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Recently, I had the pleasure of speaking with Jeremy Corbell, a documentary filmmaker who specializes in what he calls the extraordinary.
So, UFOs, aliens, and the like. It might seem like a departure from the academic chaperone that you're used to from this channel, but keep in mind that the goal has always been to give you in-depth analyses on topics that are abstract in such a way that you can't find it pretty much anywhere else because I believe you're far smarter than other podcasts give you credit for.
and that if you don't understand some terminology or some mathematical concept, it's just a Google search away. You can learn it if you want to put the time in. Alternatively, you can go to the subreddit, a new one, which is recently launched for this channel called r slash theories of everything dedicated to expositing on theories of everything. This level of somewhat recondite detail is necessary if we want to get to the bottom of the fundamental laws of physics rather than stay at the surface. OK, so how does this all relate to Jeremy Corbell?
Recall that I'm of the opinion that a large breakthrough is necessary in physics, and I have a feeling it's going to come from the outside, though I can't prejudice myself as to where the signal or series of signals will come from. The ordinary physics community draws the line at consciousness. You know this. The ordinary member of the public draws the line at the supernatural or the paranormal. Now, I don't draw those lines. I find it dubious in pretty much each direction.
Whether consciousness is fundamental or ontologically primitive, or whether aliens exist or not, I'm unconvinced in each direction. However, I'm still willing to explore it. If aliens do exist, then that means there's new physics. See, I'm...
I don't see technological applications like some of the engineers. I happen to be theoretically trained so I see or at least I perceive potential new physics and that excites me. Now I have some issues with the way that gravity wave amplification is used because I don't see that as a coherent concept. I don't understand unless I see the equations. It's ill-defined to me. I also don't like the use of
The word dimension to speak about alternate realities because to me the word dimension is reserved for a degree of freedom. I also have a pet peeve of people saying space and time. There is no space and time. There is only space time. Not even a hyphen is technically space time. It's a four dimensional manifold. It's one object.
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is undaunted and has my respect and commendations. I'm lucky because this might be one of the most sobering and enlightening videos with him. Please support at patreon.com slash Kurt Jaimungal if you'd like to see more videos like this because right now I'm doing it pretty much pro bono and it takes quite a bit of time to do the preparation since the goal is to investigate with each guest at a more benthic level deeper and more academic let's say than
I'm here with Jeremy Corbell. Thank you, Jeremy. I appreciate you coming on. Thanks for having me on, Kurt. You know, you and me are similar in that we're filmmakers. We're both one man fans in that I write, direct, edit, produce, shoot my own films. How about yourself? Yeah, that's the only way I know how I'd love to work with other people. I just haven't gotten there yet. So I do everything on my own.
What's the thought process that you go through to select the topics for your films? The premise for each film that I've put out, I've done a lot of investigations. I haven't made films on each investigation. The premise has always been, can I move the ball forward? Can I bring something to light, show it in a way that hasn't been done before, that will
alter the narrative that will bring new information. And so that's kind of been my passion in one sense is that I would like to uplift the visual aesthetic on this topic that I love, which is UFOs and the mysterious and the unknown, but that I can also move the ball forward. So that's kind of been my two prong approach. I mean, I'm not a,
I didn't know if I was a filmmaker. I'd never made films before. I got I lucked out. I put one out on Netflix called Patient 17. It was my first film ever that I submitted and got picked up. But with all of my films, what you'll see is that I'm trying to humanize the individuals who I'm speaking with. There's no script in the standard sense. There are long form investigative documentaries where I embed myself in people's lives and their belief systems, their extraordinary beliefs.
I'm not choosing sides and saying someone should believe this or someone should believe that. I always leave it open to the viewer and I show it just as it is. This is what happened. This is what's going on. You know, you need to decide for yourself reality. And so I'm not preaching to anybody in my films. The world is mysterious. I have more questions than answers. So have you always been interested in the paranormal?
Yeah, I'm kind of allergic to that word because I don't know what normal is. Let's just use what I mean is what the general public would call paranormal. Yeah, it's just that I'd like to kind of combat that idea that things are considered paranormal, like germs were considered at one time magical. And it's just because we didn't understand them. And so I think that we have a lot of catching up to do.
These mysteries exist. These things occur. And putting your head in the sand is not going to do anything. So getting to understand the way that people engage what I call the phenomenon, which includes the paranormal, but is also related to UFOs, it's important that we understand that we might not understand it all yet. And so that's the kind of premise of my series, Extraordinary Beliefs, and all the films is, you know, let's talk about these things.
For people who are watching who are my audience, my usual audience, it might seem like a departure this interview, because I usually talk to professors of physics and so on. Yeah. And the channel is called theories of everything. So the goal is to explicate the current theories of everything as well as to generate my own. And it's somewhat of a process because I'm taking input from the audience. There's some people with, let's say, outrageous theories that or theories that are considered to be non rigorous. And I welcome them, unlike
Most people, and the reason is that I think that the innovation is going to come from the fringe rather than the center, and I could be wrong about that, but that's my intuition. So why am I interviewing Jeremy? Why am I interviewing you? One of the reasons is that what's held physics back for the past 40 years is a paucity of data, so a lack of data. And one of the reasons for that is it's high energy physics is it's extremely expensive.
When I look at someone like Bob Lazar, and Bob Lazar, I would think of him more as an extremely sophisticated engineer rather than a theoretical physicist. And I think that he considers himself to be an engineer, but I could be wrong. Either way, he looks at it as technology. And many of the interviews with UFOs, they talk about technology, technology. Now I see it from a theoretical physics standpoint. I don't see technology. I see new fundamental physics. And I'm curious. I'm so curious if any of this is true, while there's breakthroughs for
a potential theory of everything. For example, there's something called SO10, which is an flipped SO10, which is a unification of the weak and electromagnetic and strong force, but it doesn't incorporate gravity. It's pretty good theory. But I heard Lazar refer to the strong force as gravity number two, something like that. Now that like I would, I would love to explore, but either way, I think that you have some, it might not be mathematical, but you have some ideas as to what
possible new technologies, new physics exist. And I just want to speculate like mad here. Yeah, the physics of it's amazing. But let's back way the fuck up, you know, for your audience, people might not know. So let's start with this. So
My name is Jeremy Corbell. I'm a documentary filmmaker. I make investigative documentaries. I recently released one that was a Netflix smash hit, went all around the world, hundreds of millions of views. I went on the Joe Rogan podcast three times with three different individuals that I brought with me that all relate to this topic of UFOs. The man you mentioned, Bob Lazar, in case people don't know,
Bob Lazar is the reason why in the public consciousness you know about Area 51 and flying saucers. Bob Lazar is the reason for that. He came forward in 1989, over 30 years ago, and talked about how our government, the United States government, was attempting to reverse engineer these extraterrestrial machines, machines from other worlds, and that he participated in that attempt to reverse engineer those spacecraft.
People called him a fraud, a liar. They tried to dig into his personal life and decide that he's not telling us the truth about UFOs because he ran a brothel or all this crazy shit. But bottom line is, after 30 plus years, Bob Lazar's story stands true. He did exactly what he said he did. Now, people don't need to believe that. There's a much bigger picture going on here. The big picture is this.
Does our government, the United States government or world governments, do they have craft from other civilizations, advanced civilizations that are technologically more advanced and operate in the realm of physics that is beyond our understanding? That's the question. Bob Azar has always said, I can't prove everything in my story, but over time you'll see it's true. And the big thing for Bob was that Bob is a scientist.
So the big thing for Bob was the science and technology that's being hold back from humanity that are represented in these craft. Now, we couldn't replicate them. We couldn't reproduce them significantly in any way because the material science was the number one thing that held us back. But we did get an understanding how they operate, how they use gravity wave amplification to traverse space time. All of this sounds like science fiction. If I was talking to you,
five years ago. But in December of 2018, there was the announcement that the United States government had a program called ATIP, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
This program was tasked with identifying and tracking and trying to observe the flight characteristics and patterns of what we call UFOs, non-terrestrial vehicles. So it has been admitted that the United States military is investigating the UFO problem and that they've been doing so actively. There was another program called OSAP,
Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program. This was the mother program that housed the ATIP program. New York Times came out and said, these programs are real. And not only that, but we have fighter pilots like Commander David Fravor, who came forward, who chased the UFO for the United States government. I was the person that was able to get him first on record, long form audio coming forward, also first filmed interview coming forward. I also got the guy,
Uh, Chad Underwood, he is now commander, commander Chad Underwood. He's the guy that filmed the Tic Tac UFO, the now famous Tic Tac UFO. So that's kind of the brief history of what's been going on with Babazar and UFOs. But we're not a place. We understand how they work. It is not against our physics, how they work.
We have to reimagine what we don't understand about physics. It's gravity wave amplification.
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Okay, at times, I'm going to slow you down or ask you to repeat because I don't know too much about it. This is I have a brief foray into the UFO phenomena. So when you say a tip and ASAP and so on, I might get you to repeat them one for our audience, but two for me to write down to ask you some more questions and to investigate later. I just learned about John Lear today. So I was just watching some of your
I think it was episode one about John. Yeah, I abandoned that project a while ago. I filmed with John for about eight years, seven or eight years. And you know, he's the godfather of conspiracy. He's not the touchstone of truth that I go to about the UFO thing. He's wild. But as an individual, I really liked him. You know, so I filmed with him for about seven or eight years. Right. John Lear mentioned that he saw some object on the moon
Do you recall what he's referring to? John Lear has told me a lot of things, you know, people living on the sun, that kind of thing. I would not take anything that John Lear says as, you know, a touchstone of truth for the UFO topic. He is as fringe as fringe gets. I didn't document him because I believed him. I documented him because he's a character and he's the son of William P Lear, inventor of the Learjet and the 8-track stereo and Motorola company. And he's an interesting guy.
Bob Lazar stands aside. Bob Lazar was an employee hired through EG&G to work at a sub-base of Area 51 called Site 4, where he was tasked specifically with the power and propulsion of these non-terrestrial craft and trying to back-engineer them. Who else do you find credible? There's Bob Lazar, John Lear-Know, David Fravor,
And then you mentioned the guy who actually took the video of the tic tac. Yeah, there's a lot of people in the UFO field, right? But there's individuals who are kind of keystones along the way. Why Commander Fravor is so credible because he's a trained observer. He's a fighter pilot with more hours than anybody that was out on that mission, right?
And not only did he engage this tic-tac-shaped UFO that defied our known physics, its propulsion system was a reactionless system. Usually things push something out the back and they go forward. This had none of that. It was a gravitational system. You could tell by the acceleration, the lack of the sonic boom, the instantaneous control turns and speeds.
Commander Fravor is a trained observer who came forward both in briefings to Congress, private briefings to Congress, as well as intelligence reports, and then publicly once I was able to really bring him out. He is credible because of who he is. And then, of course, there were other witnesses, and that's what makes for a good UFO case. There are other trained witnesses, and we have footage of that one. It's one of the famous three videos that was released by the Pentagon showing the world public
The UFOs exist, they're flying with impunity in our airspace, and they've been here a long time. So, you know, this is not impunity. You don't mean that they're exempt from punishment. They would try to punish them if they could. It's just that we can't do anything about it. We can't do a thing about it. If you look, if you look at the 1952 flyovers in Washington, D.C., a very famous mass sighting that occurred on multiple weekends and all the newspapers came in. What was that? Do you mind repeating that?
It's 1952 flyover, Washington DC. It's a mass UFO sighting that was covered on multiple weekends. We scrambled jets, fighter planes, and they literally could not catch up with these objects, with these craft. So when I say flying with impunity, what I mean is that there is a technology that somebody has, an aerospace technology, and that we are incapable
of defense or offense when we try to compete with the maneuverability of these craft. This is something that has been occurring a long time. Additionally, there are incursions on military bases, documented incursions on nuclear bases, where these vehicles, these craft have come in and have shut down our nuclear weapons. This happened at Maelstorm Air Force Base,
There's a guy named Robert Salas who is the man in the minute man bunkers and he actually is a friend of mine and we've gone through the case it's now public and this is something to know that not that these things are hostile just that they are much more technologically advanced than anything that we have we work on reactionary propulsion systems you know that all airplanes all aerospace we still use the same rockets to get up out of Earth's orbit that we did 50 years ago
So this is a different technology. This represents not only a different technology, but this represents possibly a different advanced culture. And it's not something you can get around. The evidence is so weighty for so long that if people don't know about it, they haven't been paying attention. What do you think is the reason for the visitation? Oh, I have no idea. No idea. I could theorize all day long, man.
Maybe they like our truffles. Well here's one.
Here's one reason why I used to not believe, and I'm not saying I do believe, it's just that I remain open. It's not a matter of belief. It's not a matter of belief. It's true whether you want to believe it or not. I mean, there's documented cases, more evidence for this than there is for most things on planet Earth. There's more incursions. There's more evidence of UFO presence than almost anything. There's so many cases over so much time with so many credible witnesses. Now we have film footage, radar footage. It's not a matter of belief.
So why do you think that they look somewhat like us, that they're hominid, that they have two eyes, that they have two, you know, there's something called convergent evolution, but it's not as if all intelligent species must converge to be like us. So I'm curious, why do you think it is that they look similar to us? I don't mean to be coy, but I don't know that they do. And the reason is, when you first start looking into UFOs, you get all these ideas. You're like, they must be from other planets.
Why are they visiting here? That's like UFOs 101, the first thought you got. Then you're like, oh, they've been represented to look kind of hominid, you know, whatever, bipedal creatures. The more you look into this, the more you realize all of that is not supported with the evidence. It turns out we don't know if these craft are from other solar systems or if it's strange.
If it's a dimensional reality, if these things are popping in and out somehow into our dimension, we don't know. We are so far behind in understanding it. Certainly, hard physical craft makes you think they're from other planets, for sure. Could be. Maybe they're looking at us like they would livestock, like a commodity. Maybe they have some investment in the human species for some reason, and this is why they show or flex
on the powers of our nuclear weapons, which they've done a lot. Additionally, the other thing... What do you mean when you say that? You mean that when we have done nuclear tests, the UFO sightings have increased? So there's a lot of information and evidence of the UFO phenomenon engaging our nuclear process. So everything from coming into very famous cases, like I mentioned before, Maelstrom Air Force Base,
There is a UFO, a disk that came in and shot a beam of light down into the nuclear silo. And again, don't believe me, this is documented fact. This came out through FOIA. This came out through information acts. And it shut down our nuclear weapons. It was a display of power. So why are they doing that?
And they're not only doing it to us, there's also documented cases in Russia at the same time, at the height of the Cold War. So obviously there's some sort of message being sent where whoever's occupying these craft, whoever's piloting these craft, whether it be a physical being or an artificial intelligence, whatever's piloting these vehicles,
They're showing us, hey, we can shut down your nukes at any time. So I would suggest everybody look into that. So, you know, just look at this guy and say, Oh, a crazy guy told me this. Look into it. This is something that is verifiable fact. And if any, sorry, if any of you who are listening are somewhat specialized in the UFO field, if you don't mind putting some of the sources, because I can't get to them all, that'd be great. And then I can link them in the description. Okay, continue.
Yeah, and then I just want to touch upon what you said, because we're going through this zeitgeist of like what UFOs are. So people are like, oh, they're from other planets. I am unconvinced. The more I learn, I'm unconvinced. This is a phenomenon of just other people from other star systems coming here. The evidence does not suggest that when you really look at the totality of the evidence.
It's not just flying saucers, shaped as saucers. We have all shapes and sizes of vehicles that shouldn't be existing in our skies. Again, Commander Fravor chased a tic-tac-shaped UFO. There's a very famous case called the Phoenix Lights, and this is a mass sighting of a triangular-shaped craft a mile wide. We don't have anything like that in our arsenal. And people that you speak with who actually saw it, I interviewed a doctor and a lawyer, husband and wife,
Who saw it this this thing came over it touched mountain to mountain. So it's over mile wide and when it came over them totally silent. It was like as if there was a bubble around them of silence like all the crickets stopped everything and they're looking at what would have been the bottom of this thing and it looks like waving of glass like they can see the stars through it and there's a lot of reasons.
You can see different optics when you see these crafts because of how they're powered, how they distort, how they navigate is through a propulsion system based on gravity. As we know, gravity distorts time and space. So you can get an optical illusion just looking up at these things. Back to the beings, because this is always exciting. People will say, well, they look like us, they're bipedal. No, that's not true.
There are so many cases of the grays, right? That's what you're referring to, this popularization of the gray alien. And yeah, a lot of people have seen that. Betty and Barney Hill were the first abduction case to identify this type of being in the pop culture. However, there's been a lot of reports of different types of operators of these craft. They look very different than that.
So I can't say for sure that we're being visited by another planet. I can't say for sure that these things look a certain way. Again, these could be artificial cyborg intelligences that are just being controlled by a super intelligent AI. We don't know who's controlling and piloting these craft that could be drones.
When you say that it's not necessarily from outside of our solar system, then do you mean that it's us in the future? Or do you mean that it's when you say another dimension? I'm unclear. So please speculate. I'm unclear. I don't even know what another dimension means. I'm not that smart. I just know that the evidence doesn't suggest that this is just people from zeta reticuli star system coming in and visiting us because they like our mushrooms. I mean, I don't know. But people have theorized
that these are extratemporal beings, by the nature of time travel itself, or by the nature of gravitational travel itself, you do have distortions in time and space. So some people say they're extratemporal, they're us from the future. I have no idea. The evidence doesn't suggest that to me. But the more exotic theories is this idea of extradimensionals, that there are these kind of perforations in our reality.
our dimension and that beings and yet craft can come through. Now I don't know the physics of it, I don't know if that's true, but I do know that the study the government did on a place called Skinwalker Ranch in Utah, where a lot of these phenomena seemed to express themselves, they were doing so because they saw deployment, they saw
tears what appeared like tears in the sky and craft and beings come through now whether you believe this or not our government did study this ranch for many years our defense intelligence agency did they thought it was a real threat so my point is i don't know the more i learn the less i know about ufos
Are they just beings from another planet? Or is it stranger, like inter-dimensionals, extratemporals? I don't know. Have you heard any great ideas as to why they flex in isolated situations? For example, why don't they now, why don't they come to a place like New York or Toronto and show themselves if they want to show their prowess? Why is it always in places where there's lack of footage or secrecy?
Well, we no longer have have lack of footage, you know, there's lack of high resolution footage, let's say, okay, but that's another misnomer, you know, because the the FLIR pod, the FLIR pod footage, that's it's not like an iPhone, those things are targeting systems, their weapon systems, those are multimillion dollar camera systems, they're just showing you a thermal
You know signature because of the they want to look for thermal signatures to see what how these things are propelling So if you had a normal camera, you'd get less information So the footage albeit square black and white and grainy gives us more information about that vehicle the tic-tac UFO in 2004 off of the west coast of California Then if you had a normal camera, but to your point your point is well
If they're here, why haven't they landed on the White House lawn? Why haven't they said, hey, we're here? And a lot of people, you know, over centuries have asked that question. It's like, you know, what are these things and why aren't they presenting themselves? I would argue that they are, that they do so in a very delicate and intricate manner, that they do so to a variety of individuals throughout time.
Obviously, if they wanted to show great power, if they wanted to show a great force, they could do so. They could shut down our nuclear weapons or turn them on. So there you go. Maybe there's a program in place. I would like to believe it's an educational program that over time we're being acclimated to this other reality. I don't know that to be true. Maybe, as I said before, there's a reason
Have you explored any connections between psychedelics and aliens?
I'm interested in the expansion of consciousness and what exists within our consciousness that is untapped.
So, you know, my psychedelic experiences have been beautiful. I never have communed with the aliens or anything. I don't know if there's a direct connection. A lot of people have this these great ideas that, you know, the planet was seeded from outer space on an asteroid by mushrooms to enhance, you know, homo sapien and bring them up in intelligence. And I mean, that's that's a derogatory theory. You know, I don't know. I just know that people do draw that connection in that
The expanse of our consciousness seems a little bit less limited when you open these doors of perception through things like psychedelics, properly used, maybe ceremonially used and not frivolously used, you know, go into a rave or something. But I don't think they're the key. And I don't think they're the answer.
And I think that if we were going to learn something from them about these visitors, we probably would have learned them thousands of years ago. Human beings have been doing psychedelics for thousands of years. So I wouldn't go jump and do a whole bunch of psychedelics to try to communicate with the aliens. It's not going to work. Why do you think it is that the government released some of the videos, the TikTok video in particular?
I know specifically why they released reluctantly these videos because of public pressure, pressure on the inside and pressure on the outside. There's a number of people who worked to get these videos released. It's not something that the Department of Defense and the intelligence agencies freely wanted to release. Why give the public information about something that one, we don't know that much about and two, we certainly cannot control.
It needs to be perceived as a threat from a military perspective until we can identify the pilots, the purpose and intent. So it's not just like the government's like, oh, UFOs are real. Here you go. There's a lot of people that worked to get that information out. Remember, if you're a fighter pilot and you chase one of these things and you go start talking about it,
People are going to think you're not wrapped so tight and they're going to take away your wings is what they used to do, stop you from flying. No fighter pilot wants that. So now they're trying to make it, there's actually new policies that have been promised to make it easier for people to report these near misses they call them, like close encounters. And if we do that, then people won't be stigmatized as much and we'll get more data.
So you think it's because perhaps they want more data and they just want to destigmatize it? You know, I don't know that that's I think they have way better technology than the civilian world. I don't think they need us anymore. You know, for UFO data, I think that they can track something the size of a golf ball coming in from from outer space. So I don't think they need more data. I think it was just public pressure. People know this stuff is real. They see it. Pilots see it.
Individuals see it. I mean, it's tracked on radar systems. It's hard to continuously cover it up. You know, I want to defend you for a bit because you take a lot of flack and I feel like much of it is undeserved. We're going to get into some of the criticisms of you. I'm curious as to what you think about them. But the way that I view it is there are very few people with the breadth of knowledge that you have when it comes to this topic. And this topic is extremely prepossessing. It's frightening. It's also enrapturing. And I see you like
Maybe George Knapp can rival you. So George Knapp is like you on Benadryl. And you are like George Knapp on Ritalin. So I like George Knapp, at least from what I've seen of him. And I'm a fan of you, so I want to defend you. Guess what? What have people said? Let me know. Tell me.
Well, if you look at the comments in some of the Joe Rogan interviews, actually, I don't know specifically, but what do you see as some of the best criticisms of you and what do you see as some of the worst? Which one do you not pay attention to?
I've stopped paying attention to other people's perception of me a long time ago. It's not important to my well-being. It's not important to my spiritual evolution or personal evolution. I have friends who have completely different points of view than I do.
But social media really allows people to be so anonymous that they speak with authority about something that they don't have authority on. So, you know, yeah, man, people, you know, they hate me for my beard, they hate me for my attitude, they hate me for talking. If I say a word, you know, I shouldn't be able to say that word. So I don't really care. Sure, if I were to go in and read thousands of comments, you know, on the Joe Rogan podcast,
You know, that would be the worst thing I could do in my life because it's just like people call you a shithead over and over. You might start believing it, but ultimately I know who I am and the truth is I'm a curious individual. I want to get closer to the truth. I'm not afraid of speaking up and saying what I believe to be true or what I know or what I don't know. My personality is not one to sit. I would get nothing done if I just sat back.
And let things come to me. I go for them. I try to dig in and find out the truth on things. And for some people that's off-putting. So yeah, I get love letters, you know, and then some that are not so love letters. And I think the ones that are very vocal are the ones that, you know, try to diminish me or, you know, say that I'm somehow a problem.
Complementary in some sense.
I don't consider that a compliment. I consider that like a, you know, a mental disorder. I, you know, I, I don't know. People are very passionate about the UFO topic and I think it strikes a lot of nerves. And I think that you see that polarization in social media comments. So what you're bringing up is a lot of people talk shit about me. That that's what you're bringing up. And fact, that is true. I think in a disproportionate amount of people like to talk shit about
My parents is or what I talk about or when I make films or stuff like that. I don't let that affect my work. If something is good, if it's like a constructive criticism, I guess they say, I'll better myself from it. Right. And most of people call themselves skeptics are more in the business of tearing down rather than building up. So it's not much constructive. Oh, no. Yes. Skeptics are like debunkers. People that just
Well to defend you and to defend debunkers, there is a place for them because you need to know your harshest critiques in order to strengthen your own theory. But then at the same time, I'm also a fan of
There's something called a meiudic method. It's a Socratic method of eliciting ideas, and I don't see them as engaging in that. They may say that what we're doing is trying to get to the truth, but the truth is also in part a creative process and not just a purely destructive one.
Yeah, and there's a difference between somebody who's skeptical, because, believe it or not, I'm extremely skeptical, I have to deal with so much bullshit, so many lies in the UFO field, that I've honed myself to have a bullshit meter. I mean, I am as skeptical as they come. But I'm not a debunker. You know, debunkers are people that try to just say what Commander Fravor saw was a reflection inside the hood of his airplane and
Forget the radar data. Forget the other pilots that saw it. Forget the internal investigations through the Defense Intelligence Agency. None of that matters. He saw a reflection inside his cockpit. That's ridiculous. These are ridiculous people saying ridiculous things to try to presuppose their initial assertion. I'm curious about how you structure your day. What time do you wake up?
And how long do you work for? And do you have to work in solid blocks? How do you get inspired? I don't advise anybody to take my advice on how to structure your life. See, I don't think I've got the model life. Forget about advice. I'm just curious as to how you do it. Yeah, okay. Well, I was a mixed martial athlete my whole life. So starting at nine years old, you know, up until 2004 is when I officially stopped, you know, training.
I was a very dedicated physical individual. So from training to meditation to diet, very strict, you know, I trained probably, you know, eight hours a day. So coming from that place, I had like a life changing experience with illness. And then I started on a new path, a path of art and a path of film. And since that time,
My daily habits have fluctuated, but the thing that remains kind of consistent is I don't sleep very much. I've always been one of those people that just work creatively best at night. I go to bed when the sun comes up or whenever I feel like it and I sleep as long as I want. But I, you know, I don't sleep a lot. You know, average is like five to seven hours a night. I eat once a day.
That's another thing that has always been kind of for me is I eat when I'm hungry. I'm hungry once a day. I don't know. I like beer more than water. Do you meditate still? Not in the same way. No, my life has changed a lot from that physical discipline. I will say, though, that all those years of intensive training, both physical and then mental with meditation,
I can kind of be doing anything. And I feel I'm in that meditative state. So if I have to clean my room, or do the dishes, you know, that's when I take that silence. What kind of meditation was it mindfulness, transcendental?
Well, as movement meditation, it all started initially with Jiu Jitsu, and then I developed a form of yoga that was handed to me for martial arts for martial athletics. So it was a form of yoga called warrior yoga, and it basically trained me and then then my students and I opened up schools all around the US and actually outside of the US to use a movement meditation and incorporates breath and very strenuous exercise that work with the fine twitch muscles.
And so I did that for probably 20 years. And, uh, you know, then I did see the medicine. I traveled all around the world looking for people to learn from, from martial arts to meditation, to healers, to seekers, to, you know, I've been all around the world. This is before your foray into filmmaking or this is afterward. Yeah, it's a joke. I'm a filmmaker. Like I had no idea that I would ever become a filmmaker. I was a mixed martial athlete. That's it. That's all done.
And, you know, then I got an illness and it transformed me. I was not able to be physical in the same way. It's called valley fever. And, you know, a good year of my life, I could barely walk. So I was, it just changed my trajectory and I fell into filmmaking. And then I realized that I could do it, that I could do it well.
How is it that you get the funding to do the films? What does it cost? I have to buy buy a couple cameras, and I have to travel places to talk with cool people.
I mean, it's all my own personal, there's no big budget. I don't have a big company. It's me, a couple of cameras and, and, you know, travel. Yeah. I mean, I, I also, I survive off of real estate. I manage properties. People don't know that because they've never asked me. But yeah, this, you know, I, when I was much smarter in my martial arts days, I bought a couple of properties. So I manage those properties and that funds my, you know, fuels my film funding.
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Okay, so pretty much you just need money to live and then you like doing filmmaking. So you go out and film make and then you can maybe sell some copies of the film, get some money that way. But either way, you're just self-funding because you're interested in it. Yeah, it was never a question. I didn't even know I was going to put movies out that the camera. It was like a, it was like a gag. You know, the camera was like my passport into people's lives. Right. I just wanted to learn from them. And I found out real quickly, you point a camera at them and they start talking, you know, they're telling you stuff they've never told their families before.
So making a film was just me sharing my life experience, what I have learned, who I have met. And I was very lucky in that aesthetically, you know, companies like Netflix were like, fuck, this is good. And they were like, we're gonna put it out. So finally, I'm making money on my movies. Let's go through some of the creative process. What's going on on the board behind you? How do you structure your scenes? And is that helping you structure your scenes?
Well, yeah, it's kind of like a free association wall in that, you know, I get my base ideas, like even the title of the film, I go through a bunch of different versions. And then, yeah, what I'll do is I'll structure the footage that I have. I think I do this probably the worst way possible, in that I edit all my footage. So usually people film for a few years, and then they take portions of it to piece together a film.
Right. What I do is I come home after filming and I edit every single scene in its full length to perfection. So when it comes time to putting together a narrative in a movie, I already have these perfectly edited long form scenes and I'll go in and grab a piece from there, put it, sew it in there. So I edit all my footage. I don't ever let something sit.
How do you choose when to put some of those interludes or some of those recreations, like for example, there was this isn't a recreation, but you filmed, I think it was John Lear's kid with fake blood as well as you walking into the desert with a voice. So I'm just curious, do you see them as, okay, I have seen A and seen B and you need to connect them. What makes you create a scene that wasn't filmed in field?
Right. So really for me, it was when I was, let me use a concrete example. So the Bob Lazar film. So I've got a director's cut version. It's really long, right? And I'm like, okay, it needs to be about an hour and a half. How can I tell this 30 year story in an hour and a half with this huge movie that I've already cut? So really it's about paring it down to be the most pointed. What are the most important parts? And I brought it down, down, down. Then I got to a point.
Whereas like I need to put something in there to show the moment that I got notified about the FBI raid on Bob Lazar's business. So I'm free to film I have
my studio I can film in. So exactly like it happened to me that morning, I brought the text onto my phone and filmed at different angles in that pink intro to the film. It was to give people this cinematic feeling of what it was like when I actually picked up my phone and called George Knapp and Bob. I was like, what the fuck just happened?
So I insert these parts to the movies based upon kind of what I feel is lacking. But it's really easy, man. Pick up a camera. The world is out there. There's a lot to film. How long is this director's cut? Is it ever coming out? I don't know. I think I'll put it out in sections. So the Bobbizarre Area 51 and Flying Saucers, that's the name of the Netflix film. You know, imagine there's thousands of hours of footage with Bob that I have.
Surrounding him, his life, his entire family, all the other investigations that I've done surrounding Bob's story. The movie is an hour and a half. So what I've been doing is on my Netflix or my YouTube channel, I've been putting out extended bonus scenes or deleted scenes, I'm calling them. And so that's so that people get to see these longer interviews with Bob.
I'm a completely independent filmmaker. I let them use the movie for a certain amount of time. I own everything. I own all my own content. I allowed them to use the hour and 30 movie to put on their platform, but I am the owner of all my own content.
So that's how it works is I gave them the hour and 30 section. Cool. Let's get to this background one more time because I'm curious about it. Why don't you take me through a specific example? How is it that you make the connections? Make the connections to what?
You said that what you have is almost like somewhat of a madman approach where you put different pictures on the wall. Maybe you draw lines and you put together, I'm assuming, either a theory or a theme or you're trying to prove a certain point. Can you take me through an example of your creative process? Yeah, sure. Well, the main thing really is, again, I'm trying to uplift the visual aesthetic.
for UFO films right so I want people to be enticed by the look and the feel kind of the playfulness of a film I don't want it to be this dry ancient aliens kind of this happened on this day you know with my films I try to give a little bit of personal character to it so that's why I had like Mickey Rourke
You know, the controversial Mickey Rourke, you know, narrate with like a mouthful of gravel in my film, you know, I can barely understand him. A lot of people say that's the point shithead. You know, the point is to get people to listen and be enthralled by his strange voice. And he was talking poetically. He wasn't just giving you factual things about the movie. I wrote him a script that's like super poetic and weird and psychedelic and
So you're talking about my chalkboard wall. So wherever I've lived,
I've done a coat of magnetized paint and then I've done chalkboard paint and I get neodymium magnets so that they're very strong super magnets and I can put up pictures and kind of use the wall as kind of like how the movie's playing out and how to structure scenes to some degree. Everything from music and the soundscaping that I've done which is very intricate if you've listened to any of my films. You do your own music? Well I work with a couple musicians that give me
the same beats in sections of tones, not like usually full songs, and then I weave all of those hundreds of sections into songs. There's a guy named Red, Blue, Black, Silver, who I worked with for both Hunt for the Skinwalker, which is my film on Hulu, and then the Babasar Air 51 to Flying Saucers, and he sometimes gives me larger songs, but he gives me a lot of just audio clips. So I soundscape
the films over the months by using certain tones for certain people to create to create an emotion. So yeah, I guess the wall is kind of where I can take these investigations and say, I've talked to this person, they said this, this is the next person I have to call, they're going to connect me with them. It's like an active board for me when I'm doing these investigations, because a lot of times they're happening during the filming. So same with the Babazaar thing.
When I got the guy who did Bob Lazar's security clearance to work at Area 51, at first he was going to go on camera with me, and then he basically decided not to go on camera with me because it was explosive, what he had to say. He goes, I remember Bob. I did his security clearance. So all I could do in the film is report on that. Trust me or not, I talked to the guy. His name is Mike Figpin. And I got a hold of him. After 30 years, I was able to find him. You mentioned George Knapp.
George Knapp is an investigative reporter out of Las Vegas, Nevada. He's the guy that broke the Area 51 story on Bob Lazar. You had mentioned him earlier in the interview. George Knapp has been a mentor to me.
So George has helped me with my investigations and we've done a couple of films with him. He's featured in two of my three major films. Right. You use some of his footage in Skinwalker, correct? Absolutely. That was footage the world had never seen. He had been documenting Skinwalker Ranch for like 20 years and no one wasn't allowed to put the footage out, but I was able to get it for that film. Do you think aliens have communicated with our government explicitly?
Yeah, I'm curious about that myself. Not sure. I think it's I think, look, it's step one time, man. Step one is the general public needs to get caught up. They need to get caught up with the fact that the UFO presence is real, that we are being visited on a regular basis by an intelligence that are flying hard craft that are far outpace our technology.
And we think we know how they work. Our government thinks they know how it works. They can't replicate it. But as far as you know, there's no documents that say that the aliens have explicitly communicated with USA or Russia. There's nothing that I would concretely say, you know, a classified document that I would say that's probably real. I have obtained documents that say as much, but the
The authenticity of these documents will always be in question because you can't track the source. And the documents, are they implying some sort of collusion between the aliens and the government or is this something else? Okay, so anybody that wades into the UFO world really, really needs to protect themselves from disinformation. There have been active programs of disinformation that have been admitted to by our government. So as far as I know, there's Project Blue Book. Is that what you're referring to?
No, no, but different. Okay, so this is important. Project Blue Book was the it ended in 1969. Supposedly, it was the United States government study of UFOs. Now what people don't know is they are a lot of people don't know is that there were two UFO study programs before project sign and project grudge. Sign as in sine wave or s i g n sine.
Project Sign and Project Grudge, and then there's Project Blue Book. And this is the one that's very famous that everybody knows about, where the US government said the famous saying where J. Allen Hynek, who ran Project Blue Book, said that one of the UFOs was swamp gas. You ever hear that? Oh, it's probably swamp gas. It's a very famous thing that people say to debunk UFOs.
Jay Allen Hynek who ran Project Blue Book later apologized for that because he knew the UFO topic was real and he was mandated to quote unquote demystify the UFO topic to the public. So Project Blue Book was a sham and now everybody knows that there are cases that they can't describe but their mandate was to try to calm the American public.
Ultimately, it's been revealed that it was at best a disinformation project in that this was the official study of UFOs by the United States government.
People involved in that process, like J. Allen Hynek, later revealed that their mandate was to suppress the information, was to minimize it, was to come up with prosaic explanations. And this is what that term swamp gas comes from. Now, our government, the United States government, also told us that our study of UFOs ended in 1969. We now know that to be a lie.
I told you about OSAP and I told you about ATEM. Those programs have now been acknowledged. So our government did not stop studying UFOs. Of course they didn't. They represent a technology that's far superior to what we have. We want that technology. Whoever gains the technology that is shown in these UFOs, they win. They win everything.
It is a technology that cannot be competed with. It can be weaponized. If these things do travel using gravity wave amplification, if that's true, then this can be weaponized. So in the history... Go ahead. No, I was gonna make a joke. Go ahead, I like jokes. Speaking of weaponized, one of my first questions to you was,
Has your curiosity been weaponized? I asked the audience for a few questions. Someone said to ask him if his curiosity has been weaponized. I didn't get it until I watched a few interviews. My curiosity has been radicalized. Are you kidding me? What I've learned through all of this? Are you kidding me? Yeah, of course, man. So for your audience that doesn't know, I am accused, rightfully so, of saying weaponize your curiosity almost every time I talk.
And I make a point of doing it. I think it's hilarious. I think I like to see people get so upset about it. What does weaponization have anything to do with it? Look, your curiosity is your greatest weapon, man. It's what allows you to ask questions, right? If you don't ask questions, you're never going to even get close to the answer. So always make the joke weaponize your curiosity. Yes, my motherfucking curiosity has been weaponized.
I got a few IMDB credits here for you. Apparently you're still working on them. So there's extraordinary beliefs. It says it's a TV series or filming immaculate deception, filming indelible, filming truth embargo, filming storm area 51 filming and then post-production on looking up and moonwalker. Is that true? Or are you just pretty much working on? Yeah. And I think people are going to be really upset if they try to put me on a timeline. I'm one person.
Yeah, I'm filming on all of those. Some of them I think are probably finished filming and, you know, depending on where I put my effort next, you know, I'll come out with that film. For example, Immaculate Deception. I filmed, as I said, for seven or eight years with John Lear. That's that movie. I could make that movie right now. I could cut that movie. It's not the time for it. It's not the time for that movie. So
All of those are projects of mine that are in the phase where they can start being edited, but I don't know what I'm coming out with next. I haven't chosen. How do you decide when the time is right to release a particular film? Right. So for Hunt for the Skinwalker, which was my second big film, came out on Hulu, I knew it was time for that film to come out. Because if you watch the beginning of that film, we announce that there's about to be a
paradigm shift about UFOs in the public. That is before the New York Times article came out, identifying the UFO study programs. So because I had prior knowledge that the US government was going to announce through the New York Times that this was going to be announced, I knew that film had to be made because what people didn't know
is that a lot of those programs specifically tied back to Skinwalker Ranch. Skinwalker Ranch had been a mystery before my film. Nobody had ever seen footage from inside of Skinwalker Ranch come out into the public domain for 25 years. Never happened until my film. So I knew it was time for that film because I had pre-knowledge
that these UFO cases are going to come out to the New York Times. Speaking as a filmmaker, how long did it take you to develop the relationship so that you can get inside knowledge? Because if you're just someone from the outside, even if you say, well, I'm making a documentary on topic X, you'll get a surface level clearance, let's say, and you don't have the connections. How long did it take you to build it? What did you do? What tactics? I have a charming personality. Can't you tell?
That's my best tactic. I'm not in the military. I don't have a security clearance. I've never signed an NDA for anything. I'm lucky. I have a good mentor in George Knapp. He's certainly opened a lot of doors for me with witnesses, I'd like to say.
And I think just over time, I've been persistent about it. I've been interested in UFOs before I started making movies. So I look, I've been able to be led into the Annapolis Naval Academy and sit in on classes, you know, have to do the aerospace. I've made great connections with individuals who would have access to these UFO based programs within our within our government. And I've never burned anybody. I've never spoken out of school.
So the people that have come forward to me, I've never burned them. So imagine what I'm showing you in my films and the information that I'm bringing forward. There's a lot more that I've never said because I would never burn somebody for giving me information. Has the government ever contacted you or followed you or have you received any threats or strange occurrences like Lazar had his doors opened and his gun that was in his glove compartment put on his seat and so on?
Yeah, no, I've only been assisted by individuals within government and agencies. The only strange thing that ever happened to me was that that raid on Bob Lazar right in the middle of my filming. They waited. We have the documents that show that they were watching, you know, in preparation for that raid while I was there in Michigan.
So I've never had any negative thing. People actually call me with tips all the time, whether they can go public or not go public. People now come to me.
And that's interesting. So I think just over time, people have realized, and they've told me this, people call me after the Lazar film. They're like, I know Bob's telling the truth. And here's my little one thing I can tell you, but I don't want anybody to know it came from me. And they contact you over a phone, text, email or in person or letter or what? It always begins with email or usually begins with email.
Okay, let's get to this Bob Lazar raid because I was unclear about something when it was shown in the film. So let's say you're talking to Bob,
Some forested area, if I recall. I could be wrong. Either way, whatever. You're talking to Bob. I remember seeing trees. So there's some trees. Is it away from his house? Or is it right in his backyard?
Yeah, well, in Michigan, he had a large property and the scene you're talking about just for your audience. So Babazar has always claimed that these craft are gravity driven, that there's a gravity wave amplification propulsion system in these saucers that he was able to work on or explore the power of propulsion in one of them.
He also claimed that the craft was fueled by a super heavy element called element 115, but a version of element 115 that is stable, where its half life is significantly long enough to have these properties. So Bob has always claimed that. In the film, I was asking him specifically about that.
and about the claim that he got a piece of the stabilized 115 out of Los Alamos. Actually, people thought it's site for everyone. It's not. He claimed he got a piece out of Los Alamos National Laboratory, where they were machining the element 115 to send back to the test site. I see. But the people at Los Alamos didn't know what they're machining. Correct. As a contracted job, according to Bob,
it was shipped under a code name LA 1000 and they would tell the machinist that it was an exotic armor and machinist is not going to sit there with spectroscopy and like figure out you know the composition it's okay cool I'm going to machine this precisely so they would bring it in and they they'd machine it in a very specific way that you can see kind of detailed on my YouTube probably on my YouTube site or a little bit in the film
And Bob did claim to get at least one piece out from Los Alamos. And he's been very cagey about that. Although he did do an experiment, a cloud chamber test, and there were witnesses, and I've spoken with all of them. There are witnesses in the room with him at home. And I'll tell you this, Bob believed that he had a piece of element 115. His friends who were scientists, many of them, scientists, George Knapp saw the experiment as well. They believed
that he had a very unique element that had properties that had yet to be seen. And this is before laser pointers, right? So they were doing a cloud chamber test to show how light bent because of the, I guess, gravity differential with the piece of 115.
If you had a laser pointer back then, you could just shine a laser over it. And if it was real, it would have been. But they didn't at that time. They weren't readily available. This was 1989. So they did a cloud chamber experiment in Bob's backyard. I mean, Bob's a smart guy. He built two particle accelerators, one in New Mexico and one in his bedroom in Las Vegas. You know, he's a very technical guy and a really interesting scientist. And so that talk
In my movie, In the Forest, you know, was, I don't know, 600 meters away from Bob's front door, right? It's a pretty significant distance on his property. And we thought our conversation was private. And in my film, I just show you a little bit, I show the viewer that we are talking about element 115. We are talking about the idea that he might have retrieved a sample of element 115
And if you believe that he did, that might give a rational explanation for the intense FBI multi-agency raid of his facility, which happened the next day, the day I left. So that was the point in the movie. Now, of course, I fast forwarded through that scene in the movie. I am not showing the contents of that conversation.
Okay, so is the insinuation that the FBI or the CIA or whatever it may be was listening to you, even though you were 600 meters away from the house? Oh, they were. Yeah. Yeah. Like with some sort of shotgun microphone or we don't place transmitters? Man, I gotta tell you, it drove us crazy. I mean, Bob initially thought I
talked, you know, Bob, Bob, I think all the fingers were pointed at me from Bob and Bob's friends. You know, I was the guy with camera equipment recording devices. And when they came and said, we know you had a conversation. And we know, you know, some of the specifics of that conversation. It terrified us. Okay, so let me break this down for you. So it doesn't sound so cloak and dagger.
We go out to where we thought was remote on Bob's property out of precaution. We're about to talk about element 115. We're about to talk if Bob Lazar got element 115 out of Los Alamos, this super heavy element that apparently was brought here, 500 pounds was brought here from somewhere else, and our government was using it in these non-terrestrial craft. I mean, it's a wild thing.
And if Babuzaar is telling the truth, just consider that for a second. Just for a second, consider that Babuzaar is telling you exactly what happened. The United States government is reverse engineering UFOs, alien spacecraft. They're trying to, and that they have some. They have physical evidence of an advanced civilization, not from this earth, and that these craft are, you know, show a technology that's way beyond what we have. Just imagine that he's telling you the truth.
And then he says he got a piece of element 115 out of Los Alamos. Now our government would want that back. So the idea is this is the one thing that's keeping him alive is that he's got this piece stashed somewhere. So he's about to tell me about this and we're going to talk through this and we're going to talk about how you could get this out to the public. That's the premise here. So no shortcuts.
That's the premise. So out of caution, I was like, well, Bob, if you are telling the truth, let's just go out of your house. And he's like, well, no one cares. This is 30 years ago. No one cares about me anymore. And I'm like, well, let's just go anyway. So we go out to this forested area. And then as I'm recording with him, I'm like, you know,
We have cell phones. I'm like, maybe I should put those cell phones like over there. So I take the cell phones, we turn them off and I ditched them about 200 meters away. And we kind of joked about it. Like, who cares? No one's watching. No one cares, right? And then come to find out the next day, he gets raided by multiple agencies. Now you can believe, you know, Bob's version
you know, my version or, you know, the documents that we have found. They say they were there on an unrelated issue. All these agencies were there because of Thallium that, you know, that he might have Thallium, you know, that he was selling. He didn't, not in the way that they said. So in Bob's experience, this is not the first time he's been raided by multiple agencies and people that have been on those raids. I was able to talk with one.
And they're like, this is the weirdest rate in the world. We didn't know what we were looking for. But the way Bob experienced it, and you have to take Bob's word on it, or don't, I don't care, but this is what he said, is that they came in, they could care less about this potential thallium.
That they they cordoned off in grids his entire building, which I know to be true. I talked to the employees. I have some photos and they were looking for the element 115. This is what he said on Larry King and I stand by it as well. And the one thing they did was they repeated. I'll just say the best way to say is they repeated back to him. Part of our conversation.
and it was mystifying i mean bob immediately thought i i leaked the feds they mentioned your name or they just said you recently talked to someone and this is what you said or we hear through the grapevine i have to dance around this part but word for word the conversation was relayed to bob there was no doubt that there was recording
of that conversation. Now it's not so weird when you find out through official documents that they had been surveilling both his home and his place of business two days prior to the raid when I was there. So now how did they achieve that recording? I have some friends that do these types of raids in federal agencies and I have spoken with them
And I have learned that there are multiple ways to do this, multiple ways. For example, they have a very cool technology that you can point at any window in any house and the vibrations of the voice can be picked up off of those windows. Now, obviously, we were in the woods, right? So how did they get it?
We have theorized over and over. We've looked into the technologies. We thought it could be our phones, and that's the number one culprit right now. We thought our phones had been turned into listening devices because they knew a certain amount.
If they had heard that whole conversation, they would have no need to speak with Bob. Okay. So, so clearly at some point, what do you mean by that? If they'd heard the whole conversation, they wouldn't need to speak with them. Meaning that Bob conveyed to me the details of the element 115 and potentially if he had some where he stashed it. I see. I see. I see. So they wouldn't need
to contact Bob.
And they have access to that. And I was so paranoid about it. First of all, Bob Lazar had never let anybody into his life to film with him. Right. Yeah. So I was every card I had was connected directly to a computer that never went online. There is no way interesting. Yeah, there is no way that anybody was able to get that out of the ether. You know, so first thing, you know, I thought is we went out to dinner that night. You know, did somebody come in like,
get my computer card. But it was there right where I left it. And I don't see that as a possibility at this time. I mean, he didn't have security cameras up on his home, but I don't see that as a possibility. And just the mere fact that they decided to look at his place of business for the LV-115, they didn't hear the rest of the conversation. I've never talked about this, but that is how I understand it.
Someone that doesn't want to believe, Bob, this is just another reason to not believe in this. This sounds so crazy, but I'll tell you, it happened and it happened exactly the way I'm telling you. And I'm dead sure that our conversation was monitored, that they were able to record that conversation and that they had full knowledge of that conversation until I put the phones to the side. And that's why I think it was the phones because
And by the way, if you write to the end. Ah, okay. Yeah. So the second part of that recording, which is by the way, now spread out on multiple drives in multiple states, you know, it's never going away that footage. Like I have that footage, there's no stopping it from coming out at it. Like it will come out one day when the time is right. But you know, the point is, I think it was the phones. There are cool ways to get audio. It makes more sense. It makes more sense. It does. But if you, if you,
If you appeal to the NSA who dictates some of these FISA warrants and these phone taps, they can never confirm nor deny. So you'll never get any information. So I'm unable to get any information if that is true or not, if it was the phone. Too bad, too bad. Why do you say that? This is what's keeping Bob alive. This is something I've thought about. I'm sure many people as well. It's like, okay, let's say Bob is telling the truth.
Why doesn't the government from day one or day two just kill him? There's many ways that you can kill someone like, you know, breaking bad. You can just give someone ricin and make it look like they have the flu or especially right now during covid. Yeah. So why is he still? Yeah, that would be a bad idea. A smart man like Bob, you know, has ways to get information out if he were to go missing. So, you know, look, again, this is a
This is a very touchy situation. Bob wouldn't even talk about element 115. Everything I'm saying now was off limits when I first started filming with him. Because if you believe Bob, this is real world implications. Somebody had to get him the 115 out of Los Alamos, a machinist.
That could be very problematic. Like that's a real problem. That's a you get charged, you get thrown away for smuggling. I mean, that's a bad thing. So if we believe Bob, and I'm okay if people don't, like I'm totally cool if people don't believe him. I wouldn't believe him if I didn't have the direct access to everybody in his life, you know, where I realized the story is true. So I don't expect anybody to believe it. But if we just suspend disbelief for a moment, and we believe Bob,
I would project that one of the reasons why Bob Azar was not killed for speaking out is because one, who's going to believe it? Before December of 2018 and the US government studying UFOs, who's going to believe Bob? Not many people. So is he really a threat?
But a physical piece of evidence, I would suspect that is the reason why he's not just given rise to be killed, because they know he probably has a backup plan. So if you are to believe Bob, I would think that's a, that's an important thing. I would be careful if I was Bob. I see. Yeah.
When I was watching, I think it was called Immaculate Deception with John Lear. Yeah, I put out an episode of that. Yeah. When I was watching that there was this clip with him saying behind me, maybe soon there's going to be some UFOs flying. That reminded me of what Bob did. Is he doing the same thing that Bob did where he gets some of his friends to film it because he knows the schedule of when these crafts are going to fly?
No, no, I think I think John Lear's got a few screws loose. I mean, people are going to hate me for saying that, you know, but he does. I mean, I love John. He's like my crazy uncle. You know, he does not love me anymore. He's very mad at me. Because, oh, it's a long story. You know, John's a conspiracy theorist. He was very difficult to work. He sabotaged his own movie, the movie I was working on for seven years. He just killed it dead in the water because of his actions. I mean, he's
John's pretty wild. Are you allowed to talk about that? Yeah, I'm under no contract. Yeah. Okay. What do you mean? How did he sabotage it? Um, well, I had filmed with John for many years and I had a really good relationship with him. And when it came down to, you know, kind of his life rights and finally, um, relinquishing and letting me make the film, he decided to sign him over on a napkin to his daughter, basically.
So when I had brought in other producers and people to come help bring this to life, you know, it was kind of like, you know, maybe there's money to be made was his thought or something, and just sabotage the whole thing. So that's my version of it, at least it's sad because he was a friend and I really I care for john.
But he's, I think he wanted to be the star of the movie. And when I made the Bob Lazar movie, I think he was very upset the movie wasn't about him. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, for the record, I love John Lear. I wish him well. I care about him very much. Just unfortunately, he's sabotaged a lot of things in his life. And this is one of them. As for why John Lear hasn't been killed. Why do you think that is? He's not credible.
But in the beginning, you said, look, this is someone who worked for the CIA as a pilot and he has, here's some world records that he has. Oh yeah, no, he's done, he's had phases of credibility for sure. Like, you know, look, he's an exceptional man. At one point he was the youngest person ever to climb the Matterhorn. Like the guy was an explorer. He was right about Area 51, the term Area 51. He was right about what they were doing there. He actually
was able, look, he comes from the Lear family. So at the news agencies in Vegas, like the guy has some credibility, you know, he was right about some of the back engineering of the MIG, the Russian MIG fighter they were doing. And he got photos of the stealth fighter and leaked them to a guy named Ned Day in Las Vegas, a reporter who was George Knapp's mentor.
So he had this credibility of being a guy that goes out in 1977, takes the best photo ever of Area 51 at lake level. I have that photo. I mean, this is like, hold on, just take me one second, but I think it's worthy.
Those are the neodymium magnets, man. Those things are strong. Cool. This is a photo from John Lear. This is the night in 1977, the year I was born. He went to error 51 at lake level. The only security was a chain, a hanging chain, and he sits right at the lake level.
and he takes a panoramic of photos and he sees in the distance a car coming and it's kicking up dust right so you can see it coming from a long way away and he's like oh they're coming so he took that the camera he took the film put it under his ashtray put in a new uh roll of film took the identical pictures and when they rolled up on him they said we know who you are you got a camera give us the film
Pops open the camera, gives him the film. They never asked if he had another duplicate set inside his ashtray. That's a great idea. Right. So he comes out 1977 and gives us the best photos ever of Groom Lake Area 51 at close range.
And again, nobody had ever done that before. He wrote to me, he said, Jeremy, it's Groom Lake, you moron. Let's go Wednesday, every Wednesday. That photo doesn't seem to show anything incriminating other than that there are buildings at Area 51. No, no. In 1977, it shows Groom Lake. There has not been a photo of Groom Lake since John Lear's 1977 photos that have been that close up.
So it was just at the time in particular was really crazy. He's exposing this military base that people didn't even acknowledge the name of. So John had credibility. And then when he came forward to George Knapp about UFOs, no one wanted to touch it. George's bosses didn't want to touch it. George's boss famously said, or his mentor Ned Day famously said, if any of this were real, I would have known about it.
When you said that UFOs are just some small part of a larger project, what did you mean?
I like to say to the phenomenon, I believe from, well, the evidence shows me that UFOs is a very small aspect of a much larger phenomenon. Okay, so what I mean by that is that UFOs appear to be part of a larger phenomenon, meaning UFOs are kind of an auxiliary implication of a much larger reality. So this idea that what we're seeing are machines from other planets, I'm unconvinced what we may be seeing
is an alternate reality you know maybe it is something closer to you know dimensional travel there seems to be another version of reality that is occurring and that somehow once in a while they they perforate they pop through into our reality and this is not just from a cursory look at the UFO phenomenon this is from talking with thousands of close encounter eyewitnesses
who tell me that this is something bigger than just flying machines. To give you an example, at Skinwalker Ranch, the report is that a piece of the sky opened up like a tear, and out of this tear came beings, you know, came craft. So UFOs is a symptom. It's part of this alternate reality, the phenomenon, as I call it. But it's not just about UFOs. UFOs represent this phenomenon.
What other phenomenon are there? Bigfoot ghosts? Yeah, I wish I knew I could stand firm and saying I know this to be true. Skinwalker Ranch is the best example of this because you have UFO phenomenon, but you also have cattle mutilation, which is often associated with lights in the sky.
So cattle mutilation is something as an example, concrete example, cattle mutilation. Is this a UFO phenomenon or is this a government experiment? Or is this a private corporation that's going around and mutilating these cows and draining their blood in the dead of night? Nobody has ever been caught
During these cattle mutilations that are homogenous, they are the same across the board. They're drained of blood. There's two types of incisions. They take the same things, the genitals, the sexual organs, piece of the cheek and an eye and an ear. It's the same thing.
This is associated with the UFO phenomenon because the farmers and people that are cattle ranchers, they see UFOs oftentimes during these mutilations. So I can't separate them. So we got UFOs tied with cattle mutilation. Okay, that one I can understand. I mean, I've heard of that since I was a kid. Okay, what else? That's tied to UFOs.
I mean, I don't know, the experiences are so wild, man. I mean, when people, you know, get engaged with these entities, you know, people have had, it's not just hard, it's not like craft come in there, no one's flying them. I'll give you an example, the aerial school. This is an amazing case in South Africa. And, you know, 80 kids or something.
saw these craft land in the field by their school. All these kids, the BBC came the next day and interviewed these kids with head of Harvard psychiatry, John Mack. John Mack gets out there. They interview the kids. They all say the same thing. These craft came down and they were little beings on the craft with these huge almond shaped eyes. And I personally know two of the children, they were at the time children. And then now they're adults and they, they
They were within meters, I mean, within four feet, one of them was in four feet of one of these beings, bipedal being wearing like a suit, a gray alien kind of thing with these huge almond shaped eyes that she said mesmerized her. This is somebody who's not lying. I mean, all of these kids saw it. Again, John Mack at Harvard psychiatry went and he was head of Harvard psychiatry and he went interviewed them with the BBC. It's a historic case. And what was his conclusion? That they're telling the truth.
that they saw exactly what they said they saw. You can't make it up across all these kids with the same explanations. And Lisa and Salma are the two females who were there as kids that I know now, current day, and it has affected their lives. If you look at footage of them talking to John Mack on the BBC, and they're talking about how they were mesmerized, and then they showed them like images in their in their mind's eye, like a movie of the destruction of our planet.
and how we have to be more careful with our ecosystem and our earth and we need to treat it right or we're doomed. Well, you know, back when this happened, that wasn't a huge topic of conversation like it is today with climate change. So these children took on the burden of telling people what these aliens told them. So that's a good example of a phenomenon that goes beyond just the hard craft, right? And goes into the beings operating
Why did these, I know you're just going to have to speculate, but why do you think these aliens came to these African children instead of going to some places that could make a difference now, given, let's say they're the CEO of some corporation that's exporting negative externalities in the form of pollution at a much higher rate than these 80 African children. Why do you think that they went to them? Yeah. I mean, again, you were right. I have to speculate. I mean, I have no inside knowledge. It's okay. Who cares? Who cares? Let's speculate. It's fine. I'm curious. Give me some ideas.
sure sure let me toy with it yeah yeah for sure so total speculation i mean i'm not trying to be evasive about it i just like you know really when i don't know something dude i don't fucking know it so yeah here's the deal these beings these craft these entities maybe they're all playing the same game and on the same team maybe they're not maybe there's competing agendas and maybe this is a learning process maybe
It's so weird to think that we might not have even a most simple grasp on what's going on with UFOs and this alien presence, whatever this is. Maybe it's so much stranger. Again, maybe we're a commodity, maybe humanity itself. In one of the documents that Bob Lazar read, it called this containers. Containers of what? Blood?
Are we containers of souls? I don't even know what a soul is. What is a soul? So maybe one of the crazier theories, you know, maybe we're containers for the maturation of souls, like a nice wine, you know, and we're a commodity in some way, just like we would, you know, make sure that our livestock doesn't spread a disease that eliminates them. You know, we're being
You know, these entities are being sure that we don't blow up our earth with our nuclear weapons because somehow we're important to them. The nefarious version is we're a commodity. The non nefarious version, you know, the positive version is that, you know, we're a sample of life and they want us to get through our primitive stage of warfare and self-destruction and violence and hatred and racism, horrible shit so that we can thrive in a larger community.
I don't know. That was somewhat haunting when I heard that we're containers or that the aliens refer to us as containers. Let's imagine it's true. Is this just a somewhat terrifying thought? I mean, it depends on what you're containing. Well, again, I mean, we're talking, we're on real fringe territory here. Most people, they're worried about, you know, where their next paychecks coming from. My doggy.
We're the next paychecks coming from, you know, people are worried about, you know, keeping the peace within their own family. People are worried about not giving a loved one COVID. I mean, this idea I think is very important that we are not alone in the universe, that we are being visited by an intelligence that's far technologically superior to humanity, and that we've been visited for a long time, and that there is a message being sent in some ways to some people.
Don't fuck up where you live. And if that's the case, if that's really what's going on, it's an important message. But in some ways, it's also a fatalistic one, because it doesn't matter what we do, they may save us if it's in their best interest and they have extremely advanced technology.
So why should we clean up the environment? They they'll probably save us at the last moment. No, I'm being serious. If we're in their interest, our survivalist, maybe their interest is not just on the safety of the planet and the safety of the human species, you know, regenerating. Again, maybe there's a different investment that they have in the maturation of human consciousness, like some spiritual development,
I don't know. I'm not particularly a spiritual person necessarily. I'm not a religious person. So I don't know. I don't know. Are all of your films related to UFO slash aliens or do some of them touch on other subjects like near-death experience, remote viewing? Yeah, I mean, all of those things interest me. You know, the consciousness is not contained within the biology of the human body is a big one to me because, you know, it is evident that
these phenomena, these beings use a different form of communication often telepathic or whatever. But my films that are released, the big ones, you know, patient 17 is about an alleged alien implant removal surgery doesn't get any weirder than that. The second one is about hunt for the skinwalker, which is a government study of a
haunted property, a property that has all sorts of strange phenomenon. And the third one is about Bob Lazar and Air 50 UFOs and fly saucers. But I have done other films on things like nanotechnology. I've done one on something called a space drive, he called it. It's basically is a non-traditional propulsion system. These are short films.
But those are of a lot of interest to me. So yeah, they're available to be viewed by people on YouTube or Vimeo. Yeah, yeah, YouTube Vimeo on my website. There's tons of information on that. And then I like doing a lot of short movies. My first movie had nothing to do with UFOs. It was called Las Vegas. And it's just a short 12 minute film, maybe. And it's just about about people that were kind of living on the Las Vegas strip.
Speaking of patient 17, hear that sound?
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I have written down here what happened to patient 17 at the end, but I don't remember why I wrote that down. Does that ring a bell? Is that an incoherent question?
No, I mean, at the end of the movie, it's frustrating. There was a sample of this material that was taken out of a guy's body. Now, if anybody knows me and watches the film intently and you watch it, this is not something I believe. I'm not pushing to my beliefs. I found somebody with an extraordinary belief.
It's a doctor surgeon, Dr. Roger Lear, who said he's going to remove an alien implant. The guy, the patient 17 himself was not convinced that this had anything to do with his other experiences of abduction, which he does firmly believe he had. So at the end, it's kind of like hard because what happens to the sample? I don't have control of the sample. I'm not a scientist. We got an anomalous result.
from the sample, meaning that the isotopes within the Zinc 64 came back from the laboratory as non terrestrial. That's how you tell location is isotopes. And this was odd. So no, I didn't follow up. This is not my life. I'm not a scientist. That's Jacques Vallee, the famous Jacques Vallee. He can follow up with it. He is a scientist. So with patient 17, he went back to his normal life. You know, he's just a subject of a film.
You mentioned that there's someone named Richard Doty who was driven mad. Do you mind expanding on that or expatiating? Yeah, that's a deep dive that people will need to really look into. But no, Richard Doty did not go mad. There's a guy named Paul Benowitz. This was a situation where the United States government put disinformations into the UFO field. One of the guys involved, he's a friend of mine.
This is the guy named Rick Doty, who's a friend of mine. I like Rick. People vilify him and they're so angry. I'm friends with him. He's a good guy. Okay, so who's Rick and who's Paul and what happened to them? Rick Doty was paid to disinform the American public about UFOs by infiltrating the UFO field and spreading disinformation. And in one of his jobs doing this,
There was an individual named Paul Benowitz who was being fed the disinformation. And why it's so controversial is because Paul Benowitz went crazy, you know, in some states because of the, you know, Rick Doty playing with his mind and his emotions. But in reality, Paul had had a breakdown prior. Paul was not fully hinged. So that's a, that's a very famous case in UFO lore about the United States military
manipulating the beliefs of people within the UFO field, which has happened from time to time, disinformation. Rick worked for the government and Paul was just someone who was interested in, or maybe he's a ufologist, as some people call them. Yeah, he was a very brilliant scientist who worked near Manzano weapons storage area out in New Mexico. And he was filming things on a classified base from his home. And they were... Rick or Paul? What's that?
Paul was tasked with disinforming the UFO public and Paul and a couple other researchers. It happens all the time. People that research UFOs, you get hit with people trying to convince you of something. It happens to me all the time. I get evidence that's too good to be true. I get photographs, documents, and I never publish it because
These people are fucking with me. You think that they're government spies or government agents? I don't know who they work for. But yeah, certainly there I have gotten information that is feels too good to be true. And when I dig deeper and deeper, I'm not going to fall for it. Yeah. I don't know who's orchestrating it. Yeah. And Rick's role at the government was what? Was he a part of the CIA or FBI or what?
Yeah, I think it was OSI, Office of Special Investigation for the Army. I don't recall specifically, but he has done a lot of counterintelligence and intelligence work for the Army. Was this disinformation part of Project Blue Book, or was this just a separate task? Yeah, it was separate. Project Blue Book officially ended in 1969, and there was a certain number of cases that were unresolved.
Yes, but there have been active programs about UFOs since then. Does the government ever pay civilians to debunk UFOs, as far as you're aware?
I've never been paid by the government to do anything about UFOs. So if somebody else is getting a paycheck, I'd like to know about it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, whatever. So I don't know. I don't know. I would imagine it's just like anything within the intelligence community is when you have individuals who are predisposed to doing the work that you want them to do. You can fund them to continue that work. I've seen it happen, you know, with domestic terrorism. I have a personal experience with that. I know individuals who are involved in that.
David Fravor said that the Russians shot at a UFO and the UFO shot back.
I don't know if you've heard of this. Yeah, I'm unfamiliar. I'm unfamiliar with that. Okay, I'm going to send you the exact clip. And then if you don't mind watching it, because it might ring a bell, you know, yeah, that was an engaged five minute thing. And there's other stories from other countries, like there's a story in the back when the Soviet Union existed, that they actually would chase these things. And one of them shot at some, you know, it shot it because they said shoot at it and it shot it and then it got shot down.
And then he said don't ever shoot at him again and don't chase them just you can observe them but don't go after them because obviously they have firepower that we can't control because if you can make something float around and jam radars at will and do whatever you want, you know, modern terrestrial weapons are probably not very useful. Yeah, I'm not I'm not familiar with that with that specific case but I know that there was a shoot down order in Russia.
Have you heard of other cases where UFOs have engaged with an attack mode, let's say, to civilians or to the army?
There's an interesting set of cases that the Argentinian government did a massive study on that you should look into where these, they call them chupas, I think. How do you spell them?
I think that was the name CHUPAS. I'm not sure that that's right. I could be getting that wrong. But there was a I think it was Argentina. And there was this whole government study. Again, man, I could be getting this totally wrong. But I'll send you the information later. Sure. But there were some instances of physical harm done by by lights. But I think typically with the with the UFO phenomenon,
These things are disinterested in us. Usually they're doing something like in the Travis Walton case, very famous case, Travis Walton was abducted. And you can look into this case yourself, but he believes that when he encountered the UFO in the forest, that it let off a field that did hurt him.
But then maybe they swooped them up to take care of them and drop them back off days later. I don't think there's overt hostility. Obviously, there's weaponry that would completely nullify anything that we have within our arsenals of defense in any developed nation on earth. So obviously, these things are not overtly hostile. That goes back to
Brandon Fugal said that there were some of his employees or people studying Skinwalker that were actually hurt and had to be hospitalized. Do you know of any of those cases? Can you tell me about the details? Yeah, so you're talking about Skinwalker Ranch and the current owner is Brandon Fugal. The owner before was Robert Bigelow, aerospace billionaire Robert Bigelow.
I do know that at Skinwalker Ranch that there are a lot of claims of people having physical injuries from the phenomenon itself. I remain unconvinced on that connection and association between the phenomenon and these injuries. Now, I could be wrong. I do know that psychologically people have been injured
you know, from engaging the phenomenon. It appears that when they do, that it appears to follow them. And that is something that George Knapp has talked a lot about. And if there's a granite truth to it, you're going to find it at Skinwalker Ranch. And when you say the phenomenon, you mean it more like in the Wittgenstein sense of a family resemblance. It's not just UFOs, it's cognate topics like, well, UFOs are witnessed
when there's a whole bunch of other phenomena going on as well. I mean, so people are having visions, they're having telepathic experiences. Obviously there's occupants. So Skinwalker Ranch really teaches us that, that UFOs is just a part of the phenomena. It's a part of a bigger reality that we get to see from time to time. Have you spent any nights at Skinwalker? Sure have. Yeah. Okay. What's happened to you personally?
to mean that I was aware of nothing. I just, you know, snuggled with a friend out of terror and fear. I mean, you know, there's there's nothing that I have as far as a positive. Oh, absolutely. He's a good big spoon. My buddy Matt Adams. No, you know, look, I've had only positive experiences at Skinwalker Ranch. I did just before you called me today. I did get a message from
Robbie Williams security head of security a guy named Neil and Robbie Williams is a is a pop star from England and he came with me to Skinwalker Ranch and me and George Knapp and his security guy Neil was also with us and Neil did claim to witness a very strange
a phenomenon, which was this, um, like a, like a shadow being, I guess you'd say it looked like a, a, a tall being follow me through the kitchen, a skinwalker ranch. Now I didn't see it. Yeah. Yeah. But I, I didn't see it. I never see anything like that. I would love to turn around and be like, yo, shadow person, tell me what's up. You know, I never see this kind of stuff, but he's dead fast that he did see it with another guy that was with, it was at the table. What he didn't know
is that in the Defense Intelligence Agency study, in this command center that we were in, that this shadow being phenomena had occurred twice before. He was not privy to that information. So if he was making something up, he could have made up anything and it wouldn't have rung a bell. That's what's so weird about the ranch.
So I didn't see anything. I'm open to it being true. I don't necessarily believe it to be true, but we're talking about a witness who is trustworthy.
And he was seeing it live in person or was it filmed? Yeah, live in person. The thing apparently followed me right through the kitchen and I could see this look on his eyes and he told me about it and I have this like a six minute audio clip we're going in the car and he tells me about it and I recorded it. He didn't tell you right then? There's someone behind you or a shadow person? No, he said it's time to go. Interesting. And someone else saw it too, he said. Yeah, yeah, there was somebody else at the table that was able to
See, I miss everything, man. My back's always turned. I mean, look, in conclusion, we'll wrap this up with this, man. In conclusion, you don't have to take my word for it. UFOs are real and enough evidence is out there for you to understand that. If UFOs are real,
then that should make you so curious about what they represent, what alternate reality they represent. There's an uncharted territory, a mystery here that UFOs are a beacon for. But by studying UFOs and by really looking at the history of what's happened, the credible information, there is an alternate reality. There's a reality that is more expansive and bigger than what we know. And that's what's so exciting to me about the UFO topic.
One day I hope to learn more about it and I hope to get closer to the truth. But right now I'm like you, I'm just hungry for answers. Jeremy, thank you so much. Do you happen to have, I know you got to go soon or even right now, do you happen to have 10 extra minutes because I have quite a few audience questions. We can just hammer them out. Yeah, sure. Let's do it. Great. Thank you so much. Okay. Rivulet says, I'm curious what he was like as a kid. If he knew he was going to be doing something of this nature, if he was intrigued by the abnormal, I suppose.
Okay, then he also asks, and has his occupation ever gotten dangerous? For instance, threats from shady figures offered money to be quiet. What's the single
Best piece of evidence you've come across in studying the UFO phenomenon. That's the same question that I ask every single person that I first interview anytime I turn on the camera and I've never gotten a satisfactory answer. I certainly can't give you one. My best evidence that I have is my own personal experience and the people that have come forward to me who don't want fame or to be known and have told me a verifiable piece of information that I can't share with the public. For me, that's the coolest piece of evidence. Viewer Q says,
He wants to know that or she the three most influential slash perspective shifting books to you and why. Oh, man. Well, a story, the Plato's cave. Amazing. Three most influential, like the most, the absolute most. Oh, my gosh.
Voyager UK 2002 said, In his movie with Lazar, he surprised Bob with a photo of a hand scanner, and apparently the same scanner was used in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. What do
What does Jeremy and Bob think about this while Bob's not here? No, I'm glad people ask and that's a nice way to ask things. People are so accusational. Man, people totally fucking misunderstood the point. So, okay, Close Encounters. This clip has now come out that the hand scanner was in it. Now I've watched that movie tons of times. Have you ever watched the movie? Okay.
No, I don't know what this person's talking about or what you're talking about. That hand scanner was never publicly shown or talked about. It was not even on people's radar until after Bob Lazar, right? Also in the movie, they don't show what the scanner does, how it accesses the bone lengths and that kind of thing. The revelation of my movie was not that the hand scanner existed. And of course, remember things like close encounters. People are advising that movie
Military people are advising that movie. I know people who advise that movie. So it's no surprise that they would use a scanner that is used in the UFO programs in that movie, but they never expressly say it. Now Bob Lazar, we've all watched that movie. None of us thought about that. Everybody said Bob was crazy, but he said at site four, they use this scanner. It was really weird. It measured your bones. I have the audio and visual of him doing that to George Knapp.
come to find out it was acknowledged it was acknowledged that these scanners were used at area 51 and area 52 this happened while i was filming the movie so when i got that image and i showed it to bob that is a genuine reaction he was like holy you know whatever he said holy you know this is the fucking scanner i never thought i'd see this again he didn't say all the f bombs and all that
So people like to say, because the scanner was in the movie Close Encounters, that Bob just made it up. Well, guess what? If he made it up, he's again the luckiest person on planet Earth because turns out we now know they were used at Area 51 and Area 52. How did Bob know? So you come back into the same problem if you want to shit on Bob and try to call him a liar. Well, he's the luckiest liar you ever met then. Okay, we'll get to the next one. Stephen Paul,
He says artist, filmmaker, dot, dot, dot. Ask him about sense making. How does he navigate through the chaos? Sense making? Yeah, let's skip that. And then he wants to know, ask if he's read Future Shock by Toffler. I have not. Is it good? I'm just, I'm just asking Stephen Paul's question. Okay. All right. Okay. Efron, did you have any problems with authorities when trying to film and what happened and how did you overcome them?
No, no problems. It was just the, you know, the recording of the conversation and the raid, but that didn't mess with me at all. Yeah. Okay. Efron again, do you think the government will ever expose aliens to the public as disclosure? No, not, not in like the big sense. Like aliens are here. We're going to tell you everything about them. It's too guarded a secret because of the potential for weaponization. Efron also asks, what's your advice to other documentary filmmakers attempting to create films regarding ET?
Have you heard of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and what are your thoughts on what goes on there?
I sure have heard of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. That is famously where there is a place called Hangar 18 where they hold some UFO materials. So yeah, I have heard about it. And what goes on there is that they house extraterrestrial artifacts there.
Do you have any information that hasn't been, let's say, disclosed or not known to the UFO community about it? I do, and I will be presenting that information when I can back it up thoroughly, but I do. There's a warehousing program that is very interesting. It's been quoted to me as a museum of paper, a location where there's a clearing house for all UFO-based content over the decades.
Mike Wixson asks how much of our current technology is based on reverse engineering of technologies from other beings and if you could provide some examples if you know of any. Yeah that's debatable a lot of people have argued that there's you know a real famous book that deals with Colonel Corso's claims about how industry has been seeded with certain things like super capacitors or whatever so or what are they called whatever it is superconductors superconductors so
I don't know if that's true. I suspect there is some overlay, but I do know this. I do know that the problem that we're facing now with our military is that a lot of these technologies are wrapped up in black budgets with private industry who seem to supersede the power of chain of command with our military.
with these programs, which is a real problem for our sense of government. So there are individual corporations which have historically held on to these programs and they're not sharing information. Some of this might be retreading some of our interview, but I'm going to ask it again. Maybe you can give a compendious answer. Mike Wixson also asks if we've been visited by aliens since the beginning of time or at least since a long time ago.
Which aliens are they? Where are they from? And are there more than one species visiting us? Actually, I would suspect that there's more than one species that's visiting. Again, if this is not some simulation reality, if the whole thing is not a simulation reality, then yeah, I'd suspect there's different beings that are visiting and the UFO phenomenon goes back to the beginning of recorded human history.
Sajad asks, why are they always so clandestine in their abductions? And if they're directing our evolution, that means they effectively are the creators of religion. So how does this play into the greater picture? That's been claimed before, you know, that they've influenced our religion and politics and thoughts and I don't know, clandestine. I mean, if you're going to abduct somebody, you should probably be clandestine about it. I don't know. David Gibson asks, what fascinates him about aliens?
and that we're not alone. You know, just this concept that human beings are, you know, semi-intelligent beings predisposed to war, but that we might have other brothers and sisters and individuals out there, life forms with other forms of propulsion, other forms of technology, maybe other understandings of the universe, dreams for the future. That's
Powerful. That is what's most interesting to me. Okay, and just a couple more. Voyager UK 2002. Westfall UFO mass sighting in 1966 Melbourne, Australia, witnessed by over 200 school children. That's not even a question. It's just a point. Okay, do you have any comments on that? Look into the case. It's a great case. All right. Number two. Okay, it's another
It's another point like that. Phoenix lights. Okay. Number three, Travis, Travis Walton's abduction. Why does nobody talk about this anymore? Where are the loggers who were involved in this? It has a profound impact on them. They don't like each other, but they never changed their story regardless. That's true. Not everybody gets along. Just like with Bob Lazar. Look, not everybody gets along. They were surrounding Bob at the time, but they all agree on one thing. Everything happened exactly like Bob Lazar said.
So same with the other case you just mentioned. Travis Walton? Yeah, Travis Walton. I brought him up earlier. I mean, it's an important case and people are talking about it. I mean, I don't know. If you want to hear more about it, someone should make a movie on him. Another movie. Voyager UK 2002. Perhaps you should make a documentary on it. There we go. There's a great one out about Travis. Jeremy, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Hey, man, I'm just so excited that you're interested in it. You know, there's a PhD level understanding of UFOs that needs to occur before you can even begin to have the right questions. But the initial reason why people are interested in this is because the implications
that something is greater in our reality, and we have been lied to. This has been hid from us that our governments have been implicit in hiding this information from us. That is huge. And so I think when someone gets interested in this concept, what I'd like to tell them is, you know, keep your mind open about it, keep an open mind, but don't let the marbles fall out your head.
There's a big problem, it's called UFO disease. You start believing one thing, you believe anything. Keep your head on straight. Look at this rationally. Look at the mountain of evidence. Be skeptical, but don't become a debunker. We've already decided one way or the other. Have you seen the Skinwalker series? I don't remember who published it. History Channel maybe? Yeah, TV series, yeah. What do you think of it?
I actually haven't watched the whole series, but I think it's great that Brandon Fugal is allowing people to document what's going on. Look, it's TV. I've heard the criticisms that, you know, it's exaggerated for the TV show. You know, I don't know. There's a mystery at Skinwalker Ranch and that that mystery is alive and well, and it's worthy of scientific pursuit. The UFO topic is worthy of scientific pursuit. People like Neil deGrasse Tyson shouldn't make comments about
low-resolution photos when clearly he doesn't know what an AtFleer camera is, a targeting pod. People like that should hold this information to a higher standard. It is one of the greatest revelations that we could possibly have if it turns out it is true. Not only are we not alone in the universe, which you all suspect because it's mathematically probable, but additionally they are visiting here. That is the key point and if that's true then
That's going to speak volumes about our technology and why they're doing it. I'm super interested in talking to someone about the physics and getting into some of the details and some of the nitty gritty. Do you happen to know? Well, maybe Travis Taylor, someone I'm I don't know if you've heard of Travis Taylor.
Yeah, I've heard of him. He's in that TV series. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I'm trying to think about who would be a good person. Obviously, I would recommend that everybody go look at my YouTube channel, which is just YouTube slash Jeremy Corbell. And there's a long version on there called the anatomy of a UFO.
And that's where Bob Lazar describes the propulsion system itself, how gravity wave amplification works with the structure of the craft that he was able to have hands on with. I saw a video with him, but it was from maybe 30 years ago. Is this the one that you're referring to? Or is no, I filmed this with him. It's a 17 minute version of him explaining and drawing the UFO that he worked on, but explaining how the propulsion system works with the structure of the craft. Okay.
Okay. All right. Well, all right. Thank you so much, man. I appreciate it. I'm a fan. So any of the haters, if you want to, you can hate on me as well, then I, yeah, I, I don't mind. Everybody can have an opinion, even wrong opinions people can have. Uh, but the idea is that the, the individual, it's, it's not the messenger. It's, it's the message. If you're interested in this at all, you know, try to move the ball forward rather than, you know, trying to suppress people that are trying to talk about this. Uh, you know, the, the comments,
Do you have ADHD? I was actually diagnosed with ADHD before it was kind of a very common thing when I was a kid and they put me on
Must've been like a Ritalin based drug and I took it for like a week and I, um, I felt horrible. Like I felt like my soul was ripped out of me and I was like 10. It was before it became so well known, you know? So yeah, I guess I do. I mean, stimulants make me kind of tired, like coffee and stuff. So, you know, I think I'm the same way. Yeah.
Yeah. Stimulants have a paradoxical effect on me, unfortunately, because I would love, I would love, you know, many people say that they live by nootropics and amphetamines and so on. But anytime I've tried virtually anything, it hasn't helped. It maybe has made me worse. Almost nothing helps. Yeah. It's like the reverse. Yeah. It's like the reverse stuff. Yeah. I don't know. Everybody's, you know, got to figure out what works for them. But, uh, yeah.
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"text": " Bob Lazar stands aside. Bob Lazar was an employee hired through EG&G to work at a sub-base of Area 51 called Site 4, where he was tasked specifically with the power and propulsion of these non-terrestrial craft and trying to back-engineer them. Who else do you find credible? There's Bob Lazar, John Lear-Know, David Fravor,"
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"text": " And then you mentioned the guy who actually took the video of the tic tac. Yeah, there's a lot of people in the UFO field, right? But there's individuals who are kind of keystones along the way. Why Commander Fravor is so credible because he's a trained observer. He's a fighter pilot with more hours than anybody that was out on that mission, right?"
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"text": " And not only did he engage this tic-tac-shaped UFO that defied our known physics, its propulsion system was a reactionless system. Usually things push something out the back and they go forward. This had none of that. It was a gravitational system. You could tell by the acceleration, the lack of the sonic boom, the instantaneous control turns and speeds."
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"text": " Commander Fravor is a trained observer who came forward both in briefings to Congress, private briefings to Congress, as well as intelligence reports, and then publicly once I was able to really bring him out. He is credible because of who he is. And then, of course, there were other witnesses, and that's what makes for a good UFO case. There are other trained witnesses, and we have footage of that one. It's one of the famous three videos that was released by the Pentagon showing the world public"
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"text": " The UFOs exist, they're flying with impunity in our airspace, and they've been here a long time. So, you know, this is not impunity. You don't mean that they're exempt from punishment. They would try to punish them if they could. It's just that we can't do anything about it. We can't do a thing about it. If you look, if you look at the 1952 flyovers in Washington, D.C., a very famous mass sighting that occurred on multiple weekends and all the newspapers came in. What was that? Do you mind repeating that?"
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"text": " It's 1952 flyover, Washington DC. It's a mass UFO sighting that was covered on multiple weekends. We scrambled jets, fighter planes, and they literally could not catch up with these objects, with these craft. So when I say flying with impunity, what I mean is that there is a technology that somebody has, an aerospace technology, and that we are incapable"
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"text": " of defense or offense when we try to compete with the maneuverability of these craft. This is something that has been occurring a long time. Additionally, there are incursions on military bases, documented incursions on nuclear bases, where these vehicles, these craft have come in and have shut down our nuclear weapons. This happened at Maelstorm Air Force Base,"
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"text": " There's a guy named Robert Salas who is the man in the minute man bunkers and he actually is a friend of mine and we've gone through the case it's now public and this is something to know that not that these things are hostile just that they are much more technologically advanced than anything that we have we work on reactionary propulsion systems you know that all airplanes all aerospace we still use the same rockets to get up out of Earth's orbit that we did 50 years ago"
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"text": " So this is a different technology. This represents not only a different technology, but this represents possibly a different advanced culture. And it's not something you can get around. The evidence is so weighty for so long that if people don't know about it, they haven't been paying attention. What do you think is the reason for the visitation? Oh, I have no idea. No idea. I could theorize all day long, man."
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"text": " Maybe they like our truffles. Well here's one."
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"text": " Here's one reason why I used to not believe, and I'm not saying I do believe, it's just that I remain open. It's not a matter of belief. It's not a matter of belief. It's true whether you want to believe it or not. I mean, there's documented cases, more evidence for this than there is for most things on planet Earth. There's more incursions. There's more evidence of UFO presence than almost anything. There's so many cases over so much time with so many credible witnesses. Now we have film footage, radar footage. It's not a matter of belief."
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"text": " So why do you think that they look somewhat like us, that they're hominid, that they have two eyes, that they have two, you know, there's something called convergent evolution, but it's not as if all intelligent species must converge to be like us. So I'm curious, why do you think it is that they look similar to us? I don't mean to be coy, but I don't know that they do. And the reason is, when you first start looking into UFOs, you get all these ideas. You're like, they must be from other planets."
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"text": " Why are they visiting here? That's like UFOs 101, the first thought you got. Then you're like, oh, they've been represented to look kind of hominid, you know, whatever, bipedal creatures. The more you look into this, the more you realize all of that is not supported with the evidence. It turns out we don't know if these craft are from other solar systems or if it's strange."
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"text": " If it's a dimensional reality, if these things are popping in and out somehow into our dimension, we don't know. We are so far behind in understanding it. Certainly, hard physical craft makes you think they're from other planets, for sure. Could be. Maybe they're looking at us like they would livestock, like a commodity. Maybe they have some investment in the human species for some reason, and this is why they show or flex"
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"text": " on the powers of our nuclear weapons, which they've done a lot. Additionally, the other thing... What do you mean when you say that? You mean that when we have done nuclear tests, the UFO sightings have increased? So there's a lot of information and evidence of the UFO phenomenon engaging our nuclear process. So everything from coming into very famous cases, like I mentioned before, Maelstrom Air Force Base,"
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"text": " There is a UFO, a disk that came in and shot a beam of light down into the nuclear silo. And again, don't believe me, this is documented fact. This came out through FOIA. This came out through information acts. And it shut down our nuclear weapons. It was a display of power. So why are they doing that?"
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"text": " And they're not only doing it to us, there's also documented cases in Russia at the same time, at the height of the Cold War. So obviously there's some sort of message being sent where whoever's occupying these craft, whoever's piloting these craft, whether it be a physical being or an artificial intelligence, whatever's piloting these vehicles,"
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"text": " They're showing us, hey, we can shut down your nukes at any time. So I would suggest everybody look into that. So, you know, just look at this guy and say, Oh, a crazy guy told me this. Look into it. This is something that is verifiable fact. And if any, sorry, if any of you who are listening are somewhat specialized in the UFO field, if you don't mind putting some of the sources, because I can't get to them all, that'd be great. And then I can link them in the description. Okay, continue."
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"text": " Yeah, and then I just want to touch upon what you said, because we're going through this zeitgeist of like what UFOs are. So people are like, oh, they're from other planets. I am unconvinced. The more I learn, I'm unconvinced. This is a phenomenon of just other people from other star systems coming here. The evidence does not suggest that when you really look at the totality of the evidence."
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"text": " It's not just flying saucers, shaped as saucers. We have all shapes and sizes of vehicles that shouldn't be existing in our skies. Again, Commander Fravor chased a tic-tac-shaped UFO. There's a very famous case called the Phoenix Lights, and this is a mass sighting of a triangular-shaped craft a mile wide. We don't have anything like that in our arsenal. And people that you speak with who actually saw it, I interviewed a doctor and a lawyer, husband and wife,"
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"text": " Who saw it this this thing came over it touched mountain to mountain. So it's over mile wide and when it came over them totally silent. It was like as if there was a bubble around them of silence like all the crickets stopped everything and they're looking at what would have been the bottom of this thing and it looks like waving of glass like they can see the stars through it and there's a lot of reasons."
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"text": " You can see different optics when you see these crafts because of how they're powered, how they distort, how they navigate is through a propulsion system based on gravity. As we know, gravity distorts time and space. So you can get an optical illusion just looking up at these things. Back to the beings, because this is always exciting. People will say, well, they look like us, they're bipedal. No, that's not true."
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"text": " There are so many cases of the grays, right? That's what you're referring to, this popularization of the gray alien. And yeah, a lot of people have seen that. Betty and Barney Hill were the first abduction case to identify this type of being in the pop culture. However, there's been a lot of reports of different types of operators of these craft. They look very different than that."
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"text": " So I can't say for sure that we're being visited by another planet. I can't say for sure that these things look a certain way. Again, these could be artificial cyborg intelligences that are just being controlled by a super intelligent AI. We don't know who's controlling and piloting these craft that could be drones."
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"text": " When you say that it's not necessarily from outside of our solar system, then do you mean that it's us in the future? Or do you mean that it's when you say another dimension? I'm unclear. So please speculate. I'm unclear. I don't even know what another dimension means. I'm not that smart. I just know that the evidence doesn't suggest that this is just people from zeta reticuli star system coming in and visiting us because they like our mushrooms. I mean, I don't know. But people have theorized"
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"text": " that these are extratemporal beings, by the nature of time travel itself, or by the nature of gravitational travel itself, you do have distortions in time and space. So some people say they're extratemporal, they're us from the future. I have no idea. The evidence doesn't suggest that to me. But the more exotic theories is this idea of extradimensionals, that there are these kind of perforations in our reality."
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"text": " our dimension and that beings and yet craft can come through. Now I don't know the physics of it, I don't know if that's true, but I do know that the study the government did on a place called Skinwalker Ranch in Utah, where a lot of these phenomena seemed to express themselves, they were doing so because they saw deployment, they saw"
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"text": " tears what appeared like tears in the sky and craft and beings come through now whether you believe this or not our government did study this ranch for many years our defense intelligence agency did they thought it was a real threat so my point is i don't know the more i learn the less i know about ufos"
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"text": " Are they just beings from another planet? Or is it stranger, like inter-dimensionals, extratemporals? I don't know. Have you heard any great ideas as to why they flex in isolated situations? For example, why don't they now, why don't they come to a place like New York or Toronto and show themselves if they want to show their prowess? Why is it always in places where there's lack of footage or secrecy?"
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"text": " Well, we no longer have have lack of footage, you know, there's lack of high resolution footage, let's say, okay, but that's another misnomer, you know, because the the FLIR pod, the FLIR pod footage, that's it's not like an iPhone, those things are targeting systems, their weapon systems, those are multimillion dollar camera systems, they're just showing you a thermal"
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"text": " You know signature because of the they want to look for thermal signatures to see what how these things are propelling So if you had a normal camera, you'd get less information So the footage albeit square black and white and grainy gives us more information about that vehicle the tic-tac UFO in 2004 off of the west coast of California Then if you had a normal camera, but to your point your point is well"
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"text": " If they're here, why haven't they landed on the White House lawn? Why haven't they said, hey, we're here? And a lot of people, you know, over centuries have asked that question. It's like, you know, what are these things and why aren't they presenting themselves? I would argue that they are, that they do so in a very delicate and intricate manner, that they do so to a variety of individuals throughout time."
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"text": " Obviously, if they wanted to show great power, if they wanted to show a great force, they could do so. They could shut down our nuclear weapons or turn them on. So there you go. Maybe there's a program in place. I would like to believe it's an educational program that over time we're being acclimated to this other reality. I don't know that to be true. Maybe, as I said before, there's a reason"
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"text": " Have you explored any connections between psychedelics and aliens?"
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"text": " I'm interested in the expansion of consciousness and what exists within our consciousness that is untapped."
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"text": " So, you know, my psychedelic experiences have been beautiful. I never have communed with the aliens or anything. I don't know if there's a direct connection. A lot of people have this these great ideas that, you know, the planet was seeded from outer space on an asteroid by mushrooms to enhance, you know, homo sapien and bring them up in intelligence. And I mean, that's that's a derogatory theory. You know, I don't know. I just know that people do draw that connection in that"
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"text": " The expanse of our consciousness seems a little bit less limited when you open these doors of perception through things like psychedelics, properly used, maybe ceremonially used and not frivolously used, you know, go into a rave or something. But I don't think they're the key. And I don't think they're the answer."
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"text": " And I think that if we were going to learn something from them about these visitors, we probably would have learned them thousands of years ago. Human beings have been doing psychedelics for thousands of years. So I wouldn't go jump and do a whole bunch of psychedelics to try to communicate with the aliens. It's not going to work. Why do you think it is that the government released some of the videos, the TikTok video in particular?"
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"text": " I know specifically why they released reluctantly these videos because of public pressure, pressure on the inside and pressure on the outside. There's a number of people who worked to get these videos released. It's not something that the Department of Defense and the intelligence agencies freely wanted to release. Why give the public information about something that one, we don't know that much about and two, we certainly cannot control."
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"text": " It needs to be perceived as a threat from a military perspective until we can identify the pilots, the purpose and intent. So it's not just like the government's like, oh, UFOs are real. Here you go. There's a lot of people that worked to get that information out. Remember, if you're a fighter pilot and you chase one of these things and you go start talking about it,"
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"text": " People are going to think you're not wrapped so tight and they're going to take away your wings is what they used to do, stop you from flying. No fighter pilot wants that. So now they're trying to make it, there's actually new policies that have been promised to make it easier for people to report these near misses they call them, like close encounters. And if we do that, then people won't be stigmatized as much and we'll get more data."
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"text": " So you think it's because perhaps they want more data and they just want to destigmatize it? You know, I don't know that that's I think they have way better technology than the civilian world. I don't think they need us anymore. You know, for UFO data, I think that they can track something the size of a golf ball coming in from from outer space. So I don't think they need more data. I think it was just public pressure. People know this stuff is real. They see it. Pilots see it."
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"text": " Individuals see it. I mean, it's tracked on radar systems. It's hard to continuously cover it up. You know, I want to defend you for a bit because you take a lot of flack and I feel like much of it is undeserved. We're going to get into some of the criticisms of you. I'm curious as to what you think about them. But the way that I view it is there are very few people with the breadth of knowledge that you have when it comes to this topic. And this topic is extremely prepossessing. It's frightening. It's also enrapturing. And I see you like"
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"text": " Maybe George Knapp can rival you. So George Knapp is like you on Benadryl. And you are like George Knapp on Ritalin. So I like George Knapp, at least from what I've seen of him. And I'm a fan of you, so I want to defend you. Guess what? What have people said? Let me know. Tell me."
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"text": " Well, if you look at the comments in some of the Joe Rogan interviews, actually, I don't know specifically, but what do you see as some of the best criticisms of you and what do you see as some of the worst? Which one do you not pay attention to?"
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"text": " I've stopped paying attention to other people's perception of me a long time ago. It's not important to my well-being. It's not important to my spiritual evolution or personal evolution. I have friends who have completely different points of view than I do."
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"text": " But social media really allows people to be so anonymous that they speak with authority about something that they don't have authority on. So, you know, yeah, man, people, you know, they hate me for my beard, they hate me for my attitude, they hate me for talking. If I say a word, you know, I shouldn't be able to say that word. So I don't really care. Sure, if I were to go in and read thousands of comments, you know, on the Joe Rogan podcast,"
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"text": " You know, that would be the worst thing I could do in my life because it's just like people call you a shithead over and over. You might start believing it, but ultimately I know who I am and the truth is I'm a curious individual. I want to get closer to the truth. I'm not afraid of speaking up and saying what I believe to be true or what I know or what I don't know. My personality is not one to sit. I would get nothing done if I just sat back."
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"text": " And let things come to me. I go for them. I try to dig in and find out the truth on things. And for some people that's off-putting. So yeah, I get love letters, you know, and then some that are not so love letters. And I think the ones that are very vocal are the ones that, you know, try to diminish me or, you know, say that I'm somehow a problem."
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"text": " I don't consider that a compliment. I consider that like a, you know, a mental disorder. I, you know, I, I don't know. People are very passionate about the UFO topic and I think it strikes a lot of nerves. And I think that you see that polarization in social media comments. So what you're bringing up is a lot of people talk shit about me. That that's what you're bringing up. And fact, that is true. I think in a disproportionate amount of people like to talk shit about"
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"text": " My parents is or what I talk about or when I make films or stuff like that. I don't let that affect my work. If something is good, if it's like a constructive criticism, I guess they say, I'll better myself from it. Right. And most of people call themselves skeptics are more in the business of tearing down rather than building up. So it's not much constructive. Oh, no. Yes. Skeptics are like debunkers. People that just"
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"text": " Well to defend you and to defend debunkers, there is a place for them because you need to know your harshest critiques in order to strengthen your own theory. But then at the same time, I'm also a fan of"
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"text": " There's something called a meiudic method. It's a Socratic method of eliciting ideas, and I don't see them as engaging in that. They may say that what we're doing is trying to get to the truth, but the truth is also in part a creative process and not just a purely destructive one."
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"text": " Yeah, and there's a difference between somebody who's skeptical, because, believe it or not, I'm extremely skeptical, I have to deal with so much bullshit, so many lies in the UFO field, that I've honed myself to have a bullshit meter. I mean, I am as skeptical as they come. But I'm not a debunker. You know, debunkers are people that try to just say what Commander Fravor saw was a reflection inside the hood of his airplane and"
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"text": " Forget the radar data. Forget the other pilots that saw it. Forget the internal investigations through the Defense Intelligence Agency. None of that matters. He saw a reflection inside his cockpit. That's ridiculous. These are ridiculous people saying ridiculous things to try to presuppose their initial assertion. I'm curious about how you structure your day. What time do you wake up?"
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"text": " And how long do you work for? And do you have to work in solid blocks? How do you get inspired? I don't advise anybody to take my advice on how to structure your life. See, I don't think I've got the model life. Forget about advice. I'm just curious as to how you do it. Yeah, okay. Well, I was a mixed martial athlete my whole life. So starting at nine years old, you know, up until 2004 is when I officially stopped, you know, training."
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"text": " I was a very dedicated physical individual. So from training to meditation to diet, very strict, you know, I trained probably, you know, eight hours a day. So coming from that place, I had like a life changing experience with illness. And then I started on a new path, a path of art and a path of film. And since that time,"
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"text": " My daily habits have fluctuated, but the thing that remains kind of consistent is I don't sleep very much. I've always been one of those people that just work creatively best at night. I go to bed when the sun comes up or whenever I feel like it and I sleep as long as I want. But I, you know, I don't sleep a lot. You know, average is like five to seven hours a night. I eat once a day."
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"text": " That's another thing that has always been kind of for me is I eat when I'm hungry. I'm hungry once a day. I don't know. I like beer more than water. Do you meditate still? Not in the same way. No, my life has changed a lot from that physical discipline. I will say, though, that all those years of intensive training, both physical and then mental with meditation,"
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"text": " I can kind of be doing anything. And I feel I'm in that meditative state. So if I have to clean my room, or do the dishes, you know, that's when I take that silence. What kind of meditation was it mindfulness, transcendental?"
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"text": " Well, as movement meditation, it all started initially with Jiu Jitsu, and then I developed a form of yoga that was handed to me for martial arts for martial athletics. So it was a form of yoga called warrior yoga, and it basically trained me and then then my students and I opened up schools all around the US and actually outside of the US to use a movement meditation and incorporates breath and very strenuous exercise that work with the fine twitch muscles."
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"text": " And so I did that for probably 20 years. And, uh, you know, then I did see the medicine. I traveled all around the world looking for people to learn from, from martial arts to meditation, to healers, to seekers, to, you know, I've been all around the world. This is before your foray into filmmaking or this is afterward. Yeah, it's a joke. I'm a filmmaker. Like I had no idea that I would ever become a filmmaker. I was a mixed martial athlete. That's it. That's all done."
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"text": " So making a film was just me sharing my life experience, what I have learned, who I have met. And I was very lucky in that aesthetically, you know, companies like Netflix were like, fuck, this is good. And they were like, we're gonna put it out. So finally, I'm making money on my movies. Let's go through some of the creative process. What's going on on the board behind you? How do you structure your scenes? And is that helping you structure your scenes?"
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"text": " So I insert these parts to the movies based upon kind of what I feel is lacking. But it's really easy, man. Pick up a camera. The world is out there. There's a lot to film. How long is this director's cut? Is it ever coming out? I don't know. I think I'll put it out in sections. So the Bobbizarre Area 51 and Flying Saucers, that's the name of the Netflix film. You know, imagine there's thousands of hours of footage with Bob that I have."
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"text": " When I got the guy who did Bob Lazar's security clearance to work at Area 51, at first he was going to go on camera with me, and then he basically decided not to go on camera with me because it was explosive, what he had to say. He goes, I remember Bob. I did his security clearance. So all I could do in the film is report on that. Trust me or not, I talked to the guy. His name is Mike Figpin. And I got a hold of him. After 30 years, I was able to find him. You mentioned George Knapp."
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"text": " George Knapp is an investigative reporter out of Las Vegas, Nevada. He's the guy that broke the Area 51 story on Bob Lazar. You had mentioned him earlier in the interview. George Knapp has been a mentor to me."
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"text": " So George has helped me with my investigations and we've done a couple of films with him. He's featured in two of my three major films. Right. You use some of his footage in Skinwalker, correct? Absolutely. That was footage the world had never seen. He had been documenting Skinwalker Ranch for like 20 years and no one wasn't allowed to put the footage out, but I was able to get it for that film. Do you think aliens have communicated with our government explicitly?"
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"text": " Yeah, I'm curious about that myself. Not sure. I think it's I think, look, it's step one time, man. Step one is the general public needs to get caught up. They need to get caught up with the fact that the UFO presence is real, that we are being visited on a regular basis by an intelligence that are flying hard craft that are far outpace our technology."
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"text": " And we think we know how they work. Our government thinks they know how it works. They can't replicate it. But as far as you know, there's no documents that say that the aliens have explicitly communicated with USA or Russia. There's nothing that I would concretely say, you know, a classified document that I would say that's probably real. I have obtained documents that say as much, but the"
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"text": " The authenticity of these documents will always be in question because you can't track the source. And the documents, are they implying some sort of collusion between the aliens and the government or is this something else? Okay, so anybody that wades into the UFO world really, really needs to protect themselves from disinformation. There have been active programs of disinformation that have been admitted to by our government. So as far as I know, there's Project Blue Book. Is that what you're referring to?"
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"text": " No, no, but different. Okay, so this is important. Project Blue Book was the it ended in 1969. Supposedly, it was the United States government study of UFOs. Now what people don't know is they are a lot of people don't know is that there were two UFO study programs before project sign and project grudge. Sign as in sine wave or s i g n sine."
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"text": " Project Sign and Project Grudge, and then there's Project Blue Book. And this is the one that's very famous that everybody knows about, where the US government said the famous saying where J. Allen Hynek, who ran Project Blue Book, said that one of the UFOs was swamp gas. You ever hear that? Oh, it's probably swamp gas. It's a very famous thing that people say to debunk UFOs."
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"text": " Jay Allen Hynek who ran Project Blue Book later apologized for that because he knew the UFO topic was real and he was mandated to quote unquote demystify the UFO topic to the public. So Project Blue Book was a sham and now everybody knows that there are cases that they can't describe but their mandate was to try to calm the American public."
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"text": " People involved in that process, like J. Allen Hynek, later revealed that their mandate was to suppress the information, was to minimize it, was to come up with prosaic explanations. And this is what that term swamp gas comes from. Now, our government, the United States government, also told us that our study of UFOs ended in 1969. We now know that to be a lie."
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"text": " I told you about OSAP and I told you about ATEM. Those programs have now been acknowledged. So our government did not stop studying UFOs. Of course they didn't. They represent a technology that's far superior to what we have. We want that technology. Whoever gains the technology that is shown in these UFOs, they win. They win everything."
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"text": " It is a technology that cannot be competed with. It can be weaponized. If these things do travel using gravity wave amplification, if that's true, then this can be weaponized. So in the history... Go ahead. No, I was gonna make a joke. Go ahead, I like jokes. Speaking of weaponized, one of my first questions to you was,"
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"text": " Has your curiosity been weaponized? I asked the audience for a few questions. Someone said to ask him if his curiosity has been weaponized. I didn't get it until I watched a few interviews. My curiosity has been radicalized. Are you kidding me? What I've learned through all of this? Are you kidding me? Yeah, of course, man. So for your audience that doesn't know, I am accused, rightfully so, of saying weaponize your curiosity almost every time I talk."
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"text": " And I make a point of doing it. I think it's hilarious. I think I like to see people get so upset about it. What does weaponization have anything to do with it? Look, your curiosity is your greatest weapon, man. It's what allows you to ask questions, right? If you don't ask questions, you're never going to even get close to the answer. So always make the joke weaponize your curiosity. Yes, my motherfucking curiosity has been weaponized."
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"text": " I got a few IMDB credits here for you. Apparently you're still working on them. So there's extraordinary beliefs. It says it's a TV series or filming immaculate deception, filming indelible, filming truth embargo, filming storm area 51 filming and then post-production on looking up and moonwalker. Is that true? Or are you just pretty much working on? Yeah. And I think people are going to be really upset if they try to put me on a timeline. I'm one person."
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"text": " Yeah, I'm filming on all of those. Some of them I think are probably finished filming and, you know, depending on where I put my effort next, you know, I'll come out with that film. For example, Immaculate Deception. I filmed, as I said, for seven or eight years with John Lear. That's that movie. I could make that movie right now. I could cut that movie. It's not the time for it. It's not the time for that movie. So"
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"text": " All of those are projects of mine that are in the phase where they can start being edited, but I don't know what I'm coming out with next. I haven't chosen. How do you decide when the time is right to release a particular film? Right. So for Hunt for the Skinwalker, which was my second big film, came out on Hulu, I knew it was time for that film to come out. Because if you watch the beginning of that film, we announce that there's about to be a"
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"text": " paradigm shift about UFOs in the public. That is before the New York Times article came out, identifying the UFO study programs. So because I had prior knowledge that the US government was going to announce through the New York Times that this was going to be announced, I knew that film had to be made because what people didn't know"
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"text": " is that a lot of those programs specifically tied back to Skinwalker Ranch. Skinwalker Ranch had been a mystery before my film. Nobody had ever seen footage from inside of Skinwalker Ranch come out into the public domain for 25 years. Never happened until my film. So I knew it was time for that film because I had pre-knowledge"
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"text": " that these UFO cases are going to come out to the New York Times. Speaking as a filmmaker, how long did it take you to develop the relationship so that you can get inside knowledge? Because if you're just someone from the outside, even if you say, well, I'm making a documentary on topic X, you'll get a surface level clearance, let's say, and you don't have the connections. How long did it take you to build it? What did you do? What tactics? I have a charming personality. Can't you tell?"
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"text": " That's my best tactic. I'm not in the military. I don't have a security clearance. I've never signed an NDA for anything. I'm lucky. I have a good mentor in George Knapp. He's certainly opened a lot of doors for me with witnesses, I'd like to say."
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"text": " And I think just over time, I've been persistent about it. I've been interested in UFOs before I started making movies. So I look, I've been able to be led into the Annapolis Naval Academy and sit in on classes, you know, have to do the aerospace. I've made great connections with individuals who would have access to these UFO based programs within our within our government. And I've never burned anybody. I've never spoken out of school."
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"text": " So the people that have come forward to me, I've never burned them. So imagine what I'm showing you in my films and the information that I'm bringing forward. There's a lot more that I've never said because I would never burn somebody for giving me information. Has the government ever contacted you or followed you or have you received any threats or strange occurrences like Lazar had his doors opened and his gun that was in his glove compartment put on his seat and so on?"
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"text": " And that's interesting. So I think just over time, people have realized, and they've told me this, people call me after the Lazar film. They're like, I know Bob's telling the truth. And here's my little one thing I can tell you, but I don't want anybody to know it came from me. And they contact you over a phone, text, email or in person or letter or what? It always begins with email or usually begins with email."
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"text": " Some forested area, if I recall. I could be wrong. Either way, whatever. You're talking to Bob. I remember seeing trees. So there's some trees. Is it away from his house? Or is it right in his backyard?"
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"text": " and about the claim that he got a piece of the stabilized 115 out of Los Alamos. Actually, people thought it's site for everyone. It's not. He claimed he got a piece out of Los Alamos National Laboratory, where they were machining the element 115 to send back to the test site. I see. But the people at Los Alamos didn't know what they're machining. Correct. As a contracted job, according to Bob,"
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"text": " And Bob did claim to get at least one piece out from Los Alamos. And he's been very cagey about that. Although he did do an experiment, a cloud chamber test, and there were witnesses, and I've spoken with all of them. There are witnesses in the room with him at home. And I'll tell you this, Bob believed that he had a piece of element 115. His friends who were scientists, many of them, scientists, George Knapp saw the experiment as well. They believed"
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"text": " If you had a laser pointer back then, you could just shine a laser over it. And if it was real, it would have been. But they didn't at that time. They weren't readily available. This was 1989. So they did a cloud chamber experiment in Bob's backyard. I mean, Bob's a smart guy. He built two particle accelerators, one in New Mexico and one in his bedroom in Las Vegas. You know, he's a very technical guy and a really interesting scientist. And so that talk"
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"text": " In my movie, In the Forest, you know, was, I don't know, 600 meters away from Bob's front door, right? It's a pretty significant distance on his property. And we thought our conversation was private. And in my film, I just show you a little bit, I show the viewer that we are talking about element 115. We are talking about the idea that he might have retrieved a sample of element 115"
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"text": " And if you believe that he did, that might give a rational explanation for the intense FBI multi-agency raid of his facility, which happened the next day, the day I left. So that was the point in the movie. Now, of course, I fast forwarded through that scene in the movie. I am not showing the contents of that conversation."
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"text": " Okay, so is the insinuation that the FBI or the CIA or whatever it may be was listening to you, even though you were 600 meters away from the house? Oh, they were. Yeah. Yeah. Like with some sort of shotgun microphone or we don't place transmitters? Man, I gotta tell you, it drove us crazy. I mean, Bob initially thought I"
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"text": " talked, you know, Bob, Bob, I think all the fingers were pointed at me from Bob and Bob's friends. You know, I was the guy with camera equipment recording devices. And when they came and said, we know you had a conversation. And we know, you know, some of the specifics of that conversation. It terrified us. Okay, so let me break this down for you. So it doesn't sound so cloak and dagger."
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"text": " We go out to where we thought was remote on Bob's property out of precaution. We're about to talk about element 115. We're about to talk if Bob Lazar got element 115 out of Los Alamos, this super heavy element that apparently was brought here, 500 pounds was brought here from somewhere else, and our government was using it in these non-terrestrial craft. I mean, it's a wild thing."
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"text": " And if Babuzaar is telling the truth, just consider that for a second. Just for a second, consider that Babuzaar is telling you exactly what happened. The United States government is reverse engineering UFOs, alien spacecraft. They're trying to, and that they have some. They have physical evidence of an advanced civilization, not from this earth, and that these craft are, you know, show a technology that's way beyond what we have. Just imagine that he's telling you the truth."
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"text": " And then he says he got a piece of element 115 out of Los Alamos. Now our government would want that back. So the idea is this is the one thing that's keeping him alive is that he's got this piece stashed somewhere. So he's about to tell me about this and we're going to talk through this and we're going to talk about how you could get this out to the public. That's the premise here. So no shortcuts."
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"text": " That's the premise. So out of caution, I was like, well, Bob, if you are telling the truth, let's just go out of your house. And he's like, well, no one cares. This is 30 years ago. No one cares about me anymore. And I'm like, well, let's just go anyway. So we go out to this forested area. And then as I'm recording with him, I'm like, you know,"
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"text": " We have cell phones. I'm like, maybe I should put those cell phones like over there. So I take the cell phones, we turn them off and I ditched them about 200 meters away. And we kind of joked about it. Like, who cares? No one's watching. No one cares, right? And then come to find out the next day, he gets raided by multiple agencies. Now you can believe, you know, Bob's version"
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"text": " you know, my version or, you know, the documents that we have found. They say they were there on an unrelated issue. All these agencies were there because of Thallium that, you know, that he might have Thallium, you know, that he was selling. He didn't, not in the way that they said. So in Bob's experience, this is not the first time he's been raided by multiple agencies and people that have been on those raids. I was able to talk with one."
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"text": " And they're like, this is the weirdest rate in the world. We didn't know what we were looking for. But the way Bob experienced it, and you have to take Bob's word on it, or don't, I don't care, but this is what he said, is that they came in, they could care less about this potential thallium."
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"text": " That they they cordoned off in grids his entire building, which I know to be true. I talked to the employees. I have some photos and they were looking for the element 115. This is what he said on Larry King and I stand by it as well. And the one thing they did was they repeated. I'll just say the best way to say is they repeated back to him. Part of our conversation."
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"text": " and it was mystifying i mean bob immediately thought i i leaked the feds they mentioned your name or they just said you recently talked to someone and this is what you said or we hear through the grapevine i have to dance around this part but word for word the conversation was relayed to bob there was no doubt that there was recording"
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"text": " of that conversation. Now it's not so weird when you find out through official documents that they had been surveilling both his home and his place of business two days prior to the raid when I was there. So now how did they achieve that recording? I have some friends that do these types of raids in federal agencies and I have spoken with them"
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"text": " And I have learned that there are multiple ways to do this, multiple ways. For example, they have a very cool technology that you can point at any window in any house and the vibrations of the voice can be picked up off of those windows. Now, obviously, we were in the woods, right? So how did they get it?"
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"text": " We have theorized over and over. We've looked into the technologies. We thought it could be our phones, and that's the number one culprit right now. We thought our phones had been turned into listening devices because they knew a certain amount."
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"text": " If they had heard that whole conversation, they would have no need to speak with Bob. Okay. So, so clearly at some point, what do you mean by that? If they'd heard the whole conversation, they wouldn't need to speak with them. Meaning that Bob conveyed to me the details of the element 115 and potentially if he had some where he stashed it. I see. I see. I see. So they wouldn't need"
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"text": " And they have access to that. And I was so paranoid about it. First of all, Bob Lazar had never let anybody into his life to film with him. Right. Yeah. So I was every card I had was connected directly to a computer that never went online. There is no way interesting. Yeah, there is no way that anybody was able to get that out of the ether. You know, so first thing, you know, I thought is we went out to dinner that night. You know, did somebody come in like,"
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"text": " get my computer card. But it was there right where I left it. And I don't see that as a possibility at this time. I mean, he didn't have security cameras up on his home, but I don't see that as a possibility. And just the mere fact that they decided to look at his place of business for the LV-115, they didn't hear the rest of the conversation. I've never talked about this, but that is how I understand it."
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"text": " Someone that doesn't want to believe, Bob, this is just another reason to not believe in this. This sounds so crazy, but I'll tell you, it happened and it happened exactly the way I'm telling you. And I'm dead sure that our conversation was monitored, that they were able to record that conversation and that they had full knowledge of that conversation until I put the phones to the side. And that's why I think it was the phones because"
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"text": " And by the way, if you write to the end. Ah, okay. Yeah. So the second part of that recording, which is by the way, now spread out on multiple drives in multiple states, you know, it's never going away that footage. Like I have that footage, there's no stopping it from coming out at it. Like it will come out one day when the time is right. But you know, the point is, I think it was the phones. There are cool ways to get audio. It makes more sense. It makes more sense. It does. But if you, if you,"
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"text": " If you appeal to the NSA who dictates some of these FISA warrants and these phone taps, they can never confirm nor deny. So you'll never get any information. So I'm unable to get any information if that is true or not, if it was the phone. Too bad, too bad. Why do you say that? This is what's keeping Bob alive. This is something I've thought about. I'm sure many people as well. It's like, okay, let's say Bob is telling the truth."
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"text": " Why doesn't the government from day one or day two just kill him? There's many ways that you can kill someone like, you know, breaking bad. You can just give someone ricin and make it look like they have the flu or especially right now during covid. Yeah. So why is he still? Yeah, that would be a bad idea. A smart man like Bob, you know, has ways to get information out if he were to go missing. So, you know, look, again, this is a"
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"text": " This is a very touchy situation. Bob wouldn't even talk about element 115. Everything I'm saying now was off limits when I first started filming with him. Because if you believe Bob, this is real world implications. Somebody had to get him the 115 out of Los Alamos, a machinist."
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"text": " That could be very problematic. Like that's a real problem. That's a you get charged, you get thrown away for smuggling. I mean, that's a bad thing. So if we believe Bob, and I'm okay if people don't, like I'm totally cool if people don't believe him. I wouldn't believe him if I didn't have the direct access to everybody in his life, you know, where I realized the story is true. So I don't expect anybody to believe it. But if we just suspend disbelief for a moment, and we believe Bob,"
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"text": " I would project that one of the reasons why Bob Azar was not killed for speaking out is because one, who's going to believe it? Before December of 2018 and the US government studying UFOs, who's going to believe Bob? Not many people. So is he really a threat?"
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"text": " But a physical piece of evidence, I would suspect that is the reason why he's not just given rise to be killed, because they know he probably has a backup plan. So if you are to believe Bob, I would think that's a, that's an important thing. I would be careful if I was Bob. I see. Yeah."
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"text": " When I was watching, I think it was called Immaculate Deception with John Lear. Yeah, I put out an episode of that. Yeah. When I was watching that there was this clip with him saying behind me, maybe soon there's going to be some UFOs flying. That reminded me of what Bob did. Is he doing the same thing that Bob did where he gets some of his friends to film it because he knows the schedule of when these crafts are going to fly?"
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"text": " No, no, I think I think John Lear's got a few screws loose. I mean, people are going to hate me for saying that, you know, but he does. I mean, I love John. He's like my crazy uncle. You know, he does not love me anymore. He's very mad at me. Because, oh, it's a long story. You know, John's a conspiracy theorist. He was very difficult to work. He sabotaged his own movie, the movie I was working on for seven years. He just killed it dead in the water because of his actions. I mean, he's"
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"text": " John's pretty wild. Are you allowed to talk about that? Yeah, I'm under no contract. Yeah. Okay. What do you mean? How did he sabotage it? Um, well, I had filmed with John for many years and I had a really good relationship with him. And when it came down to, you know, kind of his life rights and finally, um, relinquishing and letting me make the film, he decided to sign him over on a napkin to his daughter, basically."
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"text": " So when I had brought in other producers and people to come help bring this to life, you know, it was kind of like, you know, maybe there's money to be made was his thought or something, and just sabotage the whole thing. So that's my version of it, at least it's sad because he was a friend and I really I care for john."
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"text": " But he's, I think he wanted to be the star of the movie. And when I made the Bob Lazar movie, I think he was very upset the movie wasn't about him. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, for the record, I love John Lear. I wish him well. I care about him very much. Just unfortunately, he's sabotaged a lot of things in his life. And this is one of them. As for why John Lear hasn't been killed. Why do you think that is? He's not credible."
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"text": " But in the beginning, you said, look, this is someone who worked for the CIA as a pilot and he has, here's some world records that he has. Oh yeah, no, he's done, he's had phases of credibility for sure. Like, you know, look, he's an exceptional man. At one point he was the youngest person ever to climb the Matterhorn. Like the guy was an explorer. He was right about Area 51, the term Area 51. He was right about what they were doing there. He actually"
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"text": " was able, look, he comes from the Lear family. So at the news agencies in Vegas, like the guy has some credibility, you know, he was right about some of the back engineering of the MIG, the Russian MIG fighter they were doing. And he got photos of the stealth fighter and leaked them to a guy named Ned Day in Las Vegas, a reporter who was George Knapp's mentor."
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"text": " So he had this credibility of being a guy that goes out in 1977, takes the best photo ever of Area 51 at lake level. I have that photo. I mean, this is like, hold on, just take me one second, but I think it's worthy."
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"text": " Those are the neodymium magnets, man. Those things are strong. Cool. This is a photo from John Lear. This is the night in 1977, the year I was born. He went to error 51 at lake level. The only security was a chain, a hanging chain, and he sits right at the lake level."
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"text": " and he takes a panoramic of photos and he sees in the distance a car coming and it's kicking up dust right so you can see it coming from a long way away and he's like oh they're coming so he took that the camera he took the film put it under his ashtray put in a new uh roll of film took the identical pictures and when they rolled up on him they said we know who you are you got a camera give us the film"
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"text": " Pops open the camera, gives him the film. They never asked if he had another duplicate set inside his ashtray. That's a great idea. Right. So he comes out 1977 and gives us the best photos ever of Groom Lake Area 51 at close range."
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"text": " And again, nobody had ever done that before. He wrote to me, he said, Jeremy, it's Groom Lake, you moron. Let's go Wednesday, every Wednesday. That photo doesn't seem to show anything incriminating other than that there are buildings at Area 51. No, no. In 1977, it shows Groom Lake. There has not been a photo of Groom Lake since John Lear's 1977 photos that have been that close up."
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"text": " So it was just at the time in particular was really crazy. He's exposing this military base that people didn't even acknowledge the name of. So John had credibility. And then when he came forward to George Knapp about UFOs, no one wanted to touch it. George's bosses didn't want to touch it. George's boss famously said, or his mentor Ned Day famously said, if any of this were real, I would have known about it."
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"text": " When you said that UFOs are just some small part of a larger project, what did you mean?"
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"text": " I like to say to the phenomenon, I believe from, well, the evidence shows me that UFOs is a very small aspect of a much larger phenomenon. Okay, so what I mean by that is that UFOs appear to be part of a larger phenomenon, meaning UFOs are kind of an auxiliary implication of a much larger reality. So this idea that what we're seeing are machines from other planets, I'm unconvinced what we may be seeing"
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"text": " is an alternate reality you know maybe it is something closer to you know dimensional travel there seems to be another version of reality that is occurring and that somehow once in a while they they perforate they pop through into our reality and this is not just from a cursory look at the UFO phenomenon this is from talking with thousands of close encounter eyewitnesses"
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"text": " who tell me that this is something bigger than just flying machines. To give you an example, at Skinwalker Ranch, the report is that a piece of the sky opened up like a tear, and out of this tear came beings, you know, came craft. So UFOs is a symptom. It's part of this alternate reality, the phenomenon, as I call it. But it's not just about UFOs. UFOs represent this phenomenon."
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"text": " What other phenomenon are there? Bigfoot ghosts? Yeah, I wish I knew I could stand firm and saying I know this to be true. Skinwalker Ranch is the best example of this because you have UFO phenomenon, but you also have cattle mutilation, which is often associated with lights in the sky."
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"text": " So cattle mutilation is something as an example, concrete example, cattle mutilation. Is this a UFO phenomenon or is this a government experiment? Or is this a private corporation that's going around and mutilating these cows and draining their blood in the dead of night? Nobody has ever been caught"
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"text": " During these cattle mutilations that are homogenous, they are the same across the board. They're drained of blood. There's two types of incisions. They take the same things, the genitals, the sexual organs, piece of the cheek and an eye and an ear. It's the same thing."
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"text": " This is associated with the UFO phenomenon because the farmers and people that are cattle ranchers, they see UFOs oftentimes during these mutilations. So I can't separate them. So we got UFOs tied with cattle mutilation. Okay, that one I can understand. I mean, I've heard of that since I was a kid. Okay, what else? That's tied to UFOs."
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"text": " I mean, I don't know, the experiences are so wild, man. I mean, when people, you know, get engaged with these entities, you know, people have had, it's not just hard, it's not like craft come in there, no one's flying them. I'll give you an example, the aerial school. This is an amazing case in South Africa. And, you know, 80 kids or something."
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"text": " saw these craft land in the field by their school. All these kids, the BBC came the next day and interviewed these kids with head of Harvard psychiatry, John Mack. John Mack gets out there. They interview the kids. They all say the same thing. These craft came down and they were little beings on the craft with these huge almond shaped eyes. And I personally know two of the children, they were at the time children. And then now they're adults and they, they"
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"text": " They were within meters, I mean, within four feet, one of them was in four feet of one of these beings, bipedal being wearing like a suit, a gray alien kind of thing with these huge almond shaped eyes that she said mesmerized her. This is somebody who's not lying. I mean, all of these kids saw it. Again, John Mack at Harvard psychiatry went and he was head of Harvard psychiatry and he went interviewed them with the BBC. It's a historic case. And what was his conclusion? That they're telling the truth."
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"text": " that they saw exactly what they said they saw. You can't make it up across all these kids with the same explanations. And Lisa and Salma are the two females who were there as kids that I know now, current day, and it has affected their lives. If you look at footage of them talking to John Mack on the BBC, and they're talking about how they were mesmerized, and then they showed them like images in their in their mind's eye, like a movie of the destruction of our planet."
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"text": " and how we have to be more careful with our ecosystem and our earth and we need to treat it right or we're doomed. Well, you know, back when this happened, that wasn't a huge topic of conversation like it is today with climate change. So these children took on the burden of telling people what these aliens told them. So that's a good example of a phenomenon that goes beyond just the hard craft, right? And goes into the beings operating"
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"text": " Why did these, I know you're just going to have to speculate, but why do you think these aliens came to these African children instead of going to some places that could make a difference now, given, let's say they're the CEO of some corporation that's exporting negative externalities in the form of pollution at a much higher rate than these 80 African children. Why do you think that they went to them? Yeah. I mean, again, you were right. I have to speculate. I mean, I have no inside knowledge. It's okay. Who cares? Who cares? Let's speculate. It's fine. I'm curious. Give me some ideas."
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"text": " sure sure let me toy with it yeah yeah for sure so total speculation i mean i'm not trying to be evasive about it i just like you know really when i don't know something dude i don't fucking know it so yeah here's the deal these beings these craft these entities maybe they're all playing the same game and on the same team maybe they're not maybe there's competing agendas and maybe this is a learning process maybe"
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"text": " It's so weird to think that we might not have even a most simple grasp on what's going on with UFOs and this alien presence, whatever this is. Maybe it's so much stranger. Again, maybe we're a commodity, maybe humanity itself. In one of the documents that Bob Lazar read, it called this containers. Containers of what? Blood?"
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"text": " Are we containers of souls? I don't even know what a soul is. What is a soul? So maybe one of the crazier theories, you know, maybe we're containers for the maturation of souls, like a nice wine, you know, and we're a commodity in some way, just like we would, you know, make sure that our livestock doesn't spread a disease that eliminates them. You know, we're being"
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"text": " You know, these entities are being sure that we don't blow up our earth with our nuclear weapons because somehow we're important to them. The nefarious version is we're a commodity. The non nefarious version, you know, the positive version is that, you know, we're a sample of life and they want us to get through our primitive stage of warfare and self-destruction and violence and hatred and racism, horrible shit so that we can thrive in a larger community."
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"text": " I don't know. That was somewhat haunting when I heard that we're containers or that the aliens refer to us as containers. Let's imagine it's true. Is this just a somewhat terrifying thought? I mean, it depends on what you're containing. Well, again, I mean, we're talking, we're on real fringe territory here. Most people, they're worried about, you know, where their next paychecks coming from. My doggy."
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"text": " We're the next paychecks coming from, you know, people are worried about, you know, keeping the peace within their own family. People are worried about not giving a loved one COVID. I mean, this idea I think is very important that we are not alone in the universe, that we are being visited by an intelligence that's far technologically superior to humanity, and that we've been visited for a long time, and that there is a message being sent in some ways to some people."
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"text": " from the sample, meaning that the isotopes within the Zinc 64 came back from the laboratory as non terrestrial. That's how you tell location is isotopes. And this was odd. So no, I didn't follow up. This is not my life. I'm not a scientist. That's Jacques Vallee, the famous Jacques Vallee. He can follow up with it. He is a scientist. So with patient 17, he went back to his normal life. You know, he's just a subject of a film."
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"text": " You mentioned that there's someone named Richard Doty who was driven mad. Do you mind expanding on that or expatiating? Yeah, that's a deep dive that people will need to really look into. But no, Richard Doty did not go mad. There's a guy named Paul Benowitz. This was a situation where the United States government put disinformations into the UFO field. One of the guys involved, he's a friend of mine."
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"text": " This is the guy named Rick Doty, who's a friend of mine. I like Rick. People vilify him and they're so angry. I'm friends with him. He's a good guy. Okay, so who's Rick and who's Paul and what happened to them? Rick Doty was paid to disinform the American public about UFOs by infiltrating the UFO field and spreading disinformation. And in one of his jobs doing this,"
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"text": " There was an individual named Paul Benowitz who was being fed the disinformation. And why it's so controversial is because Paul Benowitz went crazy, you know, in some states because of the, you know, Rick Doty playing with his mind and his emotions. But in reality, Paul had had a breakdown prior. Paul was not fully hinged. So that's a, that's a very famous case in UFO lore about the United States military"
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"text": " manipulating the beliefs of people within the UFO field, which has happened from time to time, disinformation. Rick worked for the government and Paul was just someone who was interested in, or maybe he's a ufologist, as some people call them. Yeah, he was a very brilliant scientist who worked near Manzano weapons storage area out in New Mexico. And he was filming things on a classified base from his home. And they were... Rick or Paul? What's that?"
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"text": " Paul was tasked with disinforming the UFO public and Paul and a couple other researchers. It happens all the time. People that research UFOs, you get hit with people trying to convince you of something. It happens to me all the time. I get evidence that's too good to be true. I get photographs, documents, and I never publish it because"
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"text": " These people are fucking with me. You think that they're government spies or government agents? I don't know who they work for. But yeah, certainly there I have gotten information that is feels too good to be true. And when I dig deeper and deeper, I'm not going to fall for it. Yeah. I don't know who's orchestrating it. Yeah. And Rick's role at the government was what? Was he a part of the CIA or FBI or what?"
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"text": " I've never been paid by the government to do anything about UFOs. So if somebody else is getting a paycheck, I'd like to know about it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, whatever. So I don't know. I don't know. I would imagine it's just like anything within the intelligence community is when you have individuals who are predisposed to doing the work that you want them to do. You can fund them to continue that work. I've seen it happen, you know, with domestic terrorism. I have a personal experience with that. I know individuals who are involved in that."
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"text": " I don't know if you've heard of this. Yeah, I'm unfamiliar. I'm unfamiliar with that. Okay, I'm going to send you the exact clip. And then if you don't mind watching it, because it might ring a bell, you know, yeah, that was an engaged five minute thing. And there's other stories from other countries, like there's a story in the back when the Soviet Union existed, that they actually would chase these things. And one of them shot at some, you know, it shot it because they said shoot at it and it shot it and then it got shot down."
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"text": " And then he said don't ever shoot at him again and don't chase them just you can observe them but don't go after them because obviously they have firepower that we can't control because if you can make something float around and jam radars at will and do whatever you want, you know, modern terrestrial weapons are probably not very useful. Yeah, I'm not I'm not familiar with that with that specific case but I know that there was a shoot down order in Russia."
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"text": " There's an interesting set of cases that the Argentinian government did a massive study on that you should look into where these, they call them chupas, I think. How do you spell them?"
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"text": " I think that was the name CHUPAS. I'm not sure that that's right. I could be getting that wrong. But there was a I think it was Argentina. And there was this whole government study. Again, man, I could be getting this totally wrong. But I'll send you the information later. Sure. But there were some instances of physical harm done by by lights. But I think typically with the with the UFO phenomenon,"
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"text": " These things are disinterested in us. Usually they're doing something like in the Travis Walton case, very famous case, Travis Walton was abducted. And you can look into this case yourself, but he believes that when he encountered the UFO in the forest, that it let off a field that did hurt him."
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"text": " Brandon Fugal said that there were some of his employees or people studying Skinwalker that were actually hurt and had to be hospitalized. Do you know of any of those cases? Can you tell me about the details? Yeah, so you're talking about Skinwalker Ranch and the current owner is Brandon Fugal. The owner before was Robert Bigelow, aerospace billionaire Robert Bigelow."
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"text": " I do know that at Skinwalker Ranch that there are a lot of claims of people having physical injuries from the phenomenon itself. I remain unconvinced on that connection and association between the phenomenon and these injuries. Now, I could be wrong. I do know that psychologically people have been injured"
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"text": " you know, from engaging the phenomenon. It appears that when they do, that it appears to follow them. And that is something that George Knapp has talked a lot about. And if there's a granite truth to it, you're going to find it at Skinwalker Ranch. And when you say the phenomenon, you mean it more like in the Wittgenstein sense of a family resemblance. It's not just UFOs, it's cognate topics like, well, UFOs are witnessed"
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"text": " when there's a whole bunch of other phenomena going on as well. I mean, so people are having visions, they're having telepathic experiences. Obviously there's occupants. So Skinwalker Ranch really teaches us that, that UFOs is just a part of the phenomena. It's a part of a bigger reality that we get to see from time to time. Have you spent any nights at Skinwalker? Sure have. Yeah. Okay. What's happened to you personally?"
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"text": " to mean that I was aware of nothing. I just, you know, snuggled with a friend out of terror and fear. I mean, you know, there's there's nothing that I have as far as a positive. Oh, absolutely. He's a good big spoon. My buddy Matt Adams. No, you know, look, I've had only positive experiences at Skinwalker Ranch. I did just before you called me today. I did get a message from"
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"text": " Robbie Williams security head of security a guy named Neil and Robbie Williams is a is a pop star from England and he came with me to Skinwalker Ranch and me and George Knapp and his security guy Neil was also with us and Neil did claim to witness a very strange"
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"text": " a phenomenon, which was this, um, like a, like a shadow being, I guess you'd say it looked like a, a, a tall being follow me through the kitchen, a skinwalker ranch. Now I didn't see it. Yeah. Yeah. But I, I didn't see it. I never see anything like that. I would love to turn around and be like, yo, shadow person, tell me what's up. You know, I never see this kind of stuff, but he's dead fast that he did see it with another guy that was with, it was at the table. What he didn't know"
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"text": " is that in the Defense Intelligence Agency study, in this command center that we were in, that this shadow being phenomena had occurred twice before. He was not privy to that information. So if he was making something up, he could have made up anything and it wouldn't have rung a bell. That's what's so weird about the ranch."
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"text": " And he was seeing it live in person or was it filmed? Yeah, live in person. The thing apparently followed me right through the kitchen and I could see this look on his eyes and he told me about it and I have this like a six minute audio clip we're going in the car and he tells me about it and I recorded it. He didn't tell you right then? There's someone behind you or a shadow person? No, he said it's time to go. Interesting. And someone else saw it too, he said. Yeah, yeah, there was somebody else at the table that was able to"
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"text": " See, I miss everything, man. My back's always turned. I mean, look, in conclusion, we'll wrap this up with this, man. In conclusion, you don't have to take my word for it. UFOs are real and enough evidence is out there for you to understand that. If UFOs are real,"
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"text": " then that should make you so curious about what they represent, what alternate reality they represent. There's an uncharted territory, a mystery here that UFOs are a beacon for. But by studying UFOs and by really looking at the history of what's happened, the credible information, there is an alternate reality. There's a reality that is more expansive and bigger than what we know. And that's what's so exciting to me about the UFO topic."
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"text": " One day I hope to learn more about it and I hope to get closer to the truth. But right now I'm like you, I'm just hungry for answers. Jeremy, thank you so much. Do you happen to have, I know you got to go soon or even right now, do you happen to have 10 extra minutes because I have quite a few audience questions. We can just hammer them out. Yeah, sure. Let's do it. Great. Thank you so much. Okay. Rivulet says, I'm curious what he was like as a kid. If he knew he was going to be doing something of this nature, if he was intrigued by the abnormal, I suppose."
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"text": " Okay, then he also asks, and has his occupation ever gotten dangerous? For instance, threats from shady figures offered money to be quiet. What's the single"
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"text": " Best piece of evidence you've come across in studying the UFO phenomenon. That's the same question that I ask every single person that I first interview anytime I turn on the camera and I've never gotten a satisfactory answer. I certainly can't give you one. My best evidence that I have is my own personal experience and the people that have come forward to me who don't want fame or to be known and have told me a verifiable piece of information that I can't share with the public. For me, that's the coolest piece of evidence. Viewer Q says,"
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"text": " He wants to know that or she the three most influential slash perspective shifting books to you and why. Oh, man. Well, a story, the Plato's cave. Amazing. Three most influential, like the most, the absolute most. Oh, my gosh."
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"text": " What does Jeremy and Bob think about this while Bob's not here? No, I'm glad people ask and that's a nice way to ask things. People are so accusational. Man, people totally fucking misunderstood the point. So, okay, Close Encounters. This clip has now come out that the hand scanner was in it. Now I've watched that movie tons of times. Have you ever watched the movie? Okay."
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"text": " No, I don't know what this person's talking about or what you're talking about. That hand scanner was never publicly shown or talked about. It was not even on people's radar until after Bob Lazar, right? Also in the movie, they don't show what the scanner does, how it accesses the bone lengths and that kind of thing. The revelation of my movie was not that the hand scanner existed. And of course, remember things like close encounters. People are advising that movie"
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"text": " Military people are advising that movie. I know people who advise that movie. So it's no surprise that they would use a scanner that is used in the UFO programs in that movie, but they never expressly say it. Now Bob Lazar, we've all watched that movie. None of us thought about that. Everybody said Bob was crazy, but he said at site four, they use this scanner. It was really weird. It measured your bones. I have the audio and visual of him doing that to George Knapp."
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"text": " come to find out it was acknowledged it was acknowledged that these scanners were used at area 51 and area 52 this happened while i was filming the movie so when i got that image and i showed it to bob that is a genuine reaction he was like holy you know whatever he said holy you know this is the fucking scanner i never thought i'd see this again he didn't say all the f bombs and all that"
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"text": " So people like to say, because the scanner was in the movie Close Encounters, that Bob just made it up. Well, guess what? If he made it up, he's again the luckiest person on planet Earth because turns out we now know they were used at Area 51 and Area 52. How did Bob know? So you come back into the same problem if you want to shit on Bob and try to call him a liar. Well, he's the luckiest liar you ever met then. Okay, we'll get to the next one. Stephen Paul,"
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"text": " He says artist, filmmaker, dot, dot, dot. Ask him about sense making. How does he navigate through the chaos? Sense making? Yeah, let's skip that. And then he wants to know, ask if he's read Future Shock by Toffler. I have not. Is it good? I'm just, I'm just asking Stephen Paul's question. Okay. All right. Okay. Efron, did you have any problems with authorities when trying to film and what happened and how did you overcome them?"
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"text": " No, no problems. It was just the, you know, the recording of the conversation and the raid, but that didn't mess with me at all. Yeah. Okay. Efron again, do you think the government will ever expose aliens to the public as disclosure? No, not, not in like the big sense. Like aliens are here. We're going to tell you everything about them. It's too guarded a secret because of the potential for weaponization. Efron also asks, what's your advice to other documentary filmmakers attempting to create films regarding ET?"
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"text": " Do you have any information that hasn't been, let's say, disclosed or not known to the UFO community about it? I do, and I will be presenting that information when I can back it up thoroughly, but I do. There's a warehousing program that is very interesting. It's been quoted to me as a museum of paper, a location where there's a clearing house for all UFO-based content over the decades."
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"text": " Mike Wixson asks how much of our current technology is based on reverse engineering of technologies from other beings and if you could provide some examples if you know of any. Yeah that's debatable a lot of people have argued that there's you know a real famous book that deals with Colonel Corso's claims about how industry has been seeded with certain things like super capacitors or whatever so or what are they called whatever it is superconductors superconductors so"
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"text": " with these programs, which is a real problem for our sense of government. So there are individual corporations which have historically held on to these programs and they're not sharing information. Some of this might be retreading some of our interview, but I'm going to ask it again. Maybe you can give a compendious answer. Mike Wixson also asks if we've been visited by aliens since the beginning of time or at least since a long time ago."
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"text": " Which aliens are they? Where are they from? And are there more than one species visiting us? Actually, I would suspect that there's more than one species that's visiting. Again, if this is not some simulation reality, if the whole thing is not a simulation reality, then yeah, I'd suspect there's different beings that are visiting and the UFO phenomenon goes back to the beginning of recorded human history."
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"text": " Sajad asks, why are they always so clandestine in their abductions? And if they're directing our evolution, that means they effectively are the creators of religion. So how does this play into the greater picture? That's been claimed before, you know, that they've influenced our religion and politics and thoughts and I don't know, clandestine. I mean, if you're going to abduct somebody, you should probably be clandestine about it. I don't know. David Gibson asks, what fascinates him about aliens?"
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"text": " and that we're not alone. You know, just this concept that human beings are, you know, semi-intelligent beings predisposed to war, but that we might have other brothers and sisters and individuals out there, life forms with other forms of propulsion, other forms of technology, maybe other understandings of the universe, dreams for the future. That's"
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"text": " Powerful. That is what's most interesting to me. Okay, and just a couple more. Voyager UK 2002. Westfall UFO mass sighting in 1966 Melbourne, Australia, witnessed by over 200 school children. That's not even a question. It's just a point. Okay, do you have any comments on that? Look into the case. It's a great case. All right. Number two. Okay, it's another"
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"text": " It's another point like that. Phoenix lights. Okay. Number three, Travis, Travis Walton's abduction. Why does nobody talk about this anymore? Where are the loggers who were involved in this? It has a profound impact on them. They don't like each other, but they never changed their story regardless. That's true. Not everybody gets along. Just like with Bob Lazar. Look, not everybody gets along. They were surrounding Bob at the time, but they all agree on one thing. Everything happened exactly like Bob Lazar said."
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"text": " So same with the other case you just mentioned. Travis Walton? Yeah, Travis Walton. I brought him up earlier. I mean, it's an important case and people are talking about it. I mean, I don't know. If you want to hear more about it, someone should make a movie on him. Another movie. Voyager UK 2002. Perhaps you should make a documentary on it. There we go. There's a great one out about Travis. Jeremy, thank you so much. I appreciate it."
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"text": " Hey, man, I'm just so excited that you're interested in it. You know, there's a PhD level understanding of UFOs that needs to occur before you can even begin to have the right questions. But the initial reason why people are interested in this is because the implications"
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"text": " that something is greater in our reality, and we have been lied to. This has been hid from us that our governments have been implicit in hiding this information from us. That is huge. And so I think when someone gets interested in this concept, what I'd like to tell them is, you know, keep your mind open about it, keep an open mind, but don't let the marbles fall out your head."
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"text": " There's a big problem, it's called UFO disease. You start believing one thing, you believe anything. Keep your head on straight. Look at this rationally. Look at the mountain of evidence. Be skeptical, but don't become a debunker. We've already decided one way or the other. Have you seen the Skinwalker series? I don't remember who published it. History Channel maybe? Yeah, TV series, yeah. What do you think of it?"
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"text": " I actually haven't watched the whole series, but I think it's great that Brandon Fugal is allowing people to document what's going on. Look, it's TV. I've heard the criticisms that, you know, it's exaggerated for the TV show. You know, I don't know. There's a mystery at Skinwalker Ranch and that that mystery is alive and well, and it's worthy of scientific pursuit. The UFO topic is worthy of scientific pursuit. People like Neil deGrasse Tyson shouldn't make comments about"
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"text": " low-resolution photos when clearly he doesn't know what an AtFleer camera is, a targeting pod. People like that should hold this information to a higher standard. It is one of the greatest revelations that we could possibly have if it turns out it is true. Not only are we not alone in the universe, which you all suspect because it's mathematically probable, but additionally they are visiting here. That is the key point and if that's true then"
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"text": " That's going to speak volumes about our technology and why they're doing it. I'm super interested in talking to someone about the physics and getting into some of the details and some of the nitty gritty. Do you happen to know? Well, maybe Travis Taylor, someone I'm I don't know if you've heard of Travis Taylor."
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"text": " Yeah, I've heard of him. He's in that TV series. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I'm trying to think about who would be a good person. Obviously, I would recommend that everybody go look at my YouTube channel, which is just YouTube slash Jeremy Corbell. And there's a long version on there called the anatomy of a UFO."
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"text": " And that's where Bob Lazar describes the propulsion system itself, how gravity wave amplification works with the structure of the craft that he was able to have hands on with. I saw a video with him, but it was from maybe 30 years ago. Is this the one that you're referring to? Or is no, I filmed this with him. It's a 17 minute version of him explaining and drawing the UFO that he worked on, but explaining how the propulsion system works with the structure of the craft. Okay."
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"text": " Okay. All right. Well, all right. Thank you so much, man. I appreciate it. I'm a fan. So any of the haters, if you want to, you can hate on me as well, then I, yeah, I, I don't mind. Everybody can have an opinion, even wrong opinions people can have. Uh, but the idea is that the, the individual, it's, it's not the messenger. It's, it's the message. If you're interested in this at all, you know, try to move the ball forward rather than, you know, trying to suppress people that are trying to talk about this. Uh, you know, the, the comments,"
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"text": " Do you have ADHD? I was actually diagnosed with ADHD before it was kind of a very common thing when I was a kid and they put me on"
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"text": " Must've been like a Ritalin based drug and I took it for like a week and I, um, I felt horrible. Like I felt like my soul was ripped out of me and I was like 10. It was before it became so well known, you know? So yeah, I guess I do. I mean, stimulants make me kind of tired, like coffee and stuff. So, you know, I think I'm the same way. Yeah."
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"text": " Yeah. Stimulants have a paradoxical effect on me, unfortunately, because I would love, I would love, you know, many people say that they live by nootropics and amphetamines and so on. But anytime I've tried virtually anything, it hasn't helped. It maybe has made me worse. Almost nothing helps. Yeah. It's like the reverse. Yeah. It's like the reverse stuff. Yeah. I don't know. Everybody's, you know, got to figure out what works for them. But, uh, yeah."
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