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Listen to Invisible Choir every other week as we uncover the most haunting true crimes you've never heard of. Available wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Jean Chatsky. You may know me as the host of the Her Money podcast or the financial editor of NBC's Today Show for 25 years.
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Because I always pay. I never owe. You need to get this money. Right. Because I don't mind getting 15 grand taken. I can't have 50, 60 grand taken. In the drug world when you got girls, you got to flock. So we're going to the casino five nights a week. I'm picking up a girl or two or three. And I would tell the girls, if your friend comes, we're gonna have sex.
You ain't got an interview like this, bro. You ain't got no interview like this because you're gonna get the dirty. When you're a user and you get busted, you ain't got your head right yet, and you stumble and you make mistakes. I didn't make those mistakes. They take me to the room, set me down, and there's a recorder right there. They're kind of cocky too, right? Hey, listen to this. Guys, we're probably gonna testify against me anyway, so I might as well just tell on myself.
so you're preaching the choir i'm with you i hear you i'm gonna provide that's what i'm gonna do and i didn't get to spend as much time with my kids i missed a lot when angel was born it changed bro i'm not taking no women out i'm not getting involved with nothing until i get my son i'm getting involved with nothing
Hey, this is Matt Cox and I'm here with John Rodriguez. We're going to be hearing his crime story and also about his son. I appreciate you coming on. Thank you. Thank you. It's good to be here. So let's, you know, we've, we've, we've talked a little bit about, we've talked about the story and can you, let's just start, you know, start at the beginning, like where were you born, your family, parents, brothers, sisters? Okay, sure. Um, uh, I don't have any brothers or sisters. I'm an only child.
I was born in Castro Valley, California. My mom and dad were married for five years, got a divorce. And then me and my mom eventually moved to LA and my dad stayed in Hayward, Castro Valley area. So at that time I got to see my dad in the summer. I was probably second grade. Yeah, second grade. What did they do?
My dad worked for Pacbell, which is AT&T, which I don't know what it is now, but back then it was Pacbell where they fixed telephones, which they don't do anymore. You know, they did wire and all kinds of different things like that. And then my mom at the time was a stay at home mom. And then when we moved out here, she got into the nursing facilities and was a nurse and she worked in a convalescent home and she did medical records. Okay. And raised you.
and raise me up here in LA. And I saw my dad in the summers for about two months every summer from June to the end of August-ish. Right. Okay. Were you, I mean, were you like a good kid, bad kid? I never really got into trouble. Even in elementary school, no problems. We ended up moving to Whittier. So I was lucky enough to go
elementary to transition to junior high to high school all in the same. Like we all went together. I didn't move to different high schools and different, different things at that time. So, um, yeah. So we get to Whittier and we're living with my grandma because we're trying to get our feet together and get everything together. And then, um, we ended up renting a house next door. So I live right next door to my grandma, which I was very close with. So rest in peace. Uh, Charlotte, which my daughter, my daughters,
My daughter's middle name is after. So Olivia Charlotte Rodriguez after my grandma. You, you had said that like we were talking about your, your mom, like there was some issues with your mom. Yeah. So growing up, um, it's kind of pretty relevant now, but back then it wasn't, um, my mom was a cutter. Right. So, uh, from the age of as early as I can remember, probably five or six up until
25 probably 22. Um, I'd say she probably cut herself 25 times, went to the hospital six times. Um, so, and she was an alcoholic. So, but her alcoholism is a little bit different than what my dad's alcoholism was, but my mom wouldn't drink, you know, she'd go days and days and days and not drink. And then when she drank, she was getting drunk. There was no tipsy. There was no in between. She would get obliterated.
And I think my mom had some type of schizophrenic and stuff because back then we didn't know anything about it. But looking back now, like, yeah, that wasn't right. Right. So, you know, I'm six years old. My mom's cutting herself. She's on the couch drunk and I'm seeing blood. Right. I got problems. I got no one to turn to. I'm by myself. I'm selling the child. So I had to deal with that all my life until I was, I think she stopped at 25 and she was cutting, which we'll get into, but she was cutting herself.
Way before that, but I didn't know that until I was in my twenties when I found out, wait a minute, my dad knew she was a cutter. I didn't know that then. I was going to say like, it's like, um, I've, you know, obviously I've read a bunch of stories. Like there's a story about a guy named Frank Amadeo. Like he, he was hospitalized several times and like they couldn't, they couldn't quite understand that he had that, you know, like they didn't really know.
What bipolar was and he had features of schizophrenia so it's like you know I'm saying like mental illness back in like the 70s and 80s like people don't realize now you know like kids or younger people don't realize now that back in the 70s 80s you know they didn't talk about it they didn't admit to it it wasn't regularly diagnosed it wasn't taught that much so you know you just um you know you just have to suffer through it was a different time because I sit there and I've you know I as I got older I sat there and wondered like
Why didn't I go live with my dad? My mom's got problems. You know, I say this, like I wasn't raised, you know, I survived. Right. You know, and, um, which we'll get into probably periodically through this podcast was I'm not trying to be arrogant, you know, which we talked about. I'm just keeping it 100. I'm keeping it the truth. It is what it is. People can say whatever they want, but my looks was my medication.
I was fortunate to be very good looking my whole life and having girlfriends from probably 12 years old. I didn't need to do drugs. I didn't need to get in trouble. I wasn't a troublemaker because I had girls. And with that, what's my trouble? Yeah. That's your addiction. That's your retreat. Yeah. That was my comfort. You know, it's like, Hey, I know it's comfort for all men, but for me it was like,
I didn't need to do bad stuff. I didn't need to get in trouble because I had multiple girlfriends at 12, 13, 14. But once I hit 15, 16, it was over. I had car, a little bit of money, girls. There was, it was good times. Be a beast not riding your bike to their house. No, no, no, no, no, no. Meeting them at the mall. You had to call them because you didn't have a cell phone. Mom and dad. But once I hit 16 and got the car, it was all good.
It's all good. Right. Were you committing, were you doing anything like you weren't at 16, 17, you weren't, you were just going to high school, not like committing crimes? No crimes, going to high school, um, smoked a little weed when I was probably 14, which my best friend, Jim Federico, right? So he, he's the one which we'll get into later that, that had drug problems, right? But I go to my dad's house cause he's in San Francisco, right? Hey, we're, and I visit him and I'm like 13.
And I go there for the summer, like every summer. Yeah, probably 12 or 13. And our neighbors are smoking weed. I never smoked weed. But when I go there, I start smoking weed. I come back to LA, right? I'm like 13. And I tell my best friend, because he's a pretty straight shooter then, right? And I says, hey, dude, you got to try this stuff, man. It's amazing. And he starts smoking weed. And then he gets into other things later on in life.
I don't go, I don't really do any drugs later on in life, which we'll talk about, but that's where it kind of all started. Right. So you graduate, what happened? So you graduated high school? Did you? Yeah. So I graduated high school in 1985 when you're high. So interesting enough, my mom marries a guy who works for, um, a cardboard box factory where they make boxes. I forgot the name of it. It's city of industry. They'll probably pop it in my head sometime. And, uh, his name is George.
George Shipley. Anyhow, he's working in this Carbo Fox factory his whole life. This is what he does. He's making like 40 grand a year, 45 grand. We're living okay. We're living pretty good, actually. 45 grand a year in 1985. It's not bad, right? It's cool. So now I'm thinking, that's what I'm going to do because, you know, we were poor, me and my mom, when we were young, we're poor. So I just want to make money to survive and live a decent life. I'm not thinking,
living big. I'm not thinking going to college. I'm not thinking going to military. I'm thinking I'm going to make, I want to make a living. Yeah. But no, I'm maybe more than getting by, you know, cause we weren't getting by. We were doing pretty good, you know, 45 grand years, probably like 150 now. So it was pretty good. So I start working for core craft two days after I turn 18 because they won't hire me until I turn 18. Right. So I turn 18 in September and then, um, I start working there two days after.
And then I worked there for 17 years, grinding. It was a grind. I hated that place. 17 years daily waiting for the clock to get to, you know, whatever the end time was. So, yeah, I worked there for 17 years starting 1985. And I started at the bottom within probably three years. I'm making 18 bucks an hour.
That's 1987. I'm probably 87. I make 18 bucks an hour. It's not bad, right? It's like 30, 40 bucks. You know, and I'm, I'm 20, you know, and then I become, um, about 22, I become a working foreman. So now I'm in charge of about, and that's pretty young for a 22 year old guy, but you know, I moved up, I got a, which we'll get into more and more, but I have a very strong work ethic. I don't play. It's work. I work. So,
And then obviously they recognize that and I'm a bit of a perfectionist. So everything's got to be done right. And it's got to be done perfect or close to perfect or I got a problem, you know? So, um, yeah, I worked there. I'm 22. I'm supervising guys. I'm making 45 grand a year, 40 grand a year, 1988. Um, I become a supervisor then about three years later and I'm there for 17 years, grinding.
You know, which is what I try to teach my grandchildren now is, um, Jayden's about 12 and Juju's like eight. You need to go college. You need to learn trade. You need to learn something. You can't be grinding. Having a life that grinds, it's horrible. It's horrible. Right. And I lived it. That's what I would say I'm doing here, grinding and just grinding out podcasts. Yeah. I mean, it's just, um,
Did you get married? Did you? So yeah. Um, so being that I'm an only child now, we'll probably get into it later or sometime. I have a half brother and a half sister that live in Georgia. So my mom and dad divorced when I'm in elementary school. My mom never has any other kids and gets remarried when I'm like 15. My dad, on the other hand, he probably gets married. I'm probably nine. He probably gets married when I'm 12 to a lady and she's got two kids.
And, um, they ended up having two kids. So he has a daughter and he has a son, Victor daughter, Lucy and Victor five kids in that whole grouping. But I'm, I'm away, you know, I'm, I'm the visitor dude, like I'm the guy that comes on the summer, you know, and then I'm the guy that leaves in August. So they deal with me for two months, you know, not when I say deal with me, I'm not that I got into trouble, but I wasn't, I had an issue.
My issue when I was younger was my mom's an alcoholic. I got big problems. I got massive problems. I'm eight at nine. I don't got big problems. I got massive problems. But when I go to my dad's, and I had told this to Gail, sorry, I told this to Gail probably
Four or five years ago, I was a little jealous. I was very jealous. Who's Gail? Gail is my dad's second wife. Okay. Okay. So at this time, I don't know this, but through my therapy and stuff, I kind of realized that I kind of gave Gail issues. I did give Gail issues. Sorry, but I did not like anything major, but I wasn't the greatest kid, but I wasn't horrific. I was a bad kid to her specifically because I was jealous. She was a good woman. She is still a good woman. And, um,
I didn't have that. Right. You good? Yeah. It's okay. Take your time.
It was rough. Right. It's hard to explain. But when you're eight, and you're by yourself, and your mom's drunk, I used to use the word, I never even used the word drunk. I used the word obliterated. Right. Like, beyond drunk. And you're eight, you're by yourself. You know, and she's cutting her wrist. And it's like, it's different levels.
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It started with a scream inside a quiet Maryland home, a mother trying to protect the family dog and her son in the grip of a violent hallucinogenic rage. By the time it was over, she was dead, and he claimed LSD made him do it. His name, David Minor IV, and we talked to him. Listen to Invisible Choir every other week as we uncover the most haunting true crimes you've never heard of, available wherever you get your podcasts.
I recognize at the time, but I recognize it later, is you don't know when it's going to happen. Right. And you're nine. Is mom cutting her wrist tonight? Is she not? Is she going to talk to people that aren't there? Is she not? And I'm dealing with this and that's where it kind of got, I don't know if it was, it was just as bad as her cutting her wrist and taking her to the hospital to get stitches. Or if it was just as bad as being nine, not knowing if she was going to do it or not.
Your grandmother was next door. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So does she know what was going on? They all knew. My mom has a twin sister, rest in peace, Jackie, who's my godmother. They all knew, everybody knew, you know, and we go to the hospital, she gets stitched up. I mean, I don't remember all the days, but I remember this specifically because it just stands out. Super Bowl Sunday, the Rams are playing the Pittsburgh Steelers.
I'm thinking 79, somewhere in there, 80, 79, 78, somewhere in there when they play the Steelers. My mom cuts her wrist that night. So I gotta go run to my cousin's house where my cousin's at, Kathy, rest in peace. She's like a sister to me. I gotta run to her friend's house to tell her I got a problem. My mom's cut her wrist, you know, and my grandma probably wasn't home.
so they had to take her to the hospital that day but we probably when she goes to the hospital with her wrist cut do they like bake her actor you know like do they hold her for three days no they just stitch her up and say stitch her up brought her home and no one ever
came and said, uh, where's this guy kids? What are they doing? Where are they at? Let's interview him. Let's talk to him. No, they never did. It was a long time ago. Yeah. Um, yeah, it's a different world then. Well, well, and your debt, but your dad knows, but he's not, he's got his own, he's got his own family. Yeah. I kind of always felt, I don't want to say off the cuff, but I kind of felt somewhat out of place, but not like,
I didn't
He's got his issues, he's dealing, everybody's got issues, right? Everybody's dealing with stuff. So for us to sit here and say, bad person, you do this wrong, you do that wrong, everybody's dealing with stuff. You know, I dealt with some heavy stuff, but people aren't dealing with stuff we don't know about, you know? So I have, when it comes to mental health, I deal with it a little bit differently than I think most, because I realized what my mom had, maybe if she'd have been diagnosed,
But alcoholism, what is that going to do? AA, you can get help, there's support. People don't realize back in the 70s and 80s, there wasn't a huge amount of awareness and I think it was frowned upon. When my dad in the 70s went to the doctor,
and explain that he would drink and then he would basically drink until he couldn't stop drinking and it would go on for a week straight. He would miss work and then he'd wake up and get sober and wouldn't drink again for six months. The doctor said you're an alcoholic. He almost got into a fistfight with him.
He said, you're an alcoholic, you're a functioning, you're an alcoholic. He said, you're just not a functioning alcoholic. You don't go home every night and drink and you're okay the next morning. He's like, you drink too. And I forget what the term that they use, but you know, like you said, you know, he drinks till he basically blacks out. And then he's sober for weeks on end.
The term alcoholic was such a huge insult. My mom said literally they almost got into a fistfight in the middle of the patient room because my dad starts screaming at them, they start yelling at each other back and forth, you know, two grown men in the 70s, you know, they're ready to macho, you know, come to
um you know uh start fighting and and so yeah he uh yeah but i mean that's the whole thing like now if you said you're an alcoholic you might be like no no i you know it wouldn't be a fist fight yeah but back then it was so ground on right yeah right but back then the idea of it you're ready to start swinging yeah you know and my dad wasn't a fighter but i mean that's that's like this people don't even understand like if you're in your 30s now and you hear that you're like
Oh, didn't he understand it? That's a different world in the seventies and eighties than it is now. Nobody cared about your feelings back then. It was way different. It was just different. That's why it's just like she's going, she's cutting her wrist over and over again and they're not hospitalizing her. They're not sending out a social, a social worker to see how her child's doing. Like none of that existed. And if it did, like it would have to be horrific for them to actually come out and see you. The neighbors would have to be calling. You'd have to be being beaten in sight of everybody for them to come out.
They wouldn't even consider
Yeah, you're gonna do that now, but that was you know back then you you had to be nice to your neighbors like No, no, you don't touch. What about getting spankings in elementary school? Yeah back then you get you get a swat I never got a swat, but you get a swat. Oh, yeah elementary school Yeah, I was spanked. Yeah, let's paint multiple times. Do that now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, come on. Do that right now Your kid Johnny is in elementary school and he goes home and he tells his mom Hey the principal used a wooden stick and he spanked me for misbehaving. What happens now?
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Yeah, I was thinking my sister would scream at my dad and say, I'm going to call. Both my sisters and my brother were adopted. And then my mom went in for a hysterectomy and they found out she was pregnant with me. I think I heard that in one of the podcasts. But my sister, my one sister, she was a problem. She used to scream and she'd say, I'm going to go find my real parents. And my dad would say,
your real parents gave you up your real parents already decided they don't want you I mean just like you wouldn't say that to a kid now like that's brutal you know they are a or she say I'm gonna keep heat did she say you only adopted us you only adopted me so you'd have a slave
And he would say, and she'd go, I'm going to call social services. And he'd go, call them. Call them. Here's the phone. Go live in the projects. He said, you'll be begging to come back here. I mean, this is brutal. You wouldn't talk. You wouldn't say that now. Now people would be like, that's horrible. You can't talk to your child like that. You're doing so you're doing damage. It's emotionally damaging. Yeah, she was emotionally damaged anyway. So let me comment on what you said when you said you want me to send you back.
So I dealt with some big issues, but when I was about 12, when I was at my dad's house, because my mom would always tell me, you want to go live with your dad? You want to go live with your dad? And I'm like, no, I don't want to go live with my dad. And then when I was at my dad's house and I got, I didn't really get into trouble. And I think they're going to, when they see this podcast, I didn't get in trouble, but me and my step brother and sister, step brother, we got into some type of trouble. We were sent to our room. And then,
We made some noise in the room, probably fighting or whatever, and my dad comes in and he tells me, and I'm 12, and this is very traumatic for me, or my dad tells me, do you want to go live with your mom? Do you want me to send you back to your mom's? So now you've got a 12 year old kid who's
who's effed. I don't want to use the F word. He's thinking, I'm thinking of myself, not at that time. Cause I'm, I'm already emotionally damaged with my mom, but, and I'm a little damaged with my dad too, because I'm not going to have an outsider. Like I'm seeing this. I'm not stupid. I'm 12. You know, I'm kind of like the outsider guy on, you know, the guy that comes for two months. But when your dad tells you, you want me to send you back to your mom's and your mom tells you, you want to go live with your dad. Now I'm thinking no one wants me. Right. But I didn't think it exactly at that time, but I know it was in me at that time.
You know, I, cause I did a lot of therapy, you know, and I started piecing things together later in life in my twenties. But, um, having that being said to me at 12 and I'm not a bad kid. I'm not getting into trouble. I never got suspended from school. I never, I had one meeting in high school with the, with the, with one of the teachers and auto shop teacher, but I never got suspended. I never got in any trouble. So I was a pretty good kid.
So once he says that, then I'm just like, no. And then I stood. But like I said, as I got older, because it was rough until 12, super rough. I had no outlet. I had no getaway. I had no comfort. I guess for me, comfort would have been sports. I watched a lot of sports. I still do. 95% of what I watch is sports or sports talk.
so i just that was i guess my medication at that time was sports okay but um... like i said when we when i was telling you earlier or we talked earlier once i hit thirteen fourteen i hit my stride right like i'm hitting my stride so i'm good i'm not good with uh... with what's going on with my mom because it's still going on but now i can't be hit or beaten right because now i can hold myself rob is gonna say now you're you're uh...
A 35 year old woman is not going to be able to control a 15 year old boy. Right. There's just, it's too, they're just too strong. They're too big. They're too, it's just not going to happen. Yeah. I stopped getting beat at 12. Right. Probably 10 or 12. Yeah. Probably 12. So when do you, you eventually you graduate, I'm assuming you high school, you start working at the, the, um,
I worked at a corrugated sheet factory. So step one, corrugated sheets. Step one would be getting the paper. Step two would be making it into corrugated sheets. Step three is where my stepdad worked. He made the boxes. We made the sheets. At a totally separate place. But it was, it paid more money where I lived, where I worked. So he got me the job there.
And then you said you met your wife, you got married. Yeah, I met my wife Lucy and we had three kids. I was 21 when we had our first kid, Johnny. I bought my first house when I was 21. I was young. Yeah, yeah. I bought it in Asperia. It was on an acre because I didn't have a dad. I had a dad. Sorry, I don't want to disrespect my dad.
I want to say I didn't have a dad. I have a dad influence, big influence. I'll just say this. He wasn't a big, he was very little influence in my life. Right. Okay. But he loved me. So I got nothing bad to say and I take care of him now, which we'll get into. Uh, but yeah, I got nothing bad to say. I bought a house in Asperia. Okay. And, um, it was on an acre, four bedroom, 1800 square foot, one story house. I married a woman who's got three kids. Okay. Peter, Joe rest in peace and Mike.
And he's, Pete, her son is about 12 years younger than me. So I'm 21, she's 28. So we get together. We have three kids. We're living in Esperia for about five years. I'm working at CoreCraft. I'm moving up. By the time we're, you know, I'm 25, 24, I'm a supervisor. So we're living a, we're living a middle-class life. You know, we're taking a little vacations here and there. We've got to go house.
We ended up moving from there, bought another house in West Covina in a better area. And that was all good until, until we transitioned into us having problems and me seeing my best friend again, cause me and my best friend, Jim, we were always kind of in and out. He went to the army, he comes back. He goes off living around me, but we're not really contacting each other. And then then we get into contact and then,
Then when me and my ex wife have problems and we're, we're, we're getting a divorce. It's, it wasn't said then, but we're getting a divorce. I'm like, you know, it's coming. It's coming. It's 19 year 2000, probably 1999. It's coming. I'm leaving on the weekends. I'm going to his house. I'm getting away because we're getting a divorce. I'm out. Uh, we're done. It's just time. So that's when it goes, it's, it goes out.
It doesn't go south real quick, but it goes south because, um, he's, he's dealing meth, right? He's, he's drug addict then. Did you know that moving into the place? I didn't move in. I just went there on the weekends. Okay. Okay. Cause I worked core craft, you know, right? So I'm there, I'm the straight shooter, but I see now, now I'm seeing, I'm seeing a whole different world now because everything changes once, uh,
Once I see him and see what he's doing, then that's where the whole true crime story comes in. So is he making good money or he's just a regular dealer? He's a user, he's getting by. He's not selling anything big. Just enough to keep himself in? Keep him going, keep afloat, go to a casino, things like that.
He's not making good money, but he's making enough to get by, support his habit and get by. Um, so yeah, so when I go there, I'm seeing all kinds of different people coming into his house, you know, and, uh, I'm the straight shooter guy and they think I'm a cop. Like, they're like, Hey, is this guy a cop? He doesn't use, you know, why is he here? And he's like, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. He's, I've known this guy since we were 12. Like we've been best friends since 12. No, this is, this is my dude. Like he's good. So,
Um, yeah, we're doing that. I'm going there. Maybe me and my wife eventually get a divorce and then I start seeing a girl that's a user. Okay. And, uh, I don't want to mention it, but then I started seeing a girl that's a user and, um, she's slanging a little bit on the side. My buddy's slanging a little bit on the side, but I'm not slanging anything. And then, um,
Eventually it starts, you know. Well, you're still working, right? I'm still working. Um, I had back surgery, uh, probably four years before I ended up leaving core craft. Um, but I hurt my back again and I couldn't work. So at that time, when I'm going to his house on the weekends, it's probably, you know, six months later, I hurt my back again and I don't need surgery, but it hurt my back. And then, uh, I never went back to core craft again. I just left. I went on a disability,
And that lasted about a year. And then after that, I was, I was slanging then. So after that, I never went back to core craft. Okay. So now you're, you're like, where are you at? Where are you guys getting meth from? Well, he's getting it from his connect, which I ended up being his connect. Okay. So he's getting his thing, but I'm kind of seeing how everything's going here, you know, and my best friend gives me, um, one of his people to sell to.
So that's how it all started with like little quarter ounce stuff, eight balls, things like that. And then from him, I picked up another one and then I picked up another one and then I picked up another one. And then, um, I'm just basically selling eight balls, right? Um, teeners, half teeners, you know, nothing quarter, quarter ounce was probably big, you know, but that's all I was just dealing with small users. But with,
with us Latinos, right? We make the shit. Right. So I ended up meeting another, uh, Mexican dude. Now this, this because we're Rasa, right? Like we're, we, we're taking care of each other a little bit. I have a little relationship with him and he's bringing me stuff and, and he, they all know I'm not a user and I'm paying, right? I don't owe nobody nothing. I never do.
You know, I get it and they bring it, they get paid or they front me a little bit, front me a lot a bit, boom, boom, boom, get paid. But what I did, how, how everything grew for me, selling the drugs, how it really, I don't want to use the word blossomed because that's not a good word, but how it boomed was I figured out if I buy a quarter pound from the homie, right? I could sell it to the white dude.
and not make any money. So I buy a quarter pound, let's just say, it's probably about, you could buy it. I could, I could buy it back then. You could buy an ounce for like, I want to say 700 bucks. Right. Okay. This is 19 or this is 2001. Um, you could buy a quarter quarter ounce for about 700 bucks. I would buy a quarter pound from him and then I would
sell it for the same price to this dude, but I would get the price of a quarter pound, right? Okay. So I'm making no money here, but because I'm buying a quarter pound, I'm getting a discount right on, on the ounce. So I take, and I buy two ounces more say as an example. So I'm buying six ounces. I'm selling this guy a quarter, four of the six,
But now I'm getting the $600 price. I'm not paying or 550 price because I bought six of them. Right. I'm making no money with him, but now I'm getting my ounces at $550. Right. Right. So now I'm taking those two ounces. This guy's coming almost every day to my house. This guy's buying almost every day because even though this dude is in the game much longer and he's a much bigger dealer than I am. Right.
He's not getting my price. Right. Because he's not Rasa. He's not getting my price. Okay. I'm not saying that's the way it is for everyone. I'm just saying that's the way it was for me in my situation. Right. Okay. So, and also the guys that are bringing me this stuff, they're not dealing with the bullshit because I'm not a user. I'm not telling them a story on why I can't pay and how this time I'll pay him more next time and I'll catch up and blah, blah, blah. No, no, no, no.
You brought it, I paid, he paid, boom. I'd have this guy come over in 45 minutes or something to come pick up his part and then I'd take my part and be with it come the next day. Buy another six, boom. Buy another eight, eventually buy another pound. This guy's buying a half pound, I'm buying a pound and I'm selling ounces now and I'm selling quarter pounds now and I'm selling this and that and now I'm starting to make some money. Now I'm
I don't know what a lot of money is because in the feds, when you go to the feds, you're like, dude, you were selling shit. You know, you think, oh yeah, I'm selling pounds. You're a small time, you know. Well, you got guys sitting at the table who were shipping in, you know, 2,000 pounds sitting right next to another guy that
is doing the same amount of time for bringing a gun to a $10 crack deal. And you're like, this is insane. Like it's, you know, you got, you're basically street level dealers sitting next to guys that are smuggling thousands of pounds of whatever meth or Coke or whatever. So yeah, it's, it's, you go in the feds, it's insane. So every, it's, it's, it's all relative. Like to me, are you just making your bills or are you making more? You know, is it, are you making 8,000 month? Are you making,
20,000 a month? Or 20,000 a week? Yeah, what's the best week or month you think you had? Are you asking me that question? Oh. I'm going to go with, because it's fluctuated, but oh.
I can make 50 grand a month. On average then, I would say I was 10,000 a week. I was making 10 G's a week. When I was busted, I was probably making 14,000 a week. So you have a good month where you make 50, you have a bad month you make 30, whatever. So you're not living with your buddy, you're not living at home. No, no, no, no, no, no. But on the road, so there's like a road, right?
I'm look kids out there, don't sell drugs. Right. It's a mess. It's a train wreck. It's a horrible life. It's a no good life. And I'm only telling a story. Okay. This is the story. Right. I may have emotion. I may smile and this guy don't really, I care. Yeah. Don't sell drugs.
Don't get involved. You're going to throw your life away. You're going to get yourself killed. You're going to get in big trouble. Matt, I'm just telling you a story, bro. I'll just tell you how it was. Okay. I'm not fluffing it up because I could have said, oh yeah, I was making 45,000 a week, dude. Yeah. And how would you know I was or wasn't? Yeah. You know, but I made 14 grand, about 12, 14, 15 grand a week. Right. But
In the, in the drug world, it's different world. Okay. See you, you did your crime with a white collar way. You, you again, I'm going to say it just this last time. Don't commit crimes. Don't sell drugs. I'm just saying what it is. You guys can take it for what it is, what it's worth. Right. If, if, if you're going to commit a crime, if you're going to commit a crime,
Do it by yourself. Right. Find a crime. Don't find a crime. Right. But if you were, if you had to, if you had to do a crime, okay. Keep your co-defendants. You don't have co-defendants. Forget the word co-defendant. Co-defendant doesn't exist. It's not in your mind. There is no co-defendant. Got it. Okay. Do it all by yourself. Like you did.
I sometimes.
You could live a good life, Matt, making 20 grand a week, bro. Yeah. It could live a smooth life, right? But no, that's not what Matt did. No, Matt, Matt went a little bigger, but, but we're not here for that. I've heard your podcast. I've heard you on the podcast. That's why I'm here. Cause you're cool dude, right? You're a cool dude. Um, you got good energy and we got good energy, you know, and I was like, man, we're gonna make good podcasts. And that's why I called you. But, um, if you just think, if you would have just did your shit small time,
make 10, 15 grand a week. Didn't tell your girl. Yeah, I try. Listen, I tried. I'm an real estate agent. I try not to think about it all the time. I'm a middle man. Just rewind. If you could have just said, Hey, look, check this out. I sell real estate, but I'm just the middle man. Okay. I don't get involved. I take house for sale, the seller, and I take the buyer and I find the buyer and I get a cut. That's what I do. You'd have been doing that for how long? No one would have known shit.
You're smart. You're very smart.
Big mistakes with your case. And I'm sitting there watching your story and I'm like, and I'm here and I'm like, Oh, I know this dude. Cause I met you in Atwater where I was at. I didn't meet you, but I met guys like you. You're slick. You try to be slick, right?
Right? You slick. You know what's up? What? You know how to play. You'd think. See, you'd think you know how to play the game with the Feds. At least in the beginning. Am I right? And I'm like, Downey, you didn't know. Yeah. So I didn't get bail. So I learned the game. Yeah. Okay. I didn't get bail. Then you should have known. Like, dude, you better roll over, bro. You better roll over. I did roll over. You got too much time. You got too much time. You didn't roll over. Right.
You didn't roll over, right, bro? I thought I did. I wasn't in a good position. When you went to county, when you were in the county, you were in the county, right? The US Marshals Holdover, yeah, in the county. I was in the county, county. I never went to the Fed, county-ish, whatever you guys call it. I never went there. But you guys are in, maybe you stood yourself too much back then. You're in a special pod. Yeah, but you didn't talk to enough people, because you didn't talk to enough people that I told you,
Let me tell you what you need to do. Cause that's what happened to me. Okay. But we'll get into that later because, um, don't play bro. I know. So go up. So you're, you're selling drugs. How long does this go on? Oh, probably four years, right? Four years. But we'll get back to where I was in the beginning ish is once you're, once people know what you're doing, what you're doing, it's kind of like,
What we're talking about with the chimpanzees on Netflix, there's the leader of the pack. Well, I'm the leader of my pack. Right. People are either walking towards you or walking away from you. Oh, they're not walking away, bro. No. No. See, because you don't know the drug world. I know you've probably interviewed dudes, right? But I know what's up. Look, I've been there. I know the game. I don't know everything, everything.
Because you say, Oh, you know everything. And I could say that, like, I know everything, but I know everything, bro. When it comes to the smaller dealers of pounds, I don't know the game of big time people, but I know how the, how the small game work. No one runs away when you got a half pound at home. Right. And they're feeding and they need to use and
No, they're not. They're not walking away. Well, everybody's coming. What I meant was that like in fraud, like when it got to be known in in Tampa that I was committing fraud on a regular basis, then you have your legitimate straight shooter friends or colleagues that walk the other way when they see you. Okay. And then you have guys that know they may need something or want to get in on whatever you're doing there. They're now they're now they're your buddy.
Hey, bro, let's go to lunch. Hey, man, there's a party next Friday. You want to come in? Suddenly it's like, well, you never hung out before. But now you find out that I'm regularly committing fraud and you need something. So now we're buddies. Now you start. Now everybody's cozying up to you. They want to be in your circle. Even if they don't need anything right then, people are smart. They know I may need you. So I'm going to now I'm going to invite you to all the parties. We're going to hang out. I'm saying all good things about you. It's.
Yeah. So that's what I mean is it, but your legitimate guys are like, yo, don't deal with that guy. Well, the thing is it's a little different in the drug world. There, there is no, don't deal with that guy. Right. That guy's got the jewels and, and you need those jewels. That guy's, that guy's got what you need. You ain't walking away. So my empire is growing. Right. I got a good name because I always pay.
I never owe. Okay. Um, and I would tell the guys that, um, not even the guy that I got caught up with, cause he comes two years down the road, but the guys that I'm dealing with here in my little empire, um, I'm always on time. I tell him because I didn't want to get robbed with 50 grand at my house. Right. Cause then I'm screwed.
Because not only did I get robbed 50 grand, I still owe him 50 grand. What's going to happen? It's all good until you don't pay, right? It's all good. Everything's great until you tell me, dude, I got robbed. Well, now this is what we're going to do. So, um, I would tell him, come over, dude, you need to come over. You need to come over now. You need to get this money, right? Cause I don't mind getting 15 grand taken. I can't have 50, 60 grand taken and they come over to collect, you know? Um, and then, um, eventually,
I'm not really dealing with eight balls and I'm not dealing with that anymore. I'm not dealing with teenagers. I'm not dealing with, after about a year and a half, I'm no longer dealing with the only quote user. Yeah. You're a distributor. Now you just distributed. Now I'm distributing to the, to the people selling. Right to that. All right. To the deal. No one's calling me and saying, uh, Hey man, can I grab an eight ball? I'm like, dude, you got the wrong guy, bro. Right. You know, I'm now I'm pretty much, I'm just selling,
quarter pounds, quarter pounds, two ounces, half pounds, things like that. Two years in and two years in I have, um, you know, it's, it's kind of like I say, you know, like, um, like if you're a rock star, right? You're, you know, you're a rock star. You walk into the room, everyone wants to be around you. Everybody's your friend. All the girls are coming. It's the same thing in the drug world. Everybody's coming. All the girls are coming.
Um, I've kind of thought about this and said, this is like, if you have a boyfriend or a girlfriend and you're a drug user, you don't have a boyfriend or a girlfriend, right? You think you do. You're in some type of relationship with a boy and girl, girl and boy, whatever, but there is no boyfriend, girlfriend in the drug world because they're all doing stuff. Everyone I knew then, you know, you know, and if you're gone, the next girl finds another one, you know, replaceable. So,
That's kind of what I'm doing. I got my own place. We're, we're a year and a half in and I meet this girl, Jennifer, right? Jennifer ends up being the baby's mama to the son. Now the focus of the story is on, but she ends up, I ended up getting her pregnant. But mind you, you know, up until I was selling drugs, I'm a straight shooter, right? Like I'm just a regular dude.
I'm working, but when a year in of selling drugs, now I'm getting all kinds of girls. When I talked in high school about having girls, I got girls. In the drug world when you got girls, you got a flock. It ain't one or two. I know how these guys are, but you got a flock of 20. You got 20 girls. You can call at any time.
We're going to the casino tonight. Okay. And between going to the casino, and I told my wife, I don't want to embarrass her, right? Because my wife's a very straight shooter, straighter than I ever was. But this is what is the truth. I'm on the podcast.
I'm going to hold some stuff back because it would really embarrass my wife. Right. If I said, you don't know your wife then you know, you didn't know her then I didn't know her then. Right. So old stuff again against me that would you, I didn't even know you. Well, let's put it this way. This is kind of how it went down. So we're going to the casino five nights a week. I'm picking up a girl or two or three and I'm bringing a friend with me and it's cool. We're going to the casino and I would tell the girls, Hey man, my friend wants to come. That's okay.
here's the deal if your friend comes we're gonna have sex okay because if we're not all right dude I'm lying that's not how I said it I'm gonna tell you what it is I'm lying if your girl that comes isn't gonna give me a blowjob right she ain't coming why am I gonna take her to the casino right why if we're not gonna do something sexually
Why is she coming? I got three of you. You're not riding for free. You're not coming here enjoying the night and thinking you're going home. You're gonna come and
We're gonna do things. But not forcefully. But they know the game. All the girls know the game. Let's don't play stupid, okay? Let's don't play dumb. You all know the game. You all know what's up. There's no, oh I didn't know. You knew. Everybody knows. I'm telling you beforehand. Don't ring her. Let her know. Because she ain't coming. I don't need her around. I got three of you. The fourth one, does it matter or not? I don't know. Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't.
So what does the chicks say? What do they say? No, no, no, no, no, no. See, that's the drug. I know you've interviewed people, but you ain't got an interview like this, bro. You ain't got no interview like this because you're going to get the dirty, you know, you're going to get, you're going to get the info. Oh no, dude, you don't.
It's like, I don't know what's the word, you know the word where you, it's just said, like it's said with no words. But they knew the words, like I would tell them, don't bring your friend. Or I'd say, hey, bring that girl, I want to get with her. And then they'd come or not come, whatever. So we all get taken care of, you know, and it's just the way it was.
It's just the way it was, man. It's just people helping people. Yeah, they needed something. I needed something. We all had fun, right? It was fun. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. Symbiotic relationship, right? Like everybody's getting something. It's kind of like the 70s, bro, like a free world. It's a free world, but you got to have the dope. Right. And the girls need the dope. So they're coming. Yeah. Okay. And I'm not a bad looking guy. So it's not like they got to get with some dude. Cause I've seen it where you're like, Oh, you know, I've seen some tour bag dudes, but they got girls.
They got girls cuz if you got the bag you got the girls and I'm gonna tell you something too about the girls all the girls They're not 10s But they're not threes either They're all sixes and sevens, bro. They're slick. They're they use drugs bro. They're skinny man, right, right? They ain't got no obese people, you know very few that are
are using. So they're all 25, 22, 28, you know, 110 pounds, 115 pounds, you know, and they want to have a good time, right? I want to have a good time. So that's what we did. And we did that for two or three years. And Jennifer was the one that I got pregnant. And in the rest of the story enough, you'll love this because your podcast, I know,
It's the truth, man. I'm not telling you lies, bro. So Jennifer gets pregnant, right? And about two or three months later, she kind of goes her own way. You know, she's I'm doing my whatever she goes her own way. But she's around. But I don't see her. She's around. And then seven months later, I get the call. She's already had the baby.
Because I think this is speculation when I say when I tell you I don't want to lie. I'm not lying. I'm given what I think is honest. I don't think she knew who was the dad 100%. Okay. So once I saw Angel two days after he was born, it's like, that's my boy.
You know, um, and she had, when she had him, she stood with her grandma Kathy and I really liked, I really, I loved Kathy. I loved her. She took care of Angel. She adored him. She's passed away now probably about five, six years. She did not, she did not love Angel. She adored him, you know, and she had other grandkids, but there was something about Angel that she just took to and they, um,
After after the she had the baby she was in Hollywood and Living with her mom and then I would go see my son and then um, I told my mom yet Right. I told my mom shit that you've got a kid. I ain't told her yet, you know, I gotta go see him first I gotta see what's up. I don't know So I go see him and it's mine and I still ain't told my mom yet and I told I told Jennifer I
I'm going to take him like three or four days after he's five days after he's born. Not long. And I take them to my mom's, right? But I'm living like this crazy world, dude, where I'm not thinking straight either. Um, I should have told my mom, you know, Hey man, I got it. You got a grandson and I brought him, but that's not how I did it. So I got them all waddled up and I go to my mom's house and I tell my mom, I got a surprise for you. It's a surprise. And
I'm not saying it was right. I'm just saying that's how I did it, man. It's just different. My mind's not right. I'm living a rock star. When you're a rock star, bro, you don't think about other people. You're like, I'm a man, you know? Once you get to the Fed, you realize like, dude, I was a guppy, but at the time I'm the man, right? Yeah. And I, she closed her eyes and I put my son Angel on her stomach and she opens her, or probably not on her stomach, but close to her stomach.
And she opens her eyes and says, hey, this is your grandson. And she starts crying, bro. She's like, no, you're kidding. No, no, no. And it's true. No, no, no, he's mine. He's mine. And then, you know, she's shocked. I got my other kids with me. And yeah, she's shocked and she ends up taking care of him a little bit for me, you know, when in the beginning. So after that, you know, I take him back and now,
I worked hard all my life, bro. I worked in a warehouse, man, 17 years. I grew up without a father. Um, I was, I was kind of poor as a child, not a lot of money. And, and I wanted, we're not going without bro. Okay. I work hard. My dad had 10 brothers. My uncle Leo was like the shock collar mafia boss. He's the oldest guy. I didn't know him well. Um, he said, you gotta work, man.
Like don't go get you no job. This is 81, 14. Don't get you no job behind the desk. You need to go work. They all worked the fields, bro. Oh my God. They all worked the fields when they were young, busted their ass. And I've always been a worker because I didn't want to be poor, but I made track. I don't want to use the word track. I made bad mistake because I missed out a lot on my kids, Johnny, Frank, and Olivia. I missed out on a lot because I worked a lot.
You know, I started selling drugs when my son was probably, my oldest was 13. And then Frank was 12, Lydia's nine. Something like that. What does their mother think you're doing at this point? She knows you don't work at the factory. Oh, she knows, bro. Okay. She knows. I'm not going to go into it, but I'm going to say this. She knows. Okay. Her crimey, my crime, her crimey, my crimey,
Was her middle child. Joe. She knew. So Joe was my driver. Her crimey? My crimey. I said my mistake. What's a crimey? Well, we got into a conspiracy, so he was part of my conspiracy, my stepson. He's my crimey. We did dirt together. Oh. You didn't use that in the fed? No, you're like your codiphant. No. Codiphant. Okay. You ever heard of crimey? No. Now you know.
Okay. So she knew. Right. But there was no, she knew I didn't use drugs. Right. Right. So I was giving her money. She took care of my kids. I took care of my kids, you know. But back to what I was saying, I just worked a lot because I didn't have a dad in my life. I needed my, I need to provide for my family. I do that today, which we'll get into. Provide for my family. I'm working hard. I'm living in Asperia.
And I'm, and I know you don't know aspera, but I'll tell you, I'm living in aspera because I bought my house is, um, the outskirts of inland empire and I'm working 75 miles away. Right. So I'm driving 150 miles a day to go to work and I'm working 10, 12 hours a day in this warehouse. At least I did for five years while they were little, little, and, um, but I had to provide for my family. And then we moved back down closer to where I worked, but I missed out a lot. And I regret that because I was too focused on work.
Because my thought process then was my wife's going to stay at home. She worked part time. She's going to stay at home. She's going to be take care of kids. I'm going to provide. That's what I'm going to do. And I didn't get to spend as much time with my kids. I missed a lot. When Angel was born, it changed.
It changed, because now I'm going to be a part of his life, that I wasn't with my other three. I was a part of their life. Yeah, yeah, you're going to put more, I understand. You know, because I'm going to keep it 100. When we got a divorce, when me and my wife got a divorce, my kids
Wanted to go with their mom. Cool. It is what it is, right? Obviously it hurt me, right? They came with me. They were with me like half the time until I started slanging, slanging. Then me and my ex-wife, we lived within a mile and a half. Because where they moved, I kind of moved so I could be around them. But when Angel was born, it's different. When Angel was born, I was 19, say 20, say 20.
35. Right. He's 30. I'm 34 and my youngest daughter at the time is like 13. So I didn't think I was going to have another one. So boom, he's here and I'm taking care of him and I'm doing my thing and he comes to my house on the weekends and I have one of my girls. I had, okay,
I had two girlfriends, two what I would consider girlfriends, but in the drug game, they weren't girlfriends. But at the time, they're girlfriends. They're as close as you're going to get. They're as close as we're going to get. I don't want to say their names because I don't want to put it out there. Because they're both congressmen now. They're identical twins. Okay. They're identical twins. Like I could tell them apart. You couldn't. You'd see them. You wouldn't know.
And they were staying with me. And they were both my girls. And I had other girls. I had other mini girls. But they were my main girls. And they would help take care of my son. Now, when he's at that time, now in my mind I'm a big dealer, right? But I'm home often.
Because I got runners, I got people delivering, you know, there's no drugs at my house. There's never any drugs in my house. There might be one when I buy, but there's no drugs in my house. Right. There's never drugs in my house. That's like what it was. There was a lawyer, not a federal lawyer. This guy ended up being a jerk. Anyway, he tells me, cause they're all corrupt, bro. Even straight shooters are corrupt.
Lawyers are corrupt. No. Stop it. But I don't know this dude. I don't know this man. He tells me, and mind you, he's not a federal lawyer. He's a, what do you call him? A state lawyer. A state lawyer for drug dealers and whatever, right? I always loved the state lawyers. This is a common scam with state lawyers.
The state lawyers will come in, you'll get arrested. They know your charges are going to go federal.
They already know it, like he got caught with this much or he's got this many co-defendants. We already know the feds are involved. We know the state caught him. It's a conspiracy. We know it's a task force. The feds are involved. We know he got arrested by the locals, but they already know it's going to go federal. And they'll come in. You'll go to them and you'll say, hey, you represented my buddy Jimmy or me. You represented me on the last charge. And they'll say, listen, I'll represent you. It's $20,000. But if it goes federal, you'll have to get another lawyer.
and you think oh it's not gonna go federal because you don't know you've been arrested twice or your buddies have been arrested nobody's gone to fed prison yet right right your small time right you think you're small time you don't realize well you've got 30 conspirators and the feds were involved in the dea was involved in but you're thinking you don't realize that means so they always say so look if it's state right like how much you get caught okay you didn't get caught with with tons or anything no
I did they only got me with like half a pound you're like, okay, it's probably not gonna go federal So I'll represent you 20,000 down and but if it goes federal, of course, I can't do anything Like I'll have to do it has to get a federal defense attorney and they immediately you say okay. Yeah Nobody's not gonna go federal will never go federal fine. It's fine. They already know there's a 95% it's going federal. So what do they do? That's just a cash grab. I can keep the 20 that 20s gone We'll give me 20 back. No, no, you signed this paper saying you don't get the 20 grant the 20 back. Oh
If you're a big enough dealer, 20 grand isn't nothing anyway. So you just give him 20 grand because he says he's going to help you. But they're all leeches anyway, anywhere from the bottom of the user that wants $10 worth up into the high time
Attorney. Yeah. They're all leeches. You're a money bag for everyone, right? Right. Where does the lawyer think you're getting that money anyway? Where does he think some guy who just got arrested for drugs? This dude knew what I was doing. He knew what I was doing. They all know. They know it's drug money or they know it's fraud money. They know it's something. No, he knew it was drug money because he told me because I don't even want to mention his name. He's dead now. Anyhow, he told me if they never caught me with anything, I would never go to jail. What an idiot.
That's just dumb. That's what he told me. Yeah. So now in my mind, I'm like, I'm cool because now I don't never have anything at my house. And this is what I'm thinking when I finally get busted, which we'll get into later. But this is what I'm thinking when I got busted. They got shit on me, man. Yeah. But the feds, they don't have to have it on you, bro.
There doesn't have to, nobody really, I've seen cases where nobody got caught with anything. But they start rolling over on each other. What are you going to do? I'm going to go to jail and three guys are going to fucking testify against me and I wasn't caught with anything. They weren't caught with anything, but they're all going to roll over on me and there's no drugs in evidence anywhere. Maybe a small amount somewhere and they're charging you with fucking 10 kilos and you're like, there's no drugs.
I wasn't caught. They weren't caught. Some other guy was caught. They add the shit up. You know, they add the shit up. How long you been doing this? Ten years. Yeah, we got 150 pounds. You can get up to 88 years and blah, blah, blah. So yeah, so yeah. Ghost dope. This is where not getting, which we'll get into, not getting bail helped me tremendously. Right. But not getting bail when I didn't get bail,
I'm thinking I'm screwed. I'm screwed. Like, come on, man. Dad, help me out here, dude. But mind you, when I tell you in the story, my dad had 10 brothers. He was number nine, second to the youngest, and they were all fruit pickers in central California. Right. Let's get, let's go back to, let's go, we're jumping all over. Let's go back to the two girlfriends are taking care of Angel.
The two girlfriends are taking care of Angel. Okay. Okay. So he, months are going by a little few months and I'm on my way to pick up Angel one night and I get this phone call from my aunt, Sharon. She rest in peace. My mom's half sister and she said, um, your mom's in the hospital. You need to go.
Like it's a big problem. I don't remember exactly what she said, but did you immediately think it was cutting or just no, because that cutting I said kind of ended about 25 ish wasn't like that. And to be honest with you at that time, I didn't think it was suicidal at all. Okay. It didn't enter my mind suicide. I think she said, I think she said she might've had a heart attack. Okay. So I remember I'm on my way to go get angel in Hollywood and my mom lives in Anaheim, which is
She's on a ventilator. And I open the door and I'm like, Oh shit.
You didn't know that was coming? No. And it's a fucking problem, dude. Sorry. It's a problem. And the doctor comes in and checks her pupils and said something about they're not dilated or something. And he's like, yeah, bro.
She's not going to make it. This is a massive heart attack. We're thinking at the time that she had the heart attack at home and by the time they got there, it was a problem. And she passed away that night. Um, I had Angel. So they went and got told my ex-wife, if she could go get Angel, cause we're kind of cool, right? And she's married too. And, um, she goes and gets Angel.
All my kids are there in the room and we're going to pull the plug. My son, Angel's there. My aunt's there. My mama has a twin sister. My aunt Jackie's there. We pull the plug and, um, my mom passed away and we say our goodbyes. And, um, just, just to tell people, this is what happened to me. I'm not saying that's the way it is for everyone, but when they said my mom,
When I said our goodbyes, me and my godmother, my mom's twin sister Jackie, said our goodbyes to my mom, there was a little tear that I saw come out of my mom's eye. And we pulled the plug, because that's the way I told my wife, I told everyone, hey, if I'm in a situation like that, pull that plug. Right. Pull that plug, man. I don't want to be a vegetable.
I don't want to be, just set me up, pull the plug. If I go to heaven, that's where I'm going. I don't want to sit there and be a vegetable and say, I hope he comes back. I don't want to do that. So that's when things kind of change a little bit because now I don't have my mom to help me. I guess for the people out there, obviously it's heartbreaking when your parent passes away, but it's not as bad if you have a good relationship.
Like, Oh man, we did this. We had a bad, we didn't see much. Me and my mom were cool. Right. Me and my mom, I was her only son. So me and my mom were cool and we had a fantastic relationship. A lot of time together. Um, love my mom. Um, and you know, it is what happened and we had to deal with it. So after that, Angel goes back to his grandma's and
Now, like we were saying before, I'm slang and drug still. Where's Angel's mom? Is she in the picture at all? She's not in the picture. She's not in the picture today. She's not in the picture. One of Angel's half-sisters is in the picture a bit. She's a good girl, a good young lady. She's 20 now. I knew her then. No, she's 22 now, probably. We just saw her on Angel's graduation last week. He graduated high school.
Um, but yeah, she's not, she's user. Right. Um, hopefully I'm, she's user today, I think. Uh, hopefully she gets it together. Wish her well, you know? Um, but I have to, I have to play the hand that's dealt. This is what's dealt. So you don't have anybody to help just the twins. I got the twin girls and, um, I'm doing my thing. I'm starting to see angels. When I go to jail,
Angel was 18 months old. Right. So this happened. Trying to think. This happened when Angel was, he was only two and a half months old. Right. When my mom passed. So this was in June. Yeah. So we go the year and he's with his grandma too, right? Like grandma has him most of the time. Right. And, but I'm giving her money. Right. I'm not, I'm taking care of him.
But let me tell you something about me and Angel as he's getting older. I've never experienced this, but it was something that was awesome with me and him is when I would leave the room, he would cry.
We had that kind of relationship. He's eight months old, you know, he's not an infant, you know, then eight, nine months old, 10 months old, 11 months old. Um, I was his everything. I believe that even though his grandma was a big part of his life. When I, um, when I would leave the room, he would cry. Right. And, you know, he's still with me. I took care of him. And then, boom, after in August, he's 18 months old. I go to jail.
I get arrested. How does that come about? So, I have... Can we stop? One, I go to the bathroom. Okay. So, we know you're about to tell how you got arrested, right? Okay. Sorry. You want to go to the bathroom? I mean, they didn't just show up at your door one day, like there was a CI, there was a whole thing, right? Like your name had to be mentioned. They didn't randomly pick your house out. No, no, no, no. I was in a conspiracy with about
14 people. Right. So I got motion detectors around my house. At that time, we didn't have cameras. Maybe they did, but this is 04, 04 or 05. Yeah, they had cameras. I had motion detectors. Right. Well, what I'm saying is how did they even get to your house? Was this... Oh, they were watching. Right. But I'm saying, did somebody else get busted? Was there a controlled buy or your name just got mentioned?
Well, that would be skipping ahead to where we're at now. So maybe we'll just go with when I got arrested and I'll tell you. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't want I just don't don't forget. Like, no, I'm not gonna forget. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna forget. It's like one day somebody somebody said, Oh, drug dealer works that lives there. Let's go bust him tomorrow morning. You're gonna like this. You're gonna like this when I tell you.
But it helps when you're not a drug user, when you get arrested tremendously, right? Because you got your head, right? When you're a user and you get busted, you ain't got your head right yet. Right. And you stumble and you make mistakes. I didn't make those mistakes. So they come to the door. I hear motion. My alarms beep, beep, beep. They're going off. I'm in bed with one of the twins, but let's rewind with one of the twins with the twins. I never had them together.
So if people are, and they're wondering, hey, this dude had identical twins together, no, we were together, but separate. Right. That way. There's no menage-a-trois going on. No, no, no. It's a pain in the ass, to be honest. You know what? It sounds good, but it's honestly, it's just bumpy and awkward and somebody's left out. No, it just makes memories. It makes good memories. You know?
Hi, I'm here to pick up my son Milo. There's no Milo here. Who picked up my son from school? I'm gonna need the name of everyone that could have a connection. You don't understand. It was just the five of us.
I will do whatever it takes to get my son back. I honestly didn't see this coming. These nice people killing each other. All Her Fault, a new series streaming now only on Peacock. It wasn't like once every three months, every week, okay? So it's just normal, but normal guys that never had that or wasn't in our world, they're like, holy shit. But believe me, it's a shitty life.
So let's get back to where we were at though. It's a shitty life. You think you're the king but you're just a piece of shit. So I hear the motion detectors go off. I jump out of bed. I hit the back door and we have a swimming pool and then there's a concrete fence about six feet high. You get to the neighbors. And you think that they're coming to arrest you? Just like that? I don't know exactly what it is yet. Okay I just hear
motion. And I'm hearing loud banging, like someone's breaking this door down because I've been around that shit. This isn't a burglar. Not at seven in the morning. It's not a burglar coming knocking down your door like that. So I'm like, I get, I jump up, I'm in my underwear, no shirt. I hit the back door around the swimming pool to the fence. I'm looking back and I see a cop with just his head out with the trigger. And I'm like,
20 yards away. He goes, don't move. I'll fuck that. I'm sorry about that. Right. I was, Oh no, I'm gone. Yeah. Because in my mind now I don't got anything at the house, bro. I'm thinking I'm getting rated. Okay. Right. I don't know. It's a feds. I think I'm just getting rated. So I'm thinking in my mind at the time they're going to end up leaving because they ain't gonna find nothing. So I'm cool. No reason for you to sit in your underwear and handcuffs. No.
So I go hide under a bush, like four doors down. I'm under a bush and I'm just there and I'm there and I'm seeing cop cars, bro, circling around, but they ain't seeing me. And again, in my mind, I'm like, Hey, they're going to leave because there's nothing there. And then about an hour and a half, I'm guessing approximately an hour and a half later, one of the feds comes up because if you move, I'll blow your effing head off.
Right. It's what he says and I don't move and then I get out slowly and then he cuffs me. We go around to the house. You're still in your underwear. I'm still in my underwear and they set me on one of the chairs. There's like 10 of them there and the two twins are there and
I don't even really know what they said yet. Cause now I'm, now I'm trying to get my bearings cause I'm trying to figure out what's going on. Cause you ain't found, I know you haven't found anything except maybe a pipe for one of the girls. I don't know, but they didn't find anything. And, um, I'm getting arrested or whatever. And I got this bad ass hardly sitting in my garage, bro. Custom badass. And, uh, they put me in, uh,
Ford Explorer, I think it was. Put me in the Explorer and we're in San Bernardino and we're going to Riverside, which is half an hour drive. Now, this is why not using drugs, I think, helps you, helps me, is the cop wants to chop it up with me in the car. But I know this dude's recording. I know. Right. He says, hey man, that's a nice Harley. I don't even say a word. I don't even comment. I don't give a bat an eye. I don't do anything. And he's
Asking me a few other questions because I guess he tried to start with the Harley, but I ain't even talking to this dude I didn't say the word and he goes, oh, you're not gonna say nothing, huh? And even when he said, well, you're not gonna say nothing. I didn't say nothing. I'm not saying shit so they get me to this federal building and Take me up the elevator. I'm stealing. I got a t-shirt on now, but I'm in my underwear still right They take me up to some office or whatever and holding cell but it wasn't prison
Something like that. It wasn't even a cell, I don't think. It was like a room. Is it wrong that I want to know? Are these boxer briefs? Boxers. Just for the mental picture. Alright, so it's not that bad. If you want to look at it like that. But these dudes' suits, you know how they wear. They come in. Come with me. This is where shit starts happening now. Shit starts getting real now.
Because right now I'm like, they got nothing, right? They take me to the room, set me down, and there's a recorder right there. They say, hey, they're kind of cocky too, right? Say, listen to this. Click. And it's my voice talking to my connect, talking about blah, blah, blah. And they only play it for like 15, 20 seconds. Is this a phone call or an in-person? Phone call. OK.
Phone call. Do you have any idea this has been going on? No. Nothing. Okay. No warning. I'm going to get to this. I don't know the guy. He just brings me drugs, bro. Right. And I pay him. I don't know his name. I don't know. He's a phone number. I don't know nothing about him, which helped me, but I really don't. I don't know anything about him. I don't know anything about the conspiracy. They stopped the tape. Anything you want to tell us? I said, now I'm fucking sorry.
I'm getting cocky. I said, yeah, I think I need a lawyer and I'll say nothing. Yeah, it ends right then. They take me to the holding cell and in my holding cell, there's my connect. He's in the holding cell with me. Do you know it's him? Oh, I know it's him. Sorry. I don't know his name. I know it's him. And, um,
We're kind of talking a little bit, but see, I'm naive. I've never been arrested, right? I'm naive. What's going on? He, he could have been wearing a wire, right? He could have been setting me up because I didn't know the game until I got to, you know, the federal, uh, County jail where I'm staying there for 28 months and I'm hearing the people's stories coming in and out. And I learned the game, but at that time, I don't know, he could have been wearing a wire, right? Cause he's trying to, he's the kingpin. There's like 14 of us. He's the kingpin dude. Right.
So they were catching him. I just got the wave. I was their bonus, right? I'm, I'm, I'm like, and my crime, he's on there too. My co-defendant, right? He's on there too. So, um, he's on the tape or he's locked up with you. He's locked up. So they grabbed you all at the same time. No, he, he was grabbed separately. He wasn't in, he wasn't in there with us. They caught him separately. So,
We go in to the judge and I don't even really know what they say, but I'm in my underwear and I'm in a t-shirt and tell you the truth. I don't even know what they said. Like conspiracies, whatever. I don't even, they're talking a language I don't understand. Right. Cause I don't even know what a conspiracy is, dude. Right. Co-defendant that I don't know anything. I'm naive. We get back into the holding cell.
And there's this dude in there, we're talking and they bring us Subway sandwiches, dude. And I'm like, this ain't that bad. Subway. It's Subway, man. Right. And, and, but the guy in there says, Hey, when you come to court in Riverside, you get Subway. It's not cool. But the food, the food in the county is not that bad. It's not that bad where I'm going. It's not that bad. So boom, they send me up. I ain't getting out.
I'm in the holding cell at the county waiting to get to my pot. And these pods aren't like federal there. It's, it's an old jail. It's a county jail that they put feds in. And most of them, half of them ended up going to the fed. What do you call it? You said earlier, I never went there. The U S marshal holdover. Yeah. Holdover. I never went there. I stayed my whole 28 months at the county. So I'm in the holding cell and I'm hearing dudes talking.
18 years, 12, I'm not talking about my case, 18 years, 12 years, feds this, feds that, feds this, and I'm like, what? 18, dude, I'm in my mind, I'm not commenting, I don't know these dudes. I'm like, 18 years, struts bro, I've only heard people three years, four years, whatever, six years, I ain't kill anyone.
You know how many times I've heard that? Yeah. I could have got less time for manslaughter. Not me, but other people. I've been out eight years for manslaughter. I got 18 with, you know, a pound and a half or whatever. So I'm in there hearing this and now I'm getting concerned. I'm getting concerned, bro. I'm like 18 years, 12 years, 14 years, blah, blah, blah. I'm getting concerned. I'm in hot water. But in my mind, they didn't caught nothing.
They don't have anything, right? They don't have anything. I go up in the holding cell and I go up into, you know, the pod. There's like 45 of us. This is where I'm going to live for the next 28 months, right? But I don't know it at the time. I'm in there. I'm hearing stories. I'm learning game. I'm peeping game. Mind you, I got a lot of money, bro. I got good money. I'm good. I got good money. Made a lot of money. Guys in there get in store.
Whatever I'm getting store in the beginning, right? I'm good in the beginning. You're smiling like, Oh shit, it's coming. And it is cause it's drugs and you don't get nothing back. You don't get no returns. You don't get no refunds. People that owe you money. That's gone. You can't do none. That's gone. Even your best friend that owes you money. You ain't getting that bro. So I'm in there. It's funny. The same guys that will rip you off for what they owe you don't want you to tell on them.
Oh, you stitching on me? You owe me 40 grand! Fuck you! Cut your fucking throat! I'm three months in. I'm three months in and I know now, oh, we're going to get bail, right? You got a right to bail. Everybody gets a right to bail. I get there, I got three kids. I've been working a job for 18 years. I go there, the feds don't give you bail, but I don't know this, right? I'm naive.
My dad comes down, he's there at the hearing, and my mom has already passed, so my dad comes down and they're like, hey, no, you ain't getting bail, you're at flight risk. Flight risk? What do you mean flight risk? How am I at flight risk? I'm not arguing, but in my mind, I'm pissed, because how am I at flight risk? I got three kids, I don't have a passport, where am I going? Never lived anywhere but California. Never lived anywhere but California, but you ain't getting bail, bro, unless you got a house. They do everything they can not to give you bail.
Now if you were cooperating, of course you would probably get bail. You say, I didn't know that at the time. Right. They'd be like, of course you're going to get bail, buddy. No, no bail for me. And I could have maybe got bail if my dad would have put up his house. But my dad's old school. He's Mexican. Remember nine brothers, 10 brothers, nine brothers. He's the number nine. My dad's hard. It's hard like that. It's cool. But at the time I'm pissed.
At the time, I'm like, dude, you're my dad. Where you think I'm going to go? Like, you know, I'm not going nowhere, but I'm not arguing with them in my mind. I'm thinking this and no bail for John. So. Oh, God. OK, so now I've already been there three months and I know now a little bit of the game, not a lot. I'm going to be there a while. I'm going to be there a while because this is feds. You ain't going to trial. You ain't getting none of that.
Are you still thinking they don't have anything? Or by now you're starting to realize? At that time I'm screwed bro. I know already. Is this just from the other inmates or have you talked to an attorney yet?
I am screwed. Oh, you got the discovery? Yeah, I'm screwed. You saw the, the only thing they found was the pipe from your girlfriend? They didn't find anything. They didn't find anything? But I think when we were talking, like the only thing they could have found was a pipe. Right. But they were probably like, I'm here for him and I wasn't there. I ran. Right. So three months in, um, I'm like, um, what's the guy in the Bible who has his hair long? Samson. Samson. I'm Samson, dude. I got long hair, right?
I'm three months in, I still got long hair. After three months, I don't have long hair no more, dude. I shaved it. Right. Why? I ain't going nowhere, bro. I ain't going nowhere. You'll be here a while. I ain't going nowhere. This home. I'm not going nowhere. I'm gonna be there for a while. What's happened to your house?
Uh, I was a renter. I was renting. Oh, okay. So what about your stuff? Oh, you like this? All the stuff's gone, dude. I knew that you're six weeks in the twin girls. They sold it all, kept it all. And you know, they came to visit me here and there, both of them, right? Not together, but both of them. And, uh, two months in, two and a half months in, I got no more money. I'm broke. I got no store. I got no nothing. I'm broke, but I'm smart.
And I'm crafty and I'm figuring out the game, but it takes a minute because the people that run the game in the county have the game until they leave. Right? So I'm getting there more time and I'm scoping and my turn is coming up to run game, but I I'm not there yet. So I'm broke. I tell the twin girls, I says, you know what? Cause they're like, Oh, we're gonna get married. One of them, I'm going to marry you, blah, blah, blah. Hey, just go. You're a headache.
You were a headache when I was out and I had money. But I had to deal with you. You're a headache. I know I got 10 years coming in my mind, somewhere in there. I got 10 years coming. I'm better off by myself. And I'm seeing guys on the phone. Stress box. I ain't stressing no more, bro. That's why they call it a stress box. I forgot that. I'm not stressing, dude. I'm not stressing no more because I know where I'm going. I know what I got to do. I know the game.
And I'm learning in the, in the, in the county. And the first thing I started doing is I'm running a casino now. Right. I'm the casino guy. So we run, uh, we're using the cut up, uh, cards. We've cut up cards for chips. You buy in when you run out, you're out winter. It's like tournament. Right. But I get, I get an item. I take an item out of every tournament and we're running two, three a day. Right.
So I'm cool. Now I got store coming. I'm running, I'm running the game. Um, my case, you know, I'm, I'm learning the game. I'm, I'm learning what people do, what they don't do, how they do it, how much time, who goes where, how goes where. And I'm talking to this one dude, his name's Kane, but I'm not going to say his last name is Kane. And it's like 16 months in.
But let's rewind real quick, because I know you could clip this. Let's rewind. Just back up, back up a minute. Angel. In the beginning, I get locked up. I'm not seeing him. I don't know where he's at. I don't know what he's doing. I don't know. What about the grandmother? I don't know where they're at. I think they're in Hollywood, but I don't know. Right. No one's seen Jennifer, his mom. No one's seen him.
no one's helping me remember i got no family which we'll get into later i got no family what about the ex-wife the ex-wife she's out she's doing her thing she's cool but it just didn't you can only ask so much yeah um and uh as we i'm in their learning game i haven't heard of angel i hear he's sick though i hear he has a disease
but I don't know what it is yet at this time. I can't confirm nothing, right? I don't know nothing. Cause you're in prison, you hear a lot of stories or whatever. So I'm a year in, I finally get his phone number. I get a phone number to grandma and I'm like, I'm going to get to talk to my son, see what's going on. I call grandma, grandma Kathy,
Hey, where's Angel? It's like nine o'clock at night after count at 30. Because I probably got it. I probably called. How do I get the phone number? I got a thing from my ex wife. So after dinner, whatever I called, she gave it to me. I called grandma. Grandma says call tomorrow. He's in bed. I'll say okay. I saw call tomorrow. Same time. I called him tomorrow. I never hear from her again. For all the years I spent in there. I never heard from her again.
never heard about angel again never heard anything in retrospect because i didn't know the whole game in retrospect i think if i would have told my lawyer and especially at sentencing listen i'm a criminal i need help i know you're going to sentence me and i know i'm going to do some time but i need to see my son i don't know where my son is i have no contact i hear he's sick i think the feds would have found him i think that
I think your lawyer would make some phone calls, I think. But I didn't think of that, you know, because I just didn't think of it, you know, I have time to do. So that's about a year in. I talked to Kane. Kane tells me, you got to tell them what happened. You got, you got a, you got a snitch, I guess, right? Right. But in my case, I didn't know anyone.
They could ask me a thousand questions. I don't know. Where does he live? I don't know. Where does he get? I don't know. I don't even know his name. Right. They have all the recall. This is the phone number I call. The guy meets me with some what the fuck? That's that's all I know. I know nothing about nothing. And everybody's already been picked up. They've all been picked up. Are they already cooperated? I know nothing. So when I basically when I tell them what happened, I'm just telling on myself. Right. I'm not I have nothing to give.
And they know everything I probably already anyway, right? They already know everything. So I just have to do my part so I could get a downward departure. Right. Okay. But again, they already knew it all and they already snitched because he told me, Oh, I already know they did. My lawyers already know they did because I don't know how they know, but they're saying they already signed off or something or whatever, but you couldn't prove it. But he's like, I already know they did. So, and then my crimey, the kingpin, he left.
And he went back to back, he went to, he went to federal, federal holding and the federal holding that they go. I heard that that federal holding like that's where they take people that tell not everyone, but if you're in the County, cause it was a shit hole where I was at and you snitch, they move you out. Cause you ain't no help. Like it ain't like you can get some bad news in the County that you it's, it's easier to do in the County than it is to do in the federal holding. Let's say that.
So I go do that and now I'm just waiting and 16 months, 18 months go by. And mind you, I'm in there 28 months and I'm like, Oh man, sentencing date comes and then it gets pushed back. And you know, in the feds, if you, if you, um, they shut down, uh, the courts and the transportation in December for like two months, two weeks, I'm sorry, two weeks. So I get sentenced.
like in October and you know, 26 months in and I'm like, and it usually takes four weeks to get out of there. I've, I've been there 28 months. I know how it works. Right? Yeah. You see the guys get sentenced and they're gone. They're gone. I'm in there four weeks and I'm like, I'm still here and it's November. And then another week goes by, another week goes by. I call my lawyer and, um,
I says, Hey dude, I'm still here, man. Like it's been seven weeks. I should be gone. And he says, um, Oh, I'm going to check into it. I'm going to check into it. Okay. But there's important, there's important part of the story. How much time did you get? Uh, I did four years, 10 months. I think I got, it's like 48, 56 months, something like that. It's been 12, 13 years, but here's the kicker. Here's where the craftiness and the brains come in.
where I got four years off my sentence. Oh yeah. And I didn't have to say a word to tell Snitch. And this is what I did. Not everyone does this. This is what I did. My lawyer comes. It's like on a Sunday and it's, he comes to the county, he says, it didn't work out as well as I thought, but I have your, what do they call it? Plea agreement, I guess. Sentencing or whatever. And they want to give you 12 years.
12 years, 144 months, but I'm thinking seven, eight that because I've been around, right? I've been around. I've heard, I've known the stories. I know what happened. I know who did what. And I was like, okay, so I'm reading it. This is the kicker. This is it right here. He says, Oh, seven pounds of methamphetamine at 95% pure. And I look at him and I says, like, you're him. I says, Hey,
That wasn't 95% pure. He says, how much was it? And this is where I got saved me four years because how much was it? I says, I'm not going to tell you. I'm not going to tell you what it is. How do you know it wasn't 95%? Because I know it wasn't 95%. So it turns out that they never tested it.
So instead of it being seven pounds and 95 or 98% purity, it was seven pounds of a mixture. That was the word, a mixture of methamphetamine. Right. So now that took me down, boom, boom, boom, boom, down the departure. And that's where I got. So it was what three pounds ended up being three pounds of actual. I don't know how nobody knew they didn't test it because that's why I told them. I said, I'm not going to tell you.
You got to tell me, they got to tell me what it was. Right. But I'm telling you right now, it wasn't 95%. Did they test it? No, I don't think they did because they never came back. They just came back. They just said, okay, we'll drop that charge down. We'll just give them what it was. Right. We'll just, the magical 98% purity. We'll just, yeah, he's right. Like you try to catch me, you know, like anyone else even know, cause they don't know. Yeah. Oh, I guess it was, you know, let's see, can we get two years off? Can we try? No, dude, I'm not going to tell you.
You gotta tell me. And they never did. That's where I got the time off. So when you walked in front of the judge, they said what, how much? Seven pounds of a mixture. Okay, but I'm saying what was the time? Oh, 58 months, something like that. Well, you're saying 58 months.
I did four years, 10 months, but you know, you got a good time and you got the halfway house that I did. No, no, I'm saying before you got a downward departure, was it like 10 years and they knocked off 40% or 50%? It would have been like nine probably. Nine, yeah, yeah, okay. So they knocked off like 40%, 30, 40%, okay.
So your pre-sentence report said 12 years, you got it down to about nine and then they dropped it to just shy of five years? Yeah. But again, the preface is when they say, oh, this guy's a snitch or whatever, look man, they already knew everything. They already had it on tape. They didn't just have it with words. They had it all on recordings. I didn't give them nothing.
except for what happened to me, because I had nothing else to give. But I'm just saying, I had no other information from me to help them with anything except me. And they had me anyway. The guys were probably going to testify against me anyway, so I might as well just tell them myself.
So you're preaching the choir. I'm with you. I hear you. You did the right thing. Trust me. You made the right call. That's the game. That's why I'm glad I didn't get bail because I wouldn't have had this knowledge if I didn't, if I got bail. So it was great that I didn't, because also the time was hard in the county, 28 months. Where did I go after they sentenced me? I went to a camp, bro.
Listen, did you not hear the whole time you were locked up? Like, I just want to get sent us and go to prison many times and never made sense to me. Prison was the whole was the was much worse than this. They were like, the guys are like, are you fucking serious? Prison is a fucking joke compared to this, especially I was in the county, bro.
Guys are like, I'm gonna, you understand, I'm gonna hit the compound that night. I'm gonna have a fucking ice cream. I'm going to have that. You're like, what ice cream creamer? Yeah. Flavored creamer in your coffee, bro. It's crazy. Like it's amazing from being out here, how low your expectations get of life in the county jail. You're like, if I could actually have a TV of my own, like I would hear about guys in California got up their own TV. That's a
You have your own TV like we you know you would have the TV you'd write down like I want to watch this program on Sunday night and then you'd have to write down and other guys be like nah fuck that we're watching such-and-such oh you didn't write it down you know oh my god they're like I'm watching such-and-such and you're like okay I guess you're watching such-and-such thank you I'll make sure I write it down next week
Sorry, my fault. My fault. So sad. Yeah, I wrote it on the list. I don't see your name. It's on there Oh, I see it right here. Yeah, I see it. I see it. Yeah, you got it. You got it. You got it. So So check this out finally, I get to They sent me to
Victorville. Okay. But that's not where I go. They got a transition. That's where they fly people out, bus people out, blah, blah, blah. But lucky me, I go there at Christmas time. So now I got a set in Victorville's 10 man holding cell with an hour day out for two weeks. So
Kind of lucky, fortunate, whatever. I meet this one homie and he says, hey, he says, where are you going? I said, I'm going to Atwater. Hey, tell the guy who gives the closeout. I said, what's up? Whatever. I forgot his name, what his name was. Say Steve, whatever. I said, okay, cool, cool. So boom, I get to county. I'm going to get to, I go in, there's Atwater high level and there's an Atwater camp. So I'm with dudes,
dudes yeah okay and i'm with a few campers right oh yeah but i don't tell them i'm a camper i don't say shit you're in the fucking bus these guys these guys look like fucking gladiators they're cut up they got bullet holes in them they're missing eyes they're they're like this the whole time with the box on they got a box on they're like this the whole time you can tell the camp guys are just like
No, I wasn't like that. Oh my God! Look at you! No, I wasn't like that. No. Bro, I'm not even pretending to be hard. No, I'm not hard, but I wasn't like that. Because I was in county for 28 months. I got into fights, okay? I've been in fights my whole life here and there, so I'm not like, I'm not the tough guy, I'm not the guy who says, I'm not that guy. I don't know. But I've thrown some a few. Those nails look manicured. So what happened?
I get in the county and they got to give you the clothes as soon as you get there, separate from the big dorms, big dorms, like 125, 40 people. I don't know. So I get there and the guy who passed out the clothes, I forgot his name, same Steve. Hey, your homeboy, so and so said to say, what's up. And he gives me good clothes, right? Cause you know, whatever. And then I walk into the doors, into the, and mind you, I've done 28 months with some dudes. Okay. I've done, and I got some like,
I've done some time, not serious, 28 months in county, some time, bro. Right. I walk into the camp and it's a lot of people and it's kind of quiet ish compared to where I was at because everyone's got headphones. We didn't have headphones in the county. So one of the homies comes up to me and they're showing me the layout. Here's bathroom, but there's no politics in, in pretty much at all in the camp. It's a camp. Yeah. Showing me around, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then there's like seven, eight other dudes there, homies. And, um, he tells me as we're walking, Hey, what'd you do? I say, I mean, I just got into some bullshit. And, uh, so we're walking around and he says, stop for whatever introduced, whatever. And he says, Hey man, some of these guys, and I'm gonna get a little loud right now, just so you know, he says, some of these guys said, Oh, you might be a snitch.
And I'm like, oh, I'm pissed because I'm like, wait a minute here, dude. We're in a camp, bro. We're not with no hard criminals here. Right. So everybody snitched in this place, bro. If 98% of the people snitch, I'm not telling them this, but I'm like, Hey dude, no.
Cause in my mind, I know you all snitched. You're on camp. You ain't no hard criminal. 98% of the people snitch and you're telling me you're the select few because this is a hard camp. No, dude. This is a camp. This is a camp. You all snitched. There's no hard camp. No, there is no hard camp. There's shitty camps. Yeah. There's some hard people in there that have come down. Some. But they're also not politic and they're not like wanting to check people's paperwork and come on. None. None. So I'm like,
I'm pissed because first of all, I'm no chomo. Right. Because you can't be in a camp if you're a chomo. Right. So I ain't that. And you're going to be worried if I'm a snitch when we're in a camp. Yeah. Nah. So I said, I'm not sleeping around you guys. I'm sleeping over here. And that's where I stood. Do you know why? Because I'm a prick. That's why I'm a prick. I know I'm an asshole sometimes. Right. And I don't care.
And whatever's on, it's on, I guess, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to be, it wasn't really homies in the camp. Right. So I'm not going to be over there. I'll be over here. So I do my time in the camp. Mind you, it's now 29 months. I, and I'm, I'm cool. Cause I know it's a, I'm watching a super bowl. We got creamered coffee. Right. I'm working in the kitchen. Cause they told me you don't got no money. You got to work. Go, go to the kitchen, go work in a kitchen, go work in a kitchen. I'm working in the kitchen.
I got easy time, bro. I'm in a camp as far as if you got to do time goes, right? And no one's really fighting much, not much bigger. No one wants to leave the camp. So I get there, um, still no angel talking to my kids on the phone. Um,
In my process now, now I'm starting to think,
What's the game plan for getting out? What's life's plan? What's the game plan? What's going on? You're not getting out to nothing. Yeah. And I'm getting out to nothing. And I know I'm not getting out to nothing. What are you going to do, John? Internally, what am I going to do? Well, like I said, I'm not being arrogant. I'm a good looking guy. I'm going to come out shredded.
I'm going to come out looking the best I can look. Some guys want to come out bulk, but for some reason I don't put on a lot of muscle, but I can come out shredded with muscle. And I come out after county, I'm shredded bro. And I hit the halfway house. So basically in the county, it was just pretty much easy time, softball, regular, you know, no big stories, nothing big happened. Um, I got to see my kids and hug them after,
Three years, because in the county you couldn't touch anyone. They came and visited me one time, my dad brought them. So when they came to the visiting room, I got to hug them. Mind you enough, you do get furloughs. I don't know if they do it now, but back in the camp then, you got furloughs. So they don't get furloughs anymore? Not in the camp, not in Coleman. I was never in Coleman, but I know guys that are in Coleman, they're not doing anything. Well, the only
I know that camps when they move you from camp to camp, they give you like a bus ticket. Yes. You know, like, but no, I don't know anybody that's ever like gone for like a weekend. What year is this?
Plus, by the way, this is also California, right? Okay, so you got a weekend furlough, I think the first time, because I wasn't there long enough, the first time you got 24 hours, not 24, I'm a liar, you get like 12 hours, 14 hours, and then actually there was some guys, if you had done like five, six years there, eventually you got a weekend, it wasn't often, I don't even remember how often it was, but I remember when my dad came and visited me, it was a day before my birthday, and I planned my furlough,
Cause it's in September on my birthday. So I got to furlough out on my birthday and spend it with my kids and, um, uh, and my dad. So my dad lives by Atwater. So we went to, that's why they sent me to Atwater because I basically told him, send me wherever you want. Cause I got no family. It don't really matter. The closest camp was Taft, but I was thinking, I don't really care. I don't have a lot of time left. So send me wherever you want to send me. It didn't matter.
But they sent me an ad water cause that's the address I put because that was my dad's. I didn't have an address. Right. So my dad would visit me here and there. Cool. Came visit me. Um, so, um, I get them, I get to spend the birthday with my kids, get back. I got a new pair of tennis. I'm happy cause you could bring tennis in and they didn't trip, you know, um, I'm running the kitchen. I'm,
I got vegetables, I got real eggs, I'm cool, I got things going on. I'm cooking for some dudes or whatever. So he's saying that he worked in the kitchen because in the kitchen you can get extra food, you can sell food, you smuggle food out, you get to sell it, that's your hustle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I would sell food, chicken, because they make tacos and nachos later when it was chicken day or whatever. Fish, we had fish, so I'd fry the fish. Hot wings. Wednesday, hamburger day. Yeah, I don't know what day was what day for that. I don't think it was like that with the, yeah, they did, but I don't remember what day it was. I don't remember. We used to get hamburgers on Wednesdays. It's good stuff. Hamburgers and french fries. Or chicken leg quarters. That was cool.
But I wanted to say, cause I saw you on some of your podcasts, you said on one of your podcasts, you said, um, what was I going to do? I had 18 years or whatever many years you had to do. I forgot the number at 26 years. What am I going to do? Stay to myself? You know, I got to mingle. I got to mingle with some people, right? I got too much time. I still myself. I didn't have a lot of time left. I was like, I'm not dealing with these dudes, you know, and I dealt with very few. I knew I had,
You know, so little time, 14 months, it's a long time, but for the feds it wasn't, I guess. Right. So I kind of just did to myself, did my time, worked out, had workout partners, cool dudes, good dudes, TV, games. I'm a sports fanatic, a lot of sports. A lot of sports betting going on everywhere. Not me, but a lot of that. So,
Now we're getting to the part with the angel part, right? Right. And I know people are going to be like, nah, that's, that's bullshitted. It couldn't happen that way, but it's kind of like a fairy tale story, dude. Like I'm three weeks from the house going to halfway house. Okay. And, um, still no contact with angel, nothing. And then, um, my ex-wife, I'm calling my kids and she gets on the phone and she says angels in foster care.
And I have a phone number for you to call. This whole time I'm thinking he's with grandma. I don't know any different. So I get the phone number, I go to my case manager the next morning. Cause you know, you have certain phone numbers you can call with the feds. You can't just call out the numbers. Yeah. Yeah. You can't. Yeah. It's got to go to a, well, yeah. And even if you call foster care, it's going to go to a, like it's going to go to a system. You got to push seven. Well, I can't push seven because you have to answer the call. Right. You know, the phone system doesn't answer the call. Right.
I go to my case manager, case worker, whatever we call him from his phone. I'm John. I'm Angel's dad. I'm going to be out in three weeks. I want them. What do I need to do? How do I need to do it? And they really didn't tell me how I need to do it. They were basically like, call us when you get out. Right. So boom, I get out. And for those of you who have done time, maybe five to four years isn't a lot for a lot of people. Maybe it is for a lot of people.
But it's the greatest day of your life. I was so euphoric when I saw my dad at the bus stop. I was like, oh, freedom. I was so happy. I'd done my four years, 10 months and I'm happy. And instead of taking the bus, my dad drove me to San Bernardino to the halfway house. So I get his phone and
I'm sorry, I called CPS or whatever. I'm out. What do I need to do? How do I need to do it? Blah, blah, blah. He's got a court case in like three weeks. He's in foster care, whatever. How long had he been in foster care? Two years. See, I didn't know that. He was in foster care when I called grandma. When she said he was asleep. Oh, what she didn't want to tell you? Uh-uh. Okay.
No. And the bummer thing about it is if had I known, I know my ex-wife would have taken them. She got three of my kids. She'd have taken them. He'd never had to been in foster care. Right. I got brother and sister that I think if I would have called them, they might have taken them to better than foster care. Um, what about, so why did grandma say she, uh, called foster or they just show up? What happened? I don't know. Okay. I really, I really don't know. I never asked because I got to, I'm laser focused.
Right. That don't matter to me anymore. Right. How he got there doesn't matter. I get it. I'm out. What do I need to do to get him? Right. That's it. That's the most important thing. Whatever else happened, it don't matter. Right. I got to get my son. What do I need to do to get my son? So I get to the halfway house. We call him again.
He's got a court date like two, three weeks later, whatever have you. And I hit the court. I, my dad bought me a truck. He got me a truck when I got out, um, a used truck, but I had, I had, I didn't have any money. I didn't have anything. So I was busing it. Here's a guy who was bawling, making 15 grand a week comes out and he's taking the bus, right? No money. And that's what I was doing. I hear you. So my dad buys me the car, the truck,
And I go to the first visit, I got two of my kids with me and we meet at a park and he comes up to me, dude. Can't even describe the feeling, bro. How old was he at this point? Six, seven, four and a half, five, five. OK. And we hug. He he's not a shy shy, but
scared maybe I guess or something. But he knew I was dad, not because he remembered, but they told him he's smart. And we hugged and we played and we got an hour and it was great. And yeah, that's how it worked out the first time. But let me tell you, rewind just real quick to the court. When I walk into the court, the very first time, they're pissed. I'm stand up. I'm
I'm John Rodriguez. I'm, I'm Angel's dad. The judge looks at me. I've been gone for years, right? And, uh, his attorney, cause the kids have an attorney, right? She goes like, where you been? And I'm not saying much, you know, I'm here. What do I need to do? How do I need to do it? Yeah, whatever. And that's when they set up the visitations. So we got the visitations, but right when I walked out the door, cause I'm telling him, I want to get my son.
My son's lawyer says it out. We'll see.
We'll see what you do cocky, you know, but I'm laser focused. I don't care what you say. Yeah. Yeah. It's irrelevant. She didn't have to be nice to me. No, but because I know at that time I'm getting my son and you have to think about what she sees. Right. She, she didn't, she didn't see a lot of fucking winners walking through the door. You know, she didn't see a lot of people that a lot of people promise big, you know, I'll bet she's seen thousands of people come in there and see and say, Oh, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that and do that. And next thing you know, they're back in prison or they're back on drugs or shit. They don't even hear them for,
She's seen a lot. And like I said, what she says don't matter. What anyone says doesn't matter because I know where I'm going. I don't know how I'm going to get there because I don't know career path. I don't know exactly what's going on, but I just know I'm going to get them because I'm not going to do anything not to get them. So I'm working for an air conditioning company as a gopher.
Cause I got to get a job, right? I mean, you can't walk out and be a CEO or a manager or something. You got to grind. So for the felons out there or whatever that we talked about earlier, just go get any job and kick ass at it. Be the best. If you got to work at a donut shop, you make those donut circles and you put that circle donut and you frost it right. And you make that look like you creased your pants on going on a visit. You know what I'm saying? And you kick ass for six months.
So when you go to the restaurant that you want to be a worker at or a real construction or whatever kind of job, you say, look, I know I'm a felon. I know that I had problems, but I've been working at this donut factory and I've been there for six months. I never missed a day and I never been late. Now I want to come work for you. Let me tell you what I could do. Right. You know, and that's what I did as the gopher. I'm the nobody.
But cool. My ex-wife got me the job because I got to get out of the halfway house while I was working. Mind you, I got no family. I got no money. I got the truck. My dad's family, but he's 400 miles away. Yeah. So I got nothing. He can't get you a job. His brothers can't get you a job. They're 400 miles away. And so I'm there and I see a little riff raff and whatever, the halfway house. I'm not involved. I get my truck. I do that.
And then my ex wife gets me and I'm going to the court. I'm going not I think there was a couple court dates, but it was more visits, one hour visits once a week, never late. The foster care lady. I only got an hour and you were getting an hour and one minute you weren't getting an hour and three minutes like wrap it up dude 58 minutes, you know, and again, I'm focused. Whatever you do as mean as you want to be. I don't care. I'm getting my son. So then
I'm talking, I actually met grandma for the first time, grandma Kathy, after I got out at one of Angel's doctor visits. So can we pause real quick? We haven't gone, we haven't gone into his disease yet. Right. We got to bring that up. Yeah. Yeah. Bring it up now. So is now the first doctor visit like the right time? Yeah. You, yeah. I mean, why not? Okay. So that's what I wanted. Cause we hadn't done it. Yeah. Yeah. You had, you know, I would just say you had noticed
just before you left that he had some issues, but you didn't really know where it was. Can I get another Coke? Yeah. Cool. I got it. Okay. Well, okay. It's in the fridge. Uh, chest, chest height, the in the back. All right. I had to sit up straight. Okay.
So the first time I see grandma for the first time, and mind you, I'm shredded. I wasn't shredded going in. It's a little overweight. Not a lot. A little overweight. But right now I weigh about 192. Then I weighed about 162. She didn't even recognize me. She had no idea who I was. And we were sitting 10 feet apart at Angel's IV. He had to get
and
Take your time. You're pretty, you're fairly normal when you're little. Right. You know, I noticed he was a little off at 18 months, but he will, yeah, maybe he was 16 months, but I couldn't pinpoint it. You know, he fell a little more maybe than others. Okay. But it wasn't noticeable, noticeable, but I knew it when I saw him. But the first doctor visit that I went to for his IV, for his immune system,
Um, that's where I see the grandma and I find out that it just debilitates you and as time goes on, so when I met him, he could walk, but he couldn't stand straight. He could stand up, but he would have to, he would wobble a little bit, but he could, um, he could play, he could run. Right. Um,
to play kickball. He couldn't play baseball, but he could kick a ball and walk. So I have my own apartment. We're at the doctor's. That's where I meet her. She's like, Hey, are you blah, blah, blah? And I was like, Yeah, I can't because I was like, Kathy, Kathy took back like
Hey, it's John. She didn't know. What are you doing here? I'm here, Angel, because the foster care lady is bringing him to the IV. I'm not bringing him to the IV. She's not bringing him to the IV. The foster care lady is bringing him to his doctor appointment. Why was she there? Just to see him? To see him. She loved him. She's a good grandma. She loved him. Things happened. I don't know what, but irrelevant. And she's part of his life and she loves him. I'm not going to be mad at her for whatever happened because
I think all children need love from grandma, grandpa, whoever. And if it's a bonus, keep it. It's a bonus, man. He needs love. So now at this point, me and Angel have our own apartment. It's just me and him. How long does it take for you to get him back? He came after about two months.
We had weekend visits, but only with grandma Kathy. Right. Grandma Kathy had to be there for the weekend. Right. And his sister, sister about two years old. She was probably nine then or something. So he came on the weekends and then I took him back Sunday or Monday or whatever it was. Um, the caseworker, his name was Mr. Penrose, Penrose, right? And, uh,
He's come to the house and I says, you know, I know you're going to keep coming to the house. I'm like, you know, it doesn't bother me because I know eventually you're not going to come to the house anymore. Right. Cause the house was spotless and I was a vegetarian and we ate good. Everything was clean. Everything was in order. Exceptional. Like clean freak, like prison. Prison will do that too. Clean. So when they came, it wasn't a problem. Um, this was like August. I remember it was August. Mind you, I've been out since April now.
Tell you this, I had an opportunity to get with women when I was out. I had people want to introduce me, my apartment, blah, blah, blah. It's April. I haven't had been with a woman in four and a half years. Right. But I'm laser focused, bro. I'm not getting with no women. I'm not taking no women out. I'm not getting involved with nothing. Until I get my son, I'm getting involved with nothing because my focus is to get my son. So I went out with no one. I called no one. It's going to church stuff, but not
No individual dating, no group dating, nothing because I'm getting my son. I got to get my son. So we get, I get them in August and now they're not coming and they're signed off. No, I'm a liar. We went, he lived with me in August. They signed off in December. Okay. So, but, and we're living by ourselves this whole time since probably June ish.
It's just me and him. And it's like, um, I kind of viewed it like the courtship of Betty's father. I don't know if you remember the show where it was the guy who played the Hulk, was it Bill Bixby or something? And he had a sole son. It was just him and his little son. Right. And it was a show about them. Okay. That was me and my son. It was just me and him, nobody else. You know, we out to eat. Um, I'm working now as an apartment manager, but I'm also getting bonuses by, um,
doing clean outs of apartments because it's a big, it's H and J property. They manage like 30 different apartments. I just managed one of them. My ex-wife was the director, so they gave you 150 bucks every time you got to clean an apartment when they left and they left it a mess and they did. I'd make 150 bucks if I cleaned it out. But the bonus was I got to keep something for a yard sale that I could sell at a yard sale to make extra money. So 150 bucks and I might find a hundred dollars worth of whatever.
So I was doing that. I cleaned up yards for the apartments. It didn't matter because I work. I don't care what kind of work it is, whatever it is, just tell me what I got to do and I'll do it. And they loved me because I have a good personality and I can talk so I could rent properties. So I, I would rent other apartments in another apartment buildings for them and they'd give me money. Right. So we did that. Um, once December came, I went out on my first date.
because now I had my son and now we're good. We're settled in. We have a good relationship, blah, blah, blah. And, um, taking him to his doctor's appointments, taking him to infusions, doing everything that I need to do to, to stay on track. And I'm, I'm cool. I'm not even a problem. I go to Christmas party. I meet a girl, she's an RN. I'm like, cause mind you, when I'm in prison, I have a lot of time to think. Right. And I'm not getting with the girl.
That's got two kids living with mom when I get out, right? Cause I don't have nothing. I'm not homeless anymore, but I'll have a lot. I have a good work ethic and I'm smart and I'm crafty, but I'm not getting another anchor. I'm not getting an anchor. I'm not getting, I'm getting a winner, right? Period. I'm getting a winner. She's an RN took her out once.
I already knew immediately she wasn't the one. Cause already in my mind, I'm not wasting time dating girls that I know I'm not going to marry, that I know I'm not going to marry. I'm not going to say the first date I know I'm going to marry them. But on the first date, if I know they're not the one, there ain't no sense in starting a sexual relationship because we can and then get twisted into that because I'm not having that. I went out on a second date with this other girl that worked for the county. This is like in early January and, um,
she tells me about 10 minutes into the date, she goes, yeah, sometimes I get drunk. I said, oh yeah, okay, good. I'm playing it off. Cool. Whatever. And right there immediately. Boom. You ain't the one. That's all. That's all you had to tell me. You ain't the one. Well, she said I get drunk. Like I drink too much. She's saying like sometimes I drink too much. No, she was like, if I remember Chris, like sometimes I get drunk like that. Um,
But drunk or whatever, because I don't drink. I don't drink. I still don't drink. I don't smoke. So I want to get with a woman that doesn't drink and doesn't smoke. And when you tell me that you get drunk sometimes, I already know you're not the one. Right. Right. Well, if you're telling me that for the first 10 minutes hit the movies yet, it's probably it's probably more than sometimes. So I get a little drunk and that sounds like sometimes you black out drunk and mind you,
Like I'm ready to go with the woman, you know what I mean? Like I've waited, I've done my time, like in prison, I've done my time and I've had girls come up to me and I'm like, before, I don't initiate, like I don't give them that energy. Even though they're giving me the energy, I'm not giving them the energy, bro. Cause I'm on a mission. So in late January, I'm on my space and I'm, you know, trying to find,
Myspace not Facebook yet. Yeah, I'm on Myspace and you know, I'm trying to meet women or whatever have you and some lucky reason enough my wife replied back, you know and She says hey, I'm at the movies You mind if I call you later and she did and it turns out, you know, she has a house in the hills. She's a principal smart witty pretty good personality and
My wife is a kind of person that she could just make friends with everyone. She's not social, blah, blah, blah, but everybody loves her. Everybody likes her. She's a nice, very extremely nice straight shooter woman, you know, um, educated and all these box are check, check, check, check. And we go out on a date. Okay. I don't know if I'm going to marry you, but Mr.
It's a good road. Checking all the boxes. So we're dating for a couple months. It's still me and Angel. And, um, you know, she's a principal. What have her friends? They're all principals. Her best friends from high school. Does she know you just got out of prison? She knows. She knows. Third date. I didn't think you should lead out with that, right? No, it's never worked out for me when I've let out. Right. I never let out with it, but, um,
About the third date I let her know, hey, you know, I got my son and I did prison time. I told her a little bit about it and she was cool with it. But her friends weren't. No. All her friends are, they're not yippity people. They're like upper middle class-ish, right? And I'm a prick. I'm the low life to them. I don't know what they said. Right. But I know they didn't like me. And I know her mom didn't like me.
Okay, what? Just prison? What? It's just icing on the cake. But I don't know all this, and we're dating, she loves me now, right? Like, we're cool. And at two months, three months, I'm like, hey, now this, I don't see any signs that this is gonna end. Right. You know, there is no signs that tell me we're not gonna get married. You know, I'm not proposing yet, but I don't see anything wrong with us getting married.
So, and I am kind of a loser in a way to the outside world, you know. I live in an apartment. I'm an apartment manager. I've done prison time. I don't have a lot of money. Yeah, it doesn't scream success. No, but I have a good work ethic and I know my wife probably noticed that. And I'm a good dad because now I had my son, right? Yeah. And it's all about my son. I'm staying on the track to get my son. No more visits. It's a fairly normal life. I'm still in the halfway house.
I'm not in the halfway house, I'm sorry, but I had the six months in the halfway house where I had to check in, even though I had my apartment, drug test, you know, blah, blah, blah. But I'm all past that. No ankle monitor. No ankle monitor. Because that's hard to explain on a date. What's that? It's a bracelet.
And you know if I'd have told my wife it was a bracelet, she'd believe me. That's my wife. That's my wife. I'd say, I bought it at Ross on clearance, it blinks. She'd say, oh really? She'd have believed me. And she's smart. But she's just that way, you know? She'd believe me. Elena is her name, gotta put a name on it. So, but the bummer thing real quick on the halfway house part was, you were in the halfway house, right, and stuff. Did you have family when you came out?
I'm sure I could have stayed with my sister. I wouldn't dare ask to stay with my sister. We don't have that kind of relationship. I'm not going to ask her for anything. At that time, we didn't have a great relationship, I don't think. I had a brother and a sister, but I wouldn't have asked them. I had been enough of a burden.
Where'd you go when you left and you left on the weekends? I didn't leave on the weekends. Oh, you didn't? You understand, I spent every single day at the halfway house, seven months and change at the halfway house, just working, spending no money. You know how, I don't know if the house by house you guys have. So at the halfway house, they give you breakfast,
You can pay extra if you want like eggs and things like that, or you can just get the basic breakfast they give you. Like you get like a cereal, oatmeal, that's it. I get cereal and oatmeal. Lunch, same thing. If you want a hamburger, you can pay extra for a hamburger, you can pay extra. Or this is what they give you. And listen, honestly, not bad. I'll take that. Like I didn't pay the extra $3.75 for this or the extra $8 for this because I didn't have any money.
And even when I did get, I actually got lucky and I got a check in for something I'd optioned. So I did get money, but that money, I bought a vehicle and paid a year's worth of insurance and the money was gone. So now the money's gone. So I didn't have extra. And even when I was, I was building up money, of course, you know, I'm putting money away, but to me it's like, okay, well, if I want to spend an extra eight bucks a day, well, eight bucks a day times the amount of time that
You see what I'm saying? Like, you started adding up, okay, well that's an extra 400 and some odd dollars and the truth is, I'm okay with cereal. I wouldn't have had $3.75 to give them anyway. Right. For me. Right. But I mean, even when you started working, like the money goes in my... But I only made minimum wage and I worked 30 hours a week and they took 25%. They took 25% for me. I worked, luckily, I worked every hour you were available to leave the halfway house. I worked. But when you did the math, it was minimum wage. Yeah. So, it was still a chunk.
But it was cool to get away. I do whatever you can do. Well, you can pay me nothing. Yeah. And just let me stay out of the halfway house. Absolutely. So loud. So many people always yelling and screaming and having to clean or this and that. You can't sleep. You can't do anything. It just sucks. How come they didn't let you leave if you wanted to for Saturday and come back Saturday night? Because they did with us.
But keep in mind, it has to be someplace that has like a phone. They have to go and they check it out and all these things. And, you know, like, I don't really have anywhere I want to go or go. And I can work on Saturday, Sunday, of course, whatever I need to get done on Sunday, I'll do that. And, you know, there was no reason to do that. And that seemed, it didn't.
There were lots of people that did it and of course everybody also wants to get, they also want to get an ankle monitor and go home, right? Like my wife went home immediately. See, I didn't get an ankle monitor even when I went home, when I had my place. Every halfway house is different. Yeah, they didn't have that, they didn't have pay extra, you didn't pay extra for anything. See, like in Miami and Orlando, like everybody will talk about like the halfway house and supposedly in like,
Oh God, Ocala, like everybody's like, bro, it's sweet. Like, you know, like the first week they'll give you a weekend pass. They give you this. They give you that. It was extremely hard and I would have much rather stayed in prison and done the seven extra months in prison than having gone there. But I need I knew I needed to go to the halfway house because I needed to make money. I need to save money. Yeah, I like the halfway house way better. Oh, no. To me, because I got to get out. I saw my I had kids. I had to see my kids. But but it's different, too. I have nobody to get out to. Like I have my mom.
My mom came to see me every two weeks anyway and honestly I didn't get to the only way I was able to see my mom was to basically bullshit him you know my my job would run interference for me they'd say oh yeah he's here he's here but they would send me they'd say I'd call it and I'd say hey I gotta go pick up this across town and then they go okay we'll call us when as soon as you get back and I drive and go see my mom for two hours and come back like just
You know what the bullshit you have to do to get around the pricks. Let me, let me tell you something. Me and my ex-wife, Lucy, on a scale of one to 10 on a marriage towards the end, it was a one and a half. Me and my ex-wife, Lucy, now as divorced parents to 10. She's good people. I really, I kind of, she's good. Um,
we get along fantastic. We talk once in a while and we're friends and it's evolved. It's time, but she's good people. She helped me a lot and I, I'm fortunate enough now to help her sometimes because I make good money. Right. But when I was the manager, remember she's the district manager. Yeah. So she sent me on errands. Yeah. But there were no errands.
Right. Yeah, yeah.
I was in the back fixing an apartment. You didn't go back there, even though I wasn't. Right. And they didn't let me go. And let me tell you something about halfway house. The counselor's there. Not cool with me. Not cool. But I'll tell you something. The director, I forgot what her name is. It may hit me as we're talking. Awesome. And she's a hard woman. She's dealing with felons. She's making big decisions on 20, 30 year people, four year people, camp people, high level prisoners, all this when they get there. Right.
She knew I was focused. She knew it. Cause she had told me, she says, you know, not a lot of men would do what you're doing. And I'm like, I don't understand really what you're talking about is what I think everyone does. My son, she didn't help me per se to do anything wrong, but she gave me a little leeway not to do wrong things, but Hey, you want to go see your son? He gets three hours. He gets to go see his son. It wasn't a,
Dispute or fill out the form. Yeah, wait till it gets signed off by Brad. Then you've got to go see her and she'd say oh no, no He's gonna go see his son on Tuesday because I only get an hour It's not like I get to change shit, right? Right. So in the beginning and I thank her for that Because she recognized it So anyway me my ex-wife we're cool and she helped me there and finagle some things She got me the job there and I had a cool apartment thing
uh gig because of her because she put me there it was easy for me to keep my son right she didn't get me she gave me probably a few apartment buildings to clean extra she called me first because i needed the money but uh she didn't do anything like finagle like money wise or whatever so yeah so i'm doing that and um me and my wife were together three four months five months her friends don't like me her mom don't like me
Nobody likes me, but my, my wife adores me. Okay. Like my wife is a head over heels in love with me. Like my wife loves me. Like I've never been loved in my life. I never really experienced a love like she gives. Like my wife's, she'll be nervous. She's nervous right now for me right now, cause I'm here. She's nervous when I play, cause that's, she loves me. She's like, she's like worries, like I hope he's okay.
You know, I hope he's not too nervous, you know, and when I was a pitcher in softball, because I play third base, but when I pitch, she's nervous when I'm pitching about throwing a strike or whatever, you know, she's got that connection with me. She's, she loves me and I never really experienced what that kind of love is. So, um, her parents, they're not giving me bad vibe energy. They're not together, by the way, they're not giving me bad vibe energy.
But they're not giving me good positive energy either. Right. You know, so when I asked her to marry- Are you telling me they're not thrilled that their daughter is dating a guy that just got out of prison for drugs? A drug conspiracy? No. That seems crazy. That seems shocking to me. I wasn't on their list. You didn't check all the boxes? I'm not the guy who plays golf in a collar, bro, on Sundays, bro.
I never have been. I'm not that guy. They didn't say, wow, exactly what we were hoping for. The AC DC shirt and tux it into his jeans and things. That's a cool look. I'm not that guy, bro. I'm not that guy. So and she's got like three or four best friends, like best friends from high school that she she's connected with. Right. Like, you know, we're 40. Yeah, same age. She's six months older, younger than me. And when I asked her to marry me,
She immediately says yes, but that night I don't even know I'm going to ask her to marry me. I just went over to her house and we started talking and then I just said, Hey, you want to marry me? I didn't get on my knee or nothing. We're talking. And she says, yes. And we were married
We met in January. We were married in September. We've been married ever since. She's the only woman that I've ever been with since I've been out of prison. We've been married since then. Married kind of right away. We agreed that just family was going to come. My wife's successful, but at that time we didn't have a lot of money. She's cool. She made good money, but we didn't have
We had a nice house in the hills. We're getting by. The bills are being paid, but there wasn't money sitting in the account. And at that time, I'm a loser, right? I got no job. I mean, when I asked her to marry me, I have a job as an apartment manager. The day after we get married, I have no job because I wasn't an apartment manager anymore. I'm with her. Right, right. So I got to stay there. I'm living with my wife, you know, gave him two week notice.
And now I'm a loser, right? Has she got, and she's got what, two kids you said? She's got two kids. Uh, they were, not no more. They're at the time one was on his way out, which he left. And the other one was like a junior in high school. He's a good dude too. Rob's a real good dude. So is, um, he's gone. He's Fred. They're both good dudes. Rob's real good, real good with Angel now, real good, like brothers tight. Um, and uh,
So, on our wedding day, I tell her I don't want her friends to come. I know happy wife, happy life, but I don't want the bad energy, man. I'm feeling like it's a happy day for us, right? We've got family, not a lot of family, my kids are there, but I don't want her friends are giving me this negative energy and I know they don't like me, right? Because
I'm poor, right? I'm a loser. And I say that on my Facebook, when I buy something, because I got money, when I buy my Maybach, and I post on Facebook, the loser does it again, because I know it's a stick to them. Because I can tell you now, I couldn't live on the wages they make. I couldn't live on it. I couldn't do what they do. They don't make enough money. I make more money than probably all three of them put together now. But
I couldn't live on what they live and that's not a stab like at them like, but it is kind of a stab at them because I know you thought I was a loser. I don't know if this way is the best way. I know you thought I was a loser, but now I make more money than all three of you put together. So I couldn't live on your wage. You guys are nice people, you know, in your own way, but you guys have done shenanigans with each other already that I know about that are pretty dirty.
Some people might say he's a loser move. Now I think, now I know why your wife's nervous. Baby, she was nervous about what I was going to say with the girls and blah, blah, blah. So I'm cool with them now, but I'm highly successful now. I own a big limousine company, party bus company. I have employees. I take care of my son. I take care of three of my sons. I buy all my grandkids their clothes.
There's school clothes, there's soccer outfits, there's karate outfits, there's boxing outfits, whatever they need. Whatever my grandkids need, Jade and Juju, Lexi. Lexi, not quite as much, we're not as close as Jade and Juju are, but I take care of her too. But whatever my two grandsons need, they got. As long as they haven't, whatever so far in their life, whatever they've asked me for, they get. Because everything they've asked me for is reasonable. Right. You know, soccer clothes, soccer cleats, there's no,
None of that. So we get married. And in the beginning, it's a little bit rough, not too rough, but kind of figuring out each other's energy. And her mom comes around. And mind you, her husband, some people might call a loser, but he passed away a few days a few weeks ago, maybe a month ago, because he was an alcoholic. He drank himself to death. So I guess John doesn't look too bad right now.
But like I told you, I'm a prick at times because I say what it is. Um, I think some people, they say, well, I just say what's on my mind, but there's times to say things and there's times not to say things. You know, you can say what's on your mind, but I'm here. I still don't drink. I don't smoke. I work out. I'm a decent person. I have a big business. I've raised my son since he was four and a half years old and we're tight. We're tight, but good.
He's um, the disease he has is, is debilitating and you know, he could walk, but at 11 he couldn't walk and he's in a wheelchair and he's been in a wheelchair since then. But for what he is and what he's in and how it is, it's good. He's good.
You just graduated high school? Just graduated high school. Big moment, big moment. Cause some kids that have this disease, they don't get to graduate high school. Right. You know, and he's healthy. So he, it's like a levels, I guess, because some are very, very healthy and some pass away at seven, nine, 12, 14 in and out. I mean, I'm on a Facebook group, AT kids, AT parents. And every time,
Every time one of the kids from Ataxia Foundation pass away, you feel like it's yours. You know, it's like, you feel like it's your kid in a way, or you feel like your kid's next, you know, or it's coming. Right. I don't know the feeling. It's a lot of emotions, but the first emotion is, it's like your family, you know? So we just live our life.
We do well. We have a couple rental properties. Me and my wife are good. No big issues. The prison stuff's behind me. The prison mentality's behind me. There's probably like granules in there. But overall, it's a good life. And I'm fortunate in some ways. I don't know when you're going to cut this in, but
I don't know if I ever went to prison if I had a dad in my life. I think dads are important, very important, very vital to be in children's lives. Because sometimes you need a little kick in the ass from your dad, you know? And a little pat on the back from your mom. It's cool,
But you also need a little kick in your ass. Right. And I didn't have the kick in my ass. And I felt like I was handicapped in some ways at 20, 21, 24, when I was a supervisor, because I didn't have the skills from men. I had skills from women. Right. My mom and my aunt, some from my dad. But at 14, I didn't see him much. I mean, I saw him five days, eight days a month, a year. Up until then, I saw him two and a half months a year. So yeah, in the summer.
So I didn't have that and I think it's important and I wonder how my life would have been. I don't think I would have went to prison because I don't think I would have went down that road. I just didn't have a father figure in my life to become something or whatever. Maybe I'm wrong but it's a very broken piece from my life.
And now I take care of my dad. So my dad has Alzheimer's. He's living in Georgia, where I'm going after this tomorrow, tonight. My brother and sister live there and they sent him there about four years ago. He was unable to take care of himself. He's not completely lost right now, but he can't take care of himself, there's no way. So he's been with me for two years, staying with me. I take care of him. Now he's a little, more than a little lost, but I take care of him too. So I take care of my dad, I take care of my son, my wife, me, my wife,
We team up, but I take care of my dad most. I take care of my son most, you know? So yeah. Okay. That's kind of the story. And it's good. That's good. I saw you on concrete. I think is the first time I actually saw you. And, uh, I didn't, I don't think at the time I knew you had a podcast, but then I reached out to you six, six, eight months ago.
See, cause you're crafty too, right? Cause you've saw this guy's got a podcast. He's probably doing well, blah, blah, blah. I could do that. I got personality. I got wit, charm, whatever game recognizes game. You know what I mean? It actually took a while before I figured that out. But you knew, just like when I was in prison, it took a while, but once I knew I figured it out and you'll probably be very successful because you'll figure it out more and more. Why? Because you're crafty. Well, it's working out so far. We'll see if it just keeps going. We just gotta, I gotta keep grinding. Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's a good show you have. I'm glad that I came. I'm glad we were able to get the story out. If you're in prison and you've got kids, just grind. Get out, grind. Do what you've got to do. There is a snippet that you may want to cut in somewhere. When I went to family court, a few of the times that I went for Angel while I was out in the room broke my heart. When I was out in the waiting room to go to court,
one of the attorneys for another kid comes, sits with the kid and I'm hearing the conversation and, uh, she tells him, she tells her, um, you can't go home today. Your dad tested dirty, so we still got to keep you. And she just starts crying and it broke my heart, you know, where some kids, they get stuck, right? You know? Um, and I firmly believe that,
My opinion through my experience is the family courts want the children to go back with their parents. They don't not want them. I feel that. But the parents have to do the work to get them back and they have to show that they can do the work. So I don't know if anyone out there is thinking,
You know, I won't get them back. If you're in prison, you're thinking, I don't think they will. They want the fathers in their life, especially now more so. I know it's always been that way, but now with more podcasts saying, Hey, you need dads in the life, single parent, single parent families, you know, it's more forefront now about fathers being in their life. So just do what's right. Live your life. Right. Get rid of the people.
and you'll be good. It'll turn out, it may not turn out when you want, how you want, exactly how you want, but eventually it's got to turn out right because you're not going to do anything wrong. And game will recognize game. When you show good work ethic, all of a sudden things are going to start lining up. You know, someone's going to hire you. Someone's going to, maybe your sister or brother has a job that they're doing and they're not going to, when you get out, they're not going to tell them to hire you. But after you've shown a year that you've worked somewhere and it's, Hey, they're hiring at my company.
People get out of prison, they get frustrated, they have entitlement issues, they think that they're owed something. No, no, no. You just got out of prison, bro. You're starting at the bottom. And you've got to be willing to suck it up and put your pride aside and take some shit and work your ass off. And if you do that, then good things will happen.
So yeah, I got cars. I got, whenever before I go to prison, I got cars. I got money. I got girls. I got everything a man would want, but that's not what every in, in what people believe. Some people, my dad, Oh man, you're living the dream back then, but he didn't know what I was doing, but he saw I was successful, but I wasn't. Yeah. The dream is to have a wife.
to come home to a loving wife. That's the dream. The dream is have a good marriage and good family and good grandkids and children that want to come around you. That's the dream. The dream isn't 20 girls, threesomes, nice cars, casino nights, blowing money. That's not the dream. Right. So I think that might be the story. That's it. I think so. It continues. It continues. And my goal is to make sure
that my heritage goes on and that my grandkids never have to go without and that they'll always have the opportunity to be successful. Whether they become successful or not is on them, but they'll have all the resources and the money that they need to become. They will not be handicapped because of money situations. I bought my daughter a house. My grandchildren will never have to move from their house. I bought that house. They pay the mortgage of 2,500 a month.
But I put, I furnished it, painted it, two story swimming pool, 1200 square foot lot, grass, trees. They'll never have to move because I grinded for them. They won't have to be handicapped. Like any of us, my children and me, they got what they need. I appreciate you coming by. Thank you. Thanks for coming out here. I really appreciate it. You know, anytime I'm glad you took me. This has been,
What, 16 years-ish? 17 years since I've been out and I've been wanting to get this story out, but with my son being young and, you know, now he knows everything about everything. And he didn't even know I was in prison until three weeks ago. Really? He didn't know. He knew I was gone, but he didn't know I was in prison, but time, right? And hopefully a book come out. I really would like a book to come out, because there is other stuff in there.
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"text": " You know, I, cause I did a lot of therapy, you know, and I started piecing things together later in life in my twenties. But, um, having that being said to me at 12 and I'm not a bad kid. I'm not getting into trouble. I never got suspended from school. I never, I had one meeting in high school with the, with the, with one of the teachers and auto shop teacher, but I never got suspended. I never got in any trouble. So I was a pretty good kid."
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"text": " So once he says that, then I'm just like, no. And then I stood. But like I said, as I got older, because it was rough until 12, super rough. I had no outlet. I had no getaway. I had no comfort. I guess for me, comfort would have been sports. I watched a lot of sports. I still do. 95% of what I watch is sports or sports talk."
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"text": " so i just that was i guess my medication at that time was sports okay but um... like i said when we when i was telling you earlier or we talked earlier once i hit thirteen fourteen i hit my stride right like i'm hitting my stride so i'm good i'm not good with uh... with what's going on with my mom because it's still going on but now i can't be hit or beaten right because now i can hold myself rob is gonna say now you're you're uh..."
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"text": " A 35 year old woman is not going to be able to control a 15 year old boy. Right. There's just, it's too, they're just too strong. They're too big. They're too, it's just not going to happen. Yeah. I stopped getting beat at 12. Right. Probably 10 or 12. Yeah. Probably 12. So when do you, you eventually you graduate, I'm assuming you high school, you start working at the, the, um,"
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"text": " I worked at a corrugated sheet factory. So step one, corrugated sheets. Step one would be getting the paper. Step two would be making it into corrugated sheets. Step three is where my stepdad worked. He made the boxes. We made the sheets. At a totally separate place. But it was, it paid more money where I lived, where I worked. So he got me the job there."
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"text": " And then you said you met your wife, you got married. Yeah, I met my wife Lucy and we had three kids. I was 21 when we had our first kid, Johnny. I bought my first house when I was 21. I was young. Yeah, yeah. I bought it in Asperia. It was on an acre because I didn't have a dad. I had a dad. Sorry, I don't want to disrespect my dad."
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"text": " I want to say I didn't have a dad. I have a dad influence, big influence. I'll just say this. He wasn't a big, he was very little influence in my life. Right. Okay. But he loved me. So I got nothing bad to say and I take care of him now, which we'll get into. Uh, but yeah, I got nothing bad to say. I bought a house in Asperia. Okay. And, um, it was on an acre, four bedroom, 1800 square foot, one story house. I married a woman who's got three kids. Okay. Peter, Joe rest in peace and Mike."
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"text": " And he's, Pete, her son is about 12 years younger than me. So I'm 21, she's 28. So we get together. We have three kids. We're living in Esperia for about five years. I'm working at CoreCraft. I'm moving up. By the time we're, you know, I'm 25, 24, I'm a supervisor. So we're living a, we're living a middle-class life. You know, we're taking a little vacations here and there. We've got to go house."
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"text": " We ended up moving from there, bought another house in West Covina in a better area. And that was all good until, until we transitioned into us having problems and me seeing my best friend again, cause me and my best friend, Jim, we were always kind of in and out. He went to the army, he comes back. He goes off living around me, but we're not really contacting each other. And then then we get into contact and then,"
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"text": " Then when me and my ex wife have problems and we're, we're, we're getting a divorce. It's, it wasn't said then, but we're getting a divorce. I'm like, you know, it's coming. It's coming. It's 19 year 2000, probably 1999. It's coming. I'm leaving on the weekends. I'm going to his house. I'm getting away because we're getting a divorce. I'm out. Uh, we're done. It's just time. So that's when it goes, it's, it goes out."
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"text": " It doesn't go south real quick, but it goes south because, um, he's, he's dealing meth, right? He's, he's drug addict then. Did you know that moving into the place? I didn't move in. I just went there on the weekends. Okay. Okay. Cause I worked core craft, you know, right? So I'm there, I'm the straight shooter, but I see now, now I'm seeing, I'm seeing a whole different world now because everything changes once, uh,"
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"text": " Once I see him and see what he's doing, then that's where the whole true crime story comes in. So is he making good money or he's just a regular dealer? He's a user, he's getting by. He's not selling anything big. Just enough to keep himself in? Keep him going, keep afloat, go to a casino, things like that."
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"text": " He's not making good money, but he's making enough to get by, support his habit and get by. Um, so yeah, so when I go there, I'm seeing all kinds of different people coming into his house, you know, and, uh, I'm the straight shooter guy and they think I'm a cop. Like, they're like, Hey, is this guy a cop? He doesn't use, you know, why is he here? And he's like, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. He's, I've known this guy since we were 12. Like we've been best friends since 12. No, this is, this is my dude. Like he's good. So,"
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"text": " Um, yeah, we're doing that. I'm going there. Maybe me and my wife eventually get a divorce and then I start seeing a girl that's a user. Okay. And, uh, I don't want to mention it, but then I started seeing a girl that's a user and, um, she's slanging a little bit on the side. My buddy's slanging a little bit on the side, but I'm not slanging anything. And then, um,"
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"text": " Eventually it starts, you know. Well, you're still working, right? I'm still working. Um, I had back surgery, uh, probably four years before I ended up leaving core craft. Um, but I hurt my back again and I couldn't work. So at that time, when I'm going to his house on the weekends, it's probably, you know, six months later, I hurt my back again and I don't need surgery, but it hurt my back. And then, uh, I never went back to core craft again. I just left. I went on a disability,"
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"text": " And that lasted about a year. And then after that, I was, I was slanging then. So after that, I never went back to core craft. Okay. So now you're, you're like, where are you at? Where are you guys getting meth from? Well, he's getting it from his connect, which I ended up being his connect. Okay. So he's getting his thing, but I'm kind of seeing how everything's going here, you know, and my best friend gives me, um, one of his people to sell to."
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"text": " So that's how it all started with like little quarter ounce stuff, eight balls, things like that. And then from him, I picked up another one and then I picked up another one and then I picked up another one. And then, um, I'm just basically selling eight balls, right? Um, teeners, half teeners, you know, nothing quarter, quarter ounce was probably big, you know, but that's all I was just dealing with small users. But with,"
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"text": " with us Latinos, right? We make the shit. Right. So I ended up meeting another, uh, Mexican dude. Now this, this because we're Rasa, right? Like we're, we, we're taking care of each other a little bit. I have a little relationship with him and he's bringing me stuff and, and he, they all know I'm not a user and I'm paying, right? I don't owe nobody nothing. I never do."
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"text": " You know, I get it and they bring it, they get paid or they front me a little bit, front me a lot a bit, boom, boom, boom, get paid. But what I did, how, how everything grew for me, selling the drugs, how it really, I don't want to use the word blossomed because that's not a good word, but how it boomed was I figured out if I buy a quarter pound from the homie, right? I could sell it to the white dude."
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"text": " and not make any money. So I buy a quarter pound, let's just say, it's probably about, you could buy it. I could, I could buy it back then. You could buy an ounce for like, I want to say 700 bucks. Right. Okay. This is 19 or this is 2001. Um, you could buy a quarter quarter ounce for about 700 bucks. I would buy a quarter pound from him and then I would"
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"text": " sell it for the same price to this dude, but I would get the price of a quarter pound, right? Okay. So I'm making no money here, but because I'm buying a quarter pound, I'm getting a discount right on, on the ounce. So I take, and I buy two ounces more say as an example. So I'm buying six ounces. I'm selling this guy a quarter, four of the six,"
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"text": " But now I'm getting the $600 price. I'm not paying or 550 price because I bought six of them. Right. I'm making no money with him, but now I'm getting my ounces at $550. Right. Right. So now I'm taking those two ounces. This guy's coming almost every day to my house. This guy's buying almost every day because even though this dude is in the game much longer and he's a much bigger dealer than I am. Right."
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"text": " He's not getting my price. Right. Because he's not Rasa. He's not getting my price. Okay. I'm not saying that's the way it is for everyone. I'm just saying that's the way it was for me in my situation. Right. Okay. So, and also the guys that are bringing me this stuff, they're not dealing with the bullshit because I'm not a user. I'm not telling them a story on why I can't pay and how this time I'll pay him more next time and I'll catch up and blah, blah, blah. No, no, no, no."
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"text": " You brought it, I paid, he paid, boom. I'd have this guy come over in 45 minutes or something to come pick up his part and then I'd take my part and be with it come the next day. Buy another six, boom. Buy another eight, eventually buy another pound. This guy's buying a half pound, I'm buying a pound and I'm selling ounces now and I'm selling quarter pounds now and I'm selling this and that and now I'm starting to make some money. Now I'm"
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"text": " I don't know what a lot of money is because in the feds, when you go to the feds, you're like, dude, you were selling shit. You know, you think, oh yeah, I'm selling pounds. You're a small time, you know. Well, you got guys sitting at the table who were shipping in, you know, 2,000 pounds sitting right next to another guy that"
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"text": " is doing the same amount of time for bringing a gun to a $10 crack deal. And you're like, this is insane. Like it's, you know, you got, you're basically street level dealers sitting next to guys that are smuggling thousands of pounds of whatever meth or Coke or whatever. So yeah, it's, it's, you go in the feds, it's insane. So every, it's, it's, it's all relative. Like to me, are you just making your bills or are you making more? You know, is it, are you making 8,000 month? Are you making,"
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"text": " 20,000 a month? Or 20,000 a week? Yeah, what's the best week or month you think you had? Are you asking me that question? Oh. I'm going to go with, because it's fluctuated, but oh."
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"text": " I can make 50 grand a month. On average then, I would say I was 10,000 a week. I was making 10 G's a week. When I was busted, I was probably making 14,000 a week. So you have a good month where you make 50, you have a bad month you make 30, whatever. So you're not living with your buddy, you're not living at home. No, no, no, no, no, no. But on the road, so there's like a road, right?"
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"text": " I'm look kids out there, don't sell drugs. Right. It's a mess. It's a train wreck. It's a horrible life. It's a no good life. And I'm only telling a story. Okay. This is the story. Right. I may have emotion. I may smile and this guy don't really, I care. Yeah. Don't sell drugs."
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"text": " Don't get involved. You're going to throw your life away. You're going to get yourself killed. You're going to get in big trouble. Matt, I'm just telling you a story, bro. I'll just tell you how it was. Okay. I'm not fluffing it up because I could have said, oh yeah, I was making 45,000 a week, dude. Yeah. And how would you know I was or wasn't? Yeah. You know, but I made 14 grand, about 12, 14, 15 grand a week. Right. But"
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"end_time": 2683.336,
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"start_time": 2654.667,
"text": " In the, in the drug world, it's different world. Okay. See you, you did your crime with a white collar way. You, you again, I'm going to say it just this last time. Don't commit crimes. Don't sell drugs. I'm just saying what it is. You guys can take it for what it is, what it's worth. Right. If, if, if you're going to commit a crime, if you're going to commit a crime,"
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"end_time": 2711.305,
"index": 99,
"start_time": 2684.838,
"text": " Do it by yourself. Right. Find a crime. Don't find a crime. Right. But if you were, if you had to, if you had to do a crime, okay. Keep your co-defendants. You don't have co-defendants. Forget the word co-defendant. Co-defendant doesn't exist. It's not in your mind. There is no co-defendant. Got it. Okay. Do it all by yourself. Like you did."
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"text": " I sometimes."
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"text": " You could live a good life, Matt, making 20 grand a week, bro. Yeah. It could live a smooth life, right? But no, that's not what Matt did. No, Matt, Matt went a little bigger, but, but we're not here for that. I've heard your podcast. I've heard you on the podcast. That's why I'm here. Cause you're cool dude, right? You're a cool dude. Um, you got good energy and we got good energy, you know, and I was like, man, we're gonna make good podcasts. And that's why I called you. But, um, if you just think, if you would have just did your shit small time,"
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"start_time": 2751.886,
"text": " make 10, 15 grand a week. Didn't tell your girl. Yeah, I try. Listen, I tried. I'm an real estate agent. I try not to think about it all the time. I'm a middle man. Just rewind. If you could have just said, Hey, look, check this out. I sell real estate, but I'm just the middle man. Okay. I don't get involved. I take house for sale, the seller, and I take the buyer and I find the buyer and I get a cut. That's what I do. You'd have been doing that for how long? No one would have known shit."
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"index": 103,
"start_time": 2780.179,
"text": " You're smart. You're very smart."
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"text": " Big mistakes with your case. And I'm sitting there watching your story and I'm like, and I'm here and I'm like, Oh, I know this dude. Cause I met you in Atwater where I was at. I didn't meet you, but I met guys like you. You're slick. You try to be slick, right?"
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"end_time": 2841.834,
"index": 105,
"start_time": 2814.65,
"text": " Right? You slick. You know what's up? What? You know how to play. You'd think. See, you'd think you know how to play the game with the Feds. At least in the beginning. Am I right? And I'm like, Downey, you didn't know. Yeah. So I didn't get bail. So I learned the game. Yeah. Okay. I didn't get bail. Then you should have known. Like, dude, you better roll over, bro. You better roll over. I did roll over. You got too much time. You got too much time. You didn't roll over. Right."
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"end_time": 2868.695,
"index": 106,
"start_time": 2842.79,
"text": " You didn't roll over, right, bro? I thought I did. I wasn't in a good position. When you went to county, when you were in the county, you were in the county, right? The US Marshals Holdover, yeah, in the county. I was in the county, county. I never went to the Fed, county-ish, whatever you guys call it. I never went there. But you guys are in, maybe you stood yourself too much back then. You're in a special pod. Yeah, but you didn't talk to enough people, because you didn't talk to enough people that I told you,"
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"end_time": 2894.855,
"index": 107,
"start_time": 2869.923,
"text": " Let me tell you what you need to do. Cause that's what happened to me. Okay. But we'll get into that later because, um, don't play bro. I know. So go up. So you're, you're selling drugs. How long does this go on? Oh, probably four years, right? Four years. But we'll get back to where I was in the beginning ish is once you're, once people know what you're doing, what you're doing, it's kind of like,"
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"start_time": 2895.776,
"text": " What we're talking about with the chimpanzees on Netflix, there's the leader of the pack. Well, I'm the leader of my pack. Right. People are either walking towards you or walking away from you. Oh, they're not walking away, bro. No. No. See, because you don't know the drug world. I know you've probably interviewed dudes, right? But I know what's up. Look, I've been there. I know the game. I don't know everything, everything."
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"text": " Because you say, Oh, you know everything. And I could say that, like, I know everything, but I know everything, bro. When it comes to the smaller dealers of pounds, I don't know the game of big time people, but I know how the, how the small game work. No one runs away when you got a half pound at home. Right. And they're feeding and they need to use and"
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"text": " No, they're not. They're not walking away. Well, everybody's coming. What I meant was that like in fraud, like when it got to be known in in Tampa that I was committing fraud on a regular basis, then you have your legitimate straight shooter friends or colleagues that walk the other way when they see you. Okay. And then you have guys that know they may need something or want to get in on whatever you're doing there. They're now they're now they're your buddy."
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"text": " Hey, bro, let's go to lunch. Hey, man, there's a party next Friday. You want to come in? Suddenly it's like, well, you never hung out before. But now you find out that I'm regularly committing fraud and you need something. So now we're buddies. Now you start. Now everybody's cozying up to you. They want to be in your circle. Even if they don't need anything right then, people are smart. They know I may need you. So I'm going to now I'm going to invite you to all the parties. We're going to hang out. I'm saying all good things about you. It's."
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"text": " Yeah. So that's what I mean is it, but your legitimate guys are like, yo, don't deal with that guy. Well, the thing is it's a little different in the drug world. There, there is no, don't deal with that guy. Right. That guy's got the jewels and, and you need those jewels. That guy's, that guy's got what you need. You ain't walking away. So my empire is growing. Right. I got a good name because I always pay."
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"text": " I never owe. Okay. Um, and I would tell the guys that, um, not even the guy that I got caught up with, cause he comes two years down the road, but the guys that I'm dealing with here in my little empire, um, I'm always on time. I tell him because I didn't want to get robbed with 50 grand at my house. Right. Cause then I'm screwed."
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"text": " Because not only did I get robbed 50 grand, I still owe him 50 grand. What's going to happen? It's all good until you don't pay, right? It's all good. Everything's great until you tell me, dude, I got robbed. Well, now this is what we're going to do. So, um, I would tell him, come over, dude, you need to come over. You need to come over now. You need to get this money, right? Cause I don't mind getting 15 grand taken. I can't have 50, 60 grand taken and they come over to collect, you know? Um, and then, um, eventually,"
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"text": " I'm not really dealing with eight balls and I'm not dealing with that anymore. I'm not dealing with teenagers. I'm not dealing with, after about a year and a half, I'm no longer dealing with the only quote user. Yeah. You're a distributor. Now you just distributed. Now I'm distributing to the, to the people selling. Right to that. All right. To the deal. No one's calling me and saying, uh, Hey man, can I grab an eight ball? I'm like, dude, you got the wrong guy, bro. Right. You know, I'm now I'm pretty much, I'm just selling,"
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"text": " quarter pounds, quarter pounds, two ounces, half pounds, things like that. Two years in and two years in I have, um, you know, it's, it's kind of like I say, you know, like, um, like if you're a rock star, right? You're, you know, you're a rock star. You walk into the room, everyone wants to be around you. Everybody's your friend. All the girls are coming. It's the same thing in the drug world. Everybody's coming. All the girls are coming."
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"text": " Um, I've kind of thought about this and said, this is like, if you have a boyfriend or a girlfriend and you're a drug user, you don't have a boyfriend or a girlfriend, right? You think you do. You're in some type of relationship with a boy and girl, girl and boy, whatever, but there is no boyfriend, girlfriend in the drug world because they're all doing stuff. Everyone I knew then, you know, you know, and if you're gone, the next girl finds another one, you know, replaceable. So,"
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"text": " That's kind of what I'm doing. I got my own place. We're, we're a year and a half in and I meet this girl, Jennifer, right? Jennifer ends up being the baby's mama to the son. Now the focus of the story is on, but she ends up, I ended up getting her pregnant. But mind you, you know, up until I was selling drugs, I'm a straight shooter, right? Like I'm just a regular dude."
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"text": " I'm working, but when a year in of selling drugs, now I'm getting all kinds of girls. When I talked in high school about having girls, I got girls. In the drug world when you got girls, you got a flock. It ain't one or two. I know how these guys are, but you got a flock of 20. You got 20 girls. You can call at any time."
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"text": " We're going to the casino tonight. Okay. And between going to the casino, and I told my wife, I don't want to embarrass her, right? Because my wife's a very straight shooter, straighter than I ever was. But this is what is the truth. I'm on the podcast."
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"text": " I'm going to hold some stuff back because it would really embarrass my wife. Right. If I said, you don't know your wife then you know, you didn't know her then I didn't know her then. Right. So old stuff again against me that would you, I didn't even know you. Well, let's put it this way. This is kind of how it went down. So we're going to the casino five nights a week. I'm picking up a girl or two or three and I'm bringing a friend with me and it's cool. We're going to the casino and I would tell the girls, Hey man, my friend wants to come. That's okay."
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"text": " here's the deal if your friend comes we're gonna have sex okay because if we're not all right dude I'm lying that's not how I said it I'm gonna tell you what it is I'm lying if your girl that comes isn't gonna give me a blowjob right she ain't coming why am I gonna take her to the casino right why if we're not gonna do something sexually"
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"text": " Why is she coming? I got three of you. You're not riding for free. You're not coming here enjoying the night and thinking you're going home. You're gonna come and"
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"text": " We're gonna do things. But not forcefully. But they know the game. All the girls know the game. Let's don't play stupid, okay? Let's don't play dumb. You all know the game. You all know what's up. There's no, oh I didn't know. You knew. Everybody knows. I'm telling you beforehand. Don't ring her. Let her know. Because she ain't coming. I don't need her around. I got three of you. The fourth one, does it matter or not? I don't know. Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't."
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"text": " So what does the chicks say? What do they say? No, no, no, no, no, no. See, that's the drug. I know you've interviewed people, but you ain't got an interview like this, bro. You ain't got no interview like this because you're going to get the dirty, you know, you're going to get, you're going to get the info. Oh no, dude, you don't."
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"text": " It's like, I don't know what's the word, you know the word where you, it's just said, like it's said with no words. But they knew the words, like I would tell them, don't bring your friend. Or I'd say, hey, bring that girl, I want to get with her. And then they'd come or not come, whatever. So we all get taken care of, you know, and it's just the way it was."
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"text": " It's just the way it was, man. It's just people helping people. Yeah, they needed something. I needed something. We all had fun, right? It was fun. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. Symbiotic relationship, right? Like everybody's getting something. It's kind of like the 70s, bro, like a free world. It's a free world, but you got to have the dope. Right. And the girls need the dope. So they're coming. Yeah. Okay. And I'm not a bad looking guy. So it's not like they got to get with some dude. Cause I've seen it where you're like, Oh, you know, I've seen some tour bag dudes, but they got girls."
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"text": " They got girls cuz if you got the bag you got the girls and I'm gonna tell you something too about the girls all the girls They're not 10s But they're not threes either They're all sixes and sevens, bro. They're slick. They're they use drugs bro. They're skinny man, right, right? They ain't got no obese people, you know very few that are"
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"text": " are using. So they're all 25, 22, 28, you know, 110 pounds, 115 pounds, you know, and they want to have a good time, right? I want to have a good time. So that's what we did. And we did that for two or three years. And Jennifer was the one that I got pregnant. And in the rest of the story enough, you'll love this because your podcast, I know,"
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"text": " It's the truth, man. I'm not telling you lies, bro. So Jennifer gets pregnant, right? And about two or three months later, she kind of goes her own way. You know, she's I'm doing my whatever she goes her own way. But she's around. But I don't see her. She's around. And then seven months later, I get the call. She's already had the baby."
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"text": " Because I think this is speculation when I say when I tell you I don't want to lie. I'm not lying. I'm given what I think is honest. I don't think she knew who was the dad 100%. Okay. So once I saw Angel two days after he was born, it's like, that's my boy."
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"text": " You know, um, and she had, when she had him, she stood with her grandma Kathy and I really liked, I really, I loved Kathy. I loved her. She took care of Angel. She adored him. She's passed away now probably about five, six years. She did not, she did not love Angel. She adored him, you know, and she had other grandkids, but there was something about Angel that she just took to and they, um,"
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"text": " After after the she had the baby she was in Hollywood and Living with her mom and then I would go see my son and then um, I told my mom yet Right. I told my mom shit that you've got a kid. I ain't told her yet, you know, I gotta go see him first I gotta see what's up. I don't know So I go see him and it's mine and I still ain't told my mom yet and I told I told Jennifer I"
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"text": " I'm going to take him like three or four days after he's five days after he's born. Not long. And I take them to my mom's, right? But I'm living like this crazy world, dude, where I'm not thinking straight either. Um, I should have told my mom, you know, Hey man, I got it. You got a grandson and I brought him, but that's not how I did it. So I got them all waddled up and I go to my mom's house and I tell my mom, I got a surprise for you. It's a surprise. And"
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"text": " I'm not saying it was right. I'm just saying that's how I did it, man. It's just different. My mind's not right. I'm living a rock star. When you're a rock star, bro, you don't think about other people. You're like, I'm a man, you know? Once you get to the Fed, you realize like, dude, I was a guppy, but at the time I'm the man, right? Yeah. And I, she closed her eyes and I put my son Angel on her stomach and she opens her, or probably not on her stomach, but close to her stomach."
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"text": " And she opens her eyes and says, hey, this is your grandson. And she starts crying, bro. She's like, no, you're kidding. No, no, no. And it's true. No, no, no, he's mine. He's mine. And then, you know, she's shocked. I got my other kids with me. And yeah, she's shocked and she ends up taking care of him a little bit for me, you know, when in the beginning. So after that, you know, I take him back and now,"
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"text": " I worked hard all my life, bro. I worked in a warehouse, man, 17 years. I grew up without a father. Um, I was, I was kind of poor as a child, not a lot of money. And, and I wanted, we're not going without bro. Okay. I work hard. My dad had 10 brothers. My uncle Leo was like the shock collar mafia boss. He's the oldest guy. I didn't know him well. Um, he said, you gotta work, man."
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"text": " Like don't go get you no job. This is 81, 14. Don't get you no job behind the desk. You need to go work. They all worked the fields, bro. Oh my God. They all worked the fields when they were young, busted their ass. And I've always been a worker because I didn't want to be poor, but I made track. I don't want to use the word track. I made bad mistake because I missed out a lot on my kids, Johnny, Frank, and Olivia. I missed out on a lot because I worked a lot."
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"text": " You know, I started selling drugs when my son was probably, my oldest was 13. And then Frank was 12, Lydia's nine. Something like that. What does their mother think you're doing at this point? She knows you don't work at the factory. Oh, she knows, bro. Okay. She knows. I'm not going to go into it, but I'm going to say this. She knows. Okay. Her crimey, my crime, her crimey, my crimey,"
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"text": " Was her middle child. Joe. She knew. So Joe was my driver. Her crimey? My crimey. I said my mistake. What's a crimey? Well, we got into a conspiracy, so he was part of my conspiracy, my stepson. He's my crimey. We did dirt together. Oh. You didn't use that in the fed? No, you're like your codiphant. No. Codiphant. Okay. You ever heard of crimey? No. Now you know."
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"text": " Okay. So she knew. Right. But there was no, she knew I didn't use drugs. Right. Right. So I was giving her money. She took care of my kids. I took care of my kids, you know. But back to what I was saying, I just worked a lot because I didn't have a dad in my life. I needed my, I need to provide for my family. I do that today, which we'll get into. Provide for my family. I'm working hard. I'm living in Asperia."
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"text": " And I'm, and I know you don't know aspera, but I'll tell you, I'm living in aspera because I bought my house is, um, the outskirts of inland empire and I'm working 75 miles away. Right. So I'm driving 150 miles a day to go to work and I'm working 10, 12 hours a day in this warehouse. At least I did for five years while they were little, little, and, um, but I had to provide for my family. And then we moved back down closer to where I worked, but I missed out a lot. And I regret that because I was too focused on work."
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"text": " Because my thought process then was my wife's going to stay at home. She worked part time. She's going to stay at home. She's going to be take care of kids. I'm going to provide. That's what I'm going to do. And I didn't get to spend as much time with my kids. I missed a lot. When Angel was born, it changed."
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"text": " It changed, because now I'm going to be a part of his life, that I wasn't with my other three. I was a part of their life. Yeah, yeah, you're going to put more, I understand. You know, because I'm going to keep it 100. When we got a divorce, when me and my wife got a divorce, my kids"
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"text": " Wanted to go with their mom. Cool. It is what it is, right? Obviously it hurt me, right? They came with me. They were with me like half the time until I started slanging, slanging. Then me and my ex-wife, we lived within a mile and a half. Because where they moved, I kind of moved so I could be around them. But when Angel was born, it's different. When Angel was born, I was 19, say 20, say 20."
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"text": " 35. Right. He's 30. I'm 34 and my youngest daughter at the time is like 13. So I didn't think I was going to have another one. So boom, he's here and I'm taking care of him and I'm doing my thing and he comes to my house on the weekends and I have one of my girls. I had, okay,"
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"text": " I had two girlfriends, two what I would consider girlfriends, but in the drug game, they weren't girlfriends. But at the time, they're girlfriends. They're as close as you're going to get. They're as close as we're going to get. I don't want to say their names because I don't want to put it out there. Because they're both congressmen now. They're identical twins. Okay. They're identical twins. Like I could tell them apart. You couldn't. You'd see them. You wouldn't know."
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"text": " And they were staying with me. And they were both my girls. And I had other girls. I had other mini girls. But they were my main girls. And they would help take care of my son. Now, when he's at that time, now in my mind I'm a big dealer, right? But I'm home often."
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"text": " Because I got runners, I got people delivering, you know, there's no drugs at my house. There's never any drugs in my house. There might be one when I buy, but there's no drugs in my house. Right. There's never drugs in my house. That's like what it was. There was a lawyer, not a federal lawyer. This guy ended up being a jerk. Anyway, he tells me, cause they're all corrupt, bro. Even straight shooters are corrupt."
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"text": " Lawyers are corrupt. No. Stop it. But I don't know this dude. I don't know this man. He tells me, and mind you, he's not a federal lawyer. He's a, what do you call him? A state lawyer. A state lawyer for drug dealers and whatever, right? I always loved the state lawyers. This is a common scam with state lawyers."
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"text": " The state lawyers will come in, you'll get arrested. They know your charges are going to go federal."
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"text": " They already know it, like he got caught with this much or he's got this many co-defendants. We already know the feds are involved. We know the state caught him. It's a conspiracy. We know it's a task force. The feds are involved. We know he got arrested by the locals, but they already know it's going to go federal. And they'll come in. You'll go to them and you'll say, hey, you represented my buddy Jimmy or me. You represented me on the last charge. And they'll say, listen, I'll represent you. It's $20,000. But if it goes federal, you'll have to get another lawyer."
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"text": " and you think oh it's not gonna go federal because you don't know you've been arrested twice or your buddies have been arrested nobody's gone to fed prison yet right right your small time right you think you're small time you don't realize well you've got 30 conspirators and the feds were involved in the dea was involved in but you're thinking you don't realize that means so they always say so look if it's state right like how much you get caught okay you didn't get caught with with tons or anything no"
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"text": " I did they only got me with like half a pound you're like, okay, it's probably not gonna go federal So I'll represent you 20,000 down and but if it goes federal, of course, I can't do anything Like I'll have to do it has to get a federal defense attorney and they immediately you say okay. Yeah Nobody's not gonna go federal will never go federal fine. It's fine. They already know there's a 95% it's going federal. So what do they do? That's just a cash grab. I can keep the 20 that 20s gone We'll give me 20 back. No, no, you signed this paper saying you don't get the 20 grant the 20 back. Oh"
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"text": " If you're a big enough dealer, 20 grand isn't nothing anyway. So you just give him 20 grand because he says he's going to help you. But they're all leeches anyway, anywhere from the bottom of the user that wants $10 worth up into the high time"
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"text": " Attorney. Yeah. They're all leeches. You're a money bag for everyone, right? Right. Where does the lawyer think you're getting that money anyway? Where does he think some guy who just got arrested for drugs? This dude knew what I was doing. He knew what I was doing. They all know. They know it's drug money or they know it's fraud money. They know it's something. No, he knew it was drug money because he told me because I don't even want to mention his name. He's dead now. Anyhow, he told me if they never caught me with anything, I would never go to jail. What an idiot."
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"text": " That's just dumb. That's what he told me. Yeah. So now in my mind, I'm like, I'm cool because now I don't never have anything at my house. And this is what I'm thinking when I finally get busted, which we'll get into later. But this is what I'm thinking when I got busted. They got shit on me, man. Yeah. But the feds, they don't have to have it on you, bro."
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"text": " There doesn't have to, nobody really, I've seen cases where nobody got caught with anything. But they start rolling over on each other. What are you going to do? I'm going to go to jail and three guys are going to fucking testify against me and I wasn't caught with anything. They weren't caught with anything, but they're all going to roll over on me and there's no drugs in evidence anywhere. Maybe a small amount somewhere and they're charging you with fucking 10 kilos and you're like, there's no drugs."
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"text": " I wasn't caught. They weren't caught. Some other guy was caught. They add the shit up. You know, they add the shit up. How long you been doing this? Ten years. Yeah, we got 150 pounds. You can get up to 88 years and blah, blah, blah. So yeah, so yeah. Ghost dope. This is where not getting, which we'll get into, not getting bail helped me tremendously. Right. But not getting bail when I didn't get bail,"
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"text": " I'm thinking I'm screwed. I'm screwed. Like, come on, man. Dad, help me out here, dude. But mind you, when I tell you in the story, my dad had 10 brothers. He was number nine, second to the youngest, and they were all fruit pickers in central California. Right. Let's get, let's go back to, let's go, we're jumping all over. Let's go back to the two girlfriends are taking care of Angel."
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"text": " The two girlfriends are taking care of Angel. Okay. Okay. So he, months are going by a little few months and I'm on my way to pick up Angel one night and I get this phone call from my aunt, Sharon. She rest in peace. My mom's half sister and she said, um, your mom's in the hospital. You need to go."
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"text": " Like it's a big problem. I don't remember exactly what she said, but did you immediately think it was cutting or just no, because that cutting I said kind of ended about 25 ish wasn't like that. And to be honest with you at that time, I didn't think it was suicidal at all. Okay. It didn't enter my mind suicide. I think she said, I think she said she might've had a heart attack. Okay. So I remember I'm on my way to go get angel in Hollywood and my mom lives in Anaheim, which is"
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"text": " She's on a ventilator. And I open the door and I'm like, Oh shit."
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"text": " You didn't know that was coming? No. And it's a fucking problem, dude. Sorry. It's a problem. And the doctor comes in and checks her pupils and said something about they're not dilated or something. And he's like, yeah, bro."
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"text": " She's not going to make it. This is a massive heart attack. We're thinking at the time that she had the heart attack at home and by the time they got there, it was a problem. And she passed away that night. Um, I had Angel. So they went and got told my ex-wife, if she could go get Angel, cause we're kind of cool, right? And she's married too. And, um, she goes and gets Angel."
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"text": " All my kids are there in the room and we're going to pull the plug. My son, Angel's there. My aunt's there. My mama has a twin sister. My aunt Jackie's there. We pull the plug and, um, my mom passed away and we say our goodbyes. And, um, just, just to tell people, this is what happened to me. I'm not saying that's the way it is for everyone, but when they said my mom,"
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"text": " When I said our goodbyes, me and my godmother, my mom's twin sister Jackie, said our goodbyes to my mom, there was a little tear that I saw come out of my mom's eye. And we pulled the plug, because that's the way I told my wife, I told everyone, hey, if I'm in a situation like that, pull that plug. Right. Pull that plug, man. I don't want to be a vegetable."
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"text": " I don't want to be, just set me up, pull the plug. If I go to heaven, that's where I'm going. I don't want to sit there and be a vegetable and say, I hope he comes back. I don't want to do that. So that's when things kind of change a little bit because now I don't have my mom to help me. I guess for the people out there, obviously it's heartbreaking when your parent passes away, but it's not as bad if you have a good relationship."
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"text": " Like, Oh man, we did this. We had a bad, we didn't see much. Me and my mom were cool. Right. Me and my mom, I was her only son. So me and my mom were cool and we had a fantastic relationship. A lot of time together. Um, love my mom. Um, and you know, it is what happened and we had to deal with it. So after that, Angel goes back to his grandma's and"
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"start_time": 4542.841,
"text": " Now, like we were saying before, I'm slang and drug still. Where's Angel's mom? Is she in the picture at all? She's not in the picture. She's not in the picture today. She's not in the picture. One of Angel's half-sisters is in the picture a bit. She's a good girl, a good young lady. She's 20 now. I knew her then. No, she's 22 now, probably. We just saw her on Angel's graduation last week. He graduated high school."
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"text": " Um, but yeah, she's not, she's user. Right. Um, hopefully I'm, she's user today, I think. Uh, hopefully she gets it together. Wish her well, you know? Um, but I have to, I have to play the hand that's dealt. This is what's dealt. So you don't have anybody to help just the twins. I got the twin girls and, um, I'm doing my thing. I'm starting to see angels. When I go to jail,"
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"text": " Angel was 18 months old. Right. So this happened. Trying to think. This happened when Angel was, he was only two and a half months old. Right. When my mom passed. So this was in June. Yeah. So we go the year and he's with his grandma too, right? Like grandma has him most of the time. Right. And, but I'm giving her money. Right. I'm not, I'm taking care of him."
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"text": " But let me tell you something about me and Angel as he's getting older. I've never experienced this, but it was something that was awesome with me and him is when I would leave the room, he would cry."
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"text": " We had that kind of relationship. He's eight months old, you know, he's not an infant, you know, then eight, nine months old, 10 months old, 11 months old. Um, I was his everything. I believe that even though his grandma was a big part of his life. When I, um, when I would leave the room, he would cry. Right. And, you know, he's still with me. I took care of him. And then, boom, after in August, he's 18 months old. I go to jail."
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"start_time": 4679.377,
"text": " I get arrested. How does that come about? So, I have... Can we stop? One, I go to the bathroom. Okay. So, we know you're about to tell how you got arrested, right? Okay. Sorry. You want to go to the bathroom? I mean, they didn't just show up at your door one day, like there was a CI, there was a whole thing, right? Like your name had to be mentioned. They didn't randomly pick your house out. No, no, no, no. I was in a conspiracy with about"
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"text": " 14 people. Right. So I got motion detectors around my house. At that time, we didn't have cameras. Maybe they did, but this is 04, 04 or 05. Yeah, they had cameras. I had motion detectors. Right. Well, what I'm saying is how did they even get to your house? Was this... Oh, they were watching. Right. But I'm saying, did somebody else get busted? Was there a controlled buy or your name just got mentioned?"
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"text": " Well, that would be skipping ahead to where we're at now. So maybe we'll just go with when I got arrested and I'll tell you. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't want I just don't don't forget. Like, no, I'm not gonna forget. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna forget. It's like one day somebody somebody said, Oh, drug dealer works that lives there. Let's go bust him tomorrow morning. You're gonna like this. You're gonna like this when I tell you."
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"text": " But it helps when you're not a drug user, when you get arrested tremendously, right? Because you got your head, right? When you're a user and you get busted, you ain't got your head right yet. Right. And you stumble and you make mistakes. I didn't make those mistakes. So they come to the door. I hear motion. My alarms beep, beep, beep. They're going off. I'm in bed with one of the twins, but let's rewind with one of the twins with the twins. I never had them together."
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"text": " So if people are, and they're wondering, hey, this dude had identical twins together, no, we were together, but separate. Right. That way. There's no menage-a-trois going on. No, no, no. It's a pain in the ass, to be honest. You know what? It sounds good, but it's honestly, it's just bumpy and awkward and somebody's left out. No, it just makes memories. It makes good memories. You know?"
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"text": " Hi, I'm here to pick up my son Milo. There's no Milo here. Who picked up my son from school? I'm gonna need the name of everyone that could have a connection. You don't understand. It was just the five of us."
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"text": " I will do whatever it takes to get my son back. I honestly didn't see this coming. These nice people killing each other. All Her Fault, a new series streaming now only on Peacock. It wasn't like once every three months, every week, okay? So it's just normal, but normal guys that never had that or wasn't in our world, they're like, holy shit. But believe me, it's a shitty life."
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"text": " So let's get back to where we were at though. It's a shitty life. You think you're the king but you're just a piece of shit. So I hear the motion detectors go off. I jump out of bed. I hit the back door and we have a swimming pool and then there's a concrete fence about six feet high. You get to the neighbors. And you think that they're coming to arrest you? Just like that? I don't know exactly what it is yet. Okay I just hear"
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"text": " motion. And I'm hearing loud banging, like someone's breaking this door down because I've been around that shit. This isn't a burglar. Not at seven in the morning. It's not a burglar coming knocking down your door like that. So I'm like, I get, I jump up, I'm in my underwear, no shirt. I hit the back door around the swimming pool to the fence. I'm looking back and I see a cop with just his head out with the trigger. And I'm like,"
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"index": 184,
"start_time": 4927.073,
"text": " 20 yards away. He goes, don't move. I'll fuck that. I'm sorry about that. Right. I was, Oh no, I'm gone. Yeah. Because in my mind now I don't got anything at the house, bro. I'm thinking I'm getting rated. Okay. Right. I don't know. It's a feds. I think I'm just getting rated. So I'm thinking in my mind at the time they're going to end up leaving because they ain't gonna find nothing. So I'm cool. No reason for you to sit in your underwear and handcuffs. No."
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"text": " So I go hide under a bush, like four doors down. I'm under a bush and I'm just there and I'm there and I'm seeing cop cars, bro, circling around, but they ain't seeing me. And again, in my mind, I'm like, Hey, they're going to leave because there's nothing there. And then about an hour and a half, I'm guessing approximately an hour and a half later, one of the feds comes up because if you move, I'll blow your effing head off."
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"text": " Right. It's what he says and I don't move and then I get out slowly and then he cuffs me. We go around to the house. You're still in your underwear. I'm still in my underwear and they set me on one of the chairs. There's like 10 of them there and the two twins are there and"
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"text": " I don't even really know what they said yet. Cause now I'm, now I'm trying to get my bearings cause I'm trying to figure out what's going on. Cause you ain't found, I know you haven't found anything except maybe a pipe for one of the girls. I don't know, but they didn't find anything. And, um, I'm getting arrested or whatever. And I got this bad ass hardly sitting in my garage, bro. Custom badass. And, uh, they put me in, uh,"
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"start_time": 5040.247,
"text": " Ford Explorer, I think it was. Put me in the Explorer and we're in San Bernardino and we're going to Riverside, which is half an hour drive. Now, this is why not using drugs, I think, helps you, helps me, is the cop wants to chop it up with me in the car. But I know this dude's recording. I know. Right. He says, hey man, that's a nice Harley. I don't even say a word. I don't even comment. I don't give a bat an eye. I don't do anything. And he's"
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"index": 189,
"start_time": 5070.435,
"text": " Asking me a few other questions because I guess he tried to start with the Harley, but I ain't even talking to this dude I didn't say the word and he goes, oh, you're not gonna say nothing, huh? And even when he said, well, you're not gonna say nothing. I didn't say nothing. I'm not saying shit so they get me to this federal building and Take me up the elevator. I'm stealing. I got a t-shirt on now, but I'm in my underwear still right They take me up to some office or whatever and holding cell but it wasn't prison"
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"index": 190,
"start_time": 5099.855,
"text": " Something like that. It wasn't even a cell, I don't think. It was like a room. Is it wrong that I want to know? Are these boxer briefs? Boxers. Just for the mental picture. Alright, so it's not that bad. If you want to look at it like that. But these dudes' suits, you know how they wear. They come in. Come with me. This is where shit starts happening now. Shit starts getting real now."
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"start_time": 5129.974,
"text": " Because right now I'm like, they got nothing, right? They take me to the room, set me down, and there's a recorder right there. They say, hey, they're kind of cocky too, right? Say, listen to this. Click. And it's my voice talking to my connect, talking about blah, blah, blah. And they only play it for like 15, 20 seconds. Is this a phone call or an in-person? Phone call. OK."
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"start_time": 5160.776,
"text": " Phone call. Do you have any idea this has been going on? No. Nothing. Okay. No warning. I'm going to get to this. I don't know the guy. He just brings me drugs, bro. Right. And I pay him. I don't know his name. I don't know. He's a phone number. I don't know nothing about him, which helped me, but I really don't. I don't know anything about him. I don't know anything about the conspiracy. They stopped the tape. Anything you want to tell us? I said, now I'm fucking sorry."
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"start_time": 5191.305,
"text": " I'm getting cocky. I said, yeah, I think I need a lawyer and I'll say nothing. Yeah, it ends right then. They take me to the holding cell and in my holding cell, there's my connect. He's in the holding cell with me. Do you know it's him? Oh, I know it's him. Sorry. I don't know his name. I know it's him. And, um,"
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"start_time": 5214.462,
"text": " We're kind of talking a little bit, but see, I'm naive. I've never been arrested, right? I'm naive. What's going on? He, he could have been wearing a wire, right? He could have been setting me up because I didn't know the game until I got to, you know, the federal, uh, County jail where I'm staying there for 28 months and I'm hearing the people's stories coming in and out. And I learned the game, but at that time, I don't know, he could have been wearing a wire, right? Cause he's trying to, he's the kingpin. There's like 14 of us. He's the kingpin dude. Right."
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"start_time": 5243.097,
"text": " So they were catching him. I just got the wave. I was their bonus, right? I'm, I'm, I'm like, and my crime, he's on there too. My co-defendant, right? He's on there too. So, um, he's on the tape or he's locked up with you. He's locked up. So they grabbed you all at the same time. No, he, he was grabbed separately. He wasn't in, he wasn't in there with us. They caught him separately. So,"
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"text": " We go in to the judge and I don't even really know what they say, but I'm in my underwear and I'm in a t-shirt and tell you the truth. I don't even know what they said. Like conspiracies, whatever. I don't even, they're talking a language I don't understand. Right. Cause I don't even know what a conspiracy is, dude. Right. Co-defendant that I don't know anything. I'm naive. We get back into the holding cell."
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"index": 197,
"start_time": 5297.91,
"text": " And there's this dude in there, we're talking and they bring us Subway sandwiches, dude. And I'm like, this ain't that bad. Subway. It's Subway, man. Right. And, and, but the guy in there says, Hey, when you come to court in Riverside, you get Subway. It's not cool. But the food, the food in the county is not that bad. It's not that bad where I'm going. It's not that bad. So boom, they send me up. I ain't getting out."
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"text": " I'm in the holding cell at the county waiting to get to my pot. And these pods aren't like federal there. It's, it's an old jail. It's a county jail that they put feds in. And most of them, half of them ended up going to the fed. What do you call it? You said earlier, I never went there. The U S marshal holdover. Yeah. Holdover. I never went there. I stayed my whole 28 months at the county. So I'm in the holding cell and I'm hearing dudes talking."
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"text": " 18 years, 12, I'm not talking about my case, 18 years, 12 years, feds this, feds that, feds this, and I'm like, what? 18, dude, I'm in my mind, I'm not commenting, I don't know these dudes. I'm like, 18 years, struts bro, I've only heard people three years, four years, whatever, six years, I ain't kill anyone."
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"start_time": 5376.903,
"text": " You know how many times I've heard that? Yeah. I could have got less time for manslaughter. Not me, but other people. I've been out eight years for manslaughter. I got 18 with, you know, a pound and a half or whatever. So I'm in there hearing this and now I'm getting concerned. I'm getting concerned, bro. I'm like 18 years, 12 years, 14 years, blah, blah, blah. I'm getting concerned. I'm in hot water. But in my mind, they didn't caught nothing."
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"index": 201,
"start_time": 5406.681,
"text": " They don't have anything, right? They don't have anything. I go up in the holding cell and I go up into, you know, the pod. There's like 45 of us. This is where I'm going to live for the next 28 months, right? But I don't know it at the time. I'm in there. I'm hearing stories. I'm learning game. I'm peeping game. Mind you, I got a lot of money, bro. I got good money. I'm good. I got good money. Made a lot of money. Guys in there get in store."
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"index": 202,
"start_time": 5436.681,
"text": " Whatever I'm getting store in the beginning, right? I'm good in the beginning. You're smiling like, Oh shit, it's coming. And it is cause it's drugs and you don't get nothing back. You don't get no returns. You don't get no refunds. People that owe you money. That's gone. You can't do none. That's gone. Even your best friend that owes you money. You ain't getting that bro. So I'm in there. It's funny. The same guys that will rip you off for what they owe you don't want you to tell on them."
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"index": 203,
"start_time": 5466.271,
"text": " Oh, you stitching on me? You owe me 40 grand! Fuck you! Cut your fucking throat! I'm three months in. I'm three months in and I know now, oh, we're going to get bail, right? You got a right to bail. Everybody gets a right to bail. I get there, I got three kids. I've been working a job for 18 years. I go there, the feds don't give you bail, but I don't know this, right? I'm naive."
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"index": 204,
"start_time": 5496.732,
"text": " My dad comes down, he's there at the hearing, and my mom has already passed, so my dad comes down and they're like, hey, no, you ain't getting bail, you're at flight risk. Flight risk? What do you mean flight risk? How am I at flight risk? I'm not arguing, but in my mind, I'm pissed, because how am I at flight risk? I got three kids, I don't have a passport, where am I going? Never lived anywhere but California. Never lived anywhere but California, but you ain't getting bail, bro, unless you got a house. They do everything they can not to give you bail."
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"start_time": 5526.015,
"text": " Now if you were cooperating, of course you would probably get bail. You say, I didn't know that at the time. Right. They'd be like, of course you're going to get bail, buddy. No, no bail for me. And I could have maybe got bail if my dad would have put up his house. But my dad's old school. He's Mexican. Remember nine brothers, 10 brothers, nine brothers. He's the number nine. My dad's hard. It's hard like that. It's cool. But at the time I'm pissed."
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"start_time": 5554.394,
"text": " At the time, I'm like, dude, you're my dad. Where you think I'm going to go? Like, you know, I'm not going nowhere, but I'm not arguing with them in my mind. I'm thinking this and no bail for John. So. Oh, God. OK, so now I've already been there three months and I know now a little bit of the game, not a lot. I'm going to be there a while. I'm going to be there a while because this is feds. You ain't going to trial. You ain't getting none of that."
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"start_time": 5583.763,
"text": " Are you still thinking they don't have anything? Or by now you're starting to realize? At that time I'm screwed bro. I know already. Is this just from the other inmates or have you talked to an attorney yet?"
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"start_time": 5602.5,
"text": " I am screwed. Oh, you got the discovery? Yeah, I'm screwed. You saw the, the only thing they found was the pipe from your girlfriend? They didn't find anything. They didn't find anything? But I think when we were talking, like the only thing they could have found was a pipe. Right. But they were probably like, I'm here for him and I wasn't there. I ran. Right. So three months in, um, I'm like, um, what's the guy in the Bible who has his hair long? Samson. Samson. I'm Samson, dude. I got long hair, right?"
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"start_time": 5632.961,
"text": " I'm three months in, I still got long hair. After three months, I don't have long hair no more, dude. I shaved it. Right. Why? I ain't going nowhere, bro. I ain't going nowhere. You'll be here a while. I ain't going nowhere. This home. I'm not going nowhere. I'm gonna be there for a while. What's happened to your house?"
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"start_time": 5650.947,
"text": " Uh, I was a renter. I was renting. Oh, okay. So what about your stuff? Oh, you like this? All the stuff's gone, dude. I knew that you're six weeks in the twin girls. They sold it all, kept it all. And you know, they came to visit me here and there, both of them, right? Not together, but both of them. And, uh, two months in, two and a half months in, I got no more money. I'm broke. I got no store. I got no nothing. I'm broke, but I'm smart."
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"start_time": 5679.224,
"text": " And I'm crafty and I'm figuring out the game, but it takes a minute because the people that run the game in the county have the game until they leave. Right? So I'm getting there more time and I'm scoping and my turn is coming up to run game, but I I'm not there yet. So I'm broke. I tell the twin girls, I says, you know what? Cause they're like, Oh, we're gonna get married. One of them, I'm going to marry you, blah, blah, blah. Hey, just go. You're a headache."
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"start_time": 5706.476,
"text": " You were a headache when I was out and I had money. But I had to deal with you. You're a headache. I know I got 10 years coming in my mind, somewhere in there. I got 10 years coming. I'm better off by myself. And I'm seeing guys on the phone. Stress box. I ain't stressing no more, bro. That's why they call it a stress box. I forgot that. I'm not stressing, dude. I'm not stressing no more because I know where I'm going. I know what I got to do. I know the game."
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"text": " And I'm learning in the, in the, in the county. And the first thing I started doing is I'm running a casino now. Right. I'm the casino guy. So we run, uh, we're using the cut up, uh, cards. We've cut up cards for chips. You buy in when you run out, you're out winter. It's like tournament. Right. But I get, I get an item. I take an item out of every tournament and we're running two, three a day. Right."
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"start_time": 5763.387,
"text": " So I'm cool. Now I got store coming. I'm running, I'm running the game. Um, my case, you know, I'm, I'm learning the game. I'm, I'm learning what people do, what they don't do, how they do it, how much time, who goes where, how goes where. And I'm talking to this one dude, his name's Kane, but I'm not going to say his last name is Kane. And it's like 16 months in."
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"start_time": 5792.312,
"text": " But let's rewind real quick, because I know you could clip this. Let's rewind. Just back up, back up a minute. Angel. In the beginning, I get locked up. I'm not seeing him. I don't know where he's at. I don't know what he's doing. I don't know. What about the grandmother? I don't know where they're at. I think they're in Hollywood, but I don't know. Right. No one's seen Jennifer, his mom. No one's seen him."
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"text": " no one's helping me remember i got no family which we'll get into later i got no family what about the ex-wife the ex-wife she's out she's doing her thing she's cool but it just didn't you can only ask so much yeah um and uh as we i'm in their learning game i haven't heard of angel i hear he's sick though i hear he has a disease"
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"text": " but I don't know what it is yet at this time. I can't confirm nothing, right? I don't know nothing. Cause you're in prison, you hear a lot of stories or whatever. So I'm a year in, I finally get his phone number. I get a phone number to grandma and I'm like, I'm going to get to talk to my son, see what's going on. I call grandma, grandma Kathy,"
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"text": " Hey, where's Angel? It's like nine o'clock at night after count at 30. Because I probably got it. I probably called. How do I get the phone number? I got a thing from my ex wife. So after dinner, whatever I called, she gave it to me. I called grandma. Grandma says call tomorrow. He's in bed. I'll say okay. I saw call tomorrow. Same time. I called him tomorrow. I never hear from her again. For all the years I spent in there. I never heard from her again."
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"text": " never heard about angel again never heard anything in retrospect because i didn't know the whole game in retrospect i think if i would have told my lawyer and especially at sentencing listen i'm a criminal i need help i know you're going to sentence me and i know i'm going to do some time but i need to see my son i don't know where my son is i have no contact i hear he's sick i think the feds would have found him i think that"
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"text": " I think your lawyer would make some phone calls, I think. But I didn't think of that, you know, because I just didn't think of it, you know, I have time to do. So that's about a year in. I talked to Kane. Kane tells me, you got to tell them what happened. You got, you got a, you got a snitch, I guess, right? Right. But in my case, I didn't know anyone."
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"text": " They could ask me a thousand questions. I don't know. Where does he live? I don't know. Where does he get? I don't know. I don't even know his name. Right. They have all the recall. This is the phone number I call. The guy meets me with some what the fuck? That's that's all I know. I know nothing about nothing. And everybody's already been picked up. They've all been picked up. Are they already cooperated? I know nothing. So when I basically when I tell them what happened, I'm just telling on myself. Right. I'm not I have nothing to give."
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"start_time": 5979.65,
"text": " And they know everything I probably already anyway, right? They already know everything. So I just have to do my part so I could get a downward departure. Right. Okay. But again, they already knew it all and they already snitched because he told me, Oh, I already know they did. My lawyers already know they did because I don't know how they know, but they're saying they already signed off or something or whatever, but you couldn't prove it. But he's like, I already know they did. So, and then my crimey, the kingpin, he left."
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"text": " And he went back to back, he went to, he went to federal, federal holding and the federal holding that they go. I heard that that federal holding like that's where they take people that tell not everyone, but if you're in the County, cause it was a shit hole where I was at and you snitch, they move you out. Cause you ain't no help. Like it ain't like you can get some bad news in the County that you it's, it's easier to do in the County than it is to do in the federal holding. Let's say that."
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"text": " So I go do that and now I'm just waiting and 16 months, 18 months go by. And mind you, I'm in there 28 months and I'm like, Oh man, sentencing date comes and then it gets pushed back. And you know, in the feds, if you, if you, um, they shut down, uh, the courts and the transportation in December for like two months, two weeks, I'm sorry, two weeks. So I get sentenced."
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"text": " like in October and you know, 26 months in and I'm like, and it usually takes four weeks to get out of there. I've, I've been there 28 months. I know how it works. Right? Yeah. You see the guys get sentenced and they're gone. They're gone. I'm in there four weeks and I'm like, I'm still here and it's November. And then another week goes by, another week goes by. I call my lawyer and, um,"
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"start_time": 6095.162,
"text": " I says, Hey dude, I'm still here, man. Like it's been seven weeks. I should be gone. And he says, um, Oh, I'm going to check into it. I'm going to check into it. Okay. But there's important, there's important part of the story. How much time did you get? Uh, I did four years, 10 months. I think I got, it's like 48, 56 months, something like that. It's been 12, 13 years, but here's the kicker. Here's where the craftiness and the brains come in."
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"text": " where I got four years off my sentence. Oh yeah. And I didn't have to say a word to tell Snitch. And this is what I did. Not everyone does this. This is what I did. My lawyer comes. It's like on a Sunday and it's, he comes to the county, he says, it didn't work out as well as I thought, but I have your, what do they call it? Plea agreement, I guess. Sentencing or whatever. And they want to give you 12 years."
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"text": " 12 years, 144 months, but I'm thinking seven, eight that because I've been around, right? I've been around. I've heard, I've known the stories. I know what happened. I know who did what. And I was like, okay, so I'm reading it. This is the kicker. This is it right here. He says, Oh, seven pounds of methamphetamine at 95% pure. And I look at him and I says, like, you're him. I says, Hey,"
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"text": " That wasn't 95% pure. He says, how much was it? And this is where I got saved me four years because how much was it? I says, I'm not going to tell you. I'm not going to tell you what it is. How do you know it wasn't 95%? Because I know it wasn't 95%. So it turns out that they never tested it."
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"text": " So instead of it being seven pounds and 95 or 98% purity, it was seven pounds of a mixture. That was the word, a mixture of methamphetamine. Right. So now that took me down, boom, boom, boom, boom, down the departure. And that's where I got. So it was what three pounds ended up being three pounds of actual. I don't know how nobody knew they didn't test it because that's why I told them. I said, I'm not going to tell you."
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"start_time": 6239.787,
"text": " You got to tell me, they got to tell me what it was. Right. But I'm telling you right now, it wasn't 95%. Did they test it? No, I don't think they did because they never came back. They just came back. They just said, okay, we'll drop that charge down. We'll just give them what it was. Right. We'll just, the magical 98% purity. We'll just, yeah, he's right. Like you try to catch me, you know, like anyone else even know, cause they don't know. Yeah. Oh, I guess it was, you know, let's see, can we get two years off? Can we try? No, dude, I'm not going to tell you."
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"text": " You gotta tell me. And they never did. That's where I got the time off. So when you walked in front of the judge, they said what, how much? Seven pounds of a mixture. Okay, but I'm saying what was the time? Oh, 58 months, something like that. Well, you're saying 58 months."
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"text": " I did four years, 10 months, but you know, you got a good time and you got the halfway house that I did. No, no, I'm saying before you got a downward departure, was it like 10 years and they knocked off 40% or 50%? It would have been like nine probably. Nine, yeah, yeah, okay. So they knocked off like 40%, 30, 40%, okay."
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"text": " So your pre-sentence report said 12 years, you got it down to about nine and then they dropped it to just shy of five years? Yeah. But again, the preface is when they say, oh, this guy's a snitch or whatever, look man, they already knew everything. They already had it on tape. They didn't just have it with words. They had it all on recordings. I didn't give them nothing."
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"text": " except for what happened to me, because I had nothing else to give. But I'm just saying, I had no other information from me to help them with anything except me. And they had me anyway. The guys were probably going to testify against me anyway, so I might as well just tell them myself."
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"text": " So you're preaching the choir. I'm with you. I hear you. You did the right thing. Trust me. You made the right call. That's the game. That's why I'm glad I didn't get bail because I wouldn't have had this knowledge if I didn't, if I got bail. So it was great that I didn't, because also the time was hard in the county, 28 months. Where did I go after they sentenced me? I went to a camp, bro."
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"text": " Listen, did you not hear the whole time you were locked up? Like, I just want to get sent us and go to prison many times and never made sense to me. Prison was the whole was the was much worse than this. They were like, the guys are like, are you fucking serious? Prison is a fucking joke compared to this, especially I was in the county, bro."
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"text": " Guys are like, I'm gonna, you understand, I'm gonna hit the compound that night. I'm gonna have a fucking ice cream. I'm going to have that. You're like, what ice cream creamer? Yeah. Flavored creamer in your coffee, bro. It's crazy. Like it's amazing from being out here, how low your expectations get of life in the county jail. You're like, if I could actually have a TV of my own, like I would hear about guys in California got up their own TV. That's a"
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"text": " You have your own TV like we you know you would have the TV you'd write down like I want to watch this program on Sunday night and then you'd have to write down and other guys be like nah fuck that we're watching such-and-such oh you didn't write it down you know oh my god they're like I'm watching such-and-such and you're like okay I guess you're watching such-and-such thank you I'll make sure I write it down next week"
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"text": " Sorry, my fault. My fault. So sad. Yeah, I wrote it on the list. I don't see your name. It's on there Oh, I see it right here. Yeah, I see it. I see it. Yeah, you got it. You got it. You got it. So So check this out finally, I get to They sent me to"
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"text": " Victorville. Okay. But that's not where I go. They got a transition. That's where they fly people out, bus people out, blah, blah, blah. But lucky me, I go there at Christmas time. So now I got a set in Victorville's 10 man holding cell with an hour day out for two weeks. So"
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"text": " Kind of lucky, fortunate, whatever. I meet this one homie and he says, hey, he says, where are you going? I said, I'm going to Atwater. Hey, tell the guy who gives the closeout. I said, what's up? Whatever. I forgot his name, what his name was. Say Steve, whatever. I said, okay, cool, cool. So boom, I get to county. I'm going to get to, I go in, there's Atwater high level and there's an Atwater camp. So I'm with dudes,"
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"text": " dudes yeah okay and i'm with a few campers right oh yeah but i don't tell them i'm a camper i don't say shit you're in the fucking bus these guys these guys look like fucking gladiators they're cut up they got bullet holes in them they're missing eyes they're they're like this the whole time with the box on they got a box on they're like this the whole time you can tell the camp guys are just like"
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"text": " No, I wasn't like that. Oh my God! Look at you! No, I wasn't like that. No. Bro, I'm not even pretending to be hard. No, I'm not hard, but I wasn't like that. Because I was in county for 28 months. I got into fights, okay? I've been in fights my whole life here and there, so I'm not like, I'm not the tough guy, I'm not the guy who says, I'm not that guy. I don't know. But I've thrown some a few. Those nails look manicured. So what happened?"
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"text": " I get in the county and they got to give you the clothes as soon as you get there, separate from the big dorms, big dorms, like 125, 40 people. I don't know. So I get there and the guy who passed out the clothes, I forgot his name, same Steve. Hey, your homeboy, so and so said to say, what's up. And he gives me good clothes, right? Cause you know, whatever. And then I walk into the doors, into the, and mind you, I've done 28 months with some dudes. Okay. I've done, and I got some like,"
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"text": " I've done some time, not serious, 28 months in county, some time, bro. Right. I walk into the camp and it's a lot of people and it's kind of quiet ish compared to where I was at because everyone's got headphones. We didn't have headphones in the county. So one of the homies comes up to me and they're showing me the layout. Here's bathroom, but there's no politics in, in pretty much at all in the camp. It's a camp. Yeah. Showing me around, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."
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"text": " And then there's like seven, eight other dudes there, homies. And, um, he tells me as we're walking, Hey, what'd you do? I say, I mean, I just got into some bullshit. And, uh, so we're walking around and he says, stop for whatever introduced, whatever. And he says, Hey man, some of these guys, and I'm gonna get a little loud right now, just so you know, he says, some of these guys said, Oh, you might be a snitch."
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"text": " And I'm like, oh, I'm pissed because I'm like, wait a minute here, dude. We're in a camp, bro. We're not with no hard criminals here. Right. So everybody snitched in this place, bro. If 98% of the people snitch, I'm not telling them this, but I'm like, Hey dude, no."
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"text": " Cause in my mind, I know you all snitched. You're on camp. You ain't no hard criminal. 98% of the people snitch and you're telling me you're the select few because this is a hard camp. No, dude. This is a camp. This is a camp. You all snitched. There's no hard camp. No, there is no hard camp. There's shitty camps. Yeah. There's some hard people in there that have come down. Some. But they're also not politic and they're not like wanting to check people's paperwork and come on. None. None. So I'm like,"
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"text": " I'm pissed because first of all, I'm no chomo. Right. Because you can't be in a camp if you're a chomo. Right. So I ain't that. And you're going to be worried if I'm a snitch when we're in a camp. Yeah. Nah. So I said, I'm not sleeping around you guys. I'm sleeping over here. And that's where I stood. Do you know why? Because I'm a prick. That's why I'm a prick. I know I'm an asshole sometimes. Right. And I don't care."
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"text": " And whatever's on, it's on, I guess, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to be, it wasn't really homies in the camp. Right. So I'm not going to be over there. I'll be over here. So I do my time in the camp. Mind you, it's now 29 months. I, and I'm, I'm cool. Cause I know it's a, I'm watching a super bowl. We got creamered coffee. Right. I'm working in the kitchen. Cause they told me you don't got no money. You got to work. Go, go to the kitchen, go work in a kitchen, go work in a kitchen. I'm working in the kitchen."
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"text": " I got easy time, bro. I'm in a camp as far as if you got to do time goes, right? And no one's really fighting much, not much bigger. No one wants to leave the camp. So I get there, um, still no angel talking to my kids on the phone. Um,"
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"text": " In my process now, now I'm starting to think,"
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"text": " What's the game plan for getting out? What's life's plan? What's the game plan? What's going on? You're not getting out to nothing. Yeah. And I'm getting out to nothing. And I know I'm not getting out to nothing. What are you going to do, John? Internally, what am I going to do? Well, like I said, I'm not being arrogant. I'm a good looking guy. I'm going to come out shredded."
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"text": " I'm going to come out looking the best I can look. Some guys want to come out bulk, but for some reason I don't put on a lot of muscle, but I can come out shredded with muscle. And I come out after county, I'm shredded bro. And I hit the halfway house. So basically in the county, it was just pretty much easy time, softball, regular, you know, no big stories, nothing big happened. Um, I got to see my kids and hug them after,"
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"text": " Three years, because in the county you couldn't touch anyone. They came and visited me one time, my dad brought them. So when they came to the visiting room, I got to hug them. Mind you enough, you do get furloughs. I don't know if they do it now, but back in the camp then, you got furloughs. So they don't get furloughs anymore? Not in the camp, not in Coleman. I was never in Coleman, but I know guys that are in Coleman, they're not doing anything. Well, the only"
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"text": " I know that camps when they move you from camp to camp, they give you like a bus ticket. Yes. You know, like, but no, I don't know anybody that's ever like gone for like a weekend. What year is this?"
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"text": " Plus, by the way, this is also California, right? Okay, so you got a weekend furlough, I think the first time, because I wasn't there long enough, the first time you got 24 hours, not 24, I'm a liar, you get like 12 hours, 14 hours, and then actually there was some guys, if you had done like five, six years there, eventually you got a weekend, it wasn't often, I don't even remember how often it was, but I remember when my dad came and visited me, it was a day before my birthday, and I planned my furlough,"
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"text": " Cause it's in September on my birthday. So I got to furlough out on my birthday and spend it with my kids and, um, uh, and my dad. So my dad lives by Atwater. So we went to, that's why they sent me to Atwater because I basically told him, send me wherever you want. Cause I got no family. It don't really matter. The closest camp was Taft, but I was thinking, I don't really care. I don't have a lot of time left. So send me wherever you want to send me. It didn't matter."
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"text": " But they sent me an ad water cause that's the address I put because that was my dad's. I didn't have an address. Right. So my dad would visit me here and there. Cool. Came visit me. Um, so, um, I get them, I get to spend the birthday with my kids, get back. I got a new pair of tennis. I'm happy cause you could bring tennis in and they didn't trip, you know, um, I'm running the kitchen. I'm,"
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"text": " I got vegetables, I got real eggs, I'm cool, I got things going on. I'm cooking for some dudes or whatever. So he's saying that he worked in the kitchen because in the kitchen you can get extra food, you can sell food, you smuggle food out, you get to sell it, that's your hustle. Yeah, yeah, yeah."
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"text": " Yeah, I would sell food, chicken, because they make tacos and nachos later when it was chicken day or whatever. Fish, we had fish, so I'd fry the fish. Hot wings. Wednesday, hamburger day. Yeah, I don't know what day was what day for that. I don't think it was like that with the, yeah, they did, but I don't remember what day it was. I don't remember. We used to get hamburgers on Wednesdays. It's good stuff. Hamburgers and french fries. Or chicken leg quarters. That was cool."
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"text": " But I wanted to say, cause I saw you on some of your podcasts, you said on one of your podcasts, you said, um, what was I going to do? I had 18 years or whatever many years you had to do. I forgot the number at 26 years. What am I going to do? Stay to myself? You know, I got to mingle. I got to mingle with some people, right? I got too much time. I still myself. I didn't have a lot of time left. I was like, I'm not dealing with these dudes, you know, and I dealt with very few. I knew I had,"
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"text": " You know, so little time, 14 months, it's a long time, but for the feds it wasn't, I guess. Right. So I kind of just did to myself, did my time, worked out, had workout partners, cool dudes, good dudes, TV, games. I'm a sports fanatic, a lot of sports. A lot of sports betting going on everywhere. Not me, but a lot of that. So,"
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"text": " Now we're getting to the part with the angel part, right? Right. And I know people are going to be like, nah, that's, that's bullshitted. It couldn't happen that way, but it's kind of like a fairy tale story, dude. Like I'm three weeks from the house going to halfway house. Okay. And, um, still no contact with angel, nothing. And then, um, my ex-wife, I'm calling my kids and she gets on the phone and she says angels in foster care."
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"text": " And I have a phone number for you to call. This whole time I'm thinking he's with grandma. I don't know any different. So I get the phone number, I go to my case manager the next morning. Cause you know, you have certain phone numbers you can call with the feds. You can't just call out the numbers. Yeah. Yeah. You can't. Yeah. It's got to go to a, well, yeah. And even if you call foster care, it's going to go to a, like it's going to go to a system. You got to push seven. Well, I can't push seven because you have to answer the call. Right. You know, the phone system doesn't answer the call. Right."
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"text": " I go to my case manager, case worker, whatever we call him from his phone. I'm John. I'm Angel's dad. I'm going to be out in three weeks. I want them. What do I need to do? How do I need to do it? And they really didn't tell me how I need to do it. They were basically like, call us when you get out. Right. So boom, I get out. And for those of you who have done time, maybe five to four years isn't a lot for a lot of people. Maybe it is for a lot of people."
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"text": " But it's the greatest day of your life. I was so euphoric when I saw my dad at the bus stop. I was like, oh, freedom. I was so happy. I'd done my four years, 10 months and I'm happy. And instead of taking the bus, my dad drove me to San Bernardino to the halfway house. So I get his phone and"
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"text": " I'm sorry, I called CPS or whatever. I'm out. What do I need to do? How do I need to do it? Blah, blah, blah. He's got a court case in like three weeks. He's in foster care, whatever. How long had he been in foster care? Two years. See, I didn't know that. He was in foster care when I called grandma. When she said he was asleep. Oh, what she didn't want to tell you? Uh-uh. Okay."
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"text": " No. And the bummer thing about it is if had I known, I know my ex-wife would have taken them. She got three of my kids. She'd have taken them. He'd never had to been in foster care. Right. I got brother and sister that I think if I would have called them, they might have taken them to better than foster care. Um, what about, so why did grandma say she, uh, called foster or they just show up? What happened? I don't know. Okay. I really, I really don't know. I never asked because I got to, I'm laser focused."
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"text": " Right. That don't matter to me anymore. Right. How he got there doesn't matter. I get it. I'm out. What do I need to do to get him? Right. That's it. That's the most important thing. Whatever else happened, it don't matter. Right. I got to get my son. What do I need to do to get my son? So I get to the halfway house. We call him again."
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"text": " He's got a court date like two, three weeks later, whatever have you. And I hit the court. I, my dad bought me a truck. He got me a truck when I got out, um, a used truck, but I had, I had, I didn't have any money. I didn't have anything. So I was busing it. Here's a guy who was bawling, making 15 grand a week comes out and he's taking the bus, right? No money. And that's what I was doing. I hear you. So my dad buys me the car, the truck,"
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"text": " And I go to the first visit, I got two of my kids with me and we meet at a park and he comes up to me, dude. Can't even describe the feeling, bro. How old was he at this point? Six, seven, four and a half, five, five. OK. And we hug. He he's not a shy shy, but"
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"text": " scared maybe I guess or something. But he knew I was dad, not because he remembered, but they told him he's smart. And we hugged and we played and we got an hour and it was great. And yeah, that's how it worked out the first time. But let me tell you, rewind just real quick to the court. When I walk into the court, the very first time, they're pissed. I'm stand up. I'm"
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"text": " I'm John Rodriguez. I'm, I'm Angel's dad. The judge looks at me. I've been gone for years, right? And, uh, his attorney, cause the kids have an attorney, right? She goes like, where you been? And I'm not saying much, you know, I'm here. What do I need to do? How do I need to do it? Yeah, whatever. And that's when they set up the visitations. So we got the visitations, but right when I walked out the door, cause I'm telling him, I want to get my son."
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"text": " My son's lawyer says it out. We'll see."
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"text": " We'll see what you do cocky, you know, but I'm laser focused. I don't care what you say. Yeah. Yeah. It's irrelevant. She didn't have to be nice to me. No, but because I know at that time I'm getting my son and you have to think about what she sees. Right. She, she didn't, she didn't see a lot of fucking winners walking through the door. You know, she didn't see a lot of people that a lot of people promise big, you know, I'll bet she's seen thousands of people come in there and see and say, Oh, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that and do that. And next thing you know, they're back in prison or they're back on drugs or shit. They don't even hear them for,"
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"text": " She's seen a lot. And like I said, what she says don't matter. What anyone says doesn't matter because I know where I'm going. I don't know how I'm going to get there because I don't know career path. I don't know exactly what's going on, but I just know I'm going to get them because I'm not going to do anything not to get them. So I'm working for an air conditioning company as a gopher."
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"text": " Cause I got to get a job, right? I mean, you can't walk out and be a CEO or a manager or something. You got to grind. So for the felons out there or whatever that we talked about earlier, just go get any job and kick ass at it. Be the best. If you got to work at a donut shop, you make those donut circles and you put that circle donut and you frost it right. And you make that look like you creased your pants on going on a visit. You know what I'm saying? And you kick ass for six months."
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"text": " So when you go to the restaurant that you want to be a worker at or a real construction or whatever kind of job, you say, look, I know I'm a felon. I know that I had problems, but I've been working at this donut factory and I've been there for six months. I never missed a day and I never been late. Now I want to come work for you. Let me tell you what I could do. Right. You know, and that's what I did as the gopher. I'm the nobody."
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"text": " But cool. My ex-wife got me the job because I got to get out of the halfway house while I was working. Mind you, I got no family. I got no money. I got the truck. My dad's family, but he's 400 miles away. Yeah. So I got nothing. He can't get you a job. His brothers can't get you a job. They're 400 miles away. And so I'm there and I see a little riff raff and whatever, the halfway house. I'm not involved. I get my truck. I do that."
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"text": " And then my ex wife gets me and I'm going to the court. I'm going not I think there was a couple court dates, but it was more visits, one hour visits once a week, never late. The foster care lady. I only got an hour and you were getting an hour and one minute you weren't getting an hour and three minutes like wrap it up dude 58 minutes, you know, and again, I'm focused. Whatever you do as mean as you want to be. I don't care. I'm getting my son. So then"
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"text": " I'm talking, I actually met grandma for the first time, grandma Kathy, after I got out at one of Angel's doctor visits. So can we pause real quick? We haven't gone, we haven't gone into his disease yet. Right. We got to bring that up. Yeah. Yeah. Bring it up now. So is now the first doctor visit like the right time? Yeah. You, yeah. I mean, why not? Okay. So that's what I wanted. Cause we hadn't done it. Yeah. Yeah. You had, you know, I would just say you had noticed"
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"text": " just before you left that he had some issues, but you didn't really know where it was. Can I get another Coke? Yeah. Cool. I got it. Okay. Well, okay. It's in the fridge. Uh, chest, chest height, the in the back. All right. I had to sit up straight. Okay."
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"text": " So the first time I see grandma for the first time, and mind you, I'm shredded. I wasn't shredded going in. It's a little overweight. Not a lot. A little overweight. But right now I weigh about 192. Then I weighed about 162. She didn't even recognize me. She had no idea who I was. And we were sitting 10 feet apart at Angel's IV. He had to get"
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"text": " Take your time. You're pretty, you're fairly normal when you're little. Right. You know, I noticed he was a little off at 18 months, but he will, yeah, maybe he was 16 months, but I couldn't pinpoint it. You know, he fell a little more maybe than others. Okay. But it wasn't noticeable, noticeable, but I knew it when I saw him. But the first doctor visit that I went to for his IV, for his immune system,"
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"text": " Um, that's where I see the grandma and I find out that it just debilitates you and as time goes on, so when I met him, he could walk, but he couldn't stand straight. He could stand up, but he would have to, he would wobble a little bit, but he could, um, he could play, he could run. Right. Um,"
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"text": " to play kickball. He couldn't play baseball, but he could kick a ball and walk. So I have my own apartment. We're at the doctor's. That's where I meet her. She's like, Hey, are you blah, blah, blah? And I was like, Yeah, I can't because I was like, Kathy, Kathy took back like"
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"text": " Hey, it's John. She didn't know. What are you doing here? I'm here, Angel, because the foster care lady is bringing him to the IV. I'm not bringing him to the IV. She's not bringing him to the IV. The foster care lady is bringing him to his doctor appointment. Why was she there? Just to see him? To see him. She loved him. She's a good grandma. She loved him. Things happened. I don't know what, but irrelevant. And she's part of his life and she loves him. I'm not going to be mad at her for whatever happened because"
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"text": " I think all children need love from grandma, grandpa, whoever. And if it's a bonus, keep it. It's a bonus, man. He needs love. So now at this point, me and Angel have our own apartment. It's just me and him. How long does it take for you to get him back? He came after about two months."
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"text": " We had weekend visits, but only with grandma Kathy. Right. Grandma Kathy had to be there for the weekend. Right. And his sister, sister about two years old. She was probably nine then or something. So he came on the weekends and then I took him back Sunday or Monday or whatever it was. Um, the caseworker, his name was Mr. Penrose, Penrose, right? And, uh,"
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"text": " He's come to the house and I says, you know, I know you're going to keep coming to the house. I'm like, you know, it doesn't bother me because I know eventually you're not going to come to the house anymore. Right. Cause the house was spotless and I was a vegetarian and we ate good. Everything was clean. Everything was in order. Exceptional. Like clean freak, like prison. Prison will do that too. Clean. So when they came, it wasn't a problem. Um, this was like August. I remember it was August. Mind you, I've been out since April now."
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"text": " Tell you this, I had an opportunity to get with women when I was out. I had people want to introduce me, my apartment, blah, blah, blah. It's April. I haven't had been with a woman in four and a half years. Right. But I'm laser focused, bro. I'm not getting with no women. I'm not taking no women out. I'm not getting involved with nothing. Until I get my son, I'm getting involved with nothing because my focus is to get my son. So I went out with no one. I called no one. It's going to church stuff, but not"
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"text": " No individual dating, no group dating, nothing because I'm getting my son. I got to get my son. So we get, I get them in August and now they're not coming and they're signed off. No, I'm a liar. We went, he lived with me in August. They signed off in December. Okay. So, but, and we're living by ourselves this whole time since probably June ish."
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"text": " It's just me and him. And it's like, um, I kind of viewed it like the courtship of Betty's father. I don't know if you remember the show where it was the guy who played the Hulk, was it Bill Bixby or something? And he had a sole son. It was just him and his little son. Right. And it was a show about them. Okay. That was me and my son. It was just me and him, nobody else. You know, we out to eat. Um, I'm working now as an apartment manager, but I'm also getting bonuses by, um,"
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"text": " doing clean outs of apartments because it's a big, it's H and J property. They manage like 30 different apartments. I just managed one of them. My ex-wife was the director, so they gave you 150 bucks every time you got to clean an apartment when they left and they left it a mess and they did. I'd make 150 bucks if I cleaned it out. But the bonus was I got to keep something for a yard sale that I could sell at a yard sale to make extra money. So 150 bucks and I might find a hundred dollars worth of whatever."
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"text": " So I was doing that. I cleaned up yards for the apartments. It didn't matter because I work. I don't care what kind of work it is, whatever it is, just tell me what I got to do and I'll do it. And they loved me because I have a good personality and I can talk so I could rent properties. So I, I would rent other apartments in another apartment buildings for them and they'd give me money. Right. So we did that. Um, once December came, I went out on my first date."
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"text": " because now I had my son and now we're good. We're settled in. We have a good relationship, blah, blah, blah. And, um, taking him to his doctor's appointments, taking him to infusions, doing everything that I need to do to, to stay on track. And I'm, I'm cool. I'm not even a problem. I go to Christmas party. I meet a girl, she's an RN. I'm like, cause mind you, when I'm in prison, I have a lot of time to think. Right. And I'm not getting with the girl."
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"text": " That's got two kids living with mom when I get out, right? Cause I don't have nothing. I'm not homeless anymore, but I'll have a lot. I have a good work ethic and I'm smart and I'm crafty, but I'm not getting another anchor. I'm not getting an anchor. I'm not getting, I'm getting a winner, right? Period. I'm getting a winner. She's an RN took her out once."
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"text": " I already knew immediately she wasn't the one. Cause already in my mind, I'm not wasting time dating girls that I know I'm not going to marry, that I know I'm not going to marry. I'm not going to say the first date I know I'm going to marry them. But on the first date, if I know they're not the one, there ain't no sense in starting a sexual relationship because we can and then get twisted into that because I'm not having that. I went out on a second date with this other girl that worked for the county. This is like in early January and, um,"
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"text": " she tells me about 10 minutes into the date, she goes, yeah, sometimes I get drunk. I said, oh yeah, okay, good. I'm playing it off. Cool. Whatever. And right there immediately. Boom. You ain't the one. That's all. That's all you had to tell me. You ain't the one. Well, she said I get drunk. Like I drink too much. She's saying like sometimes I drink too much. No, she was like, if I remember Chris, like sometimes I get drunk like that. Um,"
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"text": " But drunk or whatever, because I don't drink. I don't drink. I still don't drink. I don't smoke. So I want to get with a woman that doesn't drink and doesn't smoke. And when you tell me that you get drunk sometimes, I already know you're not the one. Right. Right. Well, if you're telling me that for the first 10 minutes hit the movies yet, it's probably it's probably more than sometimes. So I get a little drunk and that sounds like sometimes you black out drunk and mind you,"
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"text": " Like I'm ready to go with the woman, you know what I mean? Like I've waited, I've done my time, like in prison, I've done my time and I've had girls come up to me and I'm like, before, I don't initiate, like I don't give them that energy. Even though they're giving me the energy, I'm not giving them the energy, bro. Cause I'm on a mission. So in late January, I'm on my space and I'm, you know, trying to find,"
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"text": " Myspace not Facebook yet. Yeah, I'm on Myspace and you know, I'm trying to meet women or whatever have you and some lucky reason enough my wife replied back, you know and She says hey, I'm at the movies You mind if I call you later and she did and it turns out, you know, she has a house in the hills. She's a principal smart witty pretty good personality and"
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"text": " My wife is a kind of person that she could just make friends with everyone. She's not social, blah, blah, blah, but everybody loves her. Everybody likes her. She's a nice, very extremely nice straight shooter woman, you know, um, educated and all these box are check, check, check, check. And we go out on a date. Okay. I don't know if I'm going to marry you, but Mr."
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"text": " It's a good road. Checking all the boxes. So we're dating for a couple months. It's still me and Angel. And, um, you know, she's a principal. What have her friends? They're all principals. Her best friends from high school. Does she know you just got out of prison? She knows. She knows. Third date. I didn't think you should lead out with that, right? No, it's never worked out for me when I've let out. Right. I never let out with it, but, um,"
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"text": " About the third date I let her know, hey, you know, I got my son and I did prison time. I told her a little bit about it and she was cool with it. But her friends weren't. No. All her friends are, they're not yippity people. They're like upper middle class-ish, right? And I'm a prick. I'm the low life to them. I don't know what they said. Right. But I know they didn't like me. And I know her mom didn't like me."
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"text": " Okay, what? Just prison? What? It's just icing on the cake. But I don't know all this, and we're dating, she loves me now, right? Like, we're cool. And at two months, three months, I'm like, hey, now this, I don't see any signs that this is gonna end. Right. You know, there is no signs that tell me we're not gonna get married. You know, I'm not proposing yet, but I don't see anything wrong with us getting married."
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"text": " So, and I am kind of a loser in a way to the outside world, you know. I live in an apartment. I'm an apartment manager. I've done prison time. I don't have a lot of money. Yeah, it doesn't scream success. No, but I have a good work ethic and I know my wife probably noticed that. And I'm a good dad because now I had my son, right? Yeah. And it's all about my son. I'm staying on the track to get my son. No more visits. It's a fairly normal life. I'm still in the halfway house."
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"text": " I'm not in the halfway house, I'm sorry, but I had the six months in the halfway house where I had to check in, even though I had my apartment, drug test, you know, blah, blah, blah. But I'm all past that. No ankle monitor. No ankle monitor. Because that's hard to explain on a date. What's that? It's a bracelet."
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"text": " And you know if I'd have told my wife it was a bracelet, she'd believe me. That's my wife. That's my wife. I'd say, I bought it at Ross on clearance, it blinks. She'd say, oh really? She'd have believed me. And she's smart. But she's just that way, you know? She'd believe me. Elena is her name, gotta put a name on it. So, but the bummer thing real quick on the halfway house part was, you were in the halfway house, right, and stuff. Did you have family when you came out?"
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"text": " I'm sure I could have stayed with my sister. I wouldn't dare ask to stay with my sister. We don't have that kind of relationship. I'm not going to ask her for anything. At that time, we didn't have a great relationship, I don't think. I had a brother and a sister, but I wouldn't have asked them. I had been enough of a burden."
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"text": " Where'd you go when you left and you left on the weekends? I didn't leave on the weekends. Oh, you didn't? You understand, I spent every single day at the halfway house, seven months and change at the halfway house, just working, spending no money. You know how, I don't know if the house by house you guys have. So at the halfway house, they give you breakfast,"
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"text": " You can pay extra if you want like eggs and things like that, or you can just get the basic breakfast they give you. Like you get like a cereal, oatmeal, that's it. I get cereal and oatmeal. Lunch, same thing. If you want a hamburger, you can pay extra for a hamburger, you can pay extra. Or this is what they give you. And listen, honestly, not bad. I'll take that. Like I didn't pay the extra $3.75 for this or the extra $8 for this because I didn't have any money."
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"text": " And even when I did get, I actually got lucky and I got a check in for something I'd optioned. So I did get money, but that money, I bought a vehicle and paid a year's worth of insurance and the money was gone. So now the money's gone. So I didn't have extra. And even when I was, I was building up money, of course, you know, I'm putting money away, but to me it's like, okay, well, if I want to spend an extra eight bucks a day, well, eight bucks a day times the amount of time that"
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"text": " You see what I'm saying? Like, you started adding up, okay, well that's an extra 400 and some odd dollars and the truth is, I'm okay with cereal. I wouldn't have had $3.75 to give them anyway. Right. For me. Right. But I mean, even when you started working, like the money goes in my... But I only made minimum wage and I worked 30 hours a week and they took 25%. They took 25% for me. I worked, luckily, I worked every hour you were available to leave the halfway house. I worked. But when you did the math, it was minimum wage. Yeah. So, it was still a chunk."
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"text": " But it was cool to get away. I do whatever you can do. Well, you can pay me nothing. Yeah. And just let me stay out of the halfway house. Absolutely. So loud. So many people always yelling and screaming and having to clean or this and that. You can't sleep. You can't do anything. It just sucks. How come they didn't let you leave if you wanted to for Saturday and come back Saturday night? Because they did with us."
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"text": " But keep in mind, it has to be someplace that has like a phone. They have to go and they check it out and all these things. And, you know, like, I don't really have anywhere I want to go or go. And I can work on Saturday, Sunday, of course, whatever I need to get done on Sunday, I'll do that. And, you know, there was no reason to do that. And that seemed, it didn't."
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"text": " There were lots of people that did it and of course everybody also wants to get, they also want to get an ankle monitor and go home, right? Like my wife went home immediately. See, I didn't get an ankle monitor even when I went home, when I had my place. Every halfway house is different. Yeah, they didn't have that, they didn't have pay extra, you didn't pay extra for anything. See, like in Miami and Orlando, like everybody will talk about like the halfway house and supposedly in like,"
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"text": " Oh God, Ocala, like everybody's like, bro, it's sweet. Like, you know, like the first week they'll give you a weekend pass. They give you this. They give you that. It was extremely hard and I would have much rather stayed in prison and done the seven extra months in prison than having gone there. But I need I knew I needed to go to the halfway house because I needed to make money. I need to save money. Yeah, I like the halfway house way better. Oh, no. To me, because I got to get out. I saw my I had kids. I had to see my kids. But but it's different, too. I have nobody to get out to. Like I have my mom."
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"text": " My mom came to see me every two weeks anyway and honestly I didn't get to the only way I was able to see my mom was to basically bullshit him you know my my job would run interference for me they'd say oh yeah he's here he's here but they would send me they'd say I'd call it and I'd say hey I gotta go pick up this across town and then they go okay we'll call us when as soon as you get back and I drive and go see my mom for two hours and come back like just"
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"text": " You know what the bullshit you have to do to get around the pricks. Let me, let me tell you something. Me and my ex-wife, Lucy, on a scale of one to 10 on a marriage towards the end, it was a one and a half. Me and my ex-wife, Lucy, now as divorced parents to 10. She's good people. I really, I kind of, she's good. Um,"
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"text": " we get along fantastic. We talk once in a while and we're friends and it's evolved. It's time, but she's good people. She helped me a lot and I, I'm fortunate enough now to help her sometimes because I make good money. Right. But when I was the manager, remember she's the district manager. Yeah. So she sent me on errands. Yeah. But there were no errands."
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"text": " Right. Yeah, yeah."
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"text": " I was in the back fixing an apartment. You didn't go back there, even though I wasn't. Right. And they didn't let me go. And let me tell you something about halfway house. The counselor's there. Not cool with me. Not cool. But I'll tell you something. The director, I forgot what her name is. It may hit me as we're talking. Awesome. And she's a hard woman. She's dealing with felons. She's making big decisions on 20, 30 year people, four year people, camp people, high level prisoners, all this when they get there. Right."
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"text": " She knew I was focused. She knew it. Cause she had told me, she says, you know, not a lot of men would do what you're doing. And I'm like, I don't understand really what you're talking about is what I think everyone does. My son, she didn't help me per se to do anything wrong, but she gave me a little leeway not to do wrong things, but Hey, you want to go see your son? He gets three hours. He gets to go see his son. It wasn't a,"
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"text": " Dispute or fill out the form. Yeah, wait till it gets signed off by Brad. Then you've got to go see her and she'd say oh no, no He's gonna go see his son on Tuesday because I only get an hour It's not like I get to change shit, right? Right. So in the beginning and I thank her for that Because she recognized it So anyway me my ex-wife we're cool and she helped me there and finagle some things She got me the job there and I had a cool apartment thing"
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"text": " uh gig because of her because she put me there it was easy for me to keep my son right she didn't get me she gave me probably a few apartment buildings to clean extra she called me first because i needed the money but uh she didn't do anything like finagle like money wise or whatever so yeah so i'm doing that and um me and my wife were together three four months five months her friends don't like me her mom don't like me"
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"text": " Nobody likes me, but my, my wife adores me. Okay. Like my wife is a head over heels in love with me. Like my wife loves me. Like I've never been loved in my life. I never really experienced a love like she gives. Like my wife's, she'll be nervous. She's nervous right now for me right now, cause I'm here. She's nervous when I play, cause that's, she loves me. She's like, she's like worries, like I hope he's okay."
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"text": " You know, I hope he's not too nervous, you know, and when I was a pitcher in softball, because I play third base, but when I pitch, she's nervous when I'm pitching about throwing a strike or whatever, you know, she's got that connection with me. She's, she loves me and I never really experienced what that kind of love is. So, um, her parents, they're not giving me bad vibe energy. They're not together, by the way, they're not giving me bad vibe energy."
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"text": " But they're not giving me good positive energy either. Right. You know, so when I asked her to marry- Are you telling me they're not thrilled that their daughter is dating a guy that just got out of prison for drugs? A drug conspiracy? No. That seems crazy. That seems shocking to me. I wasn't on their list. You didn't check all the boxes? I'm not the guy who plays golf in a collar, bro, on Sundays, bro."
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"text": " I never have been. I'm not that guy. They didn't say, wow, exactly what we were hoping for. The AC DC shirt and tux it into his jeans and things. That's a cool look. I'm not that guy, bro. I'm not that guy. So and she's got like three or four best friends, like best friends from high school that she she's connected with. Right. Like, you know, we're 40. Yeah, same age. She's six months older, younger than me. And when I asked her to marry me,"
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"text": " She immediately says yes, but that night I don't even know I'm going to ask her to marry me. I just went over to her house and we started talking and then I just said, Hey, you want to marry me? I didn't get on my knee or nothing. We're talking. And she says, yes. And we were married"
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"text": " We met in January. We were married in September. We've been married ever since. She's the only woman that I've ever been with since I've been out of prison. We've been married since then. Married kind of right away. We agreed that just family was going to come. My wife's successful, but at that time we didn't have a lot of money. She's cool. She made good money, but we didn't have"
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"text": " We had a nice house in the hills. We're getting by. The bills are being paid, but there wasn't money sitting in the account. And at that time, I'm a loser, right? I got no job. I mean, when I asked her to marry me, I have a job as an apartment manager. The day after we get married, I have no job because I wasn't an apartment manager anymore. I'm with her. Right, right. So I got to stay there. I'm living with my wife, you know, gave him two week notice."
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"text": " And now I'm a loser, right? Has she got, and she's got what, two kids you said? She's got two kids. Uh, they were, not no more. They're at the time one was on his way out, which he left. And the other one was like a junior in high school. He's a good dude too. Rob's a real good dude. So is, um, he's gone. He's Fred. They're both good dudes. Rob's real good, real good with Angel now, real good, like brothers tight. Um, and uh,"
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"text": " So, on our wedding day, I tell her I don't want her friends to come. I know happy wife, happy life, but I don't want the bad energy, man. I'm feeling like it's a happy day for us, right? We've got family, not a lot of family, my kids are there, but I don't want her friends are giving me this negative energy and I know they don't like me, right? Because"
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"text": " I'm poor, right? I'm a loser. And I say that on my Facebook, when I buy something, because I got money, when I buy my Maybach, and I post on Facebook, the loser does it again, because I know it's a stick to them. Because I can tell you now, I couldn't live on the wages they make. I couldn't live on it. I couldn't do what they do. They don't make enough money. I make more money than probably all three of them put together now. But"
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"text": " I couldn't live on what they live and that's not a stab like at them like, but it is kind of a stab at them because I know you thought I was a loser. I don't know if this way is the best way. I know you thought I was a loser, but now I make more money than all three of you put together. So I couldn't live on your wage. You guys are nice people, you know, in your own way, but you guys have done shenanigans with each other already that I know about that are pretty dirty."
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"text": " Some people might say he's a loser move. Now I think, now I know why your wife's nervous. Baby, she was nervous about what I was going to say with the girls and blah, blah, blah. So I'm cool with them now, but I'm highly successful now. I own a big limousine company, party bus company. I have employees. I take care of my son. I take care of three of my sons. I buy all my grandkids their clothes."
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"text": " There's school clothes, there's soccer outfits, there's karate outfits, there's boxing outfits, whatever they need. Whatever my grandkids need, Jade and Juju, Lexi. Lexi, not quite as much, we're not as close as Jade and Juju are, but I take care of her too. But whatever my two grandsons need, they got. As long as they haven't, whatever so far in their life, whatever they've asked me for, they get. Because everything they've asked me for is reasonable. Right. You know, soccer clothes, soccer cleats, there's no,"
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"text": " None of that. So we get married. And in the beginning, it's a little bit rough, not too rough, but kind of figuring out each other's energy. And her mom comes around. And mind you, her husband, some people might call a loser, but he passed away a few days a few weeks ago, maybe a month ago, because he was an alcoholic. He drank himself to death. So I guess John doesn't look too bad right now."
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"text": " But like I told you, I'm a prick at times because I say what it is. Um, I think some people, they say, well, I just say what's on my mind, but there's times to say things and there's times not to say things. You know, you can say what's on your mind, but I'm here. I still don't drink. I don't smoke. I work out. I'm a decent person. I have a big business. I've raised my son since he was four and a half years old and we're tight. We're tight, but good."
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"text": " He's um, the disease he has is, is debilitating and you know, he could walk, but at 11 he couldn't walk and he's in a wheelchair and he's been in a wheelchair since then. But for what he is and what he's in and how it is, it's good. He's good."
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"text": " You just graduated high school? Just graduated high school. Big moment, big moment. Cause some kids that have this disease, they don't get to graduate high school. Right. You know, and he's healthy. So he, it's like a levels, I guess, because some are very, very healthy and some pass away at seven, nine, 12, 14 in and out. I mean, I'm on a Facebook group, AT kids, AT parents. And every time,"
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"text": " Every time one of the kids from Ataxia Foundation pass away, you feel like it's yours. You know, it's like, you feel like it's your kid in a way, or you feel like your kid's next, you know, or it's coming. Right. I don't know the feeling. It's a lot of emotions, but the first emotion is, it's like your family, you know? So we just live our life."
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"text": " We do well. We have a couple rental properties. Me and my wife are good. No big issues. The prison stuff's behind me. The prison mentality's behind me. There's probably like granules in there. But overall, it's a good life. And I'm fortunate in some ways. I don't know when you're going to cut this in, but"
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"text": " I don't know if I ever went to prison if I had a dad in my life. I think dads are important, very important, very vital to be in children's lives. Because sometimes you need a little kick in the ass from your dad, you know? And a little pat on the back from your mom. It's cool,"
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"text": " But you also need a little kick in your ass. Right. And I didn't have the kick in my ass. And I felt like I was handicapped in some ways at 20, 21, 24, when I was a supervisor, because I didn't have the skills from men. I had skills from women. Right. My mom and my aunt, some from my dad. But at 14, I didn't see him much. I mean, I saw him five days, eight days a month, a year. Up until then, I saw him two and a half months a year. So yeah, in the summer."
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"text": " So I didn't have that and I think it's important and I wonder how my life would have been. I don't think I would have went to prison because I don't think I would have went down that road. I just didn't have a father figure in my life to become something or whatever. Maybe I'm wrong but it's a very broken piece from my life."
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"text": " And now I take care of my dad. So my dad has Alzheimer's. He's living in Georgia, where I'm going after this tomorrow, tonight. My brother and sister live there and they sent him there about four years ago. He was unable to take care of himself. He's not completely lost right now, but he can't take care of himself, there's no way. So he's been with me for two years, staying with me. I take care of him. Now he's a little, more than a little lost, but I take care of him too. So I take care of my dad, I take care of my son, my wife, me, my wife,"
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"text": " We team up, but I take care of my dad most. I take care of my son most, you know? So yeah. Okay. That's kind of the story. And it's good. That's good. I saw you on concrete. I think is the first time I actually saw you. And, uh, I didn't, I don't think at the time I knew you had a podcast, but then I reached out to you six, six, eight months ago."
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"text": " See, cause you're crafty too, right? Cause you've saw this guy's got a podcast. He's probably doing well, blah, blah, blah. I could do that. I got personality. I got wit, charm, whatever game recognizes game. You know what I mean? It actually took a while before I figured that out. But you knew, just like when I was in prison, it took a while, but once I knew I figured it out and you'll probably be very successful because you'll figure it out more and more. Why? Because you're crafty. Well, it's working out so far. We'll see if it just keeps going. We just gotta, I gotta keep grinding. Yeah."
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"text": " Yeah, I think it's a good show you have. I'm glad that I came. I'm glad we were able to get the story out. If you're in prison and you've got kids, just grind. Get out, grind. Do what you've got to do. There is a snippet that you may want to cut in somewhere. When I went to family court, a few of the times that I went for Angel while I was out in the room broke my heart. When I was out in the waiting room to go to court,"
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"text": " one of the attorneys for another kid comes, sits with the kid and I'm hearing the conversation and, uh, she tells him, she tells her, um, you can't go home today. Your dad tested dirty, so we still got to keep you. And she just starts crying and it broke my heart, you know, where some kids, they get stuck, right? You know? Um, and I firmly believe that,"
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"text": " My opinion through my experience is the family courts want the children to go back with their parents. They don't not want them. I feel that. But the parents have to do the work to get them back and they have to show that they can do the work. So I don't know if anyone out there is thinking,"
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"text": " You know, I won't get them back. If you're in prison, you're thinking, I don't think they will. They want the fathers in their life, especially now more so. I know it's always been that way, but now with more podcasts saying, Hey, you need dads in the life, single parent, single parent families, you know, it's more forefront now about fathers being in their life. So just do what's right. Live your life. Right. Get rid of the people."
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"text": " and you'll be good. It'll turn out, it may not turn out when you want, how you want, exactly how you want, but eventually it's got to turn out right because you're not going to do anything wrong. And game will recognize game. When you show good work ethic, all of a sudden things are going to start lining up. You know, someone's going to hire you. Someone's going to, maybe your sister or brother has a job that they're doing and they're not going to, when you get out, they're not going to tell them to hire you. But after you've shown a year that you've worked somewhere and it's, Hey, they're hiring at my company."
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"text": " People get out of prison, they get frustrated, they have entitlement issues, they think that they're owed something. No, no, no. You just got out of prison, bro. You're starting at the bottom. And you've got to be willing to suck it up and put your pride aside and take some shit and work your ass off. And if you do that, then good things will happen."
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"text": " So yeah, I got cars. I got, whenever before I go to prison, I got cars. I got money. I got girls. I got everything a man would want, but that's not what every in, in what people believe. Some people, my dad, Oh man, you're living the dream back then, but he didn't know what I was doing, but he saw I was successful, but I wasn't. Yeah. The dream is to have a wife."
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"text": " to come home to a loving wife. That's the dream. The dream is have a good marriage and good family and good grandkids and children that want to come around you. That's the dream. The dream isn't 20 girls, threesomes, nice cars, casino nights, blowing money. That's not the dream. Right. So I think that might be the story. That's it. I think so. It continues. It continues. And my goal is to make sure"
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"text": " that my heritage goes on and that my grandkids never have to go without and that they'll always have the opportunity to be successful. Whether they become successful or not is on them, but they'll have all the resources and the money that they need to become. They will not be handicapped because of money situations. I bought my daughter a house. My grandchildren will never have to move from their house. I bought that house. They pay the mortgage of 2,500 a month."
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"text": " But I put, I furnished it, painted it, two story swimming pool, 1200 square foot lot, grass, trees. They'll never have to move because I grinded for them. They won't have to be handicapped. Like any of us, my children and me, they got what they need. I appreciate you coming by. Thank you. Thanks for coming out here. I really appreciate it. You know, anytime I'm glad you took me. This has been,"
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"text": " What, 16 years-ish? 17 years since I've been out and I've been wanting to get this story out, but with my son being young and, you know, now he knows everything about everything. And he didn't even know I was in prison until three weeks ago. Really? He didn't know. He knew I was gone, but he didn't know I was in prison, but time, right? And hopefully a book come out. I really would like a book to come out, because there is other stuff in there."
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