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This is part two of my conversation with Thomas Campbell, who is the author of My Big Toe, A Large Theory of Everything. Please watch part one in order to get the most out of this interview. Enjoy.
Oh yeah, I wanted to ask you specifically about your experiences when you spoke to other beings. How did they look? How did you interact? And how did you get into that state? A couple of questions around that. Okay. And then if, if this, if different devices can be used, I remember you mentioned that you can induce it with certain magnetic resonances like theta waves. Uh, no, not magnetic.
One of the things I should have told you is that if you're interested in a talk about
What year was that, you said?
Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. I was watching one on the Marcel workshop. Yeah, that's a real general over the top kind of workshop. But if you're just looking for the science to the Marseille, that was in France. So it was in Marseille, France. And that was a that's a very good workshop that kind of gives you the the, you know, the theory, you have quite a bit of content on your YouTube channel. I have
over 1000 hours. Yeah, basically. Who's that? There's one lady that keeps talking to you and it's the same voice. Who's that voice? Donna, Donna Aveni. Is that the same lady I was speaking to over email? Or is that a different? Probably the same lady. She's, she and Keith, her husband Keith run MBT events. She's got a really good voice. Yeah, very soft, very, it's a kind of the perfect female.
Soothing, pacifying. Did you happen to watch Eric Weinstein? Do you have much to comment on with regard to his theory of everything? Oh, yeah, both of them. Yeah, I did. I looked at both of those guys and I can comment on those. Okay, so why don't I just give you a general
Well, of the two, I found Wolfram's to be the most interesting to me. Weinstein basically has found a geometry that, at least in his own mind, in the mind of a few people who are close to him, explains a lot of things.
And that's not particularly surprising, but it's not necessarily new news either, inasmuch as given that this is a virtual reality, then the reality is computed, which means it in large extent is math-based. The rule set that allowed this virtual reality to evolve is math-based. It's basically deterministic for the most part, and with some probability and randomness
thrown in for those things that are probabilistic, like radioactive decay. You know, it's a natural thing. It just happens to be a random process. So if you have a reality that's generated by math, then you ought to be able to find geometries and other math that kind of look like they are explaining the reality, you know, as Einstein did with his, with his space time.
It doesn't mean that those things are fundamental. It doesn't mean that there is this fundamental space time out there that's warped. It just means that he's found some mathematics that provides answers that match pretty well with measurements, right? So it's not so much that it's a thing as it is a model. It's a model that we use, but don't confuse the model with reality. The model of reality is different.
So he's come up now, Einstein, it seems, with some other geometry. Of course, we don't really know because no paper's ever been published. It's never been formalized. It's kind of his insider friends know somewhat about it, and he does, but it's still an unpublished work, which in the science world, that means it doesn't really exist yet. You know, it's just kind of the ramblings of an individual until he gets it published. It's not real science.
But assuming he does have something and he is a smart guy and he knows his math, perhaps then he probably does have something there that will work. But again, not surprising. It's a math based reality. It's computed in a computer. So it's probably going to have, and it is a probabilistic computation for the most, for the most part, based on a deterministic rule set.
so that's okay maybe he has something maybe he doesn't hasn't been published but not unexpected has my big toe your big toe been published at least the theory of everything part of it not the more well any of it yeah no the what's been published is is the books you're reading those three books have been published other than that there's a thousand hours of video on on youtube you know but as far as papers go there's just been one
paper that's published in a peer review physics journal. And that's the one that describes this research that I'm having done. I told you about it at Pomona by Cal Poly. Okay, so first, I wrote the paper and got it peer reviewed and probably his last name is Polly. No, no, no, it's, it's a
It's Cal Poly is what they call the school. It's California Polytech. I see, I see. Cal Poly. Same exclusion principle. Not a poly, but a poly, a P-O-L-Y. Anyway, so there's not really a lot to say about Weinstein because it's more hearsay than anything else. It's secondhand, thirdhand hearsay.
But not all that surprising. Now Wolfram has a better idea, and that's that he's looking at it from the computing side of things, which it is a computed reality. So you should, again, expect some of what he has to match. If you look at simulations, there's a lot of common things about them. So again, it's not too hard to find something that matches pretty well. But
His version seems to be very complicated. It's a very complicated process, and reality, if you are trying to explain fundamental reality, then a good process should be simple,
and elegant. It shouldn't be real complicated. If it's very complicated, it's probably not fundamental. It's probably something else. That's basically Okham's razor, and it's been a general principle of physics forever. You know, the things that are simple, straightforward and elegant are fundamental things. Yes, you can have a lot of logical, you know,
What do we call logical consequences that run off into details? No doubt, but the fundamental things are simple. He's awfully complex with what he does, and I guess I probably wouldn't have this opinion except that Brian Whitworth, a fellow in New Zealand, has also published a sort of a tow from the computer side.
As opposed from the analytic math side, like Weinstein, the computer side, process side of things. And his is a lot simpler. And he also, um, it's a lot more elegant and it's a lot simpler. And he also does the same thing. He derives, you know, space, mass, uh, the, uh, the, what is it? The quantum quantum particles, why they have two thirds spin.
why, you know, whatever he, he, he derives a lot of constants in the standard model and why the standard model is the way it is. Oh, that's been out for some years. It's a, you have to Google him. He published it in a peer review paper. Uh, but I don't think it was primarily a physics journal. So there's probably, I see there's probably, uh, fewer people that have heard about it.
But it's a it's a it's a more elegant kind of similar approach. Are there any other theories of everything that you find interesting like Brian's? No, Brian's is probably the most well, yeah, two of them. There's two that are very interesting. One's Brian's. Last name of Brian one more time for me if you don't mind. Whitworth. Okay.
Brian Whitworth, if you Google him, you'll probably dig him up and you'll see he explains light. And he starts with the thing that he calls a plank process. So he's a, he's a, you know, there's more Sean beast mode Lynch prize pick is making sport season even more fun on projects where the
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He's a math guy, but he's also an IT guy, so he's looking at computer processing.
His plank process is a is a is a fundamental thing. So anyway, so this is his idea. The other people who are doing interesting work is a group called quantum gravity, centered in, oh, I don't know, about 20 miles north of Los Angeles. And
If you research quantum, if you just put the quantum gravity research on a Google, you'll get them. And the guy who runs that is Klee Erwin. All right, right. Klee Erwin. Yeah, he runs the quantum gravity. And he's got a bunch of physicists and some math people there. And he they've been there for five or 10 years now. And Klee is the financier who pays all the bills.
So he's been working on this and they've put some really nice videos together that if you want to get a good overview of it, he has some really good professionally done videos that kind of explain where he's going with. Also, it's a geometry. I mean, he starts with E8, which is kind of a shadow of a lattice, if you like.
and he works from there. Now, both of these guys, Whitworth and Klee, they are trying to explain just what we call physical reality. They're not trying to explain the bigger picture. They're not trying to explain the subjective. They only want to explain the objective world. Do they have an account of consciousness or no? Well, they do.
Both of them talk about consciousness, but it's kind of a hand-waving thing. You know, both of them would say that consciousness is fundamental, and that their process is supportive of consciousness being, you know, a fundamental thing. So I think they would both say that, and consciousness is part of their thing, but it's not
really what they're about what they're really about isn't so much consciousness they just realize that consciousness is the thing that you know if you're going to have a child you need to explain consciousness you know so they bring so consciousness is there but it's not the core thing of their work the core thing of their work is to explain this physical universe you see so again you know if all you're trying to do is is is try to
join quantum mechanics and relativity, maybe I should call that a tiny toe. And what they're doing is looking at the whole physical reality, the whole physical universe, so maybe that's just a little toe. And then mine is basically, you know, the objective and the subjective, and consciousness is at the core, you know, is the source and so on.
So then from my viewpoint, that's the big toe because it also talks about people's experiences and explains those sorts of things, which neither one of their models attempts to do. So both of them started out on a, on a idea to really derive physics, you know, derive physics from, well, for Whitworth, you know, from a computer processing viewpoint. And I'd say he's much simpler and much more elegant
And that's why I like his better. But now are any of these fundamentally correct? Well, they're models, you know, and models are judged not by how correct they are. Models are judged by how many answers they can produce. You know, there is no, no, this model is the truth and this model is false. It's models provide answers.
And if they can answer, if they can derive all the facts that we know of, then they're good models. And if they can falsifiable predictions, yeah, right, right. And falsifiable predictions, then they're good models. So it doesn't matter whether they're different or strange or bizarre or whatever. It just matters. How do they perform? What science, sorry for some of the science types who are listening and now probably it's about three and a half hours into this. What is
a falsifiable prediction or set of predictions that your big toe has? Oh, well, it has quite a few. On the non-physical side or on the information side, the subjective side, then it's all experimental, but by individuals and by groups of individuals. You know, the same way you would say that medicine has viability
The medicine has truths in it. It's the same thing. Well, you give somebody a pill and their headache goes away. Does that mean that pill took the headache away? No, maybe the headache went away anyway. You need to do statistics and you need to do probability and then you need to show significance of those statistics before you can say that you found something that looks like a fact. So it's a different thing than what they call the hard sciences. So when you're doing things that have to do with people,
you have to look at your proof in terms of statistics and probabilities and significance levels. If you or anybody else follows the MBT ideas about what's important to life, what our purpose is here, why we're here, and so on, you will find the results.
As you let go of that fear, you will find your life changing, your relationships will change, all sorts of things will change. Well, that's verifiable evidence to you. So yes, there's a lot of verifiable evidence there, but it's individual because we're talking about a subjective world. So it's individual to persons. Now you can look at a hundred persons that do that and see, you know,
do 50% or 90% or 100% all find similar facts. And then you can come up to a bigger ensemble that your statistics can talk about, but it starts with the individuals. Over on the physics side, on the objective side, well, yeah, I'm doing a set of quantum mechanics experiments now that are just as
You know, just like any other quantum mechanics experiment, you set up the experiments, you look at the particles to see what happens and you're either right or you're wrong. You were able to predict it or you won't. So the physics that I'm doing has a couple of experiments that will do things that have never been done before. It'll show us a piece of reality that nobody's really seen before.
In other words, people for the last hundred years have been coming up with clever and clever quantum mechanics experiments to show the weird science of quantum mechanics. Well, the ones I'm coming up with are just like that, too. They're going to show the weird science. And that weird science has a good explanation of why it has to work that way. And like I said before, it'll offer evidence. And we always talk about evidence. We don't talk about proof in science.
Last time we talked about proof in science was when we came up with Newton's laws, and then we found out those laws weren't laws after all. So now we talk about theory because we realize that we don't know what the future will bring, what kind of insights and understandings that will bring. Is there a name for your quantum mechanics experiments that are happening at that Pauli Institute? Just a name for them? No, but they're all talked about. What can people search for?
That's just the thing I gave you go to YouTube and look for MBT LA MBT hyphen LA 2016. If you look for that, I introduced the experiments there. The whole set of them. I also explain them why they work and how they work. And the food experiments have been run already. They are in the process of being run. And we're maybe within
months, a few months of getting the answers from the very first one. So we're, we're chugging, we're chugging on it. It took a long time to gather resources. You can't do that on a dime. I mean, it's not the kind of experiments it's easy to do in your basement. It's pretty sensitive stuff and takes some money to do the experiment. So first I did a Kickstarter,
To get the experiments done and Kickstarter generated $236,000 to do the experiments. And we've been working on those ever since, you know, so it's taken a while to find people who would do them. A lot of scientists. Well, a few scientists really started and said, Oh yeah, be glad to do them. You're going to pay for it. Great.
But when they heard the word consciousness was somehow connected to it, no thank you, we don't want to get involved with that. Consciousness, that's not objective, that's subjective, and science isn't about subjective things, so we just do science here, no thank you. So we ran into a lot of that. So it took us quite a while before we found a group of people who would do it, and now it's being done, and we're getting close to the first answer. But the
the niftiest experiments are more complicated so they'll be done not first but later but they all are going to run out of the same basic set of equipment that we have so once we get the first one gone the other ones will start to come up a lot more quickly after that so anyway so yeah that is falsifiable that's just science like any science and when we do this we will write another paper and we will give our results and i'm sure that will also be published in a peer review journal because
Physics right now doesn't see virtual reality, or I should say more in physics terms, doesn't see information-based reality as a really strange idea. A lot of physics takes that very seriously. Matter of fact, they know that that's the only way they can get right answers in quantum mechanics, is that they look at it as information-based. So that'll be published in another peer-reviewed paper once we get the information. So yeah, we're doing science.
Congratulations i know it's not easy to get even a thousand dollars on kickstarter let alone 260 that's 236 236 236 so yeah we did pretty well there were a whole lot of people who
we're very excited about that get that done because it's it's very interesting you know it's going to show something that this experiment predicts that standard quantum mechanics doesn't predict yes matter of fact this very first experiment we're doing runs very counter to what quantum mechanics says is true right now so absolutely can you give us a brief overview or you just want to direct people well the brief lecture no the brief overview of that is that
Klein Mechanics started back in the early 1920s. Okay. And the guys there, you know, Bohr, Heisenberg, Wigner, well, Einstein was, was, you know, involved with them. He wasn't primary in that, but so on that, that group of people, Schrodinger, those guys came up with in a big conference in Copenhagen.
Kind of a statement of the results of their experience. This was like the founding of quantum mechanics. So this is what started quantum mechanics. And after that, this explanation of here's what happened is really what the Copenhagen meeting was all about presenting results. And here's what it means. Here's what it says. And that then was called the Copenhagen
Interpretation. The word interpretation actually got added later when people wanted to find something that was more materialist based. They didn't like the weirdness of quantum mechanics. They wanted something that wasn't that weird. So it turned into interpretation because certainly there is some other
understanding of this that's more materialism based, has more material causality involved in it, and we just don't know it yet, so it was the Copenhagen interpretation. That Copenhagen interpretation has been kind of left behind, and now the explanation of that double slit has to do with entanglement.
that the slits are entangled with the particle and the whole experiment is all entangled with each other. And this is why, you know, this is how the information gets captured. It gets captured in this entangled thing. And so they've, they've changed it in order to make it more amenable to materialism. Basically their ideas have changed, but nobody's actually done the experiments to see if that's true.
So I looked and looked and looked and I had some physicists who, you know, working physicists in academia who had access to more than I had to search. You know, they have better databases in their libraries and things to search. They couldn't find any experiments done either. Any experiments on entanglement? No, not on entanglement, on the change where we went from the Copenhagen to the new understanding.
there wasn't any experiments done really to show that that new understanding added something valuable and that Copenhagen was not correct. They just went that way because they had an explanation that they liked better. So that seems kind of neglectful, I believe. And the reason I got there was because my explanation that comes out of consciousness basically supports Copenhagen.
and says that the Copenhagen had the right idea. Now they didn't understand the details, they didn't understand the mechanics of how it worked, but what they said about reality and how their experiments worked out and why they worked that way was true. So my first experiment is to go back and do the experiment that will differentiate between was Copenhagen right or is this new entanglement
explanation right, and that should be perfectly clear. Now, what do I expect? I expect that the Copenhagen is right, and when I show that in an experiment, I expect that the physicist, when they look at it in the paper, will say, oh, yeah, well, we knew that all along, and they will do that, but yet they have turned and
made other explanations that are quite contrary to that. But that's what they all used to think. The Copenhagen was the dominant idea right up until 20 years ago, or 30 years ago. That was the dominant, most accepted idea about quantum mechanics. But then they've always had problems with that
idea, you know, with the observer effect, with the measurement problem, with the fact that it makes a difference whether somebody knows about the which way data. They've always had an issue with that because that pulls consciousness into the equation, the observer. And being very ill at ease with that, they found a way to squeeze that out using entanglement instead. But
This is a virtual reality. The reality exists only in the minds of the players. Just like World of Warcraft, there is no place where little elves run around and fight barbarians. It doesn't really exist. It only exists in the minds of the players. If there are no players logged on, that server serves nothing, has no output.
The game only exists in the minds of the players. Well, if the game only exists in the minds of the players, then it's important that a player get the in some information because that's how things come into that reality. The server sends a player and says, there's a rock here. Well, when that player sees that rock there, then that rock is now part of the game and other players will see that rock there too.
But it's only that rock only exists because players get that rock in their information, right? Because the computer sends it to them. Well, that's why you have this observe for effect.
it only reality only comes to us when it is observed when a player gets the information so that's the fundamental reason why there is this measurement problem in this observer effect the observer is fundamentally important because the reality only exists in the minds of the players so
I get to the same idea that the Copenhagen group did, and since then, like I say, physics left that idea behind, because consciousness and physics was like gasoline and water, or oil and water. They didn't like it, so they came up with something else, but they came up with that something else without… In other words, we have an alternative explanation, but that alternative explanation doesn't
You know, kind of denies this observer effect, and I'm going to show that it does work the way that they said about it before. So my experiments should confirm the Copenhagen and show that the entanglement way of explaining it is wrong. Is not right. So that's, that's what they're going to do. So yeah, it's going to, you know, so that'll be the first experiment. That's the easiest experiment to do.
Good luck with that. I'm excited to see the results. This theory is not just woo-woo that's made up because it sounds good and only people with weak minds and new-agers take it seriously. This is real science and it's based on logic. It does real physics and it can explain to you why you feel the way you do.
When you were speaking to some of the other beings, I don't know what to call them, but what would you call them? The generic name is entity.
Okay. Now, so what you're talking about, I'll just show you what, you know, I'll tell you how that works and then everything else will become obvious afterwards. The problem that people have and probably that you're having too, is that because you have, you're so ingrained with a kind of a physical viewpoint of things, it's really hard to let that go.
And we reinterpret everything in terms of that context, and then it doesn't make sense. So here goes the explanation of, you know, when you meet other things, most out of body experiences are basically the person having the experience logs on to a single player virtual reality game.
Okay. You know, there are single player games, right? All games aren't multiplayer. You know, what is it when you're having your own experience? Yeah, you're having an experience. Now, when you have a single player game, there's often other characters, other entities in that game. It's not like you're there by yourself. There's NPCs in that game, and they do all kinds of things.
Okay. And you, your interaction with them is part of how you learn how to win the game. It's about you and them and, and your skills and so on. Well, most out of bodies are single player games. So you're getting a data stream now directly from the larger consciousness system. And that, that data stream is defining a reality.
Real single player game is this one that can be shared with other people, even though it's single player. For example, let's take fallout four. It's a game, the video game. Many people can play that same game, even though it's single player. So we're sharing a similar experience, but we're doing it on our own. Yes, that can be like that. But these games are often made just for that individual. They're bespoke there. Yeah, I don't know about that bespoke.
Bespoke, they're tailor-made. They're tailor-made. Yeah, they're tailor-made most of the time. Now there are things that happen in those games and sometimes there are experiences that people have that are identical. It's like they've taken a module here and they've applied it a lot of places. I've had a matter of fact in my book, if you've read that, Bob Monroe and I had exactly the same set of experiences. That's why I was wondering, can it be shared? Because it seemed like you spoke to similar beings. At least they asked similar questions.
Well, no, what that was, was a standardized test. Bob got that test. I got that test. We, you get tests here from the larger consciousness system. Why? Because it would have to see this whole, this whole thing that ties together. We're pieces of consciousness. We're trying, we are parts of the system. As we evolve by lowering our entropy, the system entropy also gets lowered because we're part of the system.
So the system would like us to succeed in lowering entropy because it's lowered. You know, it also evolves as we evolve. It's entropy gets lowered as well. So it will often give us a single player game to help us learn something important to help us grow up.
Sometimes it needs to give us some tests to see just where we are, because otherwise it can't determine what it is we need to help us grow up if it doesn't know kind of where we are in that growth process. So testing is involved just like any other school. And some of these tests are standardized. So Bob got one, I got the same test, got exactly the same questions exactly in the same order. And I have run into at least six other people
that I have shared tests with not the same one that I did with Bob, but others and we could just share what happened and it was exactly the same scenario. So it's like we all had the if you want to put it in other language, we all had the same dream.
you know, and we interacted with it, how we interacted with it, but the layout was all exactly the same. So some of it, yes, will show up to different people, but mostly it's a one-off. It's for that person, depending on where they are, starting at their level and gives them challenges with things that they have to meet, with ways that they have to grow. So most out-of-body is like that.
Now, I went on an out-of-body with a friend of mine, Dennis and I. I mentioned him already, I think, earlier. We went on an out-of-body together. So that was a two-player game. And we ran into other entities and had conversations and did other things during that, but that was a two-player game. So that's possible, and two is possible, and three or four or five or ten is possible.
but most of that just happens in the margins because that gets more complicated and it requires more, more scale. So basically they're one off. So when you go to another reality frame, you're getting another data stream. Information defines reality. Consciousness is fundamental. Everything else is virtual.
So when you die, you end up in another virtual reality, a different virtual reality. You don't end up at the source. And now you and consciousness are sitting down at a bar together, having a conversation. You don't end up in some place where everybody's smart. You just go to another virtual reality. Now to take that one step further, if
Any space that you're in is experiential. That means you can experience there. It's not a matter of just existing, but you can do things. There's causality. You know, things you can change. You can have an experience there. If you can have an experience there, it's a virtual reality. Experience requires context. You can't have an experience if there's no context that defines the experience. Context is created by rules.
rules create the context. You know, like if I just say, okay, Kurt, let's go play a game. All right, you go first, go. Well, you don't know what to do, because there's no context. There's no rules, right? So there's no game, right? Can spontaneously emerge, right? For example, with children, when they play, they often don't specify the rules and they come up with the game. Yeah, it's a collective agreement. But now we can talk about collective consciousness and other sorts of things.
but let's try to stay focused. We zinged around so much that we start down this path and get about a third of the way there and zing we go someplace else and get about a third away there and zing someplace else. So anyway, your question
My question was essentially about being other entities. Now, the way that I understand it, they're data streams. You say everything's a data stream. So when we think about, I talked to an entity, well, you know, where did they come from? Where do they live? You know, do they live in houses? You know, do they eat? Do they poop? You know, what, what's going on there? Are these really people like us? But no, it's information, everything. Consciousness is fundamental. It creates information. Reality,
Experiential things like experiencing another being talking to another being. This is that's an experiential thing that happens in a virtual reality. It's information based. Everything is information based. So this reality we call the physical universe. It's just information. It only exists in the heads of the players. Okay. And you go out of body and you just basically log on to some other virtual realities. It's like going from Sims, the world of Warcraft to
No man's sky, you know, you just log on to a different, a different, you got a modern game right there though. Yeah. So you're not stuck in 2000s anymore. Yeah. All my video knowledge is watching my children play when they were like teenagers, they're all in their middle. No man's sky is a great example because it's procedurally generated on the spot. Right. Right. Which is the way, you know, reality is procedurally generated right on the spot for the most part. It's a probabilistic thing. So yeah, that's, that's much more efficient.
That way. So in any case, so if you let go of the idea that reality is real stuff, it's mass and you know, the stuff really here really exists and you see it as information, then out of bodies and dreams and all of these things where we find ourselves in daydreams as well, you know, not just night dreams, but daydreams where we find ourselves in some other reality. It's just another data stream.
Now, we are consciousness, and we can create information. Information is non-physical. Information is not a physical thing. It's a non-physical thing. Information is separate from data. Data is a physical thing. Data, you transfer things in data. Information is the
is the meaning, the content, the significance of that data. It takes a consciousness to have information, because the consciousness interprets the data into its reality, into some kind of meaning or content. Without a consciousness to interpret the data, well, it's just a piece of paper with a lot of ink squiggles on it. That's not information, that's data. But a consciousness looks at those ink squiggles on that page and,
That's information, you see. So realities created by information, our sense data produces information, which creates this reality. All right. Well, it's the same with the elf. The elf's sense data, quote unquote, you know, the things that it would sense, the things it sees, the things it feels, the things it hears. Well, that's all information. And the player gets that information.
The player sees what the elf sees and what the elf hears, and so on, if the player has a headset on and the player is watching the screen. So the sense data of the elf is sent to the player, and the player experiences what the elf experiences, sort of. But now with consciousness, it's much more embedded. It's a hundred percent involvement
So anyway, so now we talk about being. So what is a being? A being is something you can talk to. It's something that responds to you. It's something you can carry on a conversation with. It talks as opposed to a rock, which doesn't talk back. Hear that sound?
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In order to get to these single-player games, these other worlds, let's say, does one have to have a lower entropy already or
It doesn't matter. Anyone can experience it. Well, anyone can experience it and a lot of people do, but if that's the case and they don't have low entropy, it's extremely haphazard. It just happens when it happens. And sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. It's just one of those things that is totally out of their control. Sometimes they have a out of body experience. Sometimes they have things. Now some people learn to control it reasonably well, but as you lower your entropy,
The ease with which you can control it grows. It gets easier and easier. When you first learn to meditate, it takes you 15 minutes to get into a good meditation state. Eventually, you can get into a good meditation state in a tenth of a second. It doesn't take long. Same without a body. Same with exploring and being in other reality frames and getting information out of databases. You can do that in fractions of a second, and you can parallel process in more than one reality at a time.
so i can be talking to you and you can be telling me about how your poor mother fell down the steps and you know hurt herself and could i help heal her and while i'm having a conversation with you i'll be doing the healing at the same time at another at another level i'll be working in another and you're conscious of both in some manner yeah conscious of both it's not that hard to do i mean it's like multitasking or is it different no it's like multitasking it's a similar thing i mean you see
People go into a sports bar and they'll have five different things showing on a big screen, you know, five different sport events. Well, with a little practice, you can watch all five of them and hardly miss anything, you know, but it is a zero sum game. You can't spend a hundred percent of your attention on any one. You have to spread your attention over, over all of them. It's the same way with this. So yes, you can do that because you can grab hold of data streams, let go of them.
Be here, be there. And it's all a matter of focusing your intent and practicing this. And most people can do some of these things with, you know, I don't know, six months worth of practice. I mean, it doesn't, it's not that hard to do. It's not sure to us. Transcendental meditation. Is it better for me to do it 20 minutes twice a day or once for one hour a day? So that's three times as long. It's probably better to do it twice a day for 20 minutes each time.
And if that gets easy and you really enjoy it and get a lot out of it, then you can maybe do it for 30 minutes twice a day. I'll tell you a bit of my experience. So firstly, it's been only a month and a half and I haven't done it consistently. But the times that I find when I do it longer, the shorter times I get virtually nothing out of it. And most of the time I get virtually nothing out of it. But some of the times I get it's more like I'm in a place where I feel like I'm floating.
It's almost like I'm swimming slowly. And I imagine like analogize it to a turtle, just like, Oh, hello, this is interesting. And then there's also some clarity, not just some, but it's strange. I have a distracted mind. And so it's calming some of that down, but it takes quite a bit of time to calm it down, first of all. So that's why I have to do it for longer. That's why I was asking maybe one hour's better for me. And for you, it may be like I say, it's process. Now, eventually you can do it very quickly. But in the beginning,
It's a slow trip for most people. They constantly have
Thoughts coming into their mind that they need to let go of and until they can sit for say a half an hour with no No thoughts in their mind at all. Let's imagine that my mantra was Shema just for the sake of this. Okay I don't know if I'm saying it properly Am I supposed to just repeat Shema or am I supposed to time it with my breath or is that a mistake because now I'm Consciously timing it with my breath. Yeah, I find it happens automatically it goes with my right. So the thing is you want to let your intellect and
Sit down and be quiet. So if synchronizing it requires your intellect to do it, you have to think about it to do it. Then that's a problem. You want things to just happen. So you just say your mantra and it's, you think it, you don't say it out loud. You just think your mantra and you think it. And what you're doing is you're filling your awareness full of nonoperable junk, a mantra, a nonsense thing.
and you say that and that fills your mind. Your wife's real cute with her little ears up on top of her head. I know I told her can you just sneak by and not say anything don't even acknowledge me. Usually we kiss before she goes but I said I'm gonna be in this. Oh you should have kissed her.
That's all right. You can you can you can always edit that out. But anyway, the little ears were cute. Yeah. Okay, so where were we? Yeah, if it takes to take it to all the time it needs, if it takes you a half an hour, just to get to the point where it's getting productive, then take that time because stopping before it gets productive is not good. You need to get the time when it's productive. But I'll challenge you with something else that when you're that turbo, and you're just up there and you're kind of drifting and whatever,
Now, if you have an intent that you would like to see what was going on in your mother-in-law's house, or your parents' house, or with your best friend who lives someplace else, what is he doing now? Have that intention and just let things come into your mind. Yeah, okay. Help me out with
the difference between intention and intellect, because I imagine that if I was to intend it, then it would be as if I'm using my intellect. No, yes, that's a problem. If you're using your intellect that will destroy it. And that's the hardest thing for you to get through is to get your intellect to sit down and be quiet because you are an intellectual, you lead with your intellect, your intellect does all the judging and the assessing and so on. And you have a really hard time
engaging in anything without your intellect leading. So your problem will be your intellect is always going to jump in front to take charge because that's how you live your life. So that will be your most difficult thing. But if you can let that intellect just be there and just experience, don't judge it, don't assess it, don't analyze it,
Just experience it. Now that sounds easy, but it's hard when your intellect jumps in. Let's say that you do and you're just a turtle and you might say, well, is there anybody out there? I could communicate with a thought and something would come. You get some answer back. And as soon as you get the answer back, you go, what was that? Who was that? Did I just make that up? You see your intellect jumps right to it. But if you can keep that intellect from jumping in and just experience, let it go wherever it goes.
It doesn't matter what the content is. It doesn't matter whether it's all ridiculous. Just let it go wherever it goes, however it wants to go there. You're a scientist. You just want to know what's going to happen if I just let this thing run, not judge whether this is real or whether this is helpful or anything else. Just experience.
And if you do that, then at that point where you're the turtle drifting, you can have an intent and to see something somewhere and that means you're remote viewing now. Or you can have an intent to look at somebody's health.
and say that they you see a like a humanoid body that's all white and you can say the white is healthy in the black anything black or dark is unhealthy and the more unhealthy it is the darker it is so a light gray thing would be somebody that's maybe uh you know not feeling too well has a cold uh the flu or something and maybe a big black spot right here would be a you know tumor in a lung or in a breast or something so
Anyway, you can do these things with your mind. Is there an activity that you find works particularly well for somewhat beginners like myself? For example, you just mentioned go in and say, is there anyone here I could talk to and then see what happens? Are there any more suggestions? Well, yes. The biggest suggestion is start with an intention of why you want to do this. If why you want to do it is just to experience reality.
experience the bigger picture if one exists you'd like to experience it you know if that is your point that's okay but it's even better if you'd like to grow up you'd like to become more you'd like to have a bigger picture you'd like to increase your understanding you'd like to to know is there
And it can't be, okay. So for example, it can't be, how can I solve this particular problem? I can't go in with that intention because that would automatically be engaging my intellect from the get-go. It would be much harder to do because that would do your... Well, you did it, man. One of your first times with the debugger. It's inspirational to me. Yeah. I'm not saying it's even hard to do. I'm saying it'll probably be hard for you to do. So I wouldn't expect that you start that way.
That's because your intellect will get into that problem right away. But once you get to the point where you can get into this intuitive state or being level state and not an intellectual state, then there's all kinds of things that are open to you that you can do. And yes, solving problems are one of them. You can do things like that. So
Developing what you're doing now, what I encourage you to do is to develop your intuitive side. Spend some time like you've spent developing your intellectual side, developing your intuitive side, and it will take a little time and some practice. But you have to do that by getting your intellect to sit down and be quiet and not interrupt, not jump into it.
you have to just plain experience. In other words, instead of doing, you have to just be you and your mind just being, which see, that's why everybody starts with meditation. That's the end point of your meditation is to just be not to be thinking about anything, just to be to exist kind of the daycare moment, right? You know, I am, I exist. I have a, I have mind.
And if you can settle into that state, which is what you're learning through your meditation practice, and then you can maintain that state without your intellect jumping into the game, you will be able to do all of the paranormal things rather easily. They're not that hard to do, and eventually getting into that intuitive space will be easy.
because you've done it hundreds of times. You have done evidential things hundreds of times, and you'll see that, well, these times when I kind of entered it this way, it worked really well. And these times when I was different, you had a different approach to it, a different attitude and so on, it didn't work. So you will learn what works, what doesn't work. So working with evidential stuff is an important way to start.
Um, things that you can verify later. And one of the main reasons to meditate is simply to calm down, to remove the distractions. So does that mean that like, for example, later today I have a massage, should I be meditating when I get my massage? I imagine that if I try, I would just be pulled out by the frequent pain. Well, you should probably to maximize the effect of the massage. You should be with that massage.
And it was your, your, your mind, your, your awareness should be with the body in the sense that you're not thinking about anything, but you're feeling everything, every touch, every push. And you want your mind, you don't want to feel this lady, man. She hurts like heck, man. It's way too much. I have to distract myself from that. Well, tell her to ease off then. So not so hard there. It makes her go harder.
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And you are going to feel better. You're going to be better. You're going to be healthier. Your immune system is going to work better. You physically are going to be more in tune without all these little stress knots in it. And if you see that soon, you feel that pain, feel that stress being pushed out of your body.
Imagine that muscle instead of being knotted up like that, just relaxing. And am I repeating the mantra at this point or this has nothing to do with transcendental meditation? Well, it does have, it's all related, but you don't have to repeat the mantra. You can if that helps keep you in that space. Yes, you can keep saying the mantra. And then as you feel things, yeah, as you feel things, then have the intention that all those things you feel are making you healthier.
They're all making you better. You're getting rid of toxins and poisons and knots of stress and tension, and it's all going to help you think better and be better and move better. So now you translate that pain into, oh, that feels like I'm getting better.
That feels like I'm getting rid of stress. And when you have a positive attitude toward it rather than, Oh, that feels like pain, you know, that hurts. The more you think about it, the more you think about it, the more it hurts. Change the way I frame it, change the way you frame it, frame it positive positively, but do it not intellectually, but just because you're floating there like a turtle.
and a turtle and turtle getting a turtle getting a massage but your intention is that that massage is a is a step toward a better you and better health so it could put your positive intent to it and then all through the massage you are raising the probability of that massage giving you much better health because your intention modifies the future probability so anyway yes you can
engage that way. Now, eventually, when you've practiced this for, I don't know, your very left brain, like me, I was like that, I was a physicist, you know, physicists are very left brain, very logical process oriented. So though you said that you were able to get to that state fairly easily, at least in your first time, because you'd remember that you'd done it when you were young. Yeah, yeah, I fell into that very, very easily when I picked it up again in graduate school. But in any case, and
I came into this world, a very right brain little guy. And I knew that I had to develop the logical side that I had already a pretty strong intuitive side, but I needed a logical side. And it wasn't easy. I worked very, very hard to develop that intellectual side and that logical side. And eventually it became easy. You know, if you work on something that it gets easier and easier.
So I've already started this life more intuitive, had to develop the left side. So that's my own thing. But a lot of people, see, I see a lot of people like you who are connected with my book because it is the only on ramp to a bigger picture for logical process people. It is a logical
process so quite a few people when i teach people how to do paranormal things quite a few of them are just like you they are very left brain dominant very logical process dominant but
All of them have some great successes after a while. If you want to
If you want to go through the process, it's easy to do. Again, everything I do, I try to make it free. And you can go to my YouTube site and look for the very latest TMI video, TMI, the Monroe Institute. I went to the Monroe Institute just as a facility. They wanted me, they asked me to come there. So I did. And I gave one of my courses telling people how to experience the larger system.
And the reason I give those courses, I refrained from giving them, though I was asked many times, because I don't really want to be Mr. Out-of-body or Mr. Paranormal. I'm a physicist. I want to be taken seriously. So I kind of low-key that. But on the other hand, I tell people that if it's not your experience, it's not your truth. So go learn. But I don't really give them any path to do that. So they caught me up short on that little piece of logic.
And I started offering these courses to help them do that. So if you go to the YouTube, find the last TMI, which I did last August. So you'll find it August 2020. And look at that. And you will have the whole 2019. You mean, right? Unless you did it during the coronavirus. Yeah, 2019. It'll be 2019. Right. So when you when you find that when that's the whole course, now all you have to do to make the course complete,
Is go to nbt events and i think for 20 bucks or 25 bucks you can get a a set of the binaural beats that i used during that course for those people and basically the way the format set up is that i talk to people and explain to them what's happening and what's going on are those binaural beats related to hemisync or is that completely independent no they are related i'll tell you that story next okay bring that back up so
So you get those binaural beats and I think there's like 13 of them and maybe one thrown in to help people sleep if they want, but there's 13 there and you'll go through a process. I'll explain, give you the understanding, give you pointers and things to do and things to not do. And then you go take a binaural beat session, which is 50 minutes and go experience, go try to five zero or five one five.
It's 50 minutes, 50 minutes, a little less, a little less than an hour. And that's, then you come back. And then you say, Well, it didn't work. Nothing happened. Or, oh, I got this or I got that. What does that mean? And then there's questions and the people who were there will ask me questions.
And they'll ask me things and I explained to them, I'm the coach basically, because I've been there and I experienced all these things. So I know what they're going through. So I coach them and I say, Well, here's what the problem was, you need to not do this, or here's where your intellect got into it. And I give them some help, then it's time to go listen to another one. So they go back out and do it again. And we keep doing that for four days, five days. How many times in one day?
Four times in a day. Interesting. So there's going to be, I think it's, well, some was four when I was a TMI, I think it was four times in a day. Other places, sometimes it's three. It depends on the course and how many days it is and so on. So that's, that is the course. So you can, for 25 bucks, you can get a complete course that costs 2,500 bucks.
And the only thing you're missing is the ability to ask your own questions. But then Keith and Donna, who run my events, they just started with a, what they called an add on course, which means people like you could go spend the $25, go get that, that video, actually do the course. And then we'll get together for what six hours a day for three or four days in a row. And then you get to ask your questions.
And we do a little bit of, we do a little bit, I think I did healing and remote viewing with the people while we were there, but basically this is the chance you've already done the work. You've done the course. This is the chance to come actually ask your questions if you have them. So the, you know, for 25 bucks, you can get a $2,500 course. Just the, it's not quite as good as being there, but it's probably a 95%
of it. It's pretty close to being there. I'll leave the link. I'll display it right now on screen as well as put it in the description so people can go check it out themselves too. Lastly, oh, you're mentioning Hemisynch and the relationship between that and binaural beats. Okay, Hemisynch. Dennis and I came up with the, ran into, well actually Dennis saw in a Scientific American back in 1960 something, it was published
In Scientific American, that binaural beats and trained brainwaves. So if you have a binaural beat, I guess I should tell your listeners, if you have a pure tone in this ear, a pure tone in that ear, and if the tones are slightly different, let's say four Hertz different, then if you do those in air, you'll get a four Hertz beat. You know, here's a speaker and here's a speaker and they're looking at each other, you'll get a four Hertz beat. So a four Hertz beat would be something like one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one,
That's what would happen. Now you put it in headphones, you stick it in your ear, particularly these kinds of headphones, little earbuds are good and you stick it in your ear. Now pure town here, pure town here, four Hertz difference. And the signals get through the audio nerves down to the corpus callosum, which is the membrane between the two hemispheres. And at that point, they actually generate a beat frequency inside your brain as opposed to inside the air.
The medium for the beat frequency is your brain. It's oscillating neurons or what? It's well, that is not. We don't know that for sure, but we know that if you put EEG on that measures brainwaves and if that's four Hertz, your brainwave energy will tend to move to the four Hertz. That's what they mean by brainwave entrainment. Now to say that whether it's shaking neurons or something that's
physiologists who want to know the correlation between what's happening in the brain and what comes out of an EEG. I wouldn't speak to that, but in any case, it entrains brainwaves in the sense that your brainwave is like energy on the vertical axis and frequency on the horizontal axis. So you generally have different kinds of frequencies popping off up and down all over the place. Okay. Now you meditate and when you meditate,
the energy under the area, under the curve of all these things going up and down, the energy there, it tends to move toward the alpha state and the theta state, okay, alpha brainwaves. So they put these things on monks who are really good at meditating. Just for people watching, I use this, which is supposedly to help the gamma, and then it does have a theta setting.
Yeah, okay, so that's the idea of a binaural beat, and it doesn't drain brain waves. And they know that meditators, when they meditate, the energy slides from all over the place down to the low alpha theta region.
Okay. So that's, if you want something to help you meditate, then you take a binaural beat of about four Hertz, because four Hertz is right there in the middle of theta region. If you just want to relax and you have a hurt, you know, a difference frequency of say eight or 10 Hertz, which is low alpha. And now you just, now you're just mellow. So, and if you want to wake up, then you send it up to, you know,
20 Hertz or 40 Hertz or something else. And now you're bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. So it's a brainwave entrainment. Now you have to cooperate with it. It's not that it forces you to do something. It just encourages you toward an area. If you don't cooperate with it, it isn't going to affect you. It's not something scary that's taking over your mind. So it's an ancilla. It helps you.
Yeah, it just helps you. So if you're not a good meditator yet, then it's a tool that will help you meditate, and it'll help you keep that meditation state. But like all such crutches, you need to know when to take them off.
If you put those little training wheels on your bicycle when you're five years old and learn to ride a bike, well, they'll help you because they'll keep you from falling over and getting hurt. But if you're ever going to be good at riding a bike, you got to take those little wheels off because they prevent you from leaning into a turn. So it's the same with this. You can use the binaural beats as much as you need them to maintain that intuitive state down in the theta region.
but eventually you need to be able to do it on your own and take that, take the headphones off. So it's not something to do forever, but it's something to do as long as you, you know, as long as you need that help, then you should use it. So it's a good tool. So anyway, Dennis read the article. We were working at the lab and anything that a train brainwaves was interesting to us because we were trying to figure out how to reproduce Bob States, you know, make them happen in a naive subject, so to speak.
So we went right out to the lab and started playing with binaural beats and found out they were very effective in producing the states that are very effective for going out of body, which is the theta state, which is just before you get the Delta, which is like, you know, you lose consciousness. So anyway, we found that out and
Bob took that binaural beat. He was gone at the time. And then some weeks later he came back. We showed him what we'd done and told him, well, it works better than anything we've tried so far. And he liked it as well. He experimented with it. And then he took some binaural beats and added them to this little kind of surfy sound he had that had kind of a four Hertz modulation.
But it wasn't binaural. And it was relaxing, but it didn't have the power of the binaural beat. He added the binaural beat to it and named it hemisynch and got a patent on it. So that's so that's TMI is patented. No sound that they use to encourage people to be in a good and stay in a good meditation state. It's called, you know, it's that so you can buy things from
from Monroe Institute, TMI, and it'll have, you know, that in it, hemisync. And the reason he called it hemisync is they had a brain scan, you know, I sort of like a CAT scan thing, things that look at your brains and the energy and areas that light up and don't light up. And when you listen to the sound, or if you can meditate without it, either way, you'll find that the two hemispheres which are scattered all over
For the people watching, I'm sure they're thinking, okay, earlier you said that you can access NPMR fairly easily now because you've practiced it. And NPMR affords you greater access to information.
So is there something that you can do, please tell me if this is uncouth, but is there something that you can do, even if it takes two minutes or whatever, in order to give some evidence for someone who's watching that you're accessing a place where there's information that you wouldn't have access to otherwise. So for example, to not to make this a carnival trick at all, but to say my birthday or my birth month or, or whatever it could be.
It's not uncouth, but it's not really effective, and it doesn't work. I've been there and done that, and it doesn't work so much, and here's why. It's all intellectual.
It doesn't help anybody. If you want to see evidence of people being able to do these things, I mean, real stuff that's written out, you know, not just some guy, because if you and I do something, you know, and I do some kind of thing with you and whatever, well, you and I could just be collaborating on that, you know, we could, you and I are co conspirators, it doesn't really prove anything to people. So they have to experience it themselves, or it's not their truth.
reading about it, listening to it, seeing people do it, unless it's done with them, unless they're part of it, then it just doesn't help. It doesn't help them grow at all. It may get a gee whiz out of them, but it doesn't really help. So what they will what they can do if they really are serious about wanting evidence to see it, then where they what they should do is go to a
Um, remote viewing site. Now there's lots of remote viewing sites, but go to ones where they're really serious about it, where they study it, where they take remote viewing as a, as a science, they're working on it, get involved with them. In other words, are there any that you recommend? There's dozens of them. There's lots of them. You can find groups. I mean, you know, there is Dean Raiden. Yeah, I've heard of Dean Raiden. Dean Raiden does real experiments. Look at Dean Raiden's work. Yeah. Read his book.
He's a good guy. He does real experiments, and he's very serious about his protocols and his science. So he's written a bunch of books. Read his books, and that would give you evidence. But again, people read the books, and they say, yeah, well, he could just be making all this up. And you'll go to a remote viewing site, and you could say, yeah, but all these people, maybe they're just making it up. So it won't help unless you find a good remote viewing site, because you can call D. Rayden. He probably won't let you just come in his lab. That would be
Probably it's not going to do that for very many people, but anyway. So the reason it won't work is because people won't believe it. No, the reason it's not worth doing is that people won't believe it. It's just not a good idea for one reason. And two, like I say, I try to keep low profile on the, on the weird side of things. So the more I do things like that, that is what I get remembered for. I can talk about the nature of reality and science and quantum mechanics for a hundred hours
And I do one paranormal stunt and that is how I know that just puts me in the light that I don't want to be in. I'm still a serious scientist and I need to get serious attention in the scientific world. So I don't want to emphasize that part of what I do, but go to a remote viewing site, make, look at one, get the sense that they're really real people doing things.
Join them. Visit the site. Spend a week.
Spend a month or two, following their sessions, following their things. Go to a course. There's hundreds of courses on remote viewing. You have to get involved yourself. If you don't get involved yourself, it's not going to affect you one bit. The reason I asked for some recommendations is because clearly there are some people who are scammers and then clearly there are people who, well, not clearly, but the claim is that there are people who are not. So then how does one disentangle?
There's not that many scammers. You're not going to find scammers putting up a remote viewing site where a bunch of people are pretending to view.
that I think would be probably a very low probability. If you have a bunch of people, spend some time, interact with them, send them emails. Do they seem like they're wild and crazy and just trying to convince you of something, or are they just doing science? And you can watch if you like, you know, that sort of thing. You have to come to that assessment yourself. And yes, that takes a little time.
And if I were to give you a site, I don't really have any, but if I gave you one, then that's not all that helpful because I'm a weird guy giving you some weird site. Of course I'd give you some scam site where they would convince you of what I wanted you convinced of. See, it just, that doesn't work. You have to go do the work yourself. You have to go to the site. You have to talk to the people. You have to get some sense of how sound they are, how serious they are about remote viewing and about
know, the judging the remote views and look at their targets, they'll show you well, here, here were the targets. And here's what the remote viewers got. And you'll see that some of them are sketchy. And some of them are surprising or amazing. Well, logic says that if a person can just one person can do it once, then it's possible. After that, it's only a matter of learning, you know, growing it. Yeah, I mean, it
The possibility of it is easy to come by. You just have to take some time and do it for yourself. So it's your search, you talk to the people, they've helped you. Maybe you went to the course and you take a course from them if they teach courses and eventually you'll be doing it. But if all you do is meditate, find out, become a turtle every once in a while. And in that turtle,
come up with some things you'd like to see someplace and check and see if you see them. And if you can just keep your, if you can just experience, I just want to experience, I'm not going to judge it. I'm not going to say, Oh, is this right? What does that mean? You know, I'm not going to analyze it. I'm just going to let the experience come. If you can do that, then you'll find that you will be amazed at the information you will pick up.
And you'll get better at it over time. And then you won't see it. You won't have that question. Is it real? Because you'll know because you did it. And that's the only way to know for sure, not your experience, not your truth. So rather than put on a show that doesn't really help anybody grow up, I encourage people to go find out, go do it yourself. And remote viewing is easy.
healing somebody with your mind is even easier than remote viewing, because there's more uncertainty involved. Your ability to do these things is tied directly to the uncertainty surrounding what it is that you're doing. And we could explain all of that too, but in any case, there's a connection. But because
what, what bodies are hugely complex things and the things that they can do leaves always a lot of uncertainty. You know, people do have stage four cancer given three months to live and get rid of it. It goes away. That doesn't happen a lot, but it does happen. It's possible. So that's uncertainty. You say that helps you be able to work in the, in the health area. So,
Probably healing with your mind is one of the simplest things anybody can do. But now instead of remote viewing, you either get it right or get it wrong. See what you can go, you can go to a site and practice remote viewing. There's lots of sites. You Google remote viewing targets. And basically you'll go to that site and the site will give you a number and that number is associated with targets. So let's say there's a hundred thousand pictures and you get a number that's associated with one of those pictures.
And your job is to look at that number and remote view the picture that's associated with it. Remote viewing is just getting data out of a database. Have you just for yourself, not for anyone else, but have you done that where you've gone to a website and then consistently been able to see the pictures associated with the numbers? Yeah, I've been able to do that where I would consistently do that. Now, if I practice that a lot, I get better at it because I don't do those things much. I don't find a lot of need to do those. Those are things I did
what 30 years ago when I was learning and growing and I needed to understand and I was practicing and getting better. Once you have it, it's not really that practical a tool. It's not something you really need to do hear that sound.
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I recall you saying that children have an easier time getting to NPMR. Is that correct? Oh, yes. Children have a much easier time. And the reason is they don't have that big intellect blocking them. Does that not mean that we can use that as a test where we ask children to remote view for us and then see if they're able to predict it better than adults? You could. You could do that. I suspect if you'd have to get maybe a couple of hundred children and run them through a very specific kind of situations and see what sort of things they do.
They're very imaginative as well. Most children, when they meet an adult, what they try to do is tell the adult whatever the adult wants to hear. So if they get the idea that, you know, you'd like them to tell you something, you know, like there must be something in that room and what is it? Well, they'll go right away with their imagination trying to figure out what it is because they want to give the right answer. We kind of teach them.
that rather than just be open to whatever answer. But yes, in general, if you got lots of kids, you'd find that they were generally much better than that than a group of 1000 adults. The children would get it right more often. Sure. Sure enough. Anyway, you go to the site, you wrote remote view, then you type your number back in and up comes the picture.
So now you got what you wrote down, and then there's the picture. So you got an immediate, did I get it right? Did I get it wrong? And how much of it did I get right? Did I get part of it right?
You know, because you're not just reviewing remote viewing the whole picture, you're remote viewing elements of it and aspects of it and feelings of it. You know, what does it smell like? What does it sound like? Is it happy? Is it sad? Is it big? Is it small? You're doing all of those kinds of things. Because as a beginner, that's easier than what's the picture look like. That's harder for you to grok when you're a beginner. When you're just starting, you break it down into all kinds of little things. And you'll surprise yourself how much of it you can get.
when you do that. Okay, and that's the place where you start. And it's easy. I mean, you get the site, it's free, and you get immediate feedback, whether you got it right or wrong. Now with healing, you don't get immediate feedback. Okay, you heal, you know, if you want sick people for targets, go talk to your grandmother. She knows people who aren't feeling well. And then you can ask her, well, you know, how's,
Susie doing now? Does she feeling any better? And grandma will tell you perhaps. So you need to get feedback, but now you have to do it hundreds of times and start looking at statistics and start looking at the, the, uh, the difficulty of the case. Is it something that's chronic or is it something that's just minor like a headache? So that kind of thing. Now you can get some immediate feedback on diagnosis where you look at someone and just see what's wrong with them.
And you get the diet, then you can ask grandma, you know, what the diagnosis is, what did Susie have? So there's lots of ways for you to practice that don't take a lot of effort on your part or any money. Just go spend some time doing it. And your key problem is going to be your intellect.
The key problem is going to get that intellect to sit down while you just open yourself to whatever comes, whatever happens. And another hint is that the database is fast. You're really getting this data out of a database. And by the, you know, when you have your intention is how you do the query. When you send out that intention and instantly the result comes in. It's not like Google that takes, you know,
a half a second before the results come in, it comes back instantly. So a lot of people will put out their intention and then they'll get ready for the result, but the results already been delivered and they missed it. Yeah. So you have to be aware that it's coming very, very quickly. So the first thing, the first idea that comes into your mind, the first sensation, that's interesting. What else would people be aware of? Because that's a tidbit I haven't heard before. Yeah. Take the very first thing. Um,
Well, the second, or the second thing that I would share with you, break it up into pieces. Don't just try to see the whole picture. Okay. Break it up into pieces. So what does it feel like? You know, what's the, what's the ambience? What are the basic colors? You know, is it red or yellow or green or, or more rainbow colors? What does it, does it have a cell, a smell? Does it have a, a sense of, uh, you know, is it, is it light or dark?
You know, those kinds of things. And what are the elements say in your mind? Say, well, what are the architectural elements? And you may just get a picture of a circle. So you put a circle and you can say, well, what else to do it in stages? What else? Oh, a line over here. I put the line over there. Anything else? I know zigzag line down the side and just keep doing that until you say, is there anything else? And you'll get nothing. Well, then you're done.
And when you get nothing and you've gone through all of those things, then you look at your lines and zigzags and circle and look at your picture and see if there's any relationship between what you did in that picture. Now the probability that you're going to get things that really fit that picture is probably what one in 10,000, you know, I mean, there's all these pictures and the pictures are, are not like pictures of fog. These are very, you know, they have a lot of things in the pictures. They're very clear elements. They've been picked for remote viewing for that reason.
So it's not likely that you're going to get say 75, 80% of all the elements, right? Yes, you might get one of them. You might get just by, just by being lucky, but you consider it a, a, a success if you get, you know, what half of them. Can people use this to win the lottery or to make money? They can try, but it mostly doesn't work.
Because? Because the system doesn't allow it. Because it's not on the path of low entropy, it's a path of high entropy. So the system does not allow it. Matter of fact, there was a story I read that a fellow who was very good at this, and I think he did it professionally, he was probably one of those people that stands up and
picks people out of the audience and tells them about their grandmother or something like that. He was somebody who was very talented about getting data out of the databases. So he did a, he did the, uh, the winning lottery number and he wrote it down and he didn't buy a ticket or anything. He just wrote it down and he got it. He wrote it down correctly. And he did that again. He did it several times where he predicted the lottery correctly. So he said, okay,
I'm going to buy a ticket this time," and he predicts what it was going to be, and he bought the ticket, and he didn't win the lottery, but he had all the numbers right, except they were all off by one digit all the way through. Well, that was just the system telling him, nice try, but no banana, you're not going to do that. So,
It wasn't like he was far off. I mean, he was far off. Every digit was wrong, but it was always wrong by just one. This seems to me to be incontrovertible evidence, but yet it's not as if it's clear that this phenomenon is replicable. And so I don't see why it's so hard. Why is it that the system won't allow the paranormal or remote viewing to be proved or to be shown to be true with more evidence? That does this huge amounts of evidence. It's just that you don't look for it.
because you assume that there isn't. There's lots of evidence, there's lots of people doing remote viewing very seriously. There's
You'll find just go, go look for it. And you'll find that there's lots of evidence out there. If you're looking for evidence, read then Dean Raiden's books. He talks lots of experiments. All those things are just exactly the way he says they are. He's not a goofball, you know, doing crazy stuff. He's a, he's a smart guy and he's very careful about his science. He sees himself as a, as a scientist doing these experiments. So there's lots of proof. There's lots of stuff out there.
That's not
You know, that's politics. That's showmanship. That's not that they actually intended to give any money away. It was just a salvo in propaganda wars.
And perhaps it had to be that way, because if the person was able to claim the prize, then the system should not have given that person the answer, because as you're mentioning with the lottery. There have been people who have done what they said they would do, things that kind of showed that they did paranormal things or whatever. There's lots of people who can do those things, and most of them probably
are just amateurs at it. So if you put them on stage and make, you know, put a lot of people watching, they may, their intellect gets in the way, their fear gets in the way, but there's, there's plenty that can under stress can perform pretty flawlessly. And some of those took Randy at his word. And Randy basically said, no, must've been a trick. I don't know what the trick was, but it must've been a trick somehow. You don't win. So it's not really a real thing.
Randy and other people who call themselves skeptics, that's their belief. Their belief is that it's impossible, and they'll go to great lengths to try to push that belief forward, but they're not really skeptics at all. They're just believers, and they're just believers in that it isn't possible, and they're trying to convince others to believe what they believe. So I very much
I'm a skeptic, and I encourage everybody to be skeptical. Just because you are talking to somebody in the non-physical, you need to be very skeptical of anything you get. Maybe you just made it up. Remember, you are consciousness, and you can create information, and when you get something, you get a data stream. Part of that data stream could be because you created it. That's the daydream.
You can create data, or it could come from the system, or it could come from some other individual. All consciousness is netted. We're all connected. We can open and close connections to other consciousnesses. They can send things to us. So there's only three possibilities. It comes from the system, it comes from some other IUOC, or you make it up yourself. And there's no tags on any of that. You know, it's not like one comes in blue and the other comes in red. It's all just information.
and we get all that information sometimes all three of them scrambled together and you can't say for sure for certain where it comes from it can be coming from you as a possibility with experience you get you do know more what's yours and what's not when things come to you and they surprise the heck out of you because you just don't have that idea in your mind then you know that you just get it's it's
It's obvious to you that that came from outside of you. And if that happens many, many times and, you know, things turn out to be correct and you can remote view and you can heal and all this stuff, then then the idea of is this real? Is it coming from outside of me when I'm making it all up? Well, you're not going to heal somebody if you're making it all up. You're not going to remote view. You're not going to be very successful getting the picture elements right. If you're just making it all up so you can convince yourself that it's real, but you have to convince yourself
that it's real and nobody else can convince you. And matter of fact, people like you and I who are very left brain dominant because we're science guys, we are very hard to come to. We're very difficult to come to the conclusion that it's real. I was working with Bob and probably had, you know, one in a hundred thousand that the things that I was doing was just good luck. You know, I'm a good guesser. You write a 10 digit number on the board and I'm just good at guessing it.
You know, well, if you do the math, you can keep track of the statistics. And it was extremely, extremely, extremely unlikely that I was doing what I was doing just by good luck. You know, people just happened to get healthy after I worked on them and things like that. So I had lots and lots of evidence, but I still didn't believe it in my mind. Well, I don't know how it works. Therefore, it could be something very mundane that I'm just missing. So
I tend and most left brain people tend to be very hard to convince that it's real. There is something real out there that's outside of you that you can interact with and it interacts with our reality. But the thing that took me over the top was when I went with Dennis on that out of body together and it was taped and it was a tape of everything Dennis said and a separate tape of everything I said
And you play those tapes together, synchronize them in time. And Dennis and I are talking back and forth to each other in conversation. Well, that's kind of hard to fake that if you're making it up, you know, that's a really, really hard. So after that, and we saw the same things, we talked to the same beings and that was, that was the thing that got it out of my mind down to the being level. After that, I didn't ask anymore, is it real? Even though intellectually I knew it was real.
What, 100,000 to one? I'm a good guesser. Now, there's something else going on there, obviously, but I didn't let it get to me at the bean level until way later. I was at Bob's for probably a couple of years before that thing that Dennis and I did that made me feel it's real. So I suspect you'll be the same. And so will most everybody else. It's a, you know, that's a techie. It takes a lot for us to
change our fundamental view of the nature of reality. We need proof. We need a lot of evidence. And it should be that way. You should be skeptical. You meet some being out there and they said, Oh, yeah, this is God talking. And what I want you to do is go shoot those people, you know, like some crazy people do. And you got to be skeptical. You got to say, Whoa, no, thank you.
Just because something talks to you and tells you that they're God isn't a reason to believe a word of it. You know, you always remain skeptical of everything you get, and only slowly do you collect enough evidence that you can, that you no longer worry about, you know, is it true or not? Do UFOs fit into your theory in any way? Or aliens? Yeah, in kind of a sideways way they do.
We live in a virtual reality. So anything that is in your reality is just a matter of information in your data stream. Um, if it would, you know, if you and your five friends are all standing out on the balcony of your house and a flying saucer comes down and lands in your yard and little green men come out and wave to you, get back in your ship and fly away. And all five of you saw it. Well, how could that happen?
Well, if you're a materialist, then you have to imagine that there's aliens and they live someplace and they have high technology and they can build ships and they flew there and they landed in your yard. But if you realize it's a virtual reality, you can say, oh, somebody put that in my data stream. It's just data. Reality is created by data in a data stream. What about people like Bob Lazar, who said that they worked on craft and the craft operate on interesting physics, which seems to imply that it does have a material basis, at least for aliens or the craft?
Well, lots of things have a material basis, you say. Most of that is done in their minds. Most of that is not done with their physical selves. It may sound that way, but that's mostly all mental. They get there in their minds. They make that connection with their minds. They see that lab with their minds, and they
Meaning that the US government doesn't house it and it's just in Bob Lazar's mind or that all the people in that facility are collectively getting data from the same stream?
Now, I'm not sure now we've got a facility involved. We did have just one individual. Yeah, what I meant was that Bob Lazar was someone who at least he claims to have worked at a facility near Area 51. I think it was called S1. He was a particle physicist before and he was recruited by the United States government to come work on some top secret project when he got there and he saw the craft.
He said he actually chuckled himself because he said, Oh, look, it's just us technology. And that's what people are in a clamor about when it comes to saying that UFOs exist. Cause he was one of those people who thought that UFOs doesn't exist. So he's like, okay, well, here's the explanation. Then when he got to working on it more and more, he realized this is a technology that we don't have and that it operates by what he calls gravitational wave amplification, which is not something that we possess. Yeah.
I would be very skeptical of that, because I'm skeptical of everything. So I would advise anyone to be very skeptical of that. Now, aliens in general are something that's outside of our normal reality, right? That's an outside thing. So for people to think that there are aliens sneaking around and doing things and having conversations with aliens, that's a mind-opener
into a reality being bigger than what we just thought. It's not just what we see and what we hear, what we read, and what we study in science, but it might be bigger than that. Well, that's a positive thing inasmuch as it cracks the mind open a bit to bigger possibilities than just the stuff that's standard, and that's a good thing.
So I can see that the consciousness system, in order to crack those minds open, might be using aliens as a way of doing that. So that's, that's one thing. Okay. So, so yeah, it's like that. But that doesn't mean that there are Tom, I gotta get going. I gotta get going to my massage. I'm gonna try out some of the techniques. You know, we could go on like this for weeks, but
I suspect did you get your two questions answered? Oh, I definitely got my two questions answered. Okay. Thank you. Okay, good. Well, I'll see you later. Go get a massage. Thank you, my friend. And I appreciate you being so generous with your time. And I appreciate you helping me through this. I know that I give the impression that I'm a close minded intellectual, but I wouldn't be talking to you if I was. And I think if you knew some of my views, you'd be somewhat astonished. Because, well, let me put it this way.
I'm not convinced materialism is correct nor not correct and same with the multiverse, same with
Wolfram's theories same with yours. I'm sorry, but I don't know what's true And so when I do my meditation, I do go in with the intention of not having an intention I just go because I want to see I want to feel and you mentioned that maybe that could be holding me back Maybe I should go in with a bit more of a focus But then I am an intellectual and so it would mess with it But either way, I just wanted you to know that and the only reason I didn't correct you at any time is because I didn't want it to seem like I'm defensive about it and it's and also I don't
It doesn't matter too. I also want to see where would you go with that? Were you going to say that I'm more of a physicalist or a dualist or non-dualist? And I was just curious. So I'm poking at you because I'm poking at myself. I don't know. But I'm not trying to be falsely humble and say, I don't know all the answers. Like some people, I don't know the answers, but I'm not going to claim that I don't know all the answers because people who do that are, are virtue single, our virtue signaling when they do that, either way, that's where I stand. And I, that's a good place to stand. Look, you're a seeker.
you're trying to find the truth and you will, if you keep searching, if you put the time into it, if you make an effort, if you're serious about it, you will get there. And there's, there's only one truth, but there's thousands of paths that'll get you to that truth. Yeah. So just work on it. And the things that work for you do those, the things that don't work for you, let them go. And you will eventually end up at that one truth. If you keep after it,
One question that occurs to me now, and hopefully you can answer it briefly, I know that it takes quite some time, but one question is, when you mentioned that we're this consciousness and we're logged onto the game, and that ordinarily we identify with the avatar of the game, and that that's a mistake, and what we should identify with, because it's true, at least in your theory, sorry to put quotation marks around it, at least it's true in your theory that this is who we truly are, the consciousness of love that's logged on.
Then you said that when we die, well, some parts of our memory, I'm not sure if some parts are all, but regardless, let's not harp on that some parts of the memory at least continue on as well as with your choices.
Whether you've done good or bad or evil or lower entropy or raised entropy, however you would like to word it. What I'm wondering is, is that supposed to bring someone comfort? I hear some people say this plenty. I hear some of the people who are on the more Vedic ends of the tradition that say, well, your consciousness does continue on past your death. Now on the Western end, they'll say your consciousness continues, but you go to a place. Whereas on the more Eastern end, it's your consciousness continues, but it's not you. It's not your ego. It's something else.
But then what I'm wondering is the eastern side doesn't seem to provide at least someone like me. It doesn't provide me with any comfort because that me, that me, the player that's logged on bears so little resemblance to who I identify with now that it would be just like a materialist trying to give me hope by saying, well, all your molecules are going to continue on anyway. So technically you do live on, you're breathing the sun from you're breathing the big bang. So you are
I'm like, okay, well, I see that, but it bears so little resemblance to what I conceptualize as my identity. I don't give you a lot of comfort either. That Free Will Awareness Unit we talked about before, that's the part that's really logged on. That's the piece of the IUOC, Individual Unit of Consciousness, that's logged on to the avatar. That's a one-off.
When after that life is done, that that partitions taken down, it's integrated back into the individuality of consciousness. And now a new partition gets put down with just what it's been learned. And that goes off and logs on. So all of those petitions, all those free will awareness units are just one offs. When they're done, they're done. But what you accumulate is all of your experience, all your growth, all of your learning, all of your
quality, all of your entropy reduction that is accumulated. And you have a database, it's not memory, but you have a database of all the things that you've done, all the thoughts, all the feelings. What about your friends?
What about the relationships? Are those also catalogued? Because I could imagine that even if somehow I am to continue on with my attributes, but if I don't have the people that I love around me and I'm not able to recognize them, at least then that also is somewhat meaningless, at least to me, at least right now.
Yeah, that's because where you are now, and the way you see life and so on, and an ego that wants to continue on as you, and wants to continue on those relationships, because, you know, your children, your wife, you know, there's people who are dear to you, and you want that to continue on. It doesn't. That is here. When you die, your awareness of your life here begins to fade like a dream.
and you don't continue that. It's not practical. Yes, that's kind of soft and warm and it's comforting, but it doesn't work that way because it isn't functional. It doesn't work. So let's say here you are and you've been through 10,000 lifetimes and you've had 10,000 sets of parents, you've had 30,000 children, whatever, and you're going to remember all those and want to do something with all those relationships, or is it just the last 20 or the last 500?
You know, it doesn't work that way. That just is going to wide you up into a big ball of, of stuff that is emotionally grabbing at you. And it's not going to be functional at all. Each time you take what you've learned, you graduate from third grade and you take what you've learned and you go into a fourth grade. And it's a new experience, new teacher, new subjects, expect you to know new things.
So it's that comfort of you being you, well, it's only a problem if you see you as Kurt. If that's you in your mind as Kurt, then you have this problem. But if you in your mind is your individuated unit of consciousness, the collector of all the experience, if that's you, then you lives on forever. And it's not a problem. You realize that these relationships you have now, as meaningful as they are,
They happen because those are the people you ran into. If you're born on the opposite side of the planet, you'd run into different people. And next lifetime, you're going to run into different people, too. And most of your learning comes from these relationships. They're very important. They're very significant. But, you know, so is your third grade teacher significant, but you don't make her come along under the fourth grade with you. It's done.
it's so yeah that's that's a cold prickly kind of thought to a lot of people who see themselves as their body they want that body person to continue and all those relationships to continue because that's kind of warm and and whatever and i guess christianity tends to tends to satisfy that warm fuzzy feeling some because that's something a lot of people like you know it's a very attractive thing to offer but that's
In Islam, that's not really how it works. It's not practical, it's not logical. I didn't put reincarnation in my system because I thought it was a really cool idea and the Buddha liked it. I put it in there because it was logically necessary for the system to work. Okay, oh man, there's one bit. I know I gotta go and I know I keep getting you, but here's something that, if I'm being honest, here's something that always
I guess it's like a splinter in the mind to use the term from the matrix with when I was reading your book. It's at times there's a denigration of thinking of the world in a traditional sense because AUM is so outside of what we can fathom. It's so enigmatic. But then at the same time, there seems to be a selective applying of certain principles that we can fathom here. So let's say you use some entropy analogies or you use the word logic, but even logic itself,
There's paraconsistent logic, there's classical logic, there's intuitionist logic, that's not clear. So then I'm like, well, why is it that AUO, if one was to apply the traditional man in the sky, or if one was Hindu, Brahman, Brahma, or Brahmin, and we are just part of the infinite dreams of Brahman, then those are to be bestowed as well as other formulations, like it's a consciousness that we can even conceive of, or that there are physical laws that
I think you understand what I'm saying.
So there's all sorts of models around, and I would tell you that to be a seeker, stay
skeptical and see how it works for you. Where does it take you? And that's how you decide, not with your intellect, but by trying it, becoming it, living it, thinking about it, but applying it, not just thinking, not just coming up with a bunch of intellectual stuff inside your head that you can contrast and compare. That's not going to really help you learn anything. You need to actually walk that path.
Do those things and see how does it feel? What are you learning? What are you getting from it? You walk that path for six months and are you a better person now? Do you feel good a year from now? After that, when you get to the point and you say, no, I'm not really changing any, it's not really doing that much for me, then go someplace else. Thousands and thousands of different paths that all will take you to the same place. As long as you stay open minded and skeptical, you will always get to the end point. You'll make it.
It may be a circuitous path, but you will make it. So just go do experience B. Don't just think about it. Don't keep it all in your head. And then ask the question, is it helping? Am I better? Is my life better? Am I happier? Am I relationships better? Is it working? In the book, I say taste the pudding. And if it's working for you, do more of it. When it stops working for you, do less of it, go somewhere else.
Okay, that sounds like a great place to end it, man. Thank you so much again for your extreme generosity. And I got to get going. I'm a bit late, but have a great one, man. I appreciate it. Hey, never be late to a massage. I'm going to read some thoughts.
Thomas Campbell was one of the most highly requested guests on this podcast, so I tried to be as thorough as possible. I'm interested in the truth, though plenty of people consider him to be pseudoscience. I think that's unfair. While I get plenty of praise for interviewing Jeremy Corbell on UFOs, there were quite a few who disliked the subject matter being broached. I happen to dislike anathemas.
If you're telling me that there's a realm of knowledge that should be limited to a certain sphere, and it's disallowable to explore what's outside that sphere, then I'm immediately skeptical. Let me come to my own conclusions.
You're watching this because you want to come to your own conclusions. And that's wonderful. That's great. Those open-minded and exacting individual thinkers, that's what this channel is about. That's who it's for. My final thoughts are pretty much that I have my gripes. I'm not convinced that he's anywhere near to deriving the fundamental laws of physics mathematically. I see his theory as being so vast that whatever the mathematical nature of our laws do turn out to be,
It can still be incorporated into his model because AUO, which is absolute unbounded oneness, is so much like a blank parchment and ink that whatever equations you write on it, the AUO can say, well, yes, I predicted that because that's pen on paper. I'm not saying anything that I haven't said to Thomas or wouldn't say to Thomas Campbell. But again, this is all for you to decide on your own. I'm just giving you my own thoughts.
In many ways, I'm still simply a cretinist imbecile who knows nothing, and I don't think I'm capable of articulating Thomas's theory back to him in a way that he would agree, which means I don't understand it, which means I'm not in a position to judge it yet. Okay, that's that. I have to get some rest. I have to eat. I have to break my fast. Have a good night. And, of course, please let me know your thoughts
I hate to say this because I don't consider myself to be a YouTuber, but if you're not subscribed, please subscribe and hopefully I can keep up the level of quality in the podcasts.
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"text": " That's just the thing I gave you go to YouTube and look for MBT LA MBT hyphen LA 2016. If you look for that, I introduced the experiments there. The whole set of them. I also explain them why they work and how they work. And the food experiments have been run already. They are in the process of being run. And we're maybe within"
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"text": " and says that the Copenhagen had the right idea. Now they didn't understand the details, they didn't understand the mechanics of how it worked, but what they said about reality and how their experiments worked out and why they worked that way was true. So my first experiment is to go back and do the experiment that will differentiate between was Copenhagen right or is this new entanglement"
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"text": " made other explanations that are quite contrary to that. But that's what they all used to think. The Copenhagen was the dominant idea right up until 20 years ago, or 30 years ago. That was the dominant, most accepted idea about quantum mechanics. But then they've always had problems with that"
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"text": " This is a virtual reality. The reality exists only in the minds of the players. Just like World of Warcraft, there is no place where little elves run around and fight barbarians. It doesn't really exist. It only exists in the minds of the players. If there are no players logged on, that server serves nothing, has no output."
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"text": " The game only exists in the minds of the players. Well, if the game only exists in the minds of the players, then it's important that a player get the in some information because that's how things come into that reality. The server sends a player and says, there's a rock here. Well, when that player sees that rock there, then that rock is now part of the game and other players will see that rock there too."
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"text": " But it's only that rock only exists because players get that rock in their information, right? Because the computer sends it to them. Well, that's why you have this observe for effect."
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"text": " it only reality only comes to us when it is observed when a player gets the information so that's the fundamental reason why there is this measurement problem in this observer effect the observer is fundamentally important because the reality only exists in the minds of the players so"
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"text": " I get to the same idea that the Copenhagen group did, and since then, like I say, physics left that idea behind, because consciousness and physics was like gasoline and water, or oil and water. They didn't like it, so they came up with something else, but they came up with that something else without… In other words, we have an alternative explanation, but that alternative explanation doesn't"
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"text": " You know, kind of denies this observer effect, and I'm going to show that it does work the way that they said about it before. So my experiments should confirm the Copenhagen and show that the entanglement way of explaining it is wrong. Is not right. So that's, that's what they're going to do. So yeah, it's going to, you know, so that'll be the first experiment. That's the easiest experiment to do."
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"text": " Good luck with that. I'm excited to see the results. This theory is not just woo-woo that's made up because it sounds good and only people with weak minds and new-agers take it seriously. This is real science and it's based on logic. It does real physics and it can explain to you why you feel the way you do."
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"text": " Okay. Now, so what you're talking about, I'll just show you what, you know, I'll tell you how that works and then everything else will become obvious afterwards. The problem that people have and probably that you're having too, is that because you have, you're so ingrained with a kind of a physical viewpoint of things, it's really hard to let that go."
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"text": " And we reinterpret everything in terms of that context, and then it doesn't make sense. So here goes the explanation of, you know, when you meet other things, most out of body experiences are basically the person having the experience logs on to a single player virtual reality game."
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"text": " Okay. You know, there are single player games, right? All games aren't multiplayer. You know, what is it when you're having your own experience? Yeah, you're having an experience. Now, when you have a single player game, there's often other characters, other entities in that game. It's not like you're there by yourself. There's NPCs in that game, and they do all kinds of things."
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"text": " Okay. And you, your interaction with them is part of how you learn how to win the game. It's about you and them and, and your skills and so on. Well, most out of bodies are single player games. So you're getting a data stream now directly from the larger consciousness system. And that, that data stream is defining a reality."
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"text": " Real single player game is this one that can be shared with other people, even though it's single player. For example, let's take fallout four. It's a game, the video game. Many people can play that same game, even though it's single player. So we're sharing a similar experience, but we're doing it on our own. Yes, that can be like that. But these games are often made just for that individual. They're bespoke there. Yeah, I don't know about that bespoke."
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"text": " Bespoke, they're tailor-made. They're tailor-made. Yeah, they're tailor-made most of the time. Now there are things that happen in those games and sometimes there are experiences that people have that are identical. It's like they've taken a module here and they've applied it a lot of places. I've had a matter of fact in my book, if you've read that, Bob Monroe and I had exactly the same set of experiences. That's why I was wondering, can it be shared? Because it seemed like you spoke to similar beings. At least they asked similar questions."
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"text": " Well, no, what that was, was a standardized test. Bob got that test. I got that test. We, you get tests here from the larger consciousness system. Why? Because it would have to see this whole, this whole thing that ties together. We're pieces of consciousness. We're trying, we are parts of the system. As we evolve by lowering our entropy, the system entropy also gets lowered because we're part of the system."
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"text": " that I have shared tests with not the same one that I did with Bob, but others and we could just share what happened and it was exactly the same scenario. So it's like we all had the if you want to put it in other language, we all had the same dream."
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"text": " you know, and we interacted with it, how we interacted with it, but the layout was all exactly the same. So some of it, yes, will show up to different people, but mostly it's a one-off. It's for that person, depending on where they are, starting at their level and gives them challenges with things that they have to meet, with ways that they have to grow. So most out-of-body is like that."
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"text": " Now, I went on an out-of-body with a friend of mine, Dennis and I. I mentioned him already, I think, earlier. We went on an out-of-body together. So that was a two-player game. And we ran into other entities and had conversations and did other things during that, but that was a two-player game. So that's possible, and two is possible, and three or four or five or ten is possible."
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"text": " but most of that just happens in the margins because that gets more complicated and it requires more, more scale. So basically they're one off. So when you go to another reality frame, you're getting another data stream. Information defines reality. Consciousness is fundamental. Everything else is virtual."
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"text": " That's all right. You can you can you can always edit that out. But anyway, the little ears were cute. Yeah. Okay, so where were we? Yeah, if it takes to take it to all the time it needs, if it takes you a half an hour, just to get to the point where it's getting productive, then take that time because stopping before it gets productive is not good. You need to get the time when it's productive. But I'll challenge you with something else that when you're that turbo, and you're just up there and you're kind of drifting and whatever,"
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"text": " and say that they you see a like a humanoid body that's all white and you can say the white is healthy in the black anything black or dark is unhealthy and the more unhealthy it is the darker it is so a light gray thing would be somebody that's maybe uh you know not feeling too well has a cold uh the flu or something and maybe a big black spot right here would be a you know tumor in a lung or in a breast or something so"
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"text": " experience the bigger picture if one exists you'd like to experience it you know if that is your point that's okay but it's even better if you'd like to grow up you'd like to become more you'd like to have a bigger picture you'd like to increase your understanding you'd like to to know is there"
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"text": " because you've done it hundreds of times. You have done evidential things hundreds of times, and you'll see that, well, these times when I kind of entered it this way, it worked really well. And these times when I was different, you had a different approach to it, a different attitude and so on, it didn't work. So you will learn what works, what doesn't work. So working with evidential stuff is an important way to start."
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"text": " Um, things that you can verify later. And one of the main reasons to meditate is simply to calm down, to remove the distractions. So does that mean that like, for example, later today I have a massage, should I be meditating when I get my massage? I imagine that if I try, I would just be pulled out by the frequent pain. Well, you should probably to maximize the effect of the massage. You should be with that massage."
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"text": " engage that way. Now, eventually, when you've practiced this for, I don't know, your very left brain, like me, I was like that, I was a physicist, you know, physicists are very left brain, very logical process oriented. So though you said that you were able to get to that state fairly easily, at least in your first time, because you'd remember that you'd done it when you were young. Yeah, yeah, I fell into that very, very easily when I picked it up again in graduate school. But in any case, and"
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"text": " So I've already started this life more intuitive, had to develop the left side. So that's my own thing. But a lot of people, see, I see a lot of people like you who are connected with my book because it is the only on ramp to a bigger picture for logical process people. It is a logical"
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"text": " If you want to go through the process, it's easy to do. Again, everything I do, I try to make it free. And you can go to my YouTube site and look for the very latest TMI video, TMI, the Monroe Institute. I went to the Monroe Institute just as a facility. They wanted me, they asked me to come there. So I did. And I gave one of my courses telling people how to experience the larger system."
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"text": " And the reason I give those courses, I refrained from giving them, though I was asked many times, because I don't really want to be Mr. Out-of-body or Mr. Paranormal. I'm a physicist. I want to be taken seriously. So I kind of low-key that. But on the other hand, I tell people that if it's not your experience, it's not your truth. So go learn. But I don't really give them any path to do that. So they caught me up short on that little piece of logic."
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"text": " And I started offering these courses to help them do that. So if you go to the YouTube, find the last TMI, which I did last August. So you'll find it August 2020. And look at that. And you will have the whole 2019. You mean, right? Unless you did it during the coronavirus. Yeah, 2019. It'll be 2019. Right. So when you when you find that when that's the whole course, now all you have to do to make the course complete,"
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"text": " Is go to nbt events and i think for 20 bucks or 25 bucks you can get a a set of the binaural beats that i used during that course for those people and basically the way the format set up is that i talk to people and explain to them what's happening and what's going on are those binaural beats related to hemisync or is that completely independent no they are related i'll tell you that story next okay bring that back up so"
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"text": " Four times in a day. Interesting. So there's going to be, I think it's, well, some was four when I was a TMI, I think it was four times in a day. Other places, sometimes it's three. It depends on the course and how many days it is and so on. So that's, that is the course. So you can, for 25 bucks, you can get a complete course that costs 2,500 bucks."
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"text": " And the only thing you're missing is the ability to ask your own questions. But then Keith and Donna, who run my events, they just started with a, what they called an add on course, which means people like you could go spend the $25, go get that, that video, actually do the course. And then we'll get together for what six hours a day for three or four days in a row. And then you get to ask your questions."
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"text": " of it. It's pretty close to being there. I'll leave the link. I'll display it right now on screen as well as put it in the description so people can go check it out themselves too. Lastly, oh, you're mentioning Hemisynch and the relationship between that and binaural beats. Okay, Hemisynch. Dennis and I came up with the, ran into, well actually Dennis saw in a Scientific American back in 1960 something, it was published"
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"text": " The medium for the beat frequency is your brain. It's oscillating neurons or what? It's well, that is not. We don't know that for sure, but we know that if you put EEG on that measures brainwaves and if that's four Hertz, your brainwave energy will tend to move to the four Hertz. That's what they mean by brainwave entrainment. Now to say that whether it's shaking neurons or something that's"
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"text": " 20 Hertz or 40 Hertz or something else. And now you're bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. So it's a brainwave entrainment. Now you have to cooperate with it. It's not that it forces you to do something. It just encourages you toward an area. If you don't cooperate with it, it isn't going to affect you. It's not something scary that's taking over your mind. So it's an ancilla. It helps you."
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"text": " Yeah, it just helps you. So if you're not a good meditator yet, then it's a tool that will help you meditate, and it'll help you keep that meditation state. But like all such crutches, you need to know when to take them off."
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"text": " But it wasn't binaural. And it was relaxing, but it didn't have the power of the binaural beat. He added the binaural beat to it and named it hemisynch and got a patent on it. So that's so that's TMI is patented. No sound that they use to encourage people to be in a good and stay in a good meditation state. It's called, you know, it's that so you can buy things from"
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"text": " from Monroe Institute, TMI, and it'll have, you know, that in it, hemisync. And the reason he called it hemisync is they had a brain scan, you know, I sort of like a CAT scan thing, things that look at your brains and the energy and areas that light up and don't light up. And when you listen to the sound, or if you can meditate without it, either way, you'll find that the two hemispheres which are scattered all over"
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"text": " So is there something that you can do, please tell me if this is uncouth, but is there something that you can do, even if it takes two minutes or whatever, in order to give some evidence for someone who's watching that you're accessing a place where there's information that you wouldn't have access to otherwise. So for example, to not to make this a carnival trick at all, but to say my birthday or my birth month or, or whatever it could be."
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"text": " It's not uncouth, but it's not really effective, and it doesn't work. I've been there and done that, and it doesn't work so much, and here's why. It's all intellectual."
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"text": " It doesn't help anybody. If you want to see evidence of people being able to do these things, I mean, real stuff that's written out, you know, not just some guy, because if you and I do something, you know, and I do some kind of thing with you and whatever, well, you and I could just be collaborating on that, you know, we could, you and I are co conspirators, it doesn't really prove anything to people. So they have to experience it themselves, or it's not their truth."
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"text": " reading about it, listening to it, seeing people do it, unless it's done with them, unless they're part of it, then it just doesn't help. It doesn't help them grow at all. It may get a gee whiz out of them, but it doesn't really help. So what they will what they can do if they really are serious about wanting evidence to see it, then where they what they should do is go to a"
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"text": " Um, remote viewing site. Now there's lots of remote viewing sites, but go to ones where they're really serious about it, where they study it, where they take remote viewing as a, as a science, they're working on it, get involved with them. In other words, are there any that you recommend? There's dozens of them. There's lots of them. You can find groups. I mean, you know, there is Dean Raiden. Yeah, I've heard of Dean Raiden. Dean Raiden does real experiments. Look at Dean Raiden's work. Yeah. Read his book."
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"text": " He's a good guy. He does real experiments, and he's very serious about his protocols and his science. So he's written a bunch of books. Read his books, and that would give you evidence. But again, people read the books, and they say, yeah, well, he could just be making all this up. And you'll go to a remote viewing site, and you could say, yeah, but all these people, maybe they're just making it up. So it won't help unless you find a good remote viewing site, because you can call D. Rayden. He probably won't let you just come in his lab. That would be"
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"text": " Probably it's not going to do that for very many people, but anyway. So the reason it won't work is because people won't believe it. No, the reason it's not worth doing is that people won't believe it. It's just not a good idea for one reason. And two, like I say, I try to keep low profile on the, on the weird side of things. So the more I do things like that, that is what I get remembered for. I can talk about the nature of reality and science and quantum mechanics for a hundred hours"
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"text": " And I do one paranormal stunt and that is how I know that just puts me in the light that I don't want to be in. I'm still a serious scientist and I need to get serious attention in the scientific world. So I don't want to emphasize that part of what I do, but go to a remote viewing site, make, look at one, get the sense that they're really real people doing things."
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"text": " Spend a month or two, following their sessions, following their things. Go to a course. There's hundreds of courses on remote viewing. You have to get involved yourself. If you don't get involved yourself, it's not going to affect you one bit. The reason I asked for some recommendations is because clearly there are some people who are scammers and then clearly there are people who, well, not clearly, but the claim is that there are people who are not. So then how does one disentangle?"
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"text": " Because? Because the system doesn't allow it. Because it's not on the path of low entropy, it's a path of high entropy. So the system does not allow it. Matter of fact, there was a story I read that a fellow who was very good at this, and I think he did it professionally, he was probably one of those people that stands up and"
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"text": " You'll find just go, go look for it. And you'll find that there's lots of evidence out there. If you're looking for evidence, read then Dean Raiden's books. He talks lots of experiments. All those things are just exactly the way he says they are. He's not a goofball, you know, doing crazy stuff. He's a, he's a smart guy and he's very careful about his science. He sees himself as a, as a scientist doing these experiments. So there's lots of proof. There's lots of stuff out there."
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"text": " I suspect did you get your two questions answered? Oh, I definitely got my two questions answered. Okay. Thank you. Okay, good. Well, I'll see you later. Go get a massage. Thank you, my friend. And I appreciate you being so generous with your time. And I appreciate you helping me through this. I know that I give the impression that I'm a close minded intellectual, but I wouldn't be talking to you if I was. And I think if you knew some of my views, you'd be somewhat astonished. Because, well, let me put it this way."
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"text": " I'm not convinced materialism is correct nor not correct and same with the multiverse, same with"
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"text": " Wolfram's theories same with yours. I'm sorry, but I don't know what's true And so when I do my meditation, I do go in with the intention of not having an intention I just go because I want to see I want to feel and you mentioned that maybe that could be holding me back Maybe I should go in with a bit more of a focus But then I am an intellectual and so it would mess with it But either way, I just wanted you to know that and the only reason I didn't correct you at any time is because I didn't want it to seem like I'm defensive about it and it's and also I don't"
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"text": " It doesn't matter too. I also want to see where would you go with that? Were you going to say that I'm more of a physicalist or a dualist or non-dualist? And I was just curious. So I'm poking at you because I'm poking at myself. I don't know. But I'm not trying to be falsely humble and say, I don't know all the answers. Like some people, I don't know the answers, but I'm not going to claim that I don't know all the answers because people who do that are, are virtue single, our virtue signaling when they do that, either way, that's where I stand. And I, that's a good place to stand. Look, you're a seeker."
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"text": " you're trying to find the truth and you will, if you keep searching, if you put the time into it, if you make an effort, if you're serious about it, you will get there. And there's, there's only one truth, but there's thousands of paths that'll get you to that truth. Yeah. So just work on it. And the things that work for you do those, the things that don't work for you, let them go. And you will eventually end up at that one truth. If you keep after it,"
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"text": " One question that occurs to me now, and hopefully you can answer it briefly, I know that it takes quite some time, but one question is, when you mentioned that we're this consciousness and we're logged onto the game, and that ordinarily we identify with the avatar of the game, and that that's a mistake, and what we should identify with, because it's true, at least in your theory, sorry to put quotation marks around it, at least it's true in your theory that this is who we truly are, the consciousness of love that's logged on."
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"text": " Then you said that when we die, well, some parts of our memory, I'm not sure if some parts are all, but regardless, let's not harp on that some parts of the memory at least continue on as well as with your choices."
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"text": " Whether you've done good or bad or evil or lower entropy or raised entropy, however you would like to word it. What I'm wondering is, is that supposed to bring someone comfort? I hear some people say this plenty. I hear some of the people who are on the more Vedic ends of the tradition that say, well, your consciousness does continue on past your death. Now on the Western end, they'll say your consciousness continues, but you go to a place. Whereas on the more Eastern end, it's your consciousness continues, but it's not you. It's not your ego. It's something else."
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"text": " But then what I'm wondering is the eastern side doesn't seem to provide at least someone like me. It doesn't provide me with any comfort because that me, that me, the player that's logged on bears so little resemblance to who I identify with now that it would be just like a materialist trying to give me hope by saying, well, all your molecules are going to continue on anyway. So technically you do live on, you're breathing the sun from you're breathing the big bang. So you are"
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"text": " I'm like, okay, well, I see that, but it bears so little resemblance to what I conceptualize as my identity. I don't give you a lot of comfort either. That Free Will Awareness Unit we talked about before, that's the part that's really logged on. That's the piece of the IUOC, Individual Unit of Consciousness, that's logged on to the avatar. That's a one-off."
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"text": " When after that life is done, that that partitions taken down, it's integrated back into the individuality of consciousness. And now a new partition gets put down with just what it's been learned. And that goes off and logs on. So all of those petitions, all those free will awareness units are just one offs. When they're done, they're done. But what you accumulate is all of your experience, all your growth, all of your learning, all of your"
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"text": " quality, all of your entropy reduction that is accumulated. And you have a database, it's not memory, but you have a database of all the things that you've done, all the thoughts, all the feelings. What about your friends?"
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"text": " What about the relationships? Are those also catalogued? Because I could imagine that even if somehow I am to continue on with my attributes, but if I don't have the people that I love around me and I'm not able to recognize them, at least then that also is somewhat meaningless, at least to me, at least right now."
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"text": " Yeah, that's because where you are now, and the way you see life and so on, and an ego that wants to continue on as you, and wants to continue on those relationships, because, you know, your children, your wife, you know, there's people who are dear to you, and you want that to continue on. It doesn't. That is here. When you die, your awareness of your life here begins to fade like a dream."
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"text": " and you don't continue that. It's not practical. Yes, that's kind of soft and warm and it's comforting, but it doesn't work that way because it isn't functional. It doesn't work. So let's say here you are and you've been through 10,000 lifetimes and you've had 10,000 sets of parents, you've had 30,000 children, whatever, and you're going to remember all those and want to do something with all those relationships, or is it just the last 20 or the last 500?"
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"text": " You know, it doesn't work that way. That just is going to wide you up into a big ball of, of stuff that is emotionally grabbing at you. And it's not going to be functional at all. Each time you take what you've learned, you graduate from third grade and you take what you've learned and you go into a fourth grade. And it's a new experience, new teacher, new subjects, expect you to know new things."
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"text": " So it's that comfort of you being you, well, it's only a problem if you see you as Kurt. If that's you in your mind as Kurt, then you have this problem. But if you in your mind is your individuated unit of consciousness, the collector of all the experience, if that's you, then you lives on forever. And it's not a problem. You realize that these relationships you have now, as meaningful as they are,"
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"text": " They happen because those are the people you ran into. If you're born on the opposite side of the planet, you'd run into different people. And next lifetime, you're going to run into different people, too. And most of your learning comes from these relationships. They're very important. They're very significant. But, you know, so is your third grade teacher significant, but you don't make her come along under the fourth grade with you. It's done."
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"text": " it's so yeah that's that's a cold prickly kind of thought to a lot of people who see themselves as their body they want that body person to continue and all those relationships to continue because that's kind of warm and and whatever and i guess christianity tends to tends to satisfy that warm fuzzy feeling some because that's something a lot of people like you know it's a very attractive thing to offer but that's"
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"text": " In Islam, that's not really how it works. It's not practical, it's not logical. I didn't put reincarnation in my system because I thought it was a really cool idea and the Buddha liked it. I put it in there because it was logically necessary for the system to work. Okay, oh man, there's one bit. I know I gotta go and I know I keep getting you, but here's something that, if I'm being honest, here's something that always"
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"text": " I guess it's like a splinter in the mind to use the term from the matrix with when I was reading your book. It's at times there's a denigration of thinking of the world in a traditional sense because AUM is so outside of what we can fathom. It's so enigmatic. But then at the same time, there seems to be a selective applying of certain principles that we can fathom here. So let's say you use some entropy analogies or you use the word logic, but even logic itself,"
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"text": " There's paraconsistent logic, there's classical logic, there's intuitionist logic, that's not clear. So then I'm like, well, why is it that AUO, if one was to apply the traditional man in the sky, or if one was Hindu, Brahman, Brahma, or Brahmin, and we are just part of the infinite dreams of Brahman, then those are to be bestowed as well as other formulations, like it's a consciousness that we can even conceive of, or that there are physical laws that"
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"text": " I think you understand what I'm saying."
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"text": " So there's all sorts of models around, and I would tell you that to be a seeker, stay"
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"text": " skeptical and see how it works for you. Where does it take you? And that's how you decide, not with your intellect, but by trying it, becoming it, living it, thinking about it, but applying it, not just thinking, not just coming up with a bunch of intellectual stuff inside your head that you can contrast and compare. That's not going to really help you learn anything. You need to actually walk that path."
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"text": " Do those things and see how does it feel? What are you learning? What are you getting from it? You walk that path for six months and are you a better person now? Do you feel good a year from now? After that, when you get to the point and you say, no, I'm not really changing any, it's not really doing that much for me, then go someplace else. Thousands and thousands of different paths that all will take you to the same place. As long as you stay open minded and skeptical, you will always get to the end point. You'll make it."
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"text": " It may be a circuitous path, but you will make it. So just go do experience B. Don't just think about it. Don't keep it all in your head. And then ask the question, is it helping? Am I better? Is my life better? Am I happier? Am I relationships better? Is it working? In the book, I say taste the pudding. And if it's working for you, do more of it. When it stops working for you, do less of it, go somewhere else."
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"text": " Okay, that sounds like a great place to end it, man. Thank you so much again for your extreme generosity. And I got to get going. I'm a bit late, but have a great one, man. I appreciate it. Hey, never be late to a massage. I'm going to read some thoughts."
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"text": " Thomas Campbell was one of the most highly requested guests on this podcast, so I tried to be as thorough as possible. I'm interested in the truth, though plenty of people consider him to be pseudoscience. I think that's unfair. While I get plenty of praise for interviewing Jeremy Corbell on UFOs, there were quite a few who disliked the subject matter being broached. I happen to dislike anathemas."
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"text": " If you're telling me that there's a realm of knowledge that should be limited to a certain sphere, and it's disallowable to explore what's outside that sphere, then I'm immediately skeptical. Let me come to my own conclusions."
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"text": " You're watching this because you want to come to your own conclusions. And that's wonderful. That's great. Those open-minded and exacting individual thinkers, that's what this channel is about. That's who it's for. My final thoughts are pretty much that I have my gripes. I'm not convinced that he's anywhere near to deriving the fundamental laws of physics mathematically. I see his theory as being so vast that whatever the mathematical nature of our laws do turn out to be,"
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"text": " It can still be incorporated into his model because AUO, which is absolute unbounded oneness, is so much like a blank parchment and ink that whatever equations you write on it, the AUO can say, well, yes, I predicted that because that's pen on paper. I'm not saying anything that I haven't said to Thomas or wouldn't say to Thomas Campbell. But again, this is all for you to decide on your own. I'm just giving you my own thoughts."
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"text": " In many ways, I'm still simply a cretinist imbecile who knows nothing, and I don't think I'm capable of articulating Thomas's theory back to him in a way that he would agree, which means I don't understand it, which means I'm not in a position to judge it yet. Okay, that's that. I have to get some rest. I have to eat. I have to break my fast. Have a good night. And, of course, please let me know your thoughts"
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