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I even was convicted, you know, for a crime that I didn't commit. And I took a plea and there's reasons why, you know, it's a lot of innocent people who've been coerced into taking a plea for, you know, a mitigated sentence that is probably, you might've been threatened with doing life in prison for something you didn't do, but if you take a plea, you might get five years or, you know,
This system is very corrupt. I was placed in shackles and cuffs. They cut off my clothes, stripped me naked and threw me inside of a cold prison cell with shackles and cuffs on and left me in there just like that with shackles and cuffs on, no clothes for over 24 hours. They
They wanted me to die. They probably thought I was going to die because of it. They will use you up, chew you up and spit you out. You know that they don't give a fuck. And this is the thing about the BOP, just about government in general. Like if people think, oh, well, no, I want a big government. No, the government cares about you. Let me tell you something. When you give the government absolute power, they will treat you just like they treat those inmates.
because they have absolute power, absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. And there's no, there's, there's no repercussions to how they can treat you. Hey, this is Matt Cox. I'm going to be interviewing Ronnie bow. He is a former drug dealer, um, wrongfully incarcerated, sued the police, I think two or three different times.
And, uh, he is currently a book author and rapper, uh, should be a super interesting interview. So check it out. Let's go back and start from the beginning. You know, like just like we were born where Milwaukee. Yeah. Uh, North side of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, the, uh, five, three, two zero six area to be exact. And, uh, I mentioned the zip code because there was a, a movie, uh,
there was a release about three or four years ago about the five three two oh six area because uh according to the researchers and that movie that was uh listed as the highest crime rate area in america at the time okay um so that's you were raised you were born there raised there yeah born born there raised there uh
outside of traveling and being a prison a bunch of times, you know, that's, that's been my environment most of my life. So, um, did your, your parents have, uh, several kids? I mean, were they your brothers, sisters? Well, unfortunately, you know, my mother only had two boys, which my older brother and I, and, uh,
He got killed in 2016 from a federal gunshot wound. So I'm the only child now, but yeah, it was just me and him growing up and up until no the day that he was killed. All right. What did your mom do for a living? All right. Typical.
Black mom in poverty, uh, nine to five. She actually worked at Walgreens when I was young and all of her jobs having been much greater than Walgreens. I mean, recently she worked for Amazon. Uh, yeah, this that's about it. That's all I could say as far as her employment. Okay. Your dad was in your life or? Barely. I mean, my mom and my dad, uh,
stay together until I was about probably about eight years old and though they broke up, he left and he wasn't a part of my life since that point. So I guess it's safe to say that I grew up without a father figure. And you went to school, you know, in the area, like how did that go? Were you a good student? Did you,
Yeah. Well, actually the school, the elementary school that I went to call the father, it was actually directly right across the street from the, uh, the house that I grew up in. And, uh, I mean, I did pretty well at school, you know, outside of having, you know, behavior issues. And I mean, I guess there's many reasons why I was acting up, but as far as, you know, grades when I, when I wanted to,
Comply and pay attention
It's called a HSED, you know, it's, it's, it's worth more than GED, which is more common. And, uh, yeah, I finished that within months. So I actually finished school in juvenile prison. Why did you, how'd you end up in juvie? Well, caught a drug case. It wasn't, that wasn't even my, my first case, you know, I was pretty bad as a juvenile delinquent. So I, I actually have more.
Well, how did that, how did that get started? Like, how'd you start selling drugs? Well, fortunately, you know, just being raised in poverty, uh, my mom wasn't able to provide for me and my brother, uh, sufficiently, I would say. And.
There were kids at the school that I was going to who would ridicule me because I wasn't fresh enough. I didn't have the brands of clothing that they wore. That started to bother me. I didn't have the video games I wanted.
At an early age, I actually started selling drugs when I was 11 years old, really just for school clothes and video games, no things of that nature. Okay. Um, well, so how long, I mean, and then you ended up, you said you ended up catching a case? Yes. My first case was actually a Richter's endangerment.
shot up a residence home. A guy had sold me a cell phone back then when cell phones were just becoming popular. He told me that there were like a hundred and twenty minutes on the phone and I had made like one too many phone calls and it was done and you know he didn't want to give me my money back and he was running and hiding from me so
Uh, you know, just being a young, wild child, I took that approach and was got that infuriated over the incident to where I wanted to call them. So very serious harm. He will come outside. So I just shot up the home. Okay. What did you shoot up? What'd you shoot up with like a 22? Is this an AK 47? Like,
Ironically, and this is documented, but ironically it was the shotgun and I was, I was a small kid. So man, I'm still small now. So, and that kind of helped me because, you know, while fighting the case, my attorney was basically saying he too big to carry a shotgun and shoot one. And so I actually, I actually beat the wreckers in danger and it was only charged with
Possession of a dangerous weapon by a child because the only real proof of evidence they had is that my finger presses on a gun Okay, where'd you get the gun? Even though the statute of limitations are I don't want to be telling nobody. All right So So what so how did you end up in in a
In Juby though, that wasn't the case you said, right? Or was it? Well, I did go to Juby for that, but they released me on house arrest for that. All he said about a week or two before I was released. And then I was only charged with possession of a dangerous weapon, which wasn't a serious crime, which it definitely wasn't a serious as reckless endangerment. The allegations of me actually
shooting his gun into a resident home. So the case was kind of petty. They gave me probation and then while on probation, I caught a case for delivery of a controlled substance. I sold drugs to undercover cop and I actually didn't sell the drugs to him directly. A friend of mine lied to me and told me if they knew this person, they was trying to make a couple of dollars off of the transaction.
So I gave the drugs to a friend and he served the undercover cop and brought me the money back. And by the time he brought me the money back, the police just came from out of nowhere, caught me in a wrestling. And that's, that's, that's, uh, that was around the time I went to jail as a, when I, during my freshman year. And that's, I did a little bit of time for that.
And that's when you got your high school diploma? Yeah. So, I mean, obviously, you know, you get out, when did you get out? I got out about, yeah, I got out, uh, to be exact, it was April of 2004. Okay. And so you went and you got a job at the bank and now that's, you know, you're still working there and everything's fine and
You did it the right thing and now you're a mortgage broker and now? Yeah, I wish I definitely had plans of doing such things but unfortunately the day after I was released I started back selling drugs. You know as a juvenile it's like you don't have the same conscience as especially we don't have kids it's like
you know, you were locked up around a bunch of other kids who talked about doing the same things when they got out. So it wasn't like I did time and thought, well, look, I did this time to change my life. You know, I need to do this and that. I was still in those young and dumb stages to where it's like, well, you know, I got off on this. I'm out now. I need some money.
I, this is, this the only way I know of making money and I need some quick money. So this is what I'm going to go back to doing. Basically that was my state of mind at the time. So, um, how long did that go on until, until you got busted again or actually actually got busted again a year after 2005 and I actually,
caught three cases that year. Well, two of them, I was really friendly and even back then, you know, I was being harassed by the police, but one of them, I was actually, I was actually guilty. I bailed out on the first two and then the last time I was like, well, I knew I would have to sit
eventually anyway, I knew that I would be convicted. So it was like, I might as well sit and get this time out the way the third time. And, uh, two of those cases were drug cases and the, uh, the third case was possession of a firearm. And the crazy thing about that is I was always told like as a juvenile, the juvenile felons wouldn't affect me in my adult life, but I was charged,
as a felon with a firearm based upon my juvenile felon. So I started realizing the injustice of the system even back then because that was unlawful. Your lawyer didn't fight that? He just said, oh yeah, that's the way it is. Yeah. He, I mean, he actually admitted that they wasn't supposed to be able to do it, but you know, they don't really,
That's another thing I realized these lawyers, they, it's, it's really about money, you know, and I understand that it's not really about, uh, you know, defending the civil rights and constitutional rights of your client for them. It's all about just, just money. You know, if they could make more money getting you off, they might try to get you off. But if they could make the same money or more by
So what happened after that? How long did you get on that one?
It started with a scream inside a quiet Maryland home. A mother trying to protect the family dog and her son in the grip of a violent hallucinogenic rage. By the time it was over, she was dead.
I did three years straight and got out on paper.
I managed to stay out on parole or whatever for about a good two years. And then I didn't even catch another case after that until my Fed case. But I went back for a parole violation while the stipulations of my parole was revoked because of
A parole violation of my son's mother. Son's mother called my probation officer and said that I'm still selling drugs. She lied and said it was a bunch of drugs in the house. By the time they came there was no drugs there. And then while I was locked up on hold for that.
I was, they have a phone call with basically me cussing around after I found out that she was the one that called and said I had drugs. So they actually gave me intimidating witness for that. And you know, I was basically threatening her. I was upset, telling her, I'm gonna smack the nail out of her, you know, when I meet her.
The fall call made me seem like a real bad guy. Even though no drugs was filed, they gave me a violation for intimidating witness. And the crazy thing about that is I did more time than I had ever done in my life for parole violation. They revoked my parole for four years. So I did four years straight after that, just off the alligator.
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That's horrible, bro. Yeah, that was horrible. That was the worst time of my life because it's different when you touch a case and it's like, you know, you're guilty. It's like, I, I deserve it. It's sick. But when
It's some petty like that. And it's like, wow, y'all got a call about drugs. No drugs was found. So technically I felt like I should have been out, but y'all still giving me four years for parole violations based on a call. And I thought I had the right to be upset if somebody was to lie in and make such allegations about me to jeopardize my freedom. But you know, the system works how it works. Why'd she call?
We were having relationship problems and in Milwaukee, it's just the culture here. You know, like a lot of black men are on probation. We cheat, we mess up. You know, some of us do go as far as putting our hands off females. That's not my thing. I'm totally against that, but it's like they use that as
a way to blackmail you and say, well, I'll call you PO. You know, you could get into an argument or you could be cheated or whatever. And it's like, I'm going to call you PO. That's how they blackmail us out here. And it is very typical. So, you know, she used that against me and she actually went and followed through with,
with her thoughts of, uh, getting back at me through, uh, jeopardizing my freedom. So, uh, I mean, it's, it's, it's just a crazy story. Even the memories kind of upset he again, just thinking about it. So you did four more years, but this time you were, you weren't in a juvenile facility. So when you got out this time, I mean, where you're still thinking the same way,
No, not really because see a part of the reason why my son's mother did hit that, like she was insecure about who I was becoming. This is around the time of my life. I was taking my career as a rap artist series and I was in the source magazine, which was considered at the time as it's like the hip hop Bible. You know, a lot of little people in the rocking country genre, they,
They look up to the road and stall magazine as, as a, you know, a major accomplishment to be in. And that's what the source magazine was to the hip hop culture at the time. I was there a little, I was on, I was reviewed on the top 40 charts at the time for, uh, Drake and little Wayne still in one of my songs. So I would be coming big off all of that type of publicity and
She felt like, you know, I had options and that although my heart was with her, she just felt like she, you know, being at my show, seeing the attention I get from other females. She didn't like how I interacted with other females because yeah, I seen them as my fan, you know, I gave them hugs. I could tell that some of them were like actually interested in me and it'd be honest.
Sometimes I would be interested in them as well and she could see that. So with me not being around sometimes her mind is automatically, Oh, he out doing this. He out doing that. You know, I could be taking pictures with, with a fanny. She might see the picture and think, Oh, that's his girlfriend. So we start having problems in our relationship because of be just based on that. And that led to a lot of arguments. Sometimes things did get,
physical, you know, I don't believe in beating the woman. So I never actually really like hurt her, put my hands on it. But sometimes, you know, I will have to, you know, grab her up and tell her calm down, chill out, stop swinging at me, stuff, throw stuff, that type of stuff. But yeah, then it led to that, to where it's like, well, I know
If I get them locked up then maybe I won't have to worry about them cheating or maybe these girls won't like him so much because he was in jail. But yeah, that's it. So when you did the four years, did she stick around? Yeah, that was crazy because she was the one putting money on the phone.
sending me books to read and actually putting money on my books for me to order a commissary. So she, she was, she was, she was there. And that's another thing. Like while, while I was doing time, she, she sent me a lot of books about business, about not just the music business, but you know, other businesses that I was interested in and
I had made up my mind during that time, during that four years that this is how I'm going to make money for now. You know, I've been selling drugs since I was a kid. That's too risky. Uh, I'm, I felt like it was an immature hustle for me, you know, because I really, you know, grew up doing that. And I felt like it's, it's like,
For me it's like for the young and dumb book when you have sense and you know how to make money off books or music or real estate it's like it's kind of childish to even want to take that risk especially if you have kids that are depending on you you know like I had a son by then so
I didn't want him to grow up and grow, go through the things that I had to go through. So it's like, I got to put, I have to put this lifestyle to the side and start, you know, developing into this, uh, area of, you know. Right. Well, so, so then you basically get out after four years, you've got kind of a different mindset that,
So what was, what was your plan? Well, the while incarcerated, I was studying, uh, credit systems and I was actually able to start building my credit there. You know, I will have my son's mother apply for certain things, uh, going out, you will credit report.com send me to copy my credit report and
you know, order this book so I can know how to add these trade line, how to build credit. So that was, uh, that was a major part of my plans to, uh, you know, establish credit. So when I get to the point I want to buy a home, whether it's to rent it out, flip it or live in, you know, you know, credit comes in handy for things like that. Also, if I wanted to,
Take out a loan to invest it to my music career or my career as a book author, you know, so I could execute a marketing plan or whatever. It's like, Oh, I won't have to raise money in the street. It's by selling drugs to do it. You know, now I build credit. So now I have to take out a business loan or whatever and do everything the right way. So, you know, I was, I was definitely progressing.
towards those plans. All right. So what's the next? Uh, what's the next thing that happened? What, what year is this by the way? Well, uh, I was incarcerated from 2010 until 2014 and in between that time I actually published my first book in 2012 from
That for the first couple of months it seemed to be a success but my main market was inmates.
how much books sold in prison. Everybody, you know, read books being in the streets. I never seen nobody read a book on street, you know what I mean? But locked up, everybody was reading books. So I was like, okay, there's a market for this. And I seen the type of books that they were reading. So I, uh, I wrote a book on, uh, certain subjects, you know, get to appeal to the urban culture. Uh, and the book was actually banned.
while I was in prison you know the the prison staff the security director they thought that I was like some type of gang leader and then they confiscated my book they read it they said that I was teaching gang literature they said that I was recruit gangster disciples for Larry Hoover like something like totally outrageous
Now, I think that should be one of the articles that I sent you. But, you know, that kind of like held back the success of that book because now it's like, wow, so my book is banned by my targeted market. So now who do I sell the book to now? You know what I mean? Right. Well, I wrote
I published another book by the time I got out. It was a women's empowerment book titled value of the vagina. So I was, uh, I was, uh, working on my marketing plan for that. When I got out, I was building credit. I didn't like professionally start a credit business, but I was making an income on the sides by helping people with a credit, uh, you know, doing simple things like disputes, adding trade lines, teaching them,
where to go to get along with the creditors look for. So I was making money off the credit. I was making money off book sales. I was, I was doing events, you know, as a rap artist, you know, just regular like shows, performances, concerts. So that was my source of income at the time, like after my release from prison in 2014. Um,
So, okay, so when did you, how long did this go on until the, what, either your next, until something changed or you got arrested or? Sure. I'm sure. It's a crazy story. It's a, it's a hell of a story. Now, uh, while, while I was incarcerated, uh, this guy, I don't even know if I,
just say his name because he, he turned out to be the informant in my fed case. And I put out a song, uh, like around the time that I was, uh, arrested and bailed out, I put out a song called whack the rats where I mentioned him by nickname and two or three days later, I had a us marshal worn out based on things I said in the song about him.
So just to rewind us back to, you know, the root of the problem, basically, uh, when, while I was doing time, you know, I had already met the guy. I know him. He was, he had a local magazine that was doing very well in the city. So by the time I got locked up, you know, I was emerging as a rap artist.
So I was publishing articles and ads in his magazine. So we were, we were doing business together. Even while I was incarcerated by time I got released from prison, you know, he was a club owner and the club wasn't doing so well. He knew that I was a promoter. He knew, he knew me from doing successful events. So we, uh,
We went into business. That was, like I said, one of my sources of income was doing events. So he hired me as a club promoter for his club. So we started doing business on that area. Now behind the scenes, I guess he was involved in illegal drug activity, street activity, because the feds had arrested him.
and this was during the time we were doing business together, they arrested him for a drug conspiracy. He and like 15 other people and they had him as the leader. Now there was a guy who he had introduced me to at one of my events. Uh, a guy that was based in Chicago who was listed in our indictment as his supplier.
Now he introduced me to this guy. You know, the guy wanted to meet me because I had an organization called bowl girls and they were my promoters. You know, basically I would get a digital flyer may takes it to them. They posted on a social media and this, this is how all my events sold out. So I had 90 bowl girls and the, uh, they assumed that I was a pimp because I had all these girls calling. They sell bowl girls, promote my events and,
my books and things of that nature. So he, this guy that I was introduced to just so I don't confuse the audience at the end of the magazine publisher introduced me to a friend of his who was based in Chicago, who was later listed in the diamond as the supplier of the guy who owned the magazine. So when the guy owned a magazine got arrested,
The feds wanted him to set some people up and work on some people. So the target was the guy that I was introduced to in Chicago. He was supposed to be the supplier. So I developed a relationship with this guy. We became cool. You know, he had other business endeavors. He also
He wanted to get off and take concert promotions. So he was basically saying, I will invest into you. I will, I will pay to bring guys like little dirt, uh, to your events and we can split the money like this. You just a promoter. I'm the investor. So, uh, you know, we got cool. We start doing business like that. So I don't know if my, uh, so-called friend who introduced me to this guy was jealous of,
our business bond or whatever but he later told the feds you know the feds asked him do he know anybody else that this guy is supplying and he told them that he supplies meat so this how the feds got on me they start watching me from there they were harassing me well i've been stopped plenty times they they came in certain houses no drugs were ever found and i was being harassed for like a year
Did you know why? Or did you have any inkling as to that this guy had put the feds on to you? Or were you just like, I have no idea what's going on? Absolutely. At first, you know, I do have a bad criminal history. So at first, I just speculated that maybe they had song by seeing me become successful in other areas.
Maybe they thought that my money was coming from the streets to you. So that's what I assume. I didn't, I didn't speculate that no particular person or anything had put them on me. I just thought, well, they probably see me growing and developing, uh, as, as something else. Like I got into a political affair or still was a local politician by the name of, uh, Mike McGee. Me and him had put out a documentary together, uh,
So it was just a lot going on and I thought maybe they target and harass me because of this or that. I really didn't even assume that this guy had put the feds on already, but, uh, it had, it had, it had got out of hand. Like they was asking me to actually be in for rent. They kept, uh, saying things like, well, we know that you are,
Uh, you, you know, certain drug dealers, we, maybe you're not in the streets, but we know, you know, you could help us out and we, we want you to be an informant for us. And when I seen that they was trying to make me be an informant, I actually had sued them, you know, and the crazy thing about this too, is that it's like before I sued them myself, because I sued them without a attorney. It was pro se, but I was, I was,
telling a lot of the attorneys about what was going on and they, they didn't want them to do with, with it, you know? So I actually had to sue myself and two weeks after I sued, I was indicted as a member of a drug trafficking organization based in Chicago. And according to them, the guy that I was introduced to by the guy who owned this magazine was allegedly my supplier.
So by the time the paperwork came out, I saw who the informant was and I was shocked by why the dude put the feds on me. I was aware of everything that was alleged. It's a very crazy, very crazy case. If anybody
Are in is interested the the case number that of the lawsuit is a 17 cv 1192 that one is based in the eastern district of wisconsin That's the lawsuit. I filed against a dea agent timothy p gray uh I later uh, I can't say that I won because one thing is going to trial and and being rewarded a certain amount of money, but they did settle
which proves that there was merit in the case. I don't want to get too far off into the end results. I think that's where I'm going. But there was a lot of things that happened in between that before I actually settled the case, I even was convicted for a crime that I didn't commit. And I took a plea and there's reasons why, you know,
It's a lot of innocent people who've been coerced into taking a plea for, you know, a mitigated sentence that is probably, you might've been threatened with doing life in prison for something you didn't do, but if you take a plea, you might get five years. Right. You know, this system is, is, is wicked and very corrupt. So,
You were indicted. Did they arrest, they came and arrested you? Yeah. Uh, you bond out. Huh? Were you able to bond out? Yeah. Eventually, like even prior to the arrest, like they wasn't just harassed me, but they was harassing, uh, this lady who was my ex girlfriend at the time. And one time they arrested her and they told her that, uh,
they found 90 grams of heroin in her purse and that they knew it was mine. I believe that they actually planted the drugs on her, but she actually, she didn't even do any time for that. You know, she later, later on in the indictment, you know, that was threatening her with time and then she later
basically said that the drugs were mine and that I had been, uh, basically, but I've basically been using her to sell my drugs for me basically, you know, just to sum it up. And a lot of her statements were obvious lies. You know, she contradicted herself a bunch of times in her statements, you know, just to try to get herself out of it. And you know, body grace of God, you know,
my lawyer and I was able to point out all the contradictions in her statement. So they couldn't really use the things that she said against you, you know, and, uh, when they indicted me, they actually separated the cases. I had, I had a case based here in Wisconsin and then the actual fed case was based in, uh, Chicago in the Northern district of Illinois. And the,
the case that could have really put me away for, for a long time was based in Wisconsin. That's where they were saying I was a member of this drug trafficking organization and, uh, that, you know, the informant, the guy who all this magazine was saying that I had a worker that I used to use to, you know, basically serve him drugs. So he was lying and saying that I was serving him drugs too. And,
There was one particular incident where he said that I served him 50 grams of heroin and he named the guy as my worker. The guy that he named even admitted that he never met me, that he doesn't know me and that he was never working for me. I even had my lawyer hire a voice analyst specialist because they said they had a phone call to prove that I was serving this guy drugs.
And the voice analyst specialist results came back that the fall calls were definitely not me. So I beat that case. That case could have put me away for about four years. They tried to get me to take a plea for 10 years. I wouldn't take the plea. I definitely knew that I wasn't guilty. The day of trial, they actually dismissed the case.
after basically it was confirmed that the person on these calls wasn't me and that the guy who they said was my worker admitted that he doesn't know me you know they dismissed the case at trial so then I had to deal with the case based on Chicago where they said that there's 90 grams of heroin was found in my girlfriend's purse and then she later said it was mine
So my attorney was basically like, well, you got the main, the big case out the way and you already set a certain amount of time. And this, the guidelines, according to the guidelines, you're already facing about 40 months, 41 months for this. So if you take a plea, you'd be out in another couple of months. So even though I knew I wasn't guilty of the other case, I mean, he was right. I had already set time for a case. I didn't,
The lady who was my ex-girlfriend was willing to testify and basically lie and say that I had her selling drugs and that the 90 grams of heroin was lying and he just felt like it wasn't worth the risk of going to trial because if I would have went to trial I probably would have did about 20 years for that.
but with the plea you know basically just preying to the guidelines which was only about 41 months it's like okay well uh it's not it's not worth rolling the dice you know basically i could take this plea and be back home to my family in a couple months so i i took the plea okay so and then you you got out
was the lawsuit suit still going or had you already settled the lawsuit? Yeah, the lawsuit was again filed before the whole indictment. So, uh, forgot what they, the, uh, the attorney for the, the DEA who I was suing, they filed something. I forgot exactly what it was called, but it basically put my lawsuit on hold until my,
indictment was over with. So once I was convicted on indictment and that was out then, I was able to get the lawsuit back going. It's a very crazy story, bro. Before I took the plea,
As I said, the lawsuits...
Already going, you know, but before I took the plea
The evidence had not surfaced yet that the, uh, the officer, the DEA officer, Tim gray, you know, he, he was later, he was later arrested himself, you know, for telling a fellow officer to frame someone else and a criminal case. So his fellow officer went back and told on him. And the crazy thing is this all happened before I took the plea.
but it didn't surface until and to my indictment until like a year later. You know, my case was held back because of the coronavirus pandemic and all that. So by time a citizen had approach, you know, documentation has surfaced that this office, this DA officer, Tim gray had not only framed me and fabricated evidence against me to indict me, but,
uh, he had done this on other occasions and one of his own officers, one of his own fellow officers had came forward and said, yeah, he asked me to frame someone in the case. So then it was more obvious that the claims that I had made in my lawsuit were likely to be true. So, uh, by the time I got out, I had the documents from the department of justice that showed that, uh,
Basically it was proven that he had fabricated evidence against other people and framed other innocent people in cases. So I used that to basically solidify my lawsuit against him. You would use that to help bolster your case?
All the information that came out with the officer that he had, he was obviously willing to set people up. So you use that to bolster your case and then what? They took a, you took a, I mean they settled? Yeah, they start offering me deals once I filed the evidence into my lawsuit that basically proved that this guy was fabricating evidence against others. It strengthened my lawsuit. So,
Once I started filing such evidence into my case, his attorney started reaching out to me for settlement conferences and things of that nature. I was sending certain documentation to certain politicians. I sent it to Congress. I sent it to
the, uh, the Senate, uh, people who were supposedly, uh, overseen, uh, you know, uh, cases of government and justice and corruption, police misconduct. And so, uh, once they, they, you know, basically saw the approach that I was taking in the direction I was going with the case, you know, they didn't want that out to the public and, uh,
That's why it's an honor to be on your platform because, like, I was reaching out to, you know, mainstream news media, you know, places like Time Magazine, Chicago Sun Times, other mainstream news platforms, and no one would cover this. You know, it's like the story would have never been told because they try to cover up
you know, similar instances of injustice, you know, especially when it comes down to federal aid, they'll be more likely to reveal what a local police officer is doing, you know, but they won't be so quick to expose the actual federal agent because that actually exposes the federal government. And another thing about the lawsuit is that even with the evidence,
No attorney was willing to take my case as if the case didn't have no merit. And some of them was even admitting that they were, they were not willing to go up against the government, a government agent, you know, according to them, it was bad for their career. So I was forced to study the law and learn the law because no lawyer would have represented me. And some even made it seem like I didn't
Merit. But if I didn't have no mirror, the case would have never even been settled. And I have been dismissed, uh, years ahead of time. Like that was trying, they were trying to dismiss the case for about four years. You know, the, the case against the DEA was filed in 2017 and it was settled in, uh, 2022 last year. So that, that case,
Extended for five years and if it didn't have no merit or if they could have deemed it a frivolous case It would have been dismissed a long time ago probably immediately after I filed but that just shows the type of you know people who work behind mainstream media and it also shows the type of people who You know are supposed to defend the civil rights of the citizens here in America
You know, they, they not willing to really defend us against government corruption. So if we don't study this for ourselves, you know, they will be allowed to get away with almost anything. And then another thing like it's a blessing that platforms such as yours are started to emerge because
through platforms like yours, the truth could get out to the public about all the corruption that the government keeps in the dark. Otherwise mainstream media would have never covered anything like this where an actual federal agent is exposed in his documentation to prove this. You know, you can't even say that my claims are allegations anymore because
It has all been proven is the fact that this DEA agent Timothy P Gray to be exact fabricated evidence against me and framed me as a member of a drug trafficking organization and he did it with malicious intent and the legal term for this is vindictive prosecution and malicious prosecution because he
He framed me in a criminal case as a member of a drug trafficking organization after many attempts to coerce me to be an informant. And once I sued because I felt like he was trying to put my life in danger by trying to force me to be an informant, you know, two weeks after I sued him,
I'm grateful to be on this platform as an honor.
Not just for me, but I think this will open the doors for many people like me, you know, all colors, all races, because this, this is not just happened to blacks in America, maybe more so blacks are tardy, but I was locked up with a guy named Alvin Wilkinson, an older white man, and he was
He was one of the top fund managers in the world. He was managing billions of dollars on the stock market. He had some legal issues with Goldman Sachs, I believe they're called, and a few other major organizations. As soon as he was attempting to file complaints about the things that he was going through, they framed him in a case and said that he was
I appreciate it. So what was the next? So what happened? So they settled the case.
with you. They came to you just before trial, right? Was this the one? And then they offered you something and you were like, okay, I'll, I'll take it because you know, you know, like something's better than nothing. Yeah. Well, first offer was, was 10,000 and you know, most people probably would even took that, you know, after fighting this for so long and
you know, everyone is basically in despair about it. Like my, my family, friends, even attorneys was basically saying that I'm wasting my time with going up against the government. They basically sat and you're not going to win. You're wasting your time. Uh, is it not going to get anywhere with this, you know? And so even though the $10,000 offer was a little or nothing, it indicated that, okay,
I have a case and by this offer, it's, you know, it shows that, okay, I have a case. So I didn't jump on the offer. It actually made me go a little harder because it was now, now it's like, you know, when, when a shark smell blood, you know, you, you go in for the kill and it's like, okay, I smell blood. Now y'all offer me some money. So this is y'all way of saying we got to, uh, we got to try to,
you know, get him off the way before this goes to trial because if this goes to trial, you may be awarded 10 million, you know what I mean? Right. And, uh, yeah, I actually, I actually had two lawsuits against the same agent, Tim Gray, because I sued him before he indicted me. And then after I beat the case where he was, where they were saying this guy was my worker,
You know, it showed that it showed false imprisonment because I had already said about a year in prison on that case alone. So once that case was dismissed, then I sued them again for false imprisonment. So by time they settled, they basically brought both lawsuits together and said, okay, we'll settle. If you will agree to dismiss both, both these lawsuits against DEA. Timothy Pete Graham.
And at this point, he's also been implicated in corruption charges where he's talking about, it's been proven that he's talking about framing people. Yeah. They don't want that coming up in court. Yeah. One of his officers actually had him on body cam footage where he's asking the other officer,
plant this on this guy or say you found something on him or say he did this. I forgot exactly what he was trying to frame the civilian into, but he was asking his other officer to do it. And so the other officer was basically like, no, you crazy. I'm not doing it. And he reported him and he gave up the body cam footage to prove that, you know, Tim gray had actually
really solicited him to franchise on one in the criminal case. So then other officers start coming forward and basically saying, yeah, this, this is him. This is what he know for dope for doing, you know, he framed this person or he fabricated evidence against this person. So now it's like, like, wow, you know, uh,
All of this came out in the midst of my lawsuit. I wish it would have came out in the midst of my criminal case before I took the plea because I believe that that would have been forced to dismiss the criminal case if such evidence would have surfaced prior to me taking the plea. Right. So after that lawsuit was settled, what happened then?
Cause you have another lawsuit, like there were those two lawsuits and there's a third lawsuit. Absolutely. Now the third lawsuit is the one that's still pending and this lawsuit is against the federal bro of prisons. Now, while I was in custody in NCC Chicago, which is a federal holding facility, you know, unfortunately it was during the time of the
Coronavirus pandemic. So, I mean, I don't even have no experiences of what you guys were going through in the public because I was incarcerated during that whole time. But I mean, I hear that it was bad out here for you all. So you could just imagine what inmates went through in prison and you know, it is anyone can't imagine, you know, what, what they were doing, you know, to be specific.
they made it to where we couldn't order a commissary. You know, they barely feed you in prison. So, uh, we were starving. They, they would let us out to shower. We was on, we was placed on 24 hour lockdown, you know, uh, because of the pandemic, you know, the quarantine. So they would let us out.
for showers. They wouldn't let us make any fine calls. We couldn't call our mother, wife, children, attorney, even attorneys we weren't able to call. And there were people dying. And you know, if you listen, there was a recent fall call that came out from R. Kelly. It was recently publicized on certain YouTube channels
However, the recordings took place during the incidents, uh, from my lawsuit and he was crying on the call and he was saying that animals are treated better than this. Right. I'm glad that someone like him, uh, you know, I mean, I wouldn't wish that experience on no one, but it's good that someone like him who's always in the media, you know,
to make a call like that because it shines light on what they were doing to the entire inmate population, which I believe is about 1.2 million individuals. You know, but had it been the ordinary inmate who nobody knows, you know, uh, such incidents probably would have stayed in the dark. But now that Art Kelly, uh,
has a public, a phone call that has been publicized. Now I could use his phone call to draw attention to what they were doing, not just to me, but the other, you know, hundreds of thousands of inmates who, uh, experienced no, the inhumane conditions of being incarcerated during a COVID pandemic, you know, because our Kelly and I were actually incarcerated in the same
uh, the federal holding facility at the time. And we were even on the same unit for a period of time. So with me filing this in my lawsuit and indicating, you know, the inhumane conditions, the inadequate medical care that, you know, was being received. Now it's like, okay, now I could,
shine a light on not just what they did to me again, because in my particular incident, you know, I have, uh, experiences that were worse than what they were doing to just inmates in general. You know, I had an incident where I refused to quarantine with another inmate who was, uh,
an 85 year old medically compromised inmate. He was suffering from preexisting medical conditions and the coronavirus is basically killing him. They wanted me to quarantine with him. It didn't make any sense. You know, the health administrator had just advised us against quarantining with any inmate. So when I refused to go into the cell with him, I was placed in shackles and cuffs.
They cut off my clothes, stripped me naked and threw me inside of a cold prison cell with shackles and cuffs on and left me in there just like that with shackles and cuffs on, no clothes for over 24 hours, you know, and uh, and they did it at a time where they knew like I was basically dying myself. You know, I had just had suffered a near fatal asthma attack, asthma attack prior to that.
where I was left unconscious. And if it wasn't for the other inmates banging on doors saying somebody help him, he died. They would have just left me like that with without no medical care. And they did this day's letter to where they, uh, put me in shackles and cuffs and strip me naked and put me in a cold seal. They literally did this days after I had nearly died from COVID-19. Uh, so it,
I mean, that's what, that's what the lawsuit was, was based upon. And, you know, I believe with R Kelly stating that publicly that, uh, you know, animals are treated better than that. It shows that my clients weren't just my claims, you know, someone else felt like that. And he thought he was, he was going to die in there, you know, and I felt, I was going to say, they don't care like that. They don't care about,
We used to joke that the single largest contributor to deaths in Coleman was medical. We'd gather guys going to medical and getting the wrong medication or not being given their medication and there was a guy who got off the bus
one time who was asthmatic and you know they get you off the bus like just before count right so you get out of like rd and then like you have to go to count or you know like four o'clock close to four o'clock so he goes in immediately and says hey look look i need my uh my inhaler you know like i i it's in medical and and they're like yeah right after count right after count he's like no man i i need it now like i'm extremely asthmatic
And they were like, bro, they're like, you know, then immediately they're like, you know, they do the whole intimidation thing, you know, getting the cell right now, or, you know, you're going to get thrown in the shoe. And so he's like, and they're like, look, we'll get it for you. But this is, you don't run nothing here. So you, he goes and gets in the cell. Of course they count you at four, but it's not till like four 20, four 30 till they're completely done. But then he goes up to the, Hey, it goes up to the CEO. Hey man, I need my stuff. They go like you, we'll get to it when we get to it. Well, listen, by it's after five, five 30.
Medical's gone. So by the time the cop comes out, he says, I called down there, but they're already gone. You have to wait till tomorrow. He's like, bro, what if something happens? Oh, you'll be fine. The dude died that night. He had an asthma attack. He'd been on the bus. He was extremely, you know, a lot of anxiety, you know, which isn't good. And he had an asthma attack in the middle of the fucking night and he died. Wow. And I give a shit.
I don't know because you know what's so funny? You know what they always do? They always grab them and call medical and then they come in with a stretcher and they put you on a stretcher and then they call the ambulance and then they say he died on the way to the hospital. Never died there. They always died on the way to the hospital. We had another guy. We had a guy that went into medical one time. He went in on like a
a Thursday complained about his chest pain. They said, we got to come back tomorrow. They came back on Friday and said, I need to see the doctor. They said, you can see him on Monday, right? Uh, you know, he filled out the form. They said, no, you don't understand. I got chest pain. They got chest pain. They said, yeah, Monday you come back Monday. So that night, well, not that day was in the middle of the day. He came, he came walking in and his name was Kiki and he
I'm telling you right now that man was dead in front of my right in front of my cell.
So they said later it came out. He died on his way to the hospital. That man was dead before he hit the ground. He didn't move not one bit. They came and they, they did the whole prep, you know, boom on his chest and they lifted him up and it took four people to get him outside. And listen, he was done, bro. He was done. He wasn't alive. So anyway, yeah, they'll, they'll, they'll kill you. They don't, they're not going to help you.
And see, my family thought that I was exaggerating when I would call or email them and explain to them what was going on with not just me, but other inmates. And like you said, they will ignore your medical conditions no matter how bad they are.
Before I had the asthma attack, bro, like I was, I was complaining. I couldn't really couldn't breathe. And I didn't know this was, this was before, uh, I actually was diagnosed with COVID. You know, when I, when I had, by the time I had the asthma attack, I had been complaining for days about not being able to breathe about how I need my inhaler. So,
Uh, after the incident where I passed out, I was literally probably unconscious for about 30 minutes and they really just left me there. It took for inmates to really start like banging and yelling saying, look, somebody do something. He, he probably did. Like what is y'all doing? So they came in, uh, you know, provided me a little, uh, medical treatment, at least to get me back conscious. But that was it. But the next day,
They, uh, they gave me a COVID test and it just so happened I test positive for COVID. So it wasn't just that my asthma was so bad bothering me, but I had asthma and I had COVID, which is not a good combination. It's actually a very deadly combination. So when they, they, they, uh, realize this, you know, of course,
I kept filing complaints. I actually submitted that into my lawsuit. And then this was days later where they try to force me to quarantine in a cell with another inmate who was technically dying. And because, because I didn't they use that as a reason.
put me in shackles and cuffs, cut my clothes off, put me inside a shoe sale. You know, you probably been to the fair. So you know about the shoe people, people don't is, is what they call the hole. You know, they put me in a hole, left me shackles and cuffs, no clothes on again, 24 hours. And it's like they, they wanted me to die. They probably thought that I was going to die because of that.
and this is just one of the claims in my lawsuit against the bro of prisons and for anyone who wants to look up that case that case number is 22CV0550 that one is in the northern district of Illinois that one is still pending and again I'm just so grateful to be on your platform bro because
I would have never been able to reach the public this way, especially not through any mainstream news sites because they work with the government and anything to expose this type of government corruption especially on this level where it's costing people their lives.
They would never allow me to reveal this type of information in the mainstream media. So again, I appreciate you for having me and allowing me to tell my story on your platform. Right. So at what stage is the lawsuit? I mean, you filed, you filed it. Have they responded yet? Yeah, that's the thing. My last hearing was May 25th.
and basically the judge is giving the defendants another, uh, month and a half because the next hearing is July 13th. So they're giving them a little more time to respond. But in my last filings, you know, I found, uh, I forgot which federal rule of soul procedure it is to be exact. But if they don't respond by the next hearing, then,
The court is forced to grant me the relief that I'm asking for. And of course, my life was jeopardized. So I'm probably going to ask for maybe $10 million for that. So is there anything that you feel like we haven't touched on? Not much. It's just, you know, being in the feds, you know, and studying the law, I was one of the guys who
The judicial system is so corrupt that we don't even have
attorneys who will really defend our civil rights. You know, like even Ben Crump, he's supposed to, you know, go before the civil rights and he post to represent such cases. But what I realized about him is that, you know, he's basically like a cloud treasure. You know, if your case is not in the mainstream media already, he doesn't really want anything to do with it. You know, so
we are forced to study the law for ourselves in order to defend our civil rights. And this case, you know, uh, best one thing that I probably should cover. Like this case is not just about civil rights. You know, this goes into, uh, the international jurisdiction because you know, with such inhumane living conditions, it violates our human rights, which makes it, uh,
a international claim. And so I did file also in the international court of justice, which is the world court. And it deals with the United nations because you know, the America has jurisdiction only over civil rights, you know, and constitutional rights. So once they start to violate our human rights, we have the human right to
take our claims outside that jurisdiction and bring it into the world court. So now it comes down to this similar claims to what Ukraine filed against Russia, you know, because now our human rights are at stake. And again, we don't have, we really don't have
anyone over here is really defending our civil rights. You know, we, we, we really have to like take a stand and study the law for ourselves because we can't really rely on, uh, attorneys because most attorneys and I'm going to say 98% of them based on my own experience are not willing to defend us when it comes down to the government.
Yes, they may defend us against a local police or whatever. But when it comes down to government agents and certain politicians, when they violate our rights, there's really no attorneys who are willing to take a stand and defend us. So we have to really defend ourself. And if it wasn't for, again, platforms like such as yours, and if it wasn't for people like me who took time to
Well, you know, it's, it's funny. You mentioned that I have a buddy who is locked up. His name's Donovan Davis, black guy.
He so he is a heavy equipment Operator and mechanic so he can fix diesel engines and heavy and hydraulic systems and and all kinds of the you're a massive machine that you pay hundreds of dollars an hour for to hire a mechanic He also does his family and he grew up doing this They do grading where they they grade, you know
large swaths of land, they cut trees down, that whole thing, right? Though he works at facilities in the camp at Coleman. Coleman is the largest federal complex in the nation and it's an hour north of Tampa. So when it came down to COVID, do you remember the getting released in the CARES Act where they're releasing inmates?
50% of your time completed, nonviolent, you have an out custody status, right? He's at a camp. You have, so you meet those requirements. And if you're, if you have a high probability of being, um, high probability of being susceptible to COVID,
You have asthma, you have obesity, you use a CPAP machine, you have any of those things. So he has all of them. Here's the thing, he's in there for a white collar crime. White collar crime, never been in trouble before, made the mistake of going to trial though. Got 17 years, but he had half of his sentence complete. Now here's the thing, you have
7, 8, 9, 10, 15 guys with very similar charges as him. Right? Like wire fraud, like white collar guys, guys that ran Ponzi schemes. Um, those guys all got released and there's actually, I have a list of the names of them. They all got released. So there's twofold to this problem. One, all of these people were released. Same criteria as Donovan. They were all white.
Donovan is a black guy. And here's the other thing. Donovan clears all the lots around the prisons. There's five prisons in Coleman. He fixes all the equipment. He fixes the equipment so well, they're shipping equipment from other institutions to Florida to be repaired. They put, they throw, they throw all their stuff on a truck. They ship it down here because guess what? Donovan gets paid.
$4 a day, $1.15 an hour or whatever that comes to, $6, $7 a day, $8 a day, or you pay somebody $250 an hour to work on your hydraulic equipment and your diesel equipment and your forklifts and he does it for almost nothing. Nothing. He does it for a cup of coffee a day at Starbucks. He'll save you. He just cleared all of the trees on the tree lines around the prisons
That's a hundred thousand dollar job. Like literally, I got a copy of his, his wife sent me a copy of his, um, his, uh, his report from his counselors. He'd saved them over a million dollars in the last like four years. They said the warden loves of everybody who thinks he's, you're saving us tons of money. You're doing great. You're doing great. He gets to drive around in the truck around the perimeter by himself. He gets everything. But when it came time to releasing him,
He didn't get released. Why would you release a guy that saving you hundreds of thousands of dollars a year? Why would you release him? He meets the criteria. So during this whole thing, when this whole thing was going on, when they were trying to get him released and they kept denying him, he got denied, uh, like I think three times. And every time they came up with some other reason he's a, he's a, um,
You know, he, uh, he, uh, he's a risk to the public. Really? He's a white collar risk to the public. You have him in a camp. He's in a fucking camp, bro. If I'm, there's no fence. I can leave anytime I want. I could say, Hey honey, pick me up on the street, jump in the car and drive off. So how he's got his custody level zero. Like he's got like his, you know, risk level is. It's like zero. He's at a camp, um, more than 50% of his time, asthmatic, OB overweight, um, obese.
Use of the CPAP machine all of the problems. Oh, he also has diabetes. I Don't release him. Why would they all these other guys got released? They were fine Most of them didn't even have medical conditions, but they serve 50% of their time. They were nonviolent They say they got home. So during the course of this whole thing his lawyer filed and said like cuz let's face it if you know the law and
Him being turned down doesn't mean anything. The only way he really has a right to sue is because if you're if you're discriminating against him because he's Jewish, you know, race, religion, what he's saying, I'm suing because, you know, I'm black. And they said, Oh, that's not true. That's not what's happening. He said, really, I want a list of the
of the race of everybody that was released. The BOP is refusing to give them that list. They're saying, we don't keep tabs on that. What are you talking about? You keep tabs. You know exactly who was released and what color they are. You can't look up an inmate without knowing what color he is. When I go to look up inmate finder by punching, you punch in Matt Cox. It says there's only three things they want to know.
What's his name? What's his race? And he's the, uh, what's his sex? That's it. So you know what race these guys are. I think they're, they're huge fear. And then what their lawyer is afraid, thinks they're afraid of is that when they do that list, that is, it is going to be astronomically disproportionate to the true race that should have been released.
It should be at least close to equal. I'll bet you 95% of the people that were released from prison were white. I have a buddy who writes for Forbes magazine, who's been on this whole thing. And he also ordered a freedom of information act. He said they won't give it to him either. And his whole thing is his name is Walt Pablo. He said that we were talking and he goes, he said, Matt, he said, you know, I've helped like 40 people, 50 people get released.
And I said, okay. He said, they weren't all white. I said, really? He said, no, no. Two of them were Spanish. Two Spanish guys, all white guys, none, no black guys. He said, I have another buddy who got released. His name is, uh, I would call them Zach. Zach helped something like 10 or 15 people. And he said, you know what? He said, out of all the people I helped, he said, I think only two of the two of them were black guys that got out.
That actually got it. Everybody else was white. He said, so, I mean, so anyway, Donovan's, you know, filing a lawsuit, they're fighting, they're arguing there. No, no, no, but think about it. So there's two, two things here. One, they weren't letting out a lot of black guys and two, why would you release this guy? He's saving you millions, millions of dollars. You're not going to get another guy like this. Think about it.
You're not going to get a guy with that type of skill set who can be in a camp and be allowed to drive around and do all these things by himself. That's rare commodity and it's worth millions. Why release them? They will use you up, chew you up and spit you out. You know that, they don't give a fuck. And this is the thing about the BOP, just about government in general.
If people think, Oh, well, no, I want a big government. No, the government cares about you. Let me tell you something. When you give the government absolute power, they will treat you just like they treat those inmates because they have absolute power, absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. And there's no, there's, there's no repercussions to how they can treat you. They'll treat you however they want to treat you. And if you think that you think they won't, you're fucking crazy.
Like if the government gets too, too big, which is already too big, this is how they treat you like an inmate. You know, I mean, so you've seen it. You're you're you're fighting right now. You're only fighting because you're bright enough to fight. Most people aren't. And people can't write a motion. And I actually explained that to my lawsuit. I mean, there were people like one of my cellmates, he really couldn't read.
you know, it was sad because his case was so bogus, but he don't know nothing about the law and he can't even really find out unless, you know, somebody like us who could point things out and tell it because he couldn't read. And that's, that's the case. That's the case for us. Like I don't, again, I don't know what you know or think about R Kelly, but,
He's another inmate. You know, now I know what the public has been programmed to think about him, but I was incarcerated with him in all the same unit for a while. This guy can't read and I don't want to say he a total dummy because I probably couldn't. I mean, he's a genius when it comes to, uh, producing good music, but I made, he doesn't know which way to go. He don't,
know which way to turn. He can't read his case like he has the first case in history to where he was indicted on a one man RICO. You know the RICO was really meant for organizations. Yeah for for mobs basically you know I mean so that in itself is is is just it's just ironic and speaking of
Like the cares. I was, I was still incarcerated when, uh, William Barr, uh, mandated that now, uh, I was letter sent to Gilmer, West Virginia. And I don't know if you familiar with, uh, who Terry Flannery is, but his, uh, he's known by Southwest T, uh, his brother name is Demetrius Flannery. He's known as Big Meach. Oh yeah. Yeah.
50 Cent recently put out like a series about their story. Okay. So now when I, by the time I made it to Gilbert West Virginia, Southwest T had just left and he left because he was granted a compassionate release, you know, based on the CARES Act. So,
You know, I went to the law library, you know, I looked, I looked up his, his case printed out some things, you know, basically to use, cause I, I had, I had been denied twice already for compassionate release, but it's like, okay, if he was granted this and I'm, I know his case way better than mine. He could send us to 30 years or, uh, what they call the criminal enterprise. Yeah.
cc uh it was uh what is it uh cce continuous criminal enterprise basically like rico yeah cce so there were there was violence and everything on his case now again my case it was a drug case but there was possession of 90 grams which was never even fought on beat but it's non-violent and you know uh one of the criteria's was that
You can't be a violent offender. So, okay, I'm not a violent offender. I'm medically compromised. I have asthma. And I did a certain amount of my time. You know, like, why was I denied? You know what I'm saying? And how was his graded? Because, I mean,
We filed under the exact same thing. He actually has violence in his case. You know what I mean? So I mean, yes, they, they do discriminate against people or racially, but I didn't understand that either because I was seeing people get granted compassionate release who actually had cases like robbery. You know, so I really just, I really just don't understand the system. Really don't.
So, you know, out of, I want to say, I don't know how many people it is, be honest. I think it's like 10 or 15,000. Do you know there, there's only like less than half a dozen guys that got new, new charges that were released. Less than half of that six guys that got new charges. So think about that. You could release, if you could release 10 or 12,000 guys and put them on ankle monitors and have them go work.
They don't cost you anything.
Put them on an ankle monitor, go to work. He only gets to go to work and come home, go to the grocery store and go to church and come home, like that's it. So you're telling me that you can release 10, 12,000 guys and monitor them. What the fuck do we have those guys in prison for then? If you can do that with those guys, why are they in prison? Why were they in prison to begin with? They're obviously, and now they're all contributing. Now they're all paying taxes.
They're all paying sales tax, property taxes, income taxes, and it's not costing you 32,000 a year. So now what, now what's happening, you're saving 15 grand a year by having them on an ankle monitor and out of like 10, 10,000 guys, six of them over the course of two years got new charges. I think two dozen of them actually like got thrown back in jail. Like, like they did something like, you know,
ran off with their girlfriend and for the weekend didn't, you know, whatever, you know, they do stupid stuff. They violated. I'm talking about new charge. A violation is just stupid. That's not a new chart. That's not a criminal charge. It doesn't hurt anybody. But that, but the inmate, I'm talking about new charges, like six guys got new charges and they were minor charges. These aren't like they murdered somebody. These are guys that like they sold drugs out of their house or something like, okay, so what?
And they got another charge and they got violated and they went back to prison. They got an extra two years and that's it. So, so what are you doing? You see what I'm saying? Like that's hundreds of millions. Like you add 50, you add that up 50,000 times like the 12 or however many thousand guys that got released times two, two, two, three, four, five years, you're saving hundreds of thousands or what?
Millions millions of dollars every single year Why are why are with they in prison? Not not even to mention the the astronomical length of guys sentences like the same sentence that you would get in almost any country in Europe You get six months two years here. You get ten fifteen years It like and you know this like the only reason that makes sense is money That's it money in politics
So, so, I mean, I, I hear you, like, I, I definitely believe the system is extremely, you know, unjust. Um, but listen, um, what can you think of anything else that we didn't touch on or that. Well, speaking on the money issues, uh, you know, just in closing, like what I discovered about the system, like you, you just mentioned the disparity of
how much time we get in America versus most other countries. Now, what I didn't realize is that, uh, once we are sentenced, uh, a bid by is established, which, uh, goes on the stock market basically, and people can invest into that. And a lot of people, you know, a lot of rich, powerful people invest into the prison system that way.
They make money off interest as long as you sit in prison. So if we could sentence these guys with big bonds with a 10 year duration versus a 2 year duration then that makes more money for the investors.
I mean, it's, it's crazy. It, it confused a lot of people who don't understand, but it's definitely based on money. And it would be being a rap artists. I also want to explain how, you know, the most of the people who, you know, how their money invested in the music industry, particular hip hop music, you know, they all,
the major record labels who own the labels that people think are major labels and they are more significantly invested in the prison industry than anything. And it, it goes hand in hand. Like if we could, uh,
If we can saturate the market through these artists with music that's basically influencing their culture to kill each other and sell drugs, then that increases the chances that a lot of people, more people will start going to jail and killing because we glorify murder now. We glorify selling drugs. We glorify robbery. This is getting into their heads. It's influencing them to want to,
kill everybody they get into it with influencing them to want to sell drugs so they can have the biggest chains on to impress these girls and so now we have them you know on the market they're involved in the drug trade they're killing and so it's a revolving cycle now you know we're influencing them to commit crimes and once they commit crimes
we make money off when they commit crime and we also making money off of the music this influence everybody to make crime. So I just want to, uh, just want to close on that note. And again, thanks a lot for having me. I mean, you, you're a blessing to, to, uh, a lot more people than you probably are aware of because you know, uh, the way that the government is set up, you know,
You know, we, we call it the trap in our culture because it's like we trapped into committing crimes. Like I don't want to justify anything that anyone does, including myself. But when you grow up in poverty and you look up to rappers who influence you to sell drugs and kill, because this, this is all, you know, you, your, your parents are probably not even suitable.
to raise you properly because they probably either sell drugs themselves or they probably drug abusers, dolphins, crackheads themselves. So how are they going to guide you out of that lifestyle and keep you from falling into that trap? You know, you have good people like I'm not perfect. I don't think anyone was ever considered perfect other than Jesus, but you have good people who
just make such mistakes and then they make such people look like the worst people on the planet. You know what I mean? Like I looked in even to you a little bit. I see the, uh, if I'm not mistaken, you were, uh, uh, incarcerated yourself for like $55 million of fraud or something like that. Right. You know, and it's crazy because rather you did that or not,
you know, the people behind the scenes who control the government commit crimes far worse than anything that you ever did that you was ever convicted of and things far more than I was ever convicted for. But again, you know, uh, people like you and I are technically like blacklisted. You know, they don't want us to get these.
This type of message out to the masses. So again, I salute you for having this platform and thank you for having me and allowing me to tell my story. Sure. No problem. I appreciate you coming on. Yeah. I used to say the BOP wants me to work at Walmart when I get out, right? Like that's, that's all they want from you. Work at Walmart, go get a job at Walmart or McDonald's. That's all they want. They don't, they don't want to see you get out and do something. Not all that.
and odd
I just had a hearing hearing to get off papers early and she said, uh, you need to work at nine to five. She's not, she's not satisfied with my proof of income. And this is, this is the only reason why she denied me. I don't have any violations, but they denied me because proof of income. Uh, well your book wrote, she doesn't show that you were occupied. Your music stream doesn't show that you were occupied the events and I'm explaining to her, look,
I, you know, you want me to work eight hours a day, but sometimes I work 12 hours a day writing books or writing songs or being in the studio. But you, you want me to work for Walmart or McDonald's because I'm working for myself. You're not satisfied with it. Even if you're making more money doing that, they don't want that.
I just don't see them wanting people to be successful when they get out. They say they do because it sounds good, but they don't do anything to help encourage that. What they help encourage is for you to go get a job at Walmart or Amazon or go work at FedEx or go work it. That's what they want you to do. Work 60, 70 hours a week.
That and be, you know, work from nine until six or seven, go home, go to sleep, watch Netflix, go to bed, wake up the next morning, do it again. That's what we want. This is Matt Cox and I appreciate you guys checking out the video. And if you like the video, do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell. So you get notified of videos like this. Also, please share the video and leave me a comment in the comment section. It really does help. Thank you very much for watching and I will see you.
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"text": " And that's when you got your high school diploma? Yeah. So, I mean, obviously, you know, you get out, when did you get out? I got out about, yeah, I got out, uh, to be exact, it was April of 2004. Okay. And so you went and you got a job at the bank and now that's, you know, you're still working there and everything's fine and"
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"text": " as a felon with a firearm based upon my juvenile felon. So I started realizing the injustice of the system even back then because that was unlawful. Your lawyer didn't fight that? He just said, oh yeah, that's the way it is. Yeah. He, I mean, he actually admitted that they wasn't supposed to be able to do it, but you know, they don't really,"
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"text": " The fall call made me seem like a real bad guy. Even though no drugs was filed, they gave me a violation for intimidating witness. And the crazy thing about that is I did more time than I had ever done in my life for parole violation. They revoked my parole for four years. So I did four years straight after that, just off the alligator."
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"text": " What's going on YouTube? Ardap Dan here, Federal Prison Time Consulting. Hope you guys are all having a great day. If you're seeing and hearing this right now, that means you're watching Matt Cox on Inside True Crime. At the end of Matt's video, there will be a link in the description where you can book a free consultation with yours truly, Ardap Dan."
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"text": " That's horrible, bro. Yeah, that was horrible. That was the worst time of my life because it's different when you touch a case and it's like, you know, you're guilty. It's like, I, I deserve it. It's sick. But when"
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"text": " It's some petty like that. And it's like, wow, y'all got a call about drugs. No drugs was found. So technically I felt like I should have been out, but y'all still giving me four years for parole violations based on a call. And I thought I had the right to be upset if somebody was to lie in and make such allegations about me to jeopardize my freedom. But you know, the system works how it works. Why'd she call?"
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"text": " We were having relationship problems and in Milwaukee, it's just the culture here. You know, like a lot of black men are on probation. We cheat, we mess up. You know, some of us do go as far as putting our hands off females. That's not my thing. I'm totally against that, but it's like they use that as"
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"text": " with her thoughts of, uh, getting back at me through, uh, jeopardizing my freedom. So, uh, I mean, it's, it's, it's just a crazy story. Even the memories kind of upset he again, just thinking about it. So you did four more years, but this time you were, you weren't in a juvenile facility. So when you got out this time, I mean, where you're still thinking the same way,"
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"text": " No, not really because see a part of the reason why my son's mother did hit that, like she was insecure about who I was becoming. This is around the time of my life. I was taking my career as a rap artist series and I was in the source magazine, which was considered at the time as it's like the hip hop Bible. You know, a lot of little people in the rocking country genre, they,"
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"text": " She felt like, you know, I had options and that although my heart was with her, she just felt like she, you know, being at my show, seeing the attention I get from other females. She didn't like how I interacted with other females because yeah, I seen them as my fan, you know, I gave them hugs. I could tell that some of them were like actually interested in me and it'd be honest."
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"text": " Sometimes I would be interested in them as well and she could see that. So with me not being around sometimes her mind is automatically, Oh, he out doing this. He out doing that. You know, I could be taking pictures with, with a fanny. She might see the picture and think, Oh, that's his girlfriend. So we start having problems in our relationship because of be just based on that. And that led to a lot of arguments. Sometimes things did get,"
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"text": " physical, you know, I don't believe in beating the woman. So I never actually really like hurt her, put my hands on it. But sometimes, you know, I will have to, you know, grab her up and tell her calm down, chill out, stop swinging at me, stuff, throw stuff, that type of stuff. But yeah, then it led to that, to where it's like, well, I know"
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"text": " If I get them locked up then maybe I won't have to worry about them cheating or maybe these girls won't like him so much because he was in jail. But yeah, that's it. So when you did the four years, did she stick around? Yeah, that was crazy because she was the one putting money on the phone."
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"text": " sending me books to read and actually putting money on my books for me to order a commissary. So she, she was, she was, she was there. And that's another thing. Like while, while I was doing time, she, she sent me a lot of books about business, about not just the music business, but you know, other businesses that I was interested in and"
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"text": " I had made up my mind during that time, during that four years that this is how I'm going to make money for now. You know, I've been selling drugs since I was a kid. That's too risky. Uh, I'm, I felt like it was an immature hustle for me, you know, because I really, you know, grew up doing that. And I felt like it's, it's like,"
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"text": " For me it's like for the young and dumb book when you have sense and you know how to make money off books or music or real estate it's like it's kind of childish to even want to take that risk especially if you have kids that are depending on you you know like I had a son by then so"
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"text": " I didn't want him to grow up and grow, go through the things that I had to go through. So it's like, I got to put, I have to put this lifestyle to the side and start, you know, developing into this, uh, area of, you know. Right. Well, so, so then you basically get out after four years, you've got kind of a different mindset that,"
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"text": " So what was, what was your plan? Well, the while incarcerated, I was studying, uh, credit systems and I was actually able to start building my credit there. You know, I will have my son's mother apply for certain things, uh, going out, you will credit report.com send me to copy my credit report and"
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"text": " you know, order this book so I can know how to add these trade line, how to build credit. So that was, uh, that was a major part of my plans to, uh, you know, establish credit. So when I get to the point I want to buy a home, whether it's to rent it out, flip it or live in, you know, you know, credit comes in handy for things like that. Also, if I wanted to,"
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"text": " Take out a loan to invest it to my music career or my career as a book author, you know, so I could execute a marketing plan or whatever. It's like, Oh, I won't have to raise money in the street. It's by selling drugs to do it. You know, now I build credit. So now I have to take out a business loan or whatever and do everything the right way. So, you know, I was, I was definitely progressing."
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"text": " towards those plans. All right. So what's the next? Uh, what's the next thing that happened? What, what year is this by the way? Well, uh, I was incarcerated from 2010 until 2014 and in between that time I actually published my first book in 2012 from"
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"text": " how much books sold in prison. Everybody, you know, read books being in the streets. I never seen nobody read a book on street, you know what I mean? But locked up, everybody was reading books. So I was like, okay, there's a market for this. And I seen the type of books that they were reading. So I, uh, I wrote a book on, uh, certain subjects, you know, get to appeal to the urban culture. Uh, and the book was actually banned."
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"text": " while I was in prison you know the the prison staff the security director they thought that I was like some type of gang leader and then they confiscated my book they read it they said that I was teaching gang literature they said that I was recruit gangster disciples for Larry Hoover like something like totally outrageous"
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"text": " Now, I think that should be one of the articles that I sent you. But, you know, that kind of like held back the success of that book because now it's like, wow, so my book is banned by my targeted market. So now who do I sell the book to now? You know what I mean? Right. Well, I wrote"
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"text": " I published another book by the time I got out. It was a women's empowerment book titled value of the vagina. So I was, uh, I was, uh, working on my marketing plan for that. When I got out, I was building credit. I didn't like professionally start a credit business, but I was making an income on the sides by helping people with a credit, uh, you know, doing simple things like disputes, adding trade lines, teaching them,"
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"text": " where to go to get along with the creditors look for. So I was making money off the credit. I was making money off book sales. I was, I was doing events, you know, as a rap artist, you know, just regular like shows, performances, concerts. So that was my source of income at the time, like after my release from prison in 2014. Um,"
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"text": " So, okay, so when did you, how long did this go on until the, what, either your next, until something changed or you got arrested or? Sure. I'm sure. It's a crazy story. It's a, it's a hell of a story. Now, uh, while, while I was incarcerated, uh, this guy, I don't even know if I,"
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"text": " So just to rewind us back to, you know, the root of the problem, basically, uh, when, while I was doing time, you know, I had already met the guy. I know him. He was, he had a local magazine that was doing very well in the city. So by the time I got locked up, you know, I was emerging as a rap artist."
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"text": " So I was publishing articles and ads in his magazine. So we were, we were doing business together. Even while I was incarcerated by time I got released from prison, you know, he was a club owner and the club wasn't doing so well. He knew that I was a promoter. He knew, he knew me from doing successful events. So we, uh,"
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"text": " We went into business. That was, like I said, one of my sources of income was doing events. So he hired me as a club promoter for his club. So we started doing business on that area. Now behind the scenes, I guess he was involved in illegal drug activity, street activity, because the feds had arrested him."
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"text": " and this was during the time we were doing business together, they arrested him for a drug conspiracy. He and like 15 other people and they had him as the leader. Now there was a guy who he had introduced me to at one of my events. Uh, a guy that was based in Chicago who was listed in our indictment as his supplier."
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"text": " Now he introduced me to this guy. You know, the guy wanted to meet me because I had an organization called bowl girls and they were my promoters. You know, basically I would get a digital flyer may takes it to them. They posted on a social media and this, this is how all my events sold out. So I had 90 bowl girls and the, uh, they assumed that I was a pimp because I had all these girls calling. They sell bowl girls, promote my events and,"
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"text": " my books and things of that nature. So he, this guy that I was introduced to just so I don't confuse the audience at the end of the magazine publisher introduced me to a friend of his who was based in Chicago, who was later listed in the diamond as the supplier of the guy who owned the magazine. So when the guy owned a magazine got arrested,"
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"text": " The feds wanted him to set some people up and work on some people. So the target was the guy that I was introduced to in Chicago. He was supposed to be the supplier. So I developed a relationship with this guy. We became cool. You know, he had other business endeavors. He also"
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"text": " He wanted to get off and take concert promotions. So he was basically saying, I will invest into you. I will, I will pay to bring guys like little dirt, uh, to your events and we can split the money like this. You just a promoter. I'm the investor. So, uh, you know, we got cool. We start doing business like that. So I don't know if my, uh, so-called friend who introduced me to this guy was jealous of,"
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"text": " our business bond or whatever but he later told the feds you know the feds asked him do he know anybody else that this guy is supplying and he told them that he supplies meat so this how the feds got on me they start watching me from there they were harassing me well i've been stopped plenty times they they came in certain houses no drugs were ever found and i was being harassed for like a year"
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"text": " Did you know why? Or did you have any inkling as to that this guy had put the feds on to you? Or were you just like, I have no idea what's going on? Absolutely. At first, you know, I do have a bad criminal history. So at first, I just speculated that maybe they had song by seeing me become successful in other areas."
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"text": " Maybe they thought that my money was coming from the streets to you. So that's what I assume. I didn't, I didn't speculate that no particular person or anything had put them on me. I just thought, well, they probably see me growing and developing, uh, as, as something else. Like I got into a political affair or still was a local politician by the name of, uh, Mike McGee. Me and him had put out a documentary together, uh,"
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"text": " So it was just a lot going on and I thought maybe they target and harass me because of this or that. I really didn't even assume that this guy had put the feds on already, but, uh, it had, it had, it had got out of hand. Like they was asking me to actually be in for rent. They kept, uh, saying things like, well, we know that you are,"
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"text": " Uh, you, you know, certain drug dealers, we, maybe you're not in the streets, but we know, you know, you could help us out and we, we want you to be an informant for us. And when I seen that they was trying to make me be an informant, I actually had sued them, you know, and the crazy thing about this too, is that it's like before I sued them myself, because I sued them without a attorney. It was pro se, but I was, I was,"
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"text": " telling a lot of the attorneys about what was going on and they, they didn't want them to do with, with it, you know? So I actually had to sue myself and two weeks after I sued, I was indicted as a member of a drug trafficking organization based in Chicago. And according to them, the guy that I was introduced to by the guy who owned this magazine was allegedly my supplier."
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"text": " So by the time the paperwork came out, I saw who the informant was and I was shocked by why the dude put the feds on me. I was aware of everything that was alleged. It's a very crazy, very crazy case. If anybody"
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"text": " Are in is interested the the case number that of the lawsuit is a 17 cv 1192 that one is based in the eastern district of wisconsin That's the lawsuit. I filed against a dea agent timothy p gray uh I later uh, I can't say that I won because one thing is going to trial and and being rewarded a certain amount of money, but they did settle"
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"text": " which proves that there was merit in the case. I don't want to get too far off into the end results. I think that's where I'm going. But there was a lot of things that happened in between that before I actually settled the case, I even was convicted for a crime that I didn't commit. And I took a plea and there's reasons why, you know,"
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"text": " It's a lot of innocent people who've been coerced into taking a plea for, you know, a mitigated sentence that is probably, you might've been threatened with doing life in prison for something you didn't do, but if you take a plea, you might get five years. Right. You know, this system is, is, is wicked and very corrupt. So,"
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"text": " You were indicted. Did they arrest, they came and arrested you? Yeah. Uh, you bond out. Huh? Were you able to bond out? Yeah. Eventually, like even prior to the arrest, like they wasn't just harassed me, but they was harassing, uh, this lady who was my ex girlfriend at the time. And one time they arrested her and they told her that, uh,"
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"text": " they found 90 grams of heroin in her purse and that they knew it was mine. I believe that they actually planted the drugs on her, but she actually, she didn't even do any time for that. You know, she later, later on in the indictment, you know, that was threatening her with time and then she later"
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"text": " basically said that the drugs were mine and that I had been, uh, basically, but I've basically been using her to sell my drugs for me basically, you know, just to sum it up. And a lot of her statements were obvious lies. You know, she contradicted herself a bunch of times in her statements, you know, just to try to get herself out of it. And you know, body grace of God, you know,"
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"text": " my lawyer and I was able to point out all the contradictions in her statement. So they couldn't really use the things that she said against you, you know, and, uh, when they indicted me, they actually separated the cases. I had, I had a case based here in Wisconsin and then the actual fed case was based in, uh, Chicago in the Northern district of Illinois. And the,"
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"text": " the case that could have really put me away for, for a long time was based in Wisconsin. That's where they were saying I was a member of this drug trafficking organization and, uh, that, you know, the informant, the guy who all this magazine was saying that I had a worker that I used to use to, you know, basically serve him drugs. So he was lying and saying that I was serving him drugs too. And,"
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"text": " There was one particular incident where he said that I served him 50 grams of heroin and he named the guy as my worker. The guy that he named even admitted that he never met me, that he doesn't know me and that he was never working for me. I even had my lawyer hire a voice analyst specialist because they said they had a phone call to prove that I was serving this guy drugs."
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"text": " And the voice analyst specialist results came back that the fall calls were definitely not me. So I beat that case. That case could have put me away for about four years. They tried to get me to take a plea for 10 years. I wouldn't take the plea. I definitely knew that I wasn't guilty. The day of trial, they actually dismissed the case."
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"text": " after basically it was confirmed that the person on these calls wasn't me and that the guy who they said was my worker admitted that he doesn't know me you know they dismissed the case at trial so then I had to deal with the case based on Chicago where they said that there's 90 grams of heroin was found in my girlfriend's purse and then she later said it was mine"
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"text": " So my attorney was basically like, well, you got the main, the big case out the way and you already set a certain amount of time. And this, the guidelines, according to the guidelines, you're already facing about 40 months, 41 months for this. So if you take a plea, you'd be out in another couple of months. So even though I knew I wasn't guilty of the other case, I mean, he was right. I had already set time for a case. I didn't,"
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"text": " The lady who was my ex-girlfriend was willing to testify and basically lie and say that I had her selling drugs and that the 90 grams of heroin was lying and he just felt like it wasn't worth the risk of going to trial because if I would have went to trial I probably would have did about 20 years for that."
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"text": " but with the plea you know basically just preying to the guidelines which was only about 41 months it's like okay well uh it's not it's not worth rolling the dice you know basically i could take this plea and be back home to my family in a couple months so i i took the plea okay so and then you you got out"
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"text": " was the lawsuit suit still going or had you already settled the lawsuit? Yeah, the lawsuit was again filed before the whole indictment. So, uh, forgot what they, the, uh, the attorney for the, the DEA who I was suing, they filed something. I forgot exactly what it was called, but it basically put my lawsuit on hold until my,"
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"text": " indictment was over with. So once I was convicted on indictment and that was out then, I was able to get the lawsuit back going. It's a very crazy story, bro. Before I took the plea,"
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"text": " The evidence had not surfaced yet that the, uh, the officer, the DEA officer, Tim gray, you know, he, he was later, he was later arrested himself, you know, for telling a fellow officer to frame someone else and a criminal case. So his fellow officer went back and told on him. And the crazy thing is this all happened before I took the plea."
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"text": " but it didn't surface until and to my indictment until like a year later. You know, my case was held back because of the coronavirus pandemic and all that. So by time a citizen had approach, you know, documentation has surfaced that this office, this DA officer, Tim gray had not only framed me and fabricated evidence against me to indict me, but,"
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"text": " uh, he had done this on other occasions and one of his own officers, one of his own fellow officers had came forward and said, yeah, he asked me to frame someone in the case. So then it was more obvious that the claims that I had made in my lawsuit were likely to be true. So, uh, by the time I got out, I had the documents from the department of justice that showed that, uh,"
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"text": " Basically it was proven that he had fabricated evidence against other people and framed other innocent people in cases. So I used that to basically solidify my lawsuit against him. You would use that to help bolster your case?"
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"text": " All the information that came out with the officer that he had, he was obviously willing to set people up. So you use that to bolster your case and then what? They took a, you took a, I mean they settled? Yeah, they start offering me deals once I filed the evidence into my lawsuit that basically proved that this guy was fabricating evidence against others. It strengthened my lawsuit. So,"
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"text": " Once I started filing such evidence into my case, his attorney started reaching out to me for settlement conferences and things of that nature. I was sending certain documentation to certain politicians. I sent it to Congress. I sent it to"
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"text": " the, uh, the Senate, uh, people who were supposedly, uh, overseen, uh, you know, uh, cases of government and justice and corruption, police misconduct. And so, uh, once they, they, you know, basically saw the approach that I was taking in the direction I was going with the case, you know, they didn't want that out to the public and, uh,"
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"text": " That's why it's an honor to be on your platform because, like, I was reaching out to, you know, mainstream news media, you know, places like Time Magazine, Chicago Sun Times, other mainstream news platforms, and no one would cover this. You know, it's like the story would have never been told because they try to cover up"
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"text": " you know, similar instances of injustice, you know, especially when it comes down to federal aid, they'll be more likely to reveal what a local police officer is doing, you know, but they won't be so quick to expose the actual federal agent because that actually exposes the federal government. And another thing about the lawsuit is that even with the evidence,"
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"text": " No attorney was willing to take my case as if the case didn't have no merit. And some of them was even admitting that they were, they were not willing to go up against the government, a government agent, you know, according to them, it was bad for their career. So I was forced to study the law and learn the law because no lawyer would have represented me. And some even made it seem like I didn't"
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"text": " Merit. But if I didn't have no mirror, the case would have never even been settled. And I have been dismissed, uh, years ahead of time. Like that was trying, they were trying to dismiss the case for about four years. You know, the, the case against the DEA was filed in 2017 and it was settled in, uh, 2022 last year. So that, that case,"
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"text": " Extended for five years and if it didn't have no merit or if they could have deemed it a frivolous case It would have been dismissed a long time ago probably immediately after I filed but that just shows the type of you know people who work behind mainstream media and it also shows the type of people who You know are supposed to defend the civil rights of the citizens here in America"
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"text": " You know, they, they not willing to really defend us against government corruption. So if we don't study this for ourselves, you know, they will be allowed to get away with almost anything. And then another thing like it's a blessing that platforms such as yours are started to emerge because"
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"text": " through platforms like yours, the truth could get out to the public about all the corruption that the government keeps in the dark. Otherwise mainstream media would have never covered anything like this where an actual federal agent is exposed in his documentation to prove this. You know, you can't even say that my claims are allegations anymore because"
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"text": " It has all been proven is the fact that this DEA agent Timothy P Gray to be exact fabricated evidence against me and framed me as a member of a drug trafficking organization and he did it with malicious intent and the legal term for this is vindictive prosecution and malicious prosecution because he"
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"text": " He framed me in a criminal case as a member of a drug trafficking organization after many attempts to coerce me to be an informant. And once I sued because I felt like he was trying to put my life in danger by trying to force me to be an informant, you know, two weeks after I sued him,"
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"text": " Not just for me, but I think this will open the doors for many people like me, you know, all colors, all races, because this, this is not just happened to blacks in America, maybe more so blacks are tardy, but I was locked up with a guy named Alvin Wilkinson, an older white man, and he was"
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"text": " He was one of the top fund managers in the world. He was managing billions of dollars on the stock market. He had some legal issues with Goldman Sachs, I believe they're called, and a few other major organizations. As soon as he was attempting to file complaints about the things that he was going through, they framed him in a case and said that he was"
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"text": " I appreciate it. So what was the next? So what happened? So they settled the case."
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"text": " with you. They came to you just before trial, right? Was this the one? And then they offered you something and you were like, okay, I'll, I'll take it because you know, you know, like something's better than nothing. Yeah. Well, first offer was, was 10,000 and you know, most people probably would even took that, you know, after fighting this for so long and"
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"text": " you know, everyone is basically in despair about it. Like my, my family, friends, even attorneys was basically saying that I'm wasting my time with going up against the government. They basically sat and you're not going to win. You're wasting your time. Uh, is it not going to get anywhere with this, you know? And so even though the $10,000 offer was a little or nothing, it indicated that, okay,"
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"text": " you know, get him off the way before this goes to trial because if this goes to trial, you may be awarded 10 million, you know what I mean? Right. And, uh, yeah, I actually, I actually had two lawsuits against the same agent, Tim Gray, because I sued him before he indicted me. And then after I beat the case where he was, where they were saying this guy was my worker,"
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"text": " You know, it showed that it showed false imprisonment because I had already said about a year in prison on that case alone. So once that case was dismissed, then I sued them again for false imprisonment. So by time they settled, they basically brought both lawsuits together and said, okay, we'll settle. If you will agree to dismiss both, both these lawsuits against DEA. Timothy Pete Graham."
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"text": " And at this point, he's also been implicated in corruption charges where he's talking about, it's been proven that he's talking about framing people. Yeah. They don't want that coming up in court. Yeah. One of his officers actually had him on body cam footage where he's asking the other officer,"
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"text": " All of this came out in the midst of my lawsuit. I wish it would have came out in the midst of my criminal case before I took the plea because I believe that that would have been forced to dismiss the criminal case if such evidence would have surfaced prior to me taking the plea. Right. So after that lawsuit was settled, what happened then?"
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"text": " Cause you have another lawsuit, like there were those two lawsuits and there's a third lawsuit. Absolutely. Now the third lawsuit is the one that's still pending and this lawsuit is against the federal bro of prisons. Now, while I was in custody in NCC Chicago, which is a federal holding facility, you know, unfortunately it was during the time of the"
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"text": " they made it to where we couldn't order a commissary. You know, they barely feed you in prison. So, uh, we were starving. They, they would let us out to shower. We was on, we was placed on 24 hour lockdown, you know, uh, because of the pandemic, you know, the quarantine. So they would let us out."
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"text": " for showers. They wouldn't let us make any fine calls. We couldn't call our mother, wife, children, attorney, even attorneys we weren't able to call. And there were people dying. And you know, if you listen, there was a recent fall call that came out from R. Kelly. It was recently publicized on certain YouTube channels"
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"text": " However, the recordings took place during the incidents, uh, from my lawsuit and he was crying on the call and he was saying that animals are treated better than this. Right. I'm glad that someone like him, uh, you know, I mean, I wouldn't wish that experience on no one, but it's good that someone like him who's always in the media, you know,"
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"text": " And they were like, bro, they're like, you know, then immediately they're like, you know, they do the whole intimidation thing, you know, getting the cell right now, or, you know, you're going to get thrown in the shoe. And so he's like, and they're like, look, we'll get it for you. But this is, you don't run nothing here. So you, he goes and gets in the cell. Of course they count you at four, but it's not till like four 20, four 30 till they're completely done. But then he goes up to the, Hey, it goes up to the CEO. Hey man, I need my stuff. They go like you, we'll get to it when we get to it. Well, listen, by it's after five, five 30."
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"text": " Before I had the asthma attack, bro, like I was, I was complaining. I couldn't really couldn't breathe. And I didn't know this was, this was before, uh, I actually was diagnosed with COVID. You know, when I, when I had, by the time I had the asthma attack, I had been complaining for days about not being able to breathe about how I need my inhaler. So,"
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"text": " put me in shackles and cuffs, cut my clothes off, put me inside a shoe sale. You know, you probably been to the fair. So you know about the shoe people, people don't is, is what they call the hole. You know, they put me in a hole, left me shackles and cuffs, no clothes on again, 24 hours. And it's like they, they wanted me to die. They probably thought that I was going to die because of that."
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"text": " and this is just one of the claims in my lawsuit against the bro of prisons and for anyone who wants to look up that case that case number is 22CV0550 that one is in the northern district of Illinois that one is still pending and again I'm just so grateful to be on your platform bro because"
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"text": " I would have never been able to reach the public this way, especially not through any mainstream news sites because they work with the government and anything to expose this type of government corruption especially on this level where it's costing people their lives."
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"text": " They would never allow me to reveal this type of information in the mainstream media. So again, I appreciate you for having me and allowing me to tell my story on your platform. Right. So at what stage is the lawsuit? I mean, you filed, you filed it. Have they responded yet? Yeah, that's the thing. My last hearing was May 25th."
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"text": " and basically the judge is giving the defendants another, uh, month and a half because the next hearing is July 13th. So they're giving them a little more time to respond. But in my last filings, you know, I found, uh, I forgot which federal rule of soul procedure it is to be exact. But if they don't respond by the next hearing, then,"
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"text": " The court is forced to grant me the relief that I'm asking for. And of course, my life was jeopardized. So I'm probably going to ask for maybe $10 million for that. So is there anything that you feel like we haven't touched on? Not much. It's just, you know, being in the feds, you know, and studying the law, I was one of the guys who"
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"text": " we are forced to study the law for ourselves in order to defend our civil rights. And this case, you know, uh, best one thing that I probably should cover. Like this case is not just about civil rights. You know, this goes into, uh, the international jurisdiction because you know, with such inhumane living conditions, it violates our human rights, which makes it, uh,"
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"text": " a international claim. And so I did file also in the international court of justice, which is the world court. And it deals with the United nations because you know, the America has jurisdiction only over civil rights, you know, and constitutional rights. So once they start to violate our human rights, we have the human right to"
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"text": " take our claims outside that jurisdiction and bring it into the world court. So now it comes down to this similar claims to what Ukraine filed against Russia, you know, because now our human rights are at stake. And again, we don't have, we really don't have"
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"text": " anyone over here is really defending our civil rights. You know, we, we, we really have to like take a stand and study the law for ourselves because we can't really rely on, uh, attorneys because most attorneys and I'm going to say 98% of them based on my own experience are not willing to defend us when it comes down to the government."
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"text": " Yes, they may defend us against a local police or whatever. But when it comes down to government agents and certain politicians, when they violate our rights, there's really no attorneys who are willing to take a stand and defend us. So we have to really defend ourself. And if it wasn't for, again, platforms like such as yours, and if it wasn't for people like me who took time to"
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"text": " Well, you know, it's, it's funny. You mentioned that I have a buddy who is locked up. His name's Donovan Davis, black guy."
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"text": " He so he is a heavy equipment Operator and mechanic so he can fix diesel engines and heavy and hydraulic systems and and all kinds of the you're a massive machine that you pay hundreds of dollars an hour for to hire a mechanic He also does his family and he grew up doing this They do grading where they they grade, you know"
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"text": " large swaths of land, they cut trees down, that whole thing, right? Though he works at facilities in the camp at Coleman. Coleman is the largest federal complex in the nation and it's an hour north of Tampa. So when it came down to COVID, do you remember the getting released in the CARES Act where they're releasing inmates?"
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"text": " 50% of your time completed, nonviolent, you have an out custody status, right? He's at a camp. You have, so you meet those requirements. And if you're, if you have a high probability of being, um, high probability of being susceptible to COVID,"
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"text": " You have asthma, you have obesity, you use a CPAP machine, you have any of those things. So he has all of them. Here's the thing, he's in there for a white collar crime. White collar crime, never been in trouble before, made the mistake of going to trial though. Got 17 years, but he had half of his sentence complete. Now here's the thing, you have"
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"text": " 7, 8, 9, 10, 15 guys with very similar charges as him. Right? Like wire fraud, like white collar guys, guys that ran Ponzi schemes. Um, those guys all got released and there's actually, I have a list of the names of them. They all got released. So there's twofold to this problem. One, all of these people were released. Same criteria as Donovan. They were all white."
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"text": " Donovan is a black guy. And here's the other thing. Donovan clears all the lots around the prisons. There's five prisons in Coleman. He fixes all the equipment. He fixes the equipment so well, they're shipping equipment from other institutions to Florida to be repaired. They put, they throw, they throw all their stuff on a truck. They ship it down here because guess what? Donovan gets paid."
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"text": " $4 a day, $1.15 an hour or whatever that comes to, $6, $7 a day, $8 a day, or you pay somebody $250 an hour to work on your hydraulic equipment and your diesel equipment and your forklifts and he does it for almost nothing. Nothing. He does it for a cup of coffee a day at Starbucks. He'll save you. He just cleared all of the trees on the tree lines around the prisons"
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"text": " That's a hundred thousand dollar job. Like literally, I got a copy of his, his wife sent me a copy of his, um, his, uh, his report from his counselors. He'd saved them over a million dollars in the last like four years. They said the warden loves of everybody who thinks he's, you're saving us tons of money. You're doing great. You're doing great. He gets to drive around in the truck around the perimeter by himself. He gets everything. But when it came time to releasing him,"
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"text": " He didn't get released. Why would you release a guy that saving you hundreds of thousands of dollars a year? Why would you release him? He meets the criteria. So during this whole thing, when this whole thing was going on, when they were trying to get him released and they kept denying him, he got denied, uh, like I think three times. And every time they came up with some other reason he's a, he's a, um,"
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"text": " You know, he, uh, he, uh, he's a risk to the public. Really? He's a white collar risk to the public. You have him in a camp. He's in a fucking camp, bro. If I'm, there's no fence. I can leave anytime I want. I could say, Hey honey, pick me up on the street, jump in the car and drive off. So how he's got his custody level zero. Like he's got like his, you know, risk level is. It's like zero. He's at a camp, um, more than 50% of his time, asthmatic, OB overweight, um, obese."
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"text": " Use of the CPAP machine all of the problems. Oh, he also has diabetes. I Don't release him. Why would they all these other guys got released? They were fine Most of them didn't even have medical conditions, but they serve 50% of their time. They were nonviolent They say they got home. So during the course of this whole thing his lawyer filed and said like cuz let's face it if you know the law and"
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"text": " Him being turned down doesn't mean anything. The only way he really has a right to sue is because if you're if you're discriminating against him because he's Jewish, you know, race, religion, what he's saying, I'm suing because, you know, I'm black. And they said, Oh, that's not true. That's not what's happening. He said, really, I want a list of the"
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"text": " of the race of everybody that was released. The BOP is refusing to give them that list. They're saying, we don't keep tabs on that. What are you talking about? You keep tabs. You know exactly who was released and what color they are. You can't look up an inmate without knowing what color he is. When I go to look up inmate finder by punching, you punch in Matt Cox. It says there's only three things they want to know."
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"text": " What's his name? What's his race? And he's the, uh, what's his sex? That's it. So you know what race these guys are. I think they're, they're huge fear. And then what their lawyer is afraid, thinks they're afraid of is that when they do that list, that is, it is going to be astronomically disproportionate to the true race that should have been released."
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"text": " It should be at least close to equal. I'll bet you 95% of the people that were released from prison were white. I have a buddy who writes for Forbes magazine, who's been on this whole thing. And he also ordered a freedom of information act. He said they won't give it to him either. And his whole thing is his name is Walt Pablo. He said that we were talking and he goes, he said, Matt, he said, you know, I've helped like 40 people, 50 people get released."
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"text": " And I said, okay. He said, they weren't all white. I said, really? He said, no, no. Two of them were Spanish. Two Spanish guys, all white guys, none, no black guys. He said, I have another buddy who got released. His name is, uh, I would call them Zach. Zach helped something like 10 or 15 people. And he said, you know what? He said, out of all the people I helped, he said, I think only two of the two of them were black guys that got out."
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"text": " That actually got it. Everybody else was white. He said, so, I mean, so anyway, Donovan's, you know, filing a lawsuit, they're fighting, they're arguing there. No, no, no, but think about it. So there's two, two things here. One, they weren't letting out a lot of black guys and two, why would you release this guy? He's saving you millions, millions of dollars. You're not going to get another guy like this. Think about it."
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"text": " You're not going to get a guy with that type of skill set who can be in a camp and be allowed to drive around and do all these things by himself. That's rare commodity and it's worth millions. Why release them? They will use you up, chew you up and spit you out. You know that, they don't give a fuck. And this is the thing about the BOP, just about government in general."
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"text": " If people think, Oh, well, no, I want a big government. No, the government cares about you. Let me tell you something. When you give the government absolute power, they will treat you just like they treat those inmates because they have absolute power, absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. And there's no, there's, there's no repercussions to how they can treat you. They'll treat you however they want to treat you. And if you think that you think they won't, you're fucking crazy."
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"text": " Like if the government gets too, too big, which is already too big, this is how they treat you like an inmate. You know, I mean, so you've seen it. You're you're you're fighting right now. You're only fighting because you're bright enough to fight. Most people aren't. And people can't write a motion. And I actually explained that to my lawsuit. I mean, there were people like one of my cellmates, he really couldn't read."
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"text": " you know, it was sad because his case was so bogus, but he don't know nothing about the law and he can't even really find out unless, you know, somebody like us who could point things out and tell it because he couldn't read. And that's, that's the case. That's the case for us. Like I don't, again, I don't know what you know or think about R Kelly, but,"
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"text": " He's another inmate. You know, now I know what the public has been programmed to think about him, but I was incarcerated with him in all the same unit for a while. This guy can't read and I don't want to say he a total dummy because I probably couldn't. I mean, he's a genius when it comes to, uh, producing good music, but I made, he doesn't know which way to go. He don't,"
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"text": " know which way to turn. He can't read his case like he has the first case in history to where he was indicted on a one man RICO. You know the RICO was really meant for organizations. Yeah for for mobs basically you know I mean so that in itself is is is just it's just ironic and speaking of"
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"text": " Like the cares. I was, I was still incarcerated when, uh, William Barr, uh, mandated that now, uh, I was letter sent to Gilmer, West Virginia. And I don't know if you familiar with, uh, who Terry Flannery is, but his, uh, he's known by Southwest T, uh, his brother name is Demetrius Flannery. He's known as Big Meach. Oh yeah. Yeah."
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"text": " 50 Cent recently put out like a series about their story. Okay. So now when I, by the time I made it to Gilbert West Virginia, Southwest T had just left and he left because he was granted a compassionate release, you know, based on the CARES Act. So,"
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"text": " You know, I went to the law library, you know, I looked, I looked up his, his case printed out some things, you know, basically to use, cause I, I had, I had been denied twice already for compassionate release, but it's like, okay, if he was granted this and I'm, I know his case way better than mine. He could send us to 30 years or, uh, what they call the criminal enterprise. Yeah."
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"text": " cc uh it was uh what is it uh cce continuous criminal enterprise basically like rico yeah cce so there were there was violence and everything on his case now again my case it was a drug case but there was possession of 90 grams which was never even fought on beat but it's non-violent and you know uh one of the criteria's was that"
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"text": " You can't be a violent offender. So, okay, I'm not a violent offender. I'm medically compromised. I have asthma. And I did a certain amount of my time. You know, like, why was I denied? You know what I'm saying? And how was his graded? Because, I mean,"
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"text": " We filed under the exact same thing. He actually has violence in his case. You know what I mean? So I mean, yes, they, they do discriminate against people or racially, but I didn't understand that either because I was seeing people get granted compassionate release who actually had cases like robbery. You know, so I really just, I really just don't understand the system. Really don't."
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"text": " So, you know, out of, I want to say, I don't know how many people it is, be honest. I think it's like 10 or 15,000. Do you know there, there's only like less than half a dozen guys that got new, new charges that were released. Less than half of that six guys that got new charges. So think about that. You could release, if you could release 10 or 12,000 guys and put them on ankle monitors and have them go work."
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"text": " They don't cost you anything."
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"text": " Put them on an ankle monitor, go to work. He only gets to go to work and come home, go to the grocery store and go to church and come home, like that's it. So you're telling me that you can release 10, 12,000 guys and monitor them. What the fuck do we have those guys in prison for then? If you can do that with those guys, why are they in prison? Why were they in prison to begin with? They're obviously, and now they're all contributing. Now they're all paying taxes."
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"text": " They're all paying sales tax, property taxes, income taxes, and it's not costing you 32,000 a year. So now what, now what's happening, you're saving 15 grand a year by having them on an ankle monitor and out of like 10, 10,000 guys, six of them over the course of two years got new charges. I think two dozen of them actually like got thrown back in jail. Like, like they did something like, you know,"
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"text": " ran off with their girlfriend and for the weekend didn't, you know, whatever, you know, they do stupid stuff. They violated. I'm talking about new charge. A violation is just stupid. That's not a new chart. That's not a criminal charge. It doesn't hurt anybody. But that, but the inmate, I'm talking about new charges, like six guys got new charges and they were minor charges. These aren't like they murdered somebody. These are guys that like they sold drugs out of their house or something like, okay, so what?"
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"text": " And they got another charge and they got violated and they went back to prison. They got an extra two years and that's it. So, so what are you doing? You see what I'm saying? Like that's hundreds of millions. Like you add 50, you add that up 50,000 times like the 12 or however many thousand guys that got released times two, two, two, three, four, five years, you're saving hundreds of thousands or what?"
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"text": " Millions millions of dollars every single year Why are why are with they in prison? Not not even to mention the the astronomical length of guys sentences like the same sentence that you would get in almost any country in Europe You get six months two years here. You get ten fifteen years It like and you know this like the only reason that makes sense is money That's it money in politics"
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"text": " So, so, I mean, I, I hear you, like, I, I definitely believe the system is extremely, you know, unjust. Um, but listen, um, what can you think of anything else that we didn't touch on or that. Well, speaking on the money issues, uh, you know, just in closing, like what I discovered about the system, like you, you just mentioned the disparity of"
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"text": " how much time we get in America versus most other countries. Now, what I didn't realize is that, uh, once we are sentenced, uh, a bid by is established, which, uh, goes on the stock market basically, and people can invest into that. And a lot of people, you know, a lot of rich, powerful people invest into the prison system that way."
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"text": " They make money off interest as long as you sit in prison. So if we could sentence these guys with big bonds with a 10 year duration versus a 2 year duration then that makes more money for the investors."
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"text": " I mean, it's, it's crazy. It, it confused a lot of people who don't understand, but it's definitely based on money. And it would be being a rap artists. I also want to explain how, you know, the most of the people who, you know, how their money invested in the music industry, particular hip hop music, you know, they all,"
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"text": " the major record labels who own the labels that people think are major labels and they are more significantly invested in the prison industry than anything. And it, it goes hand in hand. Like if we could, uh,"
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"text": " If we can saturate the market through these artists with music that's basically influencing their culture to kill each other and sell drugs, then that increases the chances that a lot of people, more people will start going to jail and killing because we glorify murder now. We glorify selling drugs. We glorify robbery. This is getting into their heads. It's influencing them to want to,"
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"text": " kill everybody they get into it with influencing them to want to sell drugs so they can have the biggest chains on to impress these girls and so now we have them you know on the market they're involved in the drug trade they're killing and so it's a revolving cycle now you know we're influencing them to commit crimes and once they commit crimes"
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"text": " we make money off when they commit crime and we also making money off of the music this influence everybody to make crime. So I just want to, uh, just want to close on that note. And again, thanks a lot for having me. I mean, you, you're a blessing to, to, uh, a lot more people than you probably are aware of because you know, uh, the way that the government is set up, you know,"
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"text": " You know, we, we call it the trap in our culture because it's like we trapped into committing crimes. Like I don't want to justify anything that anyone does, including myself. But when you grow up in poverty and you look up to rappers who influence you to sell drugs and kill, because this, this is all, you know, you, your, your parents are probably not even suitable."
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"text": " to raise you properly because they probably either sell drugs themselves or they probably drug abusers, dolphins, crackheads themselves. So how are they going to guide you out of that lifestyle and keep you from falling into that trap? You know, you have good people like I'm not perfect. I don't think anyone was ever considered perfect other than Jesus, but you have good people who"
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"text": " just make such mistakes and then they make such people look like the worst people on the planet. You know what I mean? Like I looked in even to you a little bit. I see the, uh, if I'm not mistaken, you were, uh, uh, incarcerated yourself for like $55 million of fraud or something like that. Right. You know, and it's crazy because rather you did that or not,"
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"text": " you know, the people behind the scenes who control the government commit crimes far worse than anything that you ever did that you was ever convicted of and things far more than I was ever convicted for. But again, you know, uh, people like you and I are technically like blacklisted. You know, they don't want us to get these."
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"text": " This type of message out to the masses. So again, I salute you for having this platform and thank you for having me and allowing me to tell my story. Sure. No problem. I appreciate you coming on. Yeah. I used to say the BOP wants me to work at Walmart when I get out, right? Like that's, that's all they want from you. Work at Walmart, go get a job at Walmart or McDonald's. That's all they want. They don't, they don't want to see you get out and do something. Not all that."
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"text": " I just had a hearing hearing to get off papers early and she said, uh, you need to work at nine to five. She's not, she's not satisfied with my proof of income. And this is, this is the only reason why she denied me. I don't have any violations, but they denied me because proof of income. Uh, well your book wrote, she doesn't show that you were occupied. Your music stream doesn't show that you were occupied the events and I'm explaining to her, look,"
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"text": " I, you know, you want me to work eight hours a day, but sometimes I work 12 hours a day writing books or writing songs or being in the studio. But you, you want me to work for Walmart or McDonald's because I'm working for myself. You're not satisfied with it. Even if you're making more money doing that, they don't want that."
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"text": " I just don't see them wanting people to be successful when they get out. They say they do because it sounds good, but they don't do anything to help encourage that. What they help encourage is for you to go get a job at Walmart or Amazon or go work at FedEx or go work it. That's what they want you to do. Work 60, 70 hours a week."
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"text": " That and be, you know, work from nine until six or seven, go home, go to sleep, watch Netflix, go to bed, wake up the next morning, do it again. That's what we want. This is Matt Cox and I appreciate you guys checking out the video. And if you like the video, do me a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell. So you get notified of videos like this. Also, please share the video and leave me a comment in the comment section. It really does help. Thank you very much for watching and I will see you."
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