know what to do with that. I just registered it just because why not? Playing with the words, right? And I thought, why not do live streams there? So if I do live streams, like just some not professional live streams, forget about the lights in the back and just do it without even announcing. If I'm going to do that, then perhaps I'll have you on and then we can just live write some people and tweet and so on.
Yeah, that's essentially what we did for, no, no, no, I'm not going to hold you to it, but what I'll, I won't hold you to anything. I'll just politely request. That's essentially what we did for eight hours for three days straight is we talked to you. Okay. I just ran for the door. No, we, we had guests come on every hour and talk to us. So we had like Louis Zondo. We had,
you know, Ross Coulthart, Danny Sheehan, all of the people who people look to in this conversation for
an intelligent viewpoint for just to talk about the subject as we're asking people to activate themselves. We're tweeting at Senators Live to see if we could get them to come on and talk to us about the topic. Which we did get one to come on, which is dope. Tim Burchett out of Tennessee. We're doing it live because obviously this is the future. This idea of interacting with your fans and motivating people and starting literal movements through YouTube
Um, and, and like, cause when I do an interview with Louis Elizondo, six, 700 people are in there. You do a little interview with Louis Elizondo. There's seven, eight, 12,000 people in there live. And that's a, that's a much bigger spear than what I could provide. So the read, the whole purpose of getting all of these intelligent people to come on the same day and, and, and, um,
Motivate their fans and their following to say hey look, I know this sounds silly I know this is sounds crazy, but this is important There's something there and we as taxpayers have the right to get some more information
And when these voices come together, people get interested. It is a movement. This is Lou's long way of asking if you'll be on the next Big Time Home. Yeah, essentially. Come hang out with us for an hour or so and try to motivate folks, at least if you feel that's a valid pursuit.
You know, if you in your gut are like, yeah, that sounds great, then go for it. I don't want to be pressuring anybody in anything. I want you to actually want to do it. But again, you've just gone through the Louvre in a split second and there's more information you need. So I'm willing to wait and let you take your time to go through all the galleries and sort of come to a determination on whether or not this is valid. You hold Louvre's life in your hands.
I'm just thinking it's so interesting to see the different methods and the different viewpoints on this. That's what you expressed. I don't share. It's not that I don't want to do it. No, no, no, no, Lou. Hey, don't worry. Look, look, my mind doesn't think like yours. Yeah, my mind
My mind thinks more in terms of questions and questions about what's fundamental. The idea to get on a panel and to write wouldn't occur to me. I'm not saying it's not beneficial. I'm not saying no either. I'm just saying it's so when you're speaking, all I'm doing is analyzing the different ways that one can analyze this issue. And I'm seeing how mine, how yours is different than mine. And I just found that interesting because they never, I never noticed that in real time. So I'm not saying no, this is a non-answer, just saying.
Look, look, we, I love this topic, right? But especially since I've started the channel and Michael and we've gone through these events and we've done these things and we've had great times and it's a gathering. It's almost like a music festival. Uh, it's almost like live aid, right? Like we're doing this for a cause. We're bringing in all of these cool names and all of these cool people to talk about a topic that's a little weird, but at the same time, hopefully motivate folks to actually
take a step in, and not only requesting stuff from their senators and local congressmen, but you could take this formula and apply it to whatever you feel is important to you. You know, civil rights movement, Black Lives Matter, the border crisis, you could take this formula and contact your reps with it. Just sub the topic UFOs for Black Lives Matter and boom, you're an activist. It's just showing people how to engage
the government, their, their government, because I think that's an important thing that people have lost the art of doing. And, uh, my particular, you know, passion to contact the government is this topic, but if you're, if your passion is anything, you could again use the formula. And so that's sort of the idea behind it. Um, but with that said, you know, like if this turns out tomorrow to be,
military tech and very explainable mundane down to earth things. I'm okay with that. I'm not going to like my life doesn't end. I'm an actor. I live out here in Los Angeles. There's other things we could do. And even if it does turn out to be us tech, holy cow, that's still really interesting to talk about and dive into and try to figure out, Oh my God, how did humans get to this? What's the process? There's, there's a lot to unpack there. Um, but, uh, but you know, either way, I guess that's how I feel about it.
Lou send me the email again, if you don't mind, if I said no before or I didn't respond, I apologize. No, no, I think it was, I know you do. And I think it was kind of what you just did now where you're just like, let me postulate this, you know, like I, I, I don't know, like I understand how you could say to yourself, yeah, I don't know how I fit in this.
And that's cool. It's less that I'm thinking about my role. I don't think about my role at all. I don't even say that to me sounds presumptuous that I may even have a role. I just think in terms of I like mysteries, and I'm trying to solve a puzzle. And I like playing with ideas. And that's my it's just interesting to me to see someone else's to see how someone else thinks I found that extremely interesting.
I always find it interesting how Luis thinks. It's bizarre. Yeah, it's out there. Let me tell you. Kurt, you've been such a gentleman with your time. Thank you so much. I know you got to get out of here and I know you have some sleep to get. Hopefully I can get some sleep. I don't know if you know, but I have sad lamps here, so it's seasonal affective disorder. Not that I have that. It's just they're bright, so they're great for the podcast. That's one of the reasons if anyone is watching. Sorry to cut you off, Michael. No, go ahead. I just wanted to explain this quickly.
If I seemed extremely, eccentrically silly and at a loss for words, it's because I got so little sleep and I was so frustrated. I think I emailed you. I don't know if I angrily emailed you or what. I didn't mean to be, but I was frustrated at myself. So absolutely frustrated that I couldn't sleep. It's so horrible. It's horrible.
Horrible feeling man to be so edge and what I took was CBD oil plenty of it I took melatonin magnesium and b6 all Hours before it was supposed about supposed to sleep in order to ensure that I could rest for today three podcasts I had today had to cancel one of them the other ones the worst podcasts I've ever done I'm sure but anyway, I wanted to make sure that I
When I end, I end somewhat early because these keep me up. Right. Right. Well, can you please tell people again, thank you so much. And it wasn't an angry email and I didn't take any offense to it. I was like, dude, I'm sorry if I expressed frustration and frustration at myself. No, yeah, not at all. Um, what you should do is put on Ross cold hearts, audio book, uh, in plain sight and just go to the, go to sleep with that melodic ringing endorsements, heartthrob, you know, in your ears. It's delicious to fall asleep to.
Kurt, where can people find you if they want to check out your podcast? So if people are interested in learning more about what I've talked about, which is theoretical physics, consciousness, free will and God. And by the way, I mentioned this in one hour from now, there's an AMA with myself premiering. So you can watch that live. Sorry, not live. It's premiering. There's a difference on YouTube. Right. At the theories of everything channel. So just type in theories of everything and
I believe you'll find something that looks like the Reese's Pieces logo. That's what people say. Click on that and you'll find some of the videos that I referenced. And we've also got Kurt's link to his theories of everything YouTube channel in the description below. So you can just click that and you can find them right away.
Kurt, what a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us today. I really enjoyed it. And people were commenting. They're like, I think Kristen's going to lose Michael to Kurt the way he's smiling over there. So we really appreciated you joining us today. And we'll talk to you soon. Thank you, Kristen. Thank you, Rather. Thank you, Michael. Thank you, Louis. Thanks, brother. We'll talk to you soon. Bye bye. Wow, that guy's awesome.
That was great. I thought for sure, I was like listening to you guys, listening to them speak. I'm like, okay, I'm not going to get any questions in here. I think I'm good. These guys have all the great questions. This is wonderful, but it was, it was, I always find it insanely intimidating when someone with that high of an IQ and is that smart. I mean, he's, he really thinks about everything that he's about to say.
And I'm in awe of that. It's almost like a supercomputer. It's like, wow, what is this possible? Hold please, computing. Yeah. And the equation that he comes out with every time is like, wow, that's wonderful. You know, it's wonderful. Thoughtful, intelligent, measured responses. It's the complete opposite of us.
It's no wonder why he has a hundred thousand followers in between me and Michael we've got about seven It's so it's so cool man, and it's no wonder why he's got the following that he has and why people love to hear him speak I'm sure he's super hard on himself. I'd love to see his scripts because I'm sure they're not as bad as he thinks and
And I bet if he wanted to write a script today and get into a couple executives offices, he probably could. It wouldn't be a problem for him because he's got the bona fides, man. And you never know where stuff leads. Like when I launched my first podcast in 2014,
I was terrified to do that but I did it and then something happened from that and that led me to try to figure out how to start my own business online and then I learned Facebook advertising and here I am
I'm going to join your stupid call-a-thon.
I was like, Lou, this is a really long pitch, bro. I was about to text you. I was about to text you. I was like, dude, get to the fucking point. It really seemed like he was just thinking of a diplomatic way to say no. But you know, I was like, how do you, I guess I need to come up with an elevator pitch for the big phone. What can I say?
Right. You need the 15 second version. I need the 15 second version. Uh, but yeah, I mean again, but I'm sure you know, he doesn't mean this and it's probably crazy for him to even hear, but it's intimidating talking to someone like, like sometimes I do, I'm like, Oh man, how am I going to articulate myself where this makes sense? And this is probably why I've never actually sold a bill, a film or a movie ever in my life. Cause I can't get the pitch right.
The podcast is now finished. If you'd like to support conversations like this, then do consider going to patreon.com slash C-U-R-T-J-A-I-M-U-N-G-A-L. That is Kurt Jaimungal. It's support from the patrons and from the sponsors that allow me to do this full time. Every dollar helps tremendously. Thank you.
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"text": " Could be the same answer. I mean, it could lead to the same answer. That's a great answer, man. See, Ian McGilchrist, let's talk about that. But what he was saying, he wasn't saying I was going to bring this up to him. So I was getting confused there is that some people think that reality is fractal like and that the more you zoom in, the more you reflect the whole. And if that's the case, then we can explore any field to its ultimate conclusion and get an answer to all the rest of the fields."
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"text": " Not as a force, but quantifying consciousness is what the integrated information theory does by Tononi. So you can look that up. I believe he calls it PHI, P-H-I. Making a note of that. Aaron Desario asks for the $50 Uber chat. Thank you so much, Aaron. Love to Kurt. Sorry to interrupt. I just want to quickly add to that before I forget. Anesthetologists, I can't pronounce that word. People who anesthetize. Wait a second. There's a word you can't pronounce. I don't believe this, Kurt."
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"text": " By the way, that Aaron person mentioned he demonstrated some quality that I don't think the UFO community, a large test is going to come. So let's imagine the UFO phenomenon proves to be real in some manner, proves to be real, or at least I don't like the word proof, but you understand. Yeah. I don't think the UFO community is going to get any credit for being the augers of this. I don't think augers get credit"
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"text": " I'm losing it. Okay, cool. I need to look into that. I'll send you some links to his stuff. You'll really enjoy it. Okay. Man, great conversation. Again, really appreciate you being here, Kurt. It's fantastic. Yeah, no problem. I wonder, are you inundated? Like you get people giving you theories of everything that they want you to research all the time?"
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"text": " Fantastic. So one of the things that you study is high energy physics. You have a particular interest in high energy physics. Can you share what that is? Yeah, what the general public thinks of as theoretical physics is high energy physics. Theoretical physics is much larger than that because there's condensed matter physics and so on. But what you think of as particles accelerating and so on, that's high energy physics. And when one says one wants to unify gravity with quantum mechanics, you have to have high energy physics"
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"text": " I was in a Reek House at Trinity Atheist who believed that I had all the answers and would try to disprove every spiritual claim, anything that looked remotely like Wu, including this topic, just excoriate and denigrate. Think of, I was Neil deGrasse Tyson. And now I'm in a place where I consider myself to be extremely naive. So I don't consider, some people say, look, you're so open-minded, man, I'm not open-minded. Firstly, you don't know how much derision there is in my own mind that I have to stop. And second,"
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"text": " So I don't have many thoughts on mind uploading, other than it's not to me obvious that it's possible just because it would have to be much more complicated than you mimic each neuron. It has to be much, much more complicated. So first of all, there's not just neurons, there's glial cells, there's not just transmitters, there's modulators, and there's also not just some neuro bioelectricity, there's non neuro bioelectric signals, which were just discovered, and they have"
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"text": " Not just discovered, sorry. They're just coming to prominence. So I have an interview with someone named Michael Levin on that. You can use non-neuro- bioelectric signals in the body. So like voltage gradients, you can look at someone. I'll give an example. If you look at a cell, sorry, not a cell, a planaria, so a flatworm, you look at a flatworm and then a flatworm you can cut, apparently you can cut into 200 pieces and it will survive and just multiply. It'll grow a new head and a tail. So the question is, if they look the same exact molecularly, almost atom for atom,"
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"text": " I don't know. I don't think that the mistrust would be because of deep fakes. Because it doesn't sound like there's any political discourse where the primary question is, is this video real or not? Except when it comes to the UFO topic. And even when it comes to the UFO topic, it's not like you need to go as far as deep fakes in order to fake a video. You could have done that five years ago with After Effects. Right. Or with some like a string in some object and just shoot it from far away. We do seem more and more mistrustful."
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"text": " Yeah. It's going in a weird direction, man, for another show. I can stay up for another 15 minutes if that's all right. That's fantastic. All right. So we'll get back to Alex Garcia's question because he's going to be mad if we don't ask it. I can't get back to it because I already passed it in the thing. But the question was, I can look it up in the show. What do you think of reincarnation? There are children that remember past lives. Yeah, I don't know what to make of that."
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"text": " If there is life, no, because see the tricky part is that when there's such a small amount of data, you can use it to justify almost any stance. So I can use the fact that we have life on some other planet as evidence that life isn't visiting us because we have another data point that suggests that life isn't visiting us yet life exists."
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"text": " so it's evidence of the opposite one can say that that's why i don't particularly like when people say i just follow the evidence no you don't it's actually extremely difficult to just follow the evidence and also if you did you'd be able to act because you'd have to consciously it doesn't matter that's well no that's a really good point and this is what we talk about that's why i bring up cognitive bias and logical fallacy all the time because"
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"text": " Your brain has to process data in a way that leaves out evidence intentionally so you can literally take actions throughout the day. If you didn't have cognitive bias or logical fallacy, you wouldn't be able to fucking get out of bed. You wouldn't be able to perceive. Right."
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"text": " John Music asks, as Mr. Milburn and many others said, disclosure and UAP tech probably too dangerous to let out. So what's our backup plan if the government decides to completely shut down the disclosure movement? What would be next? Y'all are coming with some rough questions today. That's hard."
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"text": " Who do you think we are? Who do you think Kurt is? Kurt is the guy who's got to answer these questions. I don't know where to begin. I don't know. I guess kind of a follow up. Do you think that information is going to come through the government or do you think that maybe, you know, the scientific things like the Galileo project might be where we could potentially get answers?"
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"text": " I think it'll be the government. That's my hunch. Really? I thought I might, I might've thought you'd be a scientific, uh, you think more of like an avi lobe or somebody might, as far as I know, they're looking for technological signatures. That's quite far away. It's not as if they're watching our skies and it seems like the government, I believe they are though. Abby is Abby's looking for you on earth now."
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"text": " Yeah, I should send you, you'd love, you'd love Avi. He'd be a great interview for theory. I spoke to him and he was excited because he said, I asked him about Bob Lazar and he didn't like Bob Lazar or didn't like Bob Lazar's claims. He was saying, yeah, if Bob Lazar actually knew how to make a UFO, he should build the UFO. Well, Bob Lazar never said he knew how to make a UFO. He just said he doesn't know how it works at all. And then people were saying, Avi, how are you complaining that people aren't taking you seriously? And then you do the same to Bob Lazar."
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"text": " Which was true. I didn't say that in the interview, luckily many comments said that for me. I mean, he does, he kind of does paint himself in a corner sometimes with this because I also asked him, I was like, you know, the whole reason why the Galileo project exists is because of the information that the Navy and Pentagon and our government released. That's why he started it."
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"text": " And so then he, he starts the project and then turns around and says, yeah, we're not relying on the government for information. Wait a second. You're telling me if they come out with more data that you can use in your equations or in your math or in your, your, your theories, you're not going to listen to it because it's coming from the government. It's. I want to know."
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"text": " Oh, my goodness. Um, we have kind of also dismisses ideas of we didn't really dismiss, but he doesn't really think that it's a credible theory of things like Alcubia drives and warp drive, which I think are kind of on that weird fringe of scientifically possible, but still a long shot."
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"text": " Kind of wonder where you stand on that. I don't know. So there are certain solutions to what are called Einstein equations. When people talk about general relativity, they're referring to the Einstein equations. Well, Einstein equations are part of general relativity. And as far as I know, in order to have some faster than light travel or wormholes and so on, one needs negative mass. So I haven't looked into it much. Elusive negative energy and mass. Maybe."
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"text": " One thing I've sent you and I saw when you talked to Ross Coulthard and that was an awesome conversation. You guys got to this political part of the discussion where you asked what is the best thing that someone can do to try and get some more information and it was to politically activate themselves to write"
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"text": " their local and state Senator to contact the representatives and, and politely demand because you are a taxpayer, you have a right to ask for this stuff. And so I wanted to just, you know, let you know that, I mean, that's what we've done. We we've done, uh, you know, I know you didn't have, you thought that there wasn't a place for you in our, in our last event, you know, cause you were confused. Well, what would I be doing there? And it's just like,"
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"text": " It's your presence. When I say this community, I mean the UFO community, is they latch on to folks like you because it gives them a feeling of legitimacy. This really smart, intelligent person is giving us some validation and we want to make sure that, hey, we really like you."
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"text": " and to elevate this discussion past that community is sort of my goal into getting everyday people to call their local state congressmen. So we've provided templates, we've provided things that they can print out and send that have been written by some of the best researchers and investigators in the field. And we actively try to get, especially the people who are curious on this topic,"
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"text": " to reach out and activate themselves and call and write and tweet. What do you feel about that? Do you think that's a good idea or is that a waste of time?"
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"text": " I wouldn't say that I... My whole way of life is completely decided in your hands. If this is a bad answer, I may go in the garage and turn on the car. I personally wouldn't say that I helped legitimize it. That's a wonderful compliment. I don't know if I do. And as for writing, what I'm wondering, so I have a channel called toe clippings, which are the clips of the larger toe channel."
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"text": " That's great. And then I just registered pinky toe, but I don't know what to do with that. I just registered it just because why not? Playing with the words, right? And I thought, why not do live streams there? So if I do live streams, like just some not professional live streams, forget about the lights in the back and just do it without even announcing. If I'm going to do that, then perhaps I'll have you on and then we can just live write some people and tweet and so on."
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"text": " Yeah, that's essentially what we did for, no, no, no, I'm not going to hold you to it, but what I'll, I won't hold you to anything. I'll just politely request. That's essentially what we did for eight hours for three days straight is we talked to you. Okay. I just ran for the door. No, we, we had guests come on every hour and talk to us. So we had like Louis Zondo. We had,"
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"text": " you know, Ross Coulthart, Danny Sheehan, all of the people who people look to in this conversation for"
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"text": " an intelligent viewpoint for just to talk about the subject as we're asking people to activate themselves. We're tweeting at Senators Live to see if we could get them to come on and talk to us about the topic. Which we did get one to come on, which is dope. Tim Burchett out of Tennessee. We're doing it live because obviously this is the future. This idea of interacting with your fans and motivating people and starting literal movements through YouTube"
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"text": " Um, and, and like, cause when I do an interview with Louis Elizondo, six, 700 people are in there. You do a little interview with Louis Elizondo. There's seven, eight, 12,000 people in there live. And that's a, that's a much bigger spear than what I could provide. So the read, the whole purpose of getting all of these intelligent people to come on the same day and, and, and, um,"
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"text": " Motivate their fans and their following to say hey look, I know this sounds silly I know this is sounds crazy, but this is important There's something there and we as taxpayers have the right to get some more information"
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"text": " And when these voices come together, people get interested. It is a movement. This is Lou's long way of asking if you'll be on the next Big Time Home. Yeah, essentially. Come hang out with us for an hour or so and try to motivate folks, at least if you feel that's a valid pursuit."
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"text": " You know, if you in your gut are like, yeah, that sounds great, then go for it. I don't want to be pressuring anybody in anything. I want you to actually want to do it. But again, you've just gone through the Louvre in a split second and there's more information you need. So I'm willing to wait and let you take your time to go through all the galleries and sort of come to a determination on whether or not this is valid. You hold Louvre's life in your hands."
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"text": " I'm just thinking it's so interesting to see the different methods and the different viewpoints on this. That's what you expressed. I don't share. It's not that I don't want to do it. No, no, no, no, Lou. Hey, don't worry. Look, look, my mind doesn't think like yours. Yeah, my mind"
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"text": " My mind thinks more in terms of questions and questions about what's fundamental. The idea to get on a panel and to write wouldn't occur to me. I'm not saying it's not beneficial. I'm not saying no either. I'm just saying it's so when you're speaking, all I'm doing is analyzing the different ways that one can analyze this issue. And I'm seeing how mine, how yours is different than mine. And I just found that interesting because they never, I never noticed that in real time. So I'm not saying no, this is a non-answer, just saying."
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"text": " Look, look, we, I love this topic, right? But especially since I've started the channel and Michael and we've gone through these events and we've done these things and we've had great times and it's a gathering. It's almost like a music festival. Uh, it's almost like live aid, right? Like we're doing this for a cause. We're bringing in all of these cool names and all of these cool people to talk about a topic that's a little weird, but at the same time, hopefully motivate folks to actually"
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"text": " take a step in, and not only requesting stuff from their senators and local congressmen, but you could take this formula and apply it to whatever you feel is important to you. You know, civil rights movement, Black Lives Matter, the border crisis, you could take this formula and contact your reps with it. Just sub the topic UFOs for Black Lives Matter and boom, you're an activist. It's just showing people how to engage"
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"text": " the government, their, their government, because I think that's an important thing that people have lost the art of doing. And, uh, my particular, you know, passion to contact the government is this topic, but if you're, if your passion is anything, you could again use the formula. And so that's sort of the idea behind it. Um, but with that said, you know, like if this turns out tomorrow to be,"
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"text": " military tech and very explainable mundane down to earth things. I'm okay with that. I'm not going to like my life doesn't end. I'm an actor. I live out here in Los Angeles. There's other things we could do. And even if it does turn out to be us tech, holy cow, that's still really interesting to talk about and dive into and try to figure out, Oh my God, how did humans get to this? What's the process? There's, there's a lot to unpack there. Um, but, uh, but you know, either way, I guess that's how I feel about it."
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"text": " Lou send me the email again, if you don't mind, if I said no before or I didn't respond, I apologize. No, no, I think it was, I know you do. And I think it was kind of what you just did now where you're just like, let me postulate this, you know, like I, I, I don't know, like I understand how you could say to yourself, yeah, I don't know how I fit in this."
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"text": " And that's cool. It's less that I'm thinking about my role. I don't think about my role at all. I don't even say that to me sounds presumptuous that I may even have a role. I just think in terms of I like mysteries, and I'm trying to solve a puzzle. And I like playing with ideas. And that's my it's just interesting to me to see someone else's to see how someone else thinks I found that extremely interesting."
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"text": " I always find it interesting how Luis thinks. It's bizarre. Yeah, it's out there. Let me tell you. Kurt, you've been such a gentleman with your time. Thank you so much. I know you got to get out of here and I know you have some sleep to get. Hopefully I can get some sleep. I don't know if you know, but I have sad lamps here, so it's seasonal affective disorder. Not that I have that. It's just they're bright, so they're great for the podcast. That's one of the reasons if anyone is watching. Sorry to cut you off, Michael. No, go ahead. I just wanted to explain this quickly."
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"text": " If I seemed extremely, eccentrically silly and at a loss for words, it's because I got so little sleep and I was so frustrated. I think I emailed you. I don't know if I angrily emailed you or what. I didn't mean to be, but I was frustrated at myself. So absolutely frustrated that I couldn't sleep. It's so horrible. It's horrible."
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"text": " Horrible feeling man to be so edge and what I took was CBD oil plenty of it I took melatonin magnesium and b6 all Hours before it was supposed about supposed to sleep in order to ensure that I could rest for today three podcasts I had today had to cancel one of them the other ones the worst podcasts I've ever done I'm sure but anyway, I wanted to make sure that I"
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"text": " When I end, I end somewhat early because these keep me up. Right. Right. Well, can you please tell people again, thank you so much. And it wasn't an angry email and I didn't take any offense to it. I was like, dude, I'm sorry if I expressed frustration and frustration at myself. No, yeah, not at all. Um, what you should do is put on Ross cold hearts, audio book, uh, in plain sight and just go to the, go to sleep with that melodic ringing endorsements, heartthrob, you know, in your ears. It's delicious to fall asleep to."
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"text": " Kurt, where can people find you if they want to check out your podcast? So if people are interested in learning more about what I've talked about, which is theoretical physics, consciousness, free will and God. And by the way, I mentioned this in one hour from now, there's an AMA with myself premiering. So you can watch that live. Sorry, not live. It's premiering. There's a difference on YouTube. Right. At the theories of everything channel. So just type in theories of everything and"
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"text": " I believe you'll find something that looks like the Reese's Pieces logo. That's what people say. Click on that and you'll find some of the videos that I referenced. And we've also got Kurt's link to his theories of everything YouTube channel in the description below. So you can just click that and you can find them right away."
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"text": " Kurt, what a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us today. I really enjoyed it. And people were commenting. They're like, I think Kristen's going to lose Michael to Kurt the way he's smiling over there. So we really appreciated you joining us today. And we'll talk to you soon. Thank you, Kristen. Thank you, Rather. Thank you, Michael. Thank you, Louis. Thanks, brother. We'll talk to you soon. Bye bye. Wow, that guy's awesome."
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"text": " That was great. I thought for sure, I was like listening to you guys, listening to them speak. I'm like, okay, I'm not going to get any questions in here. I think I'm good. These guys have all the great questions. This is wonderful, but it was, it was, I always find it insanely intimidating when someone with that high of an IQ and is that smart. I mean, he's, he really thinks about everything that he's about to say."
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"text": " And I'm in awe of that. It's almost like a supercomputer. It's like, wow, what is this possible? Hold please, computing. Yeah. And the equation that he comes out with every time is like, wow, that's wonderful. You know, it's wonderful. Thoughtful, intelligent, measured responses. It's the complete opposite of us."
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"text": " It's no wonder why he has a hundred thousand followers in between me and Michael we've got about seven It's so it's so cool man, and it's no wonder why he's got the following that he has and why people love to hear him speak I'm sure he's super hard on himself. I'd love to see his scripts because I'm sure they're not as bad as he thinks and"
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"text": " And I bet if he wanted to write a script today and get into a couple executives offices, he probably could. It wouldn't be a problem for him because he's got the bona fides, man. And you never know where stuff leads. Like when I launched my first podcast in 2014,"
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"text": " I was terrified to do that but I did it and then something happened from that and that led me to try to figure out how to start my own business online and then I learned Facebook advertising and here I am"
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"text": " I was like, Lou, this is a really long pitch, bro. I was about to text you. I was about to text you. I was like, dude, get to the fucking point. It really seemed like he was just thinking of a diplomatic way to say no. But you know, I was like, how do you, I guess I need to come up with an elevator pitch for the big phone. What can I say?"
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"text": " Right. You need the 15 second version. I need the 15 second version. Uh, but yeah, I mean again, but I'm sure you know, he doesn't mean this and it's probably crazy for him to even hear, but it's intimidating talking to someone like, like sometimes I do, I'm like, Oh man, how am I going to articulate myself where this makes sense? And this is probably why I've never actually sold a bill, a film or a movie ever in my life. Cause I can't get the pitch right."
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"text": " The podcast is now finished. If you'd like to support conversations like this, then do consider going to patreon.com slash C-U-R-T-J-A-I-M-U-N-G-A-L. That is Kurt Jaimungal. It's support from the patrons and from the sponsors that allow me to do this full time. Every dollar helps tremendously. Thank you."
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