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They lay low, go down, and then keep on doing it again. And they live in society, like normal. They have a normal life, and they juggle and hide. And then at night, they do House of Horrors. It's scary. And I think people need to know how dangerous serial killers are. They're everywhere. I think people don't understand how prolific they are. I heard the other day that the average person crosses the path of something, was it like three to six? It was like three or six
You know what John Wayne Gacy's last words were? I mean, Bundy, at least when he was fried there in Ol' Sparky, his last words were, hey, tell my family I love them and, you know, whatever, all that. At least that's something, right? Right. John Wayne Gacy, kiss my ass. That's his last words. Kiss my ass.
Hey, this is Matt Cox and I am here with Ignacio Esteban. He is a former ATF agent, retired, and he's written several true crime books based on various cases. I just finished one of them and we're gonna do an interview. So check it out. Yeah, going on, man. Hey, what's going on? Nice to be back on your show. The second one.
Yeah. Yeah. How did the first show do? It did all right, right? Yeah, I think about over what 13,000 views so far in counting. Yeah, that's good. Very good number of people like that's good. Some liked it and some not so big fans of ATF. You know, you you Yeah, well you like I said before you you know, you always have some guy who's saying this guy's full of shit. Listen, I did one it's funny because I had a guy that I researched his entire case.
I wrote a synopsis about a 12,000 word synopsis on his case, researched it, saw all the documents, everything. And there were guys in the comment section. That's bullshit. That never happened. Like he said this and he like, this isn't the guy saying it. Like I ordered the police report. This is the police saying this is what happened. Right. Right. I didn't just take his word for it.
And, you know, even on my own, every once while you get somebody saying, you know, this guy's full of shit, you know, this didn't happen, that didn't happen. It's like, okay, well, if those things didn't happen, why did I go to federal prison? They didn't send me there for no reason. Like, my charges are, you know, there's real. Right. So, but you know, there's always going to be I would say for listen, for every 90
to a hundred guys that tell me say wonderful things. There's always one guy or two guys that are just like, and they'll hate you for no reason. Yeah. Yeah. People, some people just like putting bad reviews because they like putting bad reviews. Well, and listen, to be honest, like those are the ones I typically react to too. So I'm only, I'm only helping that situation by reacting to them. Yeah. I've learned to ignore it now.
I just ignore them. I ignore them completely and they do go away because a lot of them are haters because they can't do it themselves. They have nothing and they sit behind a computer. A lot of people can be really badasses behind a computer with a fictitious username and put ridiculous stuff out there, but face to face, they won't do that. Listen, not even face to face. Sometimes if you just respond to them,
Like I not even mean you say, wow, bro, I don't know why you would say that. Like this is what happened. I'm not sure where you're getting that. They'll come back almost immediately and say, yo, bro, I didn't mean that. I didn't realize I was drinking last night when I wrote that. It's like, like, they really just want attention. Yeah. Yeah. I'd say that's unfortunate. You do see a lot of kids like that. And who knows? Maybe they are underage.
And they're just being goofy and they're going out there and just doing, you know, silly things because people create these fictitious accounts. We all know that. Yeah. And then a young kid just, and they know it, they like stir things up too. So that's what a lot of times I've learned. I saw some really nasty things, not in this one, but other shows. And I'm like, I'm not going to even respond to anything like that. Um, you said something about the red light district back here. Listen, I got a red wall. I painted the red wall.
I have, um, I usually, I just took down, I had a bunch of Marilyn Monroe paintings. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I took them down now. Oh, so I'm going, I'm going, uh, minimalist. It's just going to be a red wall with the, the, the soundproofing, the mics. It's going to change everything. It's going to be huge. You'll see that. I like it. Yeah. So like it. I do like Marilyn Monroe though. I'm a big fan. No doubt.
Yeah, I mean, I've got I make those. Have you ever seen I make them there? There's their modified screen print. So it's a screen print of Marilyn Monroe, but every one of them is different, like different colors. Yeah, I saw a few of them. Yes, I like that. So I sell those on Etsy, although sales have dropped recently, the last few months, everything's starting to go, go south. Even book sales might have been steady, might have been steady.
And the more shows I do, the more the numbers are going higher and higher. And I do a lot. I'm not just true crime, as we talked before. I do politics. I do travel. I do a few books of my daughter, kids books too. So if you like kids books, I've done that with really good message family, wholesome messages. I just do a variety of things. I really enjoy it. And I just did a crazy one on psycho killers.
And of course, you listen to my auto and now I'm really getting with Sean and you know Sean well, I mean, because of you, excellent, excellent voice actor. I've been working with him. I have this big one that's going to come out soon, about seven hours, almost seven hours, the most dangerous crime syndicates of our time, which is just from A to Z, soup to nuts. A lot of my shorts put together dealing with the one percenters, Italian mafia, Mexican cartels, Yakuza, street gangs, prison gangs, all in there.
All in there. So if you really don't have a good handle, this book will put you start getting in the right direction. So I think it's going to be really seven hours. So I look forward to that one coming out. You've been working hard on this one. Do you, do you ever do anything on, um, the, uh, the Chinese gangs in like LA, the, the triads in, uh, my street gang book, there's a chapter on that. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm working on a story right now on the triads. Oh, okay. Cool. Cool. I was going to ask you, since I did a book also on MS-13 and you guys are in Pasco and it's a true crime channel, what the heck happened holiday with that poor Uber driver with an MS-13 guy that goes in there and kills him and takes him apart? You see that? I heard it on the news. I mean, just...
The savagery and brutality of MS-13, Mara Sabatucha. They're not just in LA anymore. They're nationwide, Canada, and they've gone enormous in Central America. That's where their roots came from. They went back and they've pretty much taken over El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, and southern Mexico. They're spreading.
Is it El Salvador where the president, they elected the president, he built that huge prison and just went and arrested like 10,000 of them or something? Yeah, they're trying to, but it's like you stop them more, they keep on spreading, right? Like ants, you hit the ant pile and just keep on coming around. It's cultural.
It's just, and when people are in that culture, it's hard to, you incarcerate them, but they're so hardcore, they don't care. They come out, they'll come back at it again. So what I'm reading, what I saw, I'm a sheriff, I met him briefly from Pasco and I knew Sheriff White from before out there since I worked so many years out there and I know you're in that area. Unbelievable on holiday, that poor Uber driver goes near Texas' wife. Hey, this is my last delivery of the day. I should be home right afterwards, right? That's the last thing he does, man. He walks in the door.
And it's lights out guy kills him and horror stories and I guess he was putting his body in like body bags so Unbelievable, you just don't it's dangerous anywhere I tell people and I think with psycho killers I talk about the element the culture what happens people don't realize how many of these serial killers are among us They're everywhere, you know, you don't have to be a guy like Bundy or Dahmer or
who have these high or John Wayne Gacy who has these crazy numbers right 30 40 50 whatever some people are serial killers and they kill every so often you know they may have four or five but you know the key is they kill few they lay low seem go down and then keep on doing again some of the guys and they live in society like normal they have a normal life and they're jekyll and hide and then at night they do house of horrors
Well, especially if you can get away with it, they get away with it because a lot of times that they don't even if there's opportunities, like suddenly the opportunities there and they just boom, they snap and like a long distance truck driver or something like, how are you going to catch that guy? He killed somebody gets in his truck. He didn't know him. There's no connection. Yeah. They get a lot of prostitutes. Right. These people hitchers. Yeah. Right. People, people, loners, homeless people, people in society don't care about. Right. I don't miss those kind of people. And they prey on those people.
and do horrible, horrible things. I know we're talking about my book, but I'll tell you one story here, and hopefully people read this book. It's gotten really popular, and it's called Psycho Killers, right? And I talk about, you know, I mentioned the Domers and the Bundys and the Gacy's, and I also have a little history on H.H. Holmes, I guess America's first original big serial killer, but some people think it was Jack the Ripper also.
And we can talk about that on a different show why similarities did because he was also in London 1888 during that time period. He also came back. He had family that was also British. So a lot of connections between and he was a doctor.
Because the guy who did with Jack the Ripper was someone who was a physician because they were very quick in dismantling the organs and taking things out. Because that's what Ripper did within two minutes. He would take out these females organs and everything else and dismember them really quickly. And this guy was also very good at that. So those things we can talk about later with Holmes and the comparisons. There's even a family member out there who believes that his great, great grandfather was Jack the Ripper.
And he makes a great argument why he thinks so and stuff like that, which is fascinating. But I'll talk about quick story here.
about what makes a serial killer here. You had Richard Ramirez, right? The Night Stalker, right? He's my last chapter in my book there, chapter 12. There's the original Night Stalker, which is Joseph D'Angelo, who was a former police officer who becomes a serial rapist and serial killer at the time. And he is the original Night Stalker, but they think there's one in the same. Then later with DNA and evidence, they realized these were two different killers killing in California at the same time, right?
So you got massive, lots of serial killers out there. Yeah. So I didn't know there was a second guy called the Night Stalker. I thought that was just the one. Yeah. No, he's the original Night Stalker, D'Angelo. Joseph D'Angelo, former cop who becomes serial rapist. And then they evolve. First he starts in the burglaries. He goes south and then he goes into, and he was a burglary detective for years. So that's where he became good at that. Then he changes, goes to the dark side, starts doing it. Then he gets into raping the women.
I think he raped over 60 some women. They're saying the numbers are heinous in California. And then he became, he starts killing them. So, I mean, he would do some real sadistic things when he would tie them up. I'll give one example real quick. He goes, and he liked to target elderly couple, you know, people that won't be as resistant, right? And let's say he'll type the guy, he'll say, listen, I'm gonna put these dishes on your back. If I'm hearing any movement,
from the dishes, right? Cause I know you're trying to get out of that. They fall off your back. That means you're trying to get out when I just tied you up here because he's raping his wife, right? I'm going to kill your children in the house too. So I'm going to do what I'm going to do here. I see any movement. This is all documented reports where he'd said he confessed to all this. So he talks about what he did. This is, I mean, when I read this stuff, I'm in shock what's going on here. So that's how sadistic these people are. You imagine that shit. They come in, he comes in with a flashlight and he says, this is what I'm going to do to you.
So that's D'Angelo. He is the original Night Stalker. This guy is also what we call the Night Stalker because they thought when they detected they were one the same, but they weren't. They're different guys. And this guy D'Angelo, this guy Ramirez, he is pretty much, psychologists say, he wasn't born a psychopath. He was made into a psychopath. I'm going to tell you real quick how he was made to it. And this is a family of serial killers.
Now I'm going to explain to you how he was in a family of serial killers, which is unbelievable. I didn't know any of this until I started researching all this myself and I started looking at it. His cousin was a decorated green beret in Vietnam, older than him, but he was killing young Vietnamese women over there and he was really sick. He would dismember them. He would decapitate them and then use his Polaroid camera and take pictures of all that.
This would be documented by Ramirez when he confessed later all the stuff and what they find. So he's a dickhead, he's in Vietnam, and he's doing house of horrors on these young women, right? He gets away for four years, never gets convicted, comes back to the US, and he starts indoctrinating his younger cousin how to be really sadistic against women.
and he starts developing a taste to hurt women pretty much at an early age. He gets addicted to drugs, he gets an LSD, he starts using cocaine, and he starts growing into, and he teaches him the tricks of being a beret, how to stalk people, how to kill someone quietly, how to do things, and how to, you know, everything. Everything he did, he teaches. He even snaps one time
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A mother trying to protect the family dog and her son in the grip of a violent hallucinogenic rage. By the time it was over, she was dead, and he claimed LSD made him do it. His name, David Minor IV, and we talked to him. Listen to Invisible Choir every other week as we uncover the most haunting true crimes you've never heard of, available wherever you get your podcasts.
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So I talk a lot about Ramirez and the stuff he does is absolutely horrific to his victims. So if you're interested in this and you want to know more of the psychology, what we just talked about, Psycho Killers has a lot of that. I had no idea. I mean, I started dabbling into it and I had no idea how sick and perverted these people really are.
Yeah, I watched the documentary on Netflix on Romero's. It's like a six part series or something with the two detectives. Yeah, it was a nice talker, right? Yeah, the nice talker, right? It was actually, you know, let's, I mean, for, you know, obviously they don't, most of the people are just not either around or don't want to be spoke to speak about it. Not a lot of B roll.
I never saw the Dom or the Dom or one really bothers me the Bundy one was
House of Horrors in the sorority in Florida State, isn't it? He escapes from prison. They have him for a homicide charge. He walks out the front door dressed as the jailer, right? Dressed as a jailer. Yeah, I think so. He walks out the front door.
And he's gone for months. He takes trains, planes. He's all over the country until he settles in Tallahassee and he snapped. He said he was trying to get, you know, because he confesses later. I read his reports. I read everything. That's what I do. I read a lot. And he says that he was trying to construction work, but they did a background check on him and he couldn't pass the background because obviously he was been arrested. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, you're supposed to be in fictitious IDs and all that. He just can't get through it. So he gets triggered.
He got triggered. And then when it gets triggered, he goes in that sorority house. I think it's Chi Omega. And he goes in there and commits house of horrors in there. And it's just horrible in the details of what he does. It just, if you want to see a little detail, I put it in my book, how sadistic, how sick this guy is. And a lot of these guys get a sexual charge while they're doing this, by the way. They really enjoy this. And that's evidence also against them that comes out of there. So it's a lot of stuff these guys leave behind.
You know, physically, but also emotionally baggage and stuff. They're really, really sick. And he was an intelligent guy who went to law school. I don't think he graduated. He had issues there. He struggled with that, but still smart enough guy to figure out how to work the system. And he was attractive guy where he was able to trick a lot of the young female. And he liked young females that looked like brown hair, part of the hair in the back. He has certain type that he liked, very similar to his girlfriend. And that's an interesting read there. I mean, she is living with a serial killer.
Yeah. That's unbelievable. Then he ends up getting married once he's locked up. All these guys do. All these guys end up getting... You know what John Wayne Gacy's last words were? I mean, Bundy, at least when he was fried there in Old Sparky, his last words were, hey, tell my family I love them and whatever, all that. At least that's something, right? Right. John Wayne Gacy, kiss my ass. That's his last words. Kiss my ass.
For before they put the inject them. Oh, and he says kiss my ass like saying he had no remorse He killed over 30 and he loved young boys. He loved young teenagers. He was the clown pogo the clown, right? He was he was successful. That's creepy Creepy because he was very popular in the community. He was very active. He helped people Like you said, he has a dual Jekyll and Hyde. They said I'm helpful. I'm nice guy But then I'm also creepy guy that's gonna take her son and kill him and you're never gonna see him again. I
I don't get too, like he's living in the house with the smell, the bodies are buried. I mean, obviously, there are certain things that just come along with different mental conditions, obviously.
the idea that he wouldn't dispose of the body somewhere else like how hard it always kills me it's like these guys murder somebody and then they they leave the body in the in the living room for two days and when it starts smelling then they they bury it outside it's like you can't if you're able to kill someone like you can i mean you've got a job like i mean you're paying your bills you should be able to think far enough in advance to say hey i cannot leave this body here and i'm not going to bury it in my backyard i need to get rid of it like
They just, no, just bury it in the backyard, it's easier. Talking about leaving stuff around, how about Dahmer, man? I know you don't like reading much about Dahmer, but that one incident that he has was, I mean, again, he had a thing for black male prostitutes, right? Right. But he also went with Asians, too. And he had that young boy from Laos, right? A famous story where he... That's the one who drilled the holes in the head? Yes.
He's so messed up that he's drinking. He's an alcoholic, right? I know people who don't know Dahmer. Dahmer's a severe alcoholic. It's something he goes in these stupors, or he'll get more beer. He wanted to make him an ultimate sex slave, right? That was his work. He wanted to inject this guy so he can really control, manipulate. He really was crazy out there. But when he came back from the bar and to get more beer, whatever, he really liked drinking a lot of beer. And when he came back, this is Milwaukee,
When he came back, he saw the kid, fully naked, talking to his woman at a bus stop. And he was rambling in louse. And he almost freaked out, right, while I was reading in the reports. So, and they said, well, he's my gay lover. He's 19 years old. We had a dispute. He gets like that when he drinks too much. I guess just take him back and it'll be okay. And she said, no, we already called the police on the way.
So Milwaukee's finest police department comes in, they start checking the co fire, you know, fire rescue. They come out because he's also bleeding in private areas and his anus and other spots too. You know, that's normal. We have sex and all that. He explained all that, all the stuff to the police officers. And because he's incoherent, he can't speak in English right now. He's speaking in Laos and he's like, oh, he's drunk. He said, okay, we just had a dispute. I said, okay, where do you guys live? We're right up here. Okay. Let me take you back.
and they escort them back to his apartment. He even tells me tells me the report. He thanks them saying you guys are doing a great job out here. Crime is out of control. I appreciate everything you've done. Wow. He puts them in. Okay. And officers last words and they take care of him and says, I will. And he hadn't killed him with before they even got back to the car, right? Immediately. He injected them again and dismembered him and devoured him.
This is never getting monetized by the way. This video is never getting monetized. You know how that works? So monetization on a video, like they will limit your monetization or make it just completely unadvertiser friendly. What do they want? I know what you're saying, but
But like I say, 99% of all my videos get monetized because we try and stay away from certain things. And because I typically don't talk about violence. Oh, that's what true crime is, all violence. No, but my channel isn't really violence. If you're watching my videos, there's mostly it's
Scams and cons and even if it's stuff like buying, you know, even your stuff wasn't violent that we talked about because it was more about buying, you know, This is violent. This is true crime right here as heinous as as it gets and if you're fascinated by this stuff,
Look at Psycho Killers and we can talk about it. Don't hold back. Keep pushing the book. I think it's fascinating. I know people love it. And every time I see it, people talk about it. The views are always enormous. You know what's funny? It's like 80% of violent true crime is women. Yeah, women and then gay males.
Really you see a lot of gay males prostitutes prostitutes suffer and men people, you know These are people who people don't care about right? Right. No. Oh, no. No, I don't mean the victims of it. I mean the people the consumers the people that watch it. Oh Really? Yeah, so so my analytics on my channel. It's 95% male right or imagine but I
For some reason, like if I talked about murders and serial killers, like if it was that kind of channel, then 80% of it would be female would be watching it. Women are super attracted to the more violent types of violent murders and serial killings and things like that. I wonder if that because they're scared and they want to protect themselves. What mistakes these women made and learn from them? Maybe I don't know.
I don't know. I really thought my channel would be more female, like there'd be a lot of female, at least a 50 50 mix or maybe 25 35. Like, but because I don't really, you know, really, I guess talk about a lot of violence, then it's just it hasn't picked up with it slowly. Initially, it was like 99% 98. Now I think it's down to it's actually getting better. But that is fascinating. I think everybody should be interested because it could impact
Because the victims are not just women. There's that misconception that just the victims are women. No, no, no. A lot of men also get taken by these serial killers also and couples, elderly couples. I remember Ramirez, you saw the, you saw the documentary Ramirez. He picked up, he picked up elderly couples in their sixties and seventies. So, so my, for gender, right? Last 28 days, it's been male, 92.5% female.
70.4% 7% Yeah, so it's and then 1% is user nonspecific or sorry, sorry, 0.1% is user nonspecific. So yeah, so the bulk of it is so it's not 95. Now it's down to 92. But yeah, the bulk of it is, is a is male on my channel, which is insane.
But yeah, you're right. Maybe it is because maybe it's because women are concerned or in fear or worried about it should be. Yeah, they're targeted. There's no doubt about it. We'll tone it down with the violence. I won't go I was gonna go more detail some stuff. I'll tone it down. But you're right, because I noticed that a lot of the purchasers were women. My book. Yeah. So that's interesting. Okay. How is how is the audio doing?
I want to work on audio on that. Me and Sean will be working on it. I'm busy, like I said, with the worst crime syndicates of our time. I'm working on that one. It's a lot of books out there. I've just finished ATF Undercover. Obviously, you see the poster back there, working on that one. That's the one I like to do, right? Yeah. What did you think of it?
I thought it was funny my I was working out with my my wife this morning and I was listening because I told you I listened to most of it this morning when I was working out about 45 minutes of and you know you don't really do scenes you know I'm saying like you you know when I say scenes I mean you don't you don't read and this is what kills me is like
and I mentioned to her I said this guy was in the room with these criminals like but he's not re you don't yours is written it's very informative this happened this happened I said this they said this but you don't reinvent or put the dialogue so every once in a while you'll have some a piece of dialogue where I tend to redo a scene like they said this I said this and I'll do some narration on what the dialogue is because you can't go back and forth back and forth it's too much
But I noticed that you don't really do that. You're getting, you very quickly get to just the core information. The meat and potato? Yes. And you're like, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like I wanted to know when you had, you know, a problem with your, the, I mean, you name what they are, but the supervisors, whatever. I know you're calling the, the, the GPPT, you know, you give them the initials. Like, I don't know what that means, but obviously this supervisor and then his supervisor, like,
you just basically say, you know, there was a dispute, like we never got along, like, what were some of those events, like you, you kind of skim over those. And, and to me, that's, I would have liked to have known, like, you're saying the guy was a jerk, but why was he a jerk? Like, what did he actually, you give some examples, some examples. Yeah, you do. But, but it'd be interesting to see that one more, one more, one more. I want more dialogue. I want to see a little bit, not a ton. I don't like a ton, just enough to get the,
so that you kind of know, Oh, he's snide. He's making snide comments or Oh, that was kind of a dick thing to say. And the books also, I delve into that the waste fraud and abuse. Yeah. The good, the bad and the ugly of ATF, right? Yeah. It's not just me buying dope and guns, right? It's, I tell you about that story. I also have personal life, right? Yeah. It's what my, when I went through my family, my dad's passing from pancreatic cancer, how difficult that was.
Yeah, I mean it was the best of times it was the worst of times Charles Dickens, right and I personally experienced that in 2006 got married came back from Europe beautiful vacation from the Canary Islands and Spain and Then also my father gets sick and he deteriorates. It was a very healthy man. Very healthy guy 66 years old it didn't smoke much. They spoke any they didn't drink any very fit was a big cyclist an avid cyclist loved to work out but
He got diagnosed with stage four pancreatic cancer and it was within seven months that was it and he deteriorated immensely quickly. Those are hard things to go through and live through. While you're still having your caseload in Tampa, back and forth, Miami, have a newlywed, a new wife, there's a lot of things thrown at you. I was in my early 30s. Those are the things you got to carry.
Well, what I was wondering about, and this, and I've noticed this, I noticed it in the BOP, you know, when I was locked up, and I had heard this from officers saying this, and I've noticed this, basically in the federal government, you even say, you don't still get this kind of, this kind of behavior, other than the federal government. The private sector fire you. Huh? In the private sector, you act badly. You get fired. Instead, they just transfer you. So, and then a lot of times in the BOP,
It was explained to me, they said a lot of times what happens is they'll say, we want to transfer you, but they can't force you to do it. So they're like, we can't fire them. We can't transfer them. They said the only way you can force them to take the transfer is to give them a raise. So if you say, look, we're going to make you a case manager.
or, you know, right now you're a counselor. We're desperate to get rid of this fucking guy. We're going to, you know what we're going to do? We're going to give them a raise. We'll make them a case manager at this other institution, get rid of them. So then they tell the other institution, this guy's amazing. Yeah, sure. Great. So what happens is the worst of an employee you are, the more sometimes not always, but a lot of times you get these problem, the individuals that they do, or advancing and they don't, they shouldn't be advanced.
Yeah, I had some doozies. I had some doozies in Tampa and in Fulardo. I always said, and this is my motto, I don't know if I said it last time on your show, the bad guys were the easy part. They really were. Because I had to overcome so many hurdles as a case agent, as the undercover. I also was the vault custodian. I did my own workups. ATF is a smaller agency than FBI and DEA. So I have to wear many, many hats and do many, many things.
And we have a bad supervisor, or even worse, a horrible prosecutor. Nothing's worse. The same thing applies in the Department of Justice all over. You get a bad prosecutor who doesn't do justice to your case, it can all unravel. And you spend a year, year and a half putting it together. That is so frustrating. That's one thing I like about what I'm doing now.
As a writer and getting involved more and more, maybe movie production, maybe TV series production, is you can work as hard as you want, be successful as you want, and produce as much as you want. While in the federal government, that's not always the case. And there's people that want to hold you back and don't want you to succeed. And there's a lot of issues that people just don't understand the ins and outs of the government and politics that make it hard sometimes to overcome. And it's a lot of personal vendetta and personal grudges.
People can be very, very nasty that way and make it very, very difficult. Like that one case I'm in there, one of my supervisor had, he was very angry at another undercover. He decided to take it out on him, a supervisor. We had an H2, a Hummer. H2 is a very large, people who don't know, it's a very large vehicle, very expensive vehicle.
It was supposed to be only for selective use to undercover work. It's a flash car, right? You know, you want to do a by-bus. It's a car you use very selectively. This guy decides, I'm taking away from him. I'm going to punish you. And now it's my G Ride. And I'm going to use it all the time. He lived in Land O'Lakes, by the way, in Pasco. And he had to go down to Tampa. And he's gassing up twice a day once I get there. He's getting maybe nine miles a gallon. I did that for over four to five years.
Right. He even had agents come in early because in downtown area he couldn't fit that monster in the parking garage So he would have an agent get in there park early on the side and when he says hey, I'm on my way I'm around he would have to pull his car out so he can park You can't make this shit up. Unfortunately, this is all real stuff and he will park aside So, of course he puts his placard there. So the city's not making any money from that He keeps it out all day So he was a control freak and the amount excessive money Tampa division spent in a sack knew about the sack knew about it
But they did nothing because they didn't want that conflict, that battle. So that's a waste fraud. You know how much more, he should have a regular car like everybody else did and a supervisor should not have that kind of car. And that's one of many examples. And he would later, I was friends with him in the beginning, but later take it out on me because of issues we had because my partner, I think I mentioned last show, the Puerto Rican bully catcher, right?
He was involved in that famous shooting in Miami, which Ripley, believe it or not, did a big episode on after he retired, where he takes the round from a bad guy who shoots into his gun, right? He had a SIG-9 millimeter. He has a SIG-9 millimeter. And when he's trying to arrest a guy in Hialeah, he fires around him and he catches in his barrel. He catches it in and plugs his barrel. He can't shoot the guy. By the goodness, the Hialeah SWAT team is on the other side of the vehicle and opens up on him and takes care of that guy. He's very lucky.
glass shatters on him and everything else. But he goes to war with that guy. But he was my mentor.
Next thing I know, I have to get transferred to Miami.
Because the sack says to me, she was a female and she's had it with the whole situation. It seems like the wall has been poisoned. And I have a weekend to figure out where I want to go. If not, I'm going to find your home. And that's after 12 years being successful in Tampa. So I spoke to my wife and at the time my grandmother was very ill. I said, well, I guess I'll go to Miami. He says, oh, how wonderful. How wonderful. You've been making a lot of new friends.
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, no, they'll they'll Yeah.
Yeah, not just that, not just pulling your weight, if you're not making money, if you're a drain, even if there's a conflict, we're going to get rid of the guy who's causing the conflict. How about an alcoholic? You can't get rid of alcoholics. We have guys in the government you can't get rid of because it's considered a disease. There's guys in the BOP that are hooked on pain pills. The correctional ulcers are coming in, they're high on pain pills.
I've written some about the corruption and some of these prison systems also in my books, prison gang killers and some of the corruption is enormous all the way to the top, all the way to the top. What was the thing in that there was a state prison where the guards could control the movement of the inmates by opening gates and they would end up letting two rival gang inmates into
an area and they were taking bets on who would win. Oh, yeah. I've seen that too. Or how about a lot of the female inmates getting pregnant by the guards there and everything else, right? Yeah, it happens a lot. I think the chief in one out there in Maryland, so it was in Baltimore, had like four or five females pregnant. Yeah. My so my what's interesting is so my wife was locked up in Coleman. You know, Coleman had the massive lawsuit.
really?
the, the COs like they're flirting with them. They're trying to sleep with them and then they get the, the, the COs bring stuff in, in for them. So they bring in food, they bring in, you know, they'll bring in cell phones, they'll bring in all kinds of stuff and then they're sleeping with the inmates. So, um, but technically the COs, if they have sex with an inmate, it's rape. The, the, the inmate, a female or male inmate cannot give consent.
Therefore it's forcible or therefore it's right. That's right. So, you know, listen, literally her, her, her Sally was having sex with one of the guards, you know, and she said, look, not that the guards weren't trying you, but she's like, they make it seem like they're being cornered and the doors are locked and three guards come in. She's, that's not what it is at all. It's like the guards are flirting with them.
they're like, you know, they would get them into a room or not, not trap them in a room, but like, hey, come, come in the office. They close the door and you know, they, they'd make out and they'd have sex and you know, and then the guard would bring stuff for them, bring them in this, bring them in that way. Hey, can I bring unacceptable unprofessional behavior? Absolutely. But yeah, but what I'm saying, I mean, from the, from the guard's perspective, obviously, but then the guards get charged with rape.
like, Oh my God, like you're charging like, like, I get it. I understand it's inappropriate, but they when you hear rape, rape, you think of Bundy and these other psychopaths, right? Of course. So to me, it's like, come up with a lesser charge. Well, to be honest with you, most of these guys just got dismissed. Yeah, fire. They were dismissed. There was a huge lawsuit. The inmates got paid, but it was in there, you know, they specifically one woman got together and got several of the girls that had
had sex with the guards and then several other girls that my wife says she's I don't I don't think that they slept with any of the CEOs like I think they just jumped on the bandwagon but it was such a publicity issue for the BOP they just immediately came in and settled.
because let's face it, the girls that can prove they had sex with them, there's text messages, they're bringing stuff in, they have samples of you know, blood DNA, DNA, I can prove this, I can prove that it's like, okay, well, there's no way you could have gotten that DNA and less. And then some of the some of the CEOs immediately once they're cornered, they admit it. Yes, this is what happened. Yes, I also know this person did this, this work. So they're giving each other up. Because if you lie,
And they prove it, then you get more charges. Now you're flying to a federal officer. Yeah. Now you got more stuff coming out your way. So anyway, what happened is they ultimately, they let these guys go and they paid out a huge, huge fine. I think that's a huge problem throughout the country and the world. Yeah. And not just men and women. I think you see also men on men too. Well, you get these, well, listen, I had, I had a, I knew a guy in there.
Oh my God, this is horrible. Um, there was a CEO that had been moved around literally. I don't know how long he'd been with the BOP, but he'd been moved around multiple times. And, um, my buddy in there, his name, I'll give him his first name was Frank. Frank was an older guy. The CEO was an older guy, probably late fifties, early sixties. Uh, my buddy's an older guy, early sixties.
He's walking by one day and the CEO who'd only been there, you know, a week or two says to him, tells him, come into the office, walks in the office. He goes, close the door. And he's like, like, you don't walk in and close the door. Like, what are you doing? He's like, um, okay. So he closes the door. It's a low, you know, so he's sitting there and the guy says, uh, how long you been here? He tells them they've been locked up about whatever it was, six years, seven years. Oh yeah.
He said, you look like you work out. You work out? He goes, Yeah, yeah, I used to work out a lot. Not so much anymore. I walked to try. He said, so he so he sparks up like a conversation. And he says, out of nowhere, the CEO says to him, you know, if you have sex with another man, and you're you're locked up, it doesn't make you gay.
And my buddy goes, yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. And he said, no, it doesn't. And he goes, Listen, man, he said, I feel uncomfortable about this conversation. I'm gonna go and he leaves when he immediately comes and he tells me and a guy named Donovan that I was friends with he comes outside. He's like, Listen to what just happened. Yeah, and he tells us weird dying laughing.
And of course, you know, listen, most of our time was in there was spent just, just giving each other a hard time. And I said, I go, listen, Frank, you got a lot of time. I mean, you might want to think now my buddy Rusini is there, right? He does legal work.
And I said, you might want to think about it. I said, listen, this may be an opportunity for a downward to get like a rule. There might be an opportunity for you. You've got a lot of time. You got nothing coming. And he goes, and he's like, fuck you. And then I said, and Donovan jumps in and he goes, think about it, Frankie is at least give him a reach around. So we're seeing he says it just from nowhere. We're seeing he goes, save the sample.
like this whole weird dying laugh. And of course, Frank yells at us, calls us a bunch of jerks and walks off. But yeah, I definitely can see them trying people. Oh, my God. Yeah. And I think what I'm reading one of my experiences what the state system is even worse. This is the state prisons are a complete lower. Yes.
It is everything. And that's where you saw the corruption. I want to say it was in Baltimore. And this is my book and it's been a while, but it was like it was run like a criminal enterprise. That the way they had everything structured with the females, with the drugs coming in, with everything, it's just unacceptable. And this is what you get when you can't get rid of people. We'll go back to our point. You have to have accountability. And the government, that action, what he did,
When I'm talking about a supervisor, it should be accountability. When you have people that are incompetent, unfit, making bad decisions or trying to hurt you, you have to have accountability because I'm risking my life, right? I'm meeting with these bad guys, making arrests, and then you come back and you have to deal with an asshole supervisor or a shitty prosecutor. And I think some of them are either bad or they've got their own agendas. You've got activist judges, but you've got activist prosecutors.
And the same thing applies everywhere. So a lot of people have no idea how difficult to be a successful. But I'm a motivated person. I'm the type of guy that sees a glass half full no matter what, right? But there people get broken easy. And they're just disgruntled. They're the kind of people that just are broken, disgruntled and just
I just want to get along, get it done. I said, no, I'm here to do the job. I came here because I had a passion. I want to do these cases. I want to put the worst in the worst in prison. So I have to get motivated and of course get my own personal life.
So I'm dealing with personal stuff, right? I'm having the cases, and you know that person has to, you know, when it's time at work, I got to focus here. When I'm here, because if not, things just don't get done. And that's one thing I give people a message. You're gonna have issues in life, you're gonna have problems, you gotta adapt and overcome and do things. That's one of the messages in the book. And I also talk about, I think, solutions.
to some of the violent crime we have, right? I know you didn't get to the backside there, but I deal with solutions, how to deal with mass shootings, solutions, how to deal with repeat violent offenders, right? Firearms trafficking, and some of the things, some of my gun laws, I mean, I did a lot of firearms trafficking cases. You talked about that, right?
How much time a lot of these guys get for farms trafficking? Three years, one guy got 36 months. The bad asses, you know, repeat violent offenders get a lot of time, right? But if you have no history and you're running a lot of guns, you don't get much time, which is a problem. We need guys to get at least 10 years for massive trafficking. I had that case, I don't know if you remember, about the dirty FFL, the federal farms licensee, how I worked up, right?
He ends up getting two years after putting tons of guns on the streets. He violates a public trust. He said he was in Venezuela. Was there one of the guys was in somewhere Latin America or Venezuela? Puerto Rico. Yeah. Was it Puerto Rico? Yeah. 30 FedEx employee. No, this was a guy he ended up getting like 30. I remember he got 36 months. I think you said, uh, was it Escobar? His last name was Escobar. Oh, out of Ecuador. Right.
And he said, you know, tried to say, oh, I was just selling them to friends. Yeah. Yeah. You're smuggling. You're a smuggler. You lied about it. You can't have those guns there. And you can't say they're a bunch of aficionados who are having fun on the weekends hunting because they weren't. There were a lot of handguns in there and they were covered in a house. This case started full of gang members in Guayaquil in Ecuador. So that's how we got to trace it back. And he was trafficking guns since his days in college in the 90s.
And he got what? He got like three years. Three years. And that's significant. A lot of times you don't see that kind. You see guys who had no criminal history.
So those are the issues I talk about where violence trafficking has to be taken more seriously. And that's something where because these guns going bad people, not just international trafficking, which that was a major international case, you have domestic trafficking and you have local trafficking and local trafficking is one of these guys getting the guns. These are bad gang members. This is how they get their guns in the black market.
And it's very easy. We have people who are doing, and I did a lot of cases where I'm dealing with felons who sell up shop in these flea markets or these gun shows, right? Private sales, right? There's no basic cash and carry, or you go online in the internet and you meet people. Felons meeting felons at the parking lot of wherever and they're buying guns. We've got some big problems to deal with that because you can pass all the gun laws you want and put all the gun control in place, which doesn't work in my opinion.
I was going to say, listen to this and tell me if this made sense. I mean, you know, when he said it, I never questioned it. It seems like, wow, that seems like a reach. Well, it's not a reach. I knew a guy that was a felon.
went to did I tell you this last time he went to one of those gun shows with his girlfriend. His girlfriend buys the gun comes back. But it was he was in his they were in his vehicle. The ATF he said had gone through and gotten the tag numbers of people at the gun show and run them. They saw that I was a convicted felon.
So he said like two weeks later or something like that, they pulled him over and he had the gun that his girlfriend had got and he ended up getting a constructive possession charge. And I think he got like three years or five years or something like that. But but but he had he had a history. No, no, he was one. He's a felon too. He had been arrested already before for drugs. Sure. So you have a history and more time. People who are like, let's say straw purchasers. Let me give this example.
You know, people who don't know what a straw is, that's somebody who has no criminal history, that goes into an FFL, a federal firearms licensee, buys some guns, says this gun is for me, right? He's an actual purchaser, and they end up giving the guns to a felon or something, right? Those people with no history, a lot of times just get a slap on the wrist and get probation.
Well, if you bought, if I bought a couple of guns, not me, but if, if somebody with no history bought a couple of guns for years, yeah, for me and had them for three or four years and then went and sold them, he's not breaking the law. The problem is when they go in and they buy the gun, knowing they're going to sell it to this guy, like I'm buying it for 500 bucks and I'm going to sell it for 1500 to this guy over here. It can't do that. Right. But if you're selling your own gun, no,
Yeah, if you're, like I said, collectors collect, right? Traffickers sell, right? I'm a collector. I keep my guns because I need my firearms. I want my weapons, right? And if you want to sell firearms, get your license. Do it the right way. You have to get background checks and a lot of stuff. Like, listen, I've been retired from ATF for close to two years now, right?
I've done the gamut with ATF investigations from undercover case agents. I've done all kinds of cases and they went to headquarters. I promoted and spent two years in headquarters and I saw behind the scenes how things worked. I became very good friends with the number one command in the central region.
and because we work together on the most sensitive projects, sensitive cases. That's because of what happened to Fast and Furious. Operation Fast and Furious, it had monitored more of these cases. So this wouldn't happen again. So guns wouldn't walk the technique walking to Mexico and the cartels. This stuff, things like that. So something's risky, sensitive. Hey, we've got to put an end to this and see what's going on here because we don't want a public safety issue and stuff like that. So I saw a lot firsthand what was behind the scenes, but I'm not happy with the Biden administration. This has changed.
And in my opinion, this is my opinion, I'm going to say this, has kind of weaponized ATF with the bump stocks and with the pistol brace, right? They were legal for years.
I know guys who bought them. They said there were no issues to attach it. Obviously, if people don't know what a pistol brace is, you put it in a handgun and you're not supposed to shoot it from the shoulder. It's supposed to help you shoot better. It's supposed to help you brace better. You're not supposed to put it on your shoulder because then it becomes an SBR. But people violate it and I guess the Biden administration thought like the bump stock.
You know, it's supposed to make you shoot faster, but it's almost automatic. Makes you pull faster, right? But Steve Paddock used it in the worst mass shooting US history in Las Vegas, right? The sniper there on the strip during the concert. And he set up like two suites, a rich guy who went crazy, but he used it. And all of a sudden he said, Oh, we got a band. No, it's what's between the ears, right? It's just an object.
Why are you punishing everybody else? So it becomes illegal. Now this is illegal, right? Now with a pistol brace, if you still have it, now you are in violation. Are you going to start arresting people because now they have an NFA because it's supposed to be a short barrel rifle or a short barrel shotgun. If you put on your shotgun now, even though it was legal for years to do that. So now you spent $300. You're supposed to dispose of it. You're supposed to use it. Throw away the $300. Throw away 300 bucks now because or try to get it registered. Good luck to you because a lot of these chiefs are not approving it.
Because you got to get approved by the local authority in your area. Well, good luck with that. So and on top of that, now, sometimes it's a waiver, sometimes say they don't, it may pay another $200 to get registered. SOT, Special Occupational Tax. Come on, man. I'm a retired ATF agent. I don't think that's right. And I think that was Biden's administration using ATF to do that. And that's my opinion. Obviously, the director now, Steve Dilbach, doesn't believe that. But he's an attorney. He was never an agent.
Well, I definitely don't think it's right that you're telling me that one, I'm so I paid for something that when I bought it, it was legal. It was $300. And now you're saying I'm, I'm going to get in trouble. Yeah, just throw it away. Well, I'm throwing away $300. No, you mean, now if you have a buyback program, you're going to give me my 300 bucks back. They don't. Yeah, that's, that's, and that's just either you trash it.
You make it inoperable or you have to go to the ATF office and turn it over. This is my point. Are we now going to make these people felons? Is that right now because they have an unregistered shotgun or rifle? I don't think so. This is my opinion. As a retired agent, I can say this now. If I was still an agent, I probably wouldn't be able to say this.
I was going to say, did you ever see there was a TikTok video where
I think it was an ATF agent comes. Yeah, it was an ATF agent comes to this guy's door. He's got some registered weapon. What? I see it. Yeah. Yeah. Where the guy goes, Oh, hold on a second and calls the police and says, there's a guy here. He says he's, he says he wants to see my guns or Columbus. You took the one guy gets arrested. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That, that was it to me. One. I, well, first of all, yeah. Yeah. But here's the thing. What killed me is this.
All he had to do was comply. Show the identification. Show the identification, comply. Let him put some handcuffs on you. That's happened to me. Huh? That's happened to me. Oh, let me hear what happened. In Brooksville. And the same thing, but the FFL, they didn't like the interview. So I'm always playing close. We don't have a unit. I'm always playing close. The FFL what? FFL didn't like the interview.
What does that mean, FFL? Federal Farms Licensee. Oh, okay. The gun shop owner. All right. Yeah. So, and we do a lot with them. And a lot of times we're playing, and some of them really are nasty. You know, just like the one guy we talked about, got two years, how dirty was some of them. Some of them are, there's a lot of good ones and there's some, some bad ones in there. And, uh, I show him identification. He's a liar. He says that some guy claimed to be an ATF agent in Cole's insurance office, just interviewed me. He's outside of the parking lot. So they come up.
and they say, hey, I need to see your identification, the whole thing. I heard you came in here and I said, no, I did show it. It's in my back pocket. It was, let me keep your hands up. I said, okay, my hands are right here. And it says, where is your identification? So one of the officers reached behind and pulls it out of my back pocket. Now I don't want to be an ass and be stupid, so I'm going to comply. So they looked at it, they verified it and explained the whole situation. I saw his situation. He said, okay, keep your hands up. Let me see your, we'll see. So
Yeah, it's you feel like you're being disrespected, the ladies try and play a system. But at the same time, you're going to be outgunned here. You're going to be outplayed here because they're more than and you're going to get tased and put down and like he got he got handcuffed thrown in the back of the mark unit. I mean, my head he bumped his head on the whole nine yards. You know, here's what bothers me is that like to me the cops showing up saying let you know, hey, you know, get out of the car. Let me see your your
I don't think feel like that's being disrespected. I mean, to me, it's like, like, to me, I don't know why they're here. They don't really know what's going on. They're asking to see my ID. I did. Absolutely. That's what I can play. Yeah, exactly. The problem was that guy. He immediately you can just tell he's a dickhead. You know, hey, don't I'm a federal agent. Hey, look, I'm sure you're a real badass, bro. But for right now, put your fucking hands up. Yeah, let me see your you know, I'm saying like you do what I tell you to do right now. You don't know what the situation is.
So mouthing off what happens, he ends up escalating his head. Suddenly he starts talking about a heart condition and everything. It's like, I can't, I can't breathe. Remember I can't breathe. Yeah. Stop it, bro. Like nobody, like nobody cares about some guy who works at Walmart who's getting arrested if he's got a heart condition or he can't breathe or, you know, no, no, we're coughing. You're putting in the back of the car. You had a chance. I always loved the people that the TikToks where the guys
don't want to show their driver's license or something. Oh, I don't need a driver's license to drive. That's not gonna go good. Like, I don't know which one of your idiot friends told you that was a thing. But it's not. No, anytime they start disrespecting law enforcement and escalate. It's you're gonna lose. Yeah. Have you ever seen on the videos on the airplanes, when people start getting confrontational with the stewardess, and they get out of control, and then they start yelling at the pilot,
That's not going to go good for you. No, this is not going to end well. No, no. I mean, there's so many Karens and Kevins out there. Have you ever seen all those Karen videos? Yeah, I love those. A lot of cops show up and they're just like, what are you doing? Yeah, he can do that. Or, you know, oh, he's videoing. He's videoing in the street. He's allowed to video in the street. Yeah. Are they going these crazy rants for whatever reason?
and they think they're entitled and they can do and yell and do all these things. If you haven't seen those videos, folks, take a look at them. Typing, watching a Karen out of control. They're nuts. They're absolutely nuts. And you can see a lot of them on the airplanes too. That's because they would turn the plane around, which I've seen the videos, they're going to land and it gets just waiting for you. The locals are. Yeah. And it's going to get ugly. And you see the videos, it gets ugly.
Listen, I saw one the other day where the woman was escorted off the plane, but, but, you know, the pilot basically came out and said, look, you gotta go. But people were videoing and she gets upset. They didn't call the police. She just walks off the plane yelling and cussing and screaming. And as she walks off, she screams, I hope you guys crash, burn and die. And then, and right then the pilot went, Oh hell no. And he went after her. I have no doubt that she got up. She got arrested, you know, or the police came and questioned her.
Don't get cute. Don't start talking about bombs and terrorists and blowing up and dying. Angry. They get out of control. I don't know how people don't know how to be measured, but a lot of it, I go back to mental health issues because a lot of people are off their meds and you see it over and over again to get on these planes and they don't handle orders. They don't handle your rules. You go to a plane, there's lots of rules.
And you think you can't tell me what to do and you touched me and I'm going to let you have it. You can't touch me. You can't touch me. I'm a law enforcement officer. I'm putting handcuffs on you. I'm going to touch you. You're done. You're done. And the stewardess can't even take control of you if you're a danger to the plane. They wrap people. Have you seen the picture? They get wrapped up and everything. They wrap them up. I mean, okay. I have a question. Have you ever met any sovereign citizens?
I've heard of them. I don't think I met one personally, unless maybe they were they didn't tell me. Oh, listen, the jails are full of them. Like prisons full of them. Like there's not full of them. But there's probably I've met 30 of them. I actually have done an interview with this one guy who's a sovereign citizen. And I mean, well, they are so convincing. Like, obviously, I know he's insane. But they are so 100%. I love people that talk so convincing. And they're crazy, confident about
Well, no, about what they believe. But you know, it's insanity. Like they're telling you that the earth is flat or something. And they have all these reasons why it's flat. And you're sitting there looking at him like, right. And the whole time I'm looking at him thinking, right, right. He's thinking he's convincing me. And I'm thinking, what went wrong chemically in your mind that has you believing that you don't have to pay income tax?
that law enforcement has no authority, no authority over you that, you know, like there's all these things in it and money doesn't exist. Um, you know, like he'll go on and on like, right, right. And what's so funny about those guys is that, um, like I've never once ever in over a decade dealing with these guys have ever seen a successful
They're always some guy staying in somebody's spare room who could barely pay their bills, who are, you know, they think they've got it all figured out. And yet you were the most, you're this close to being on the street. Yeah. You know, and they never, you never meet some guy living in a $2 million house as a sovereign citizen like that. And if he does, it's because he's committing tax fraud and he's about to go to prison, be indicted and go to prison.
Yeah, well, that's pretty much what's been out of control after Waco with Timothy McVeigh, right? Maybe he was the ultimate sovereign citizen. And I wrote a book about McVeigh and the face of domestic US domestic terror. And it says there one step away being McVeigh, some of these sovereign citizens, right? Because they're anarchists.
Yeah, well, kind of, yeah. They're not anarchists as much as they just think that the United States laws don't apply to them, which doesn't mean that they want anarchy as much as it's them saying, no, no, I'm my own person. I'm in charge of myself. Your laws don't apply to me, which is insanity. Yeah, that's insanity.
Yeah, that's like, and I wrote a book about McVeigh and what's been out of Waco. I mean, you think about, you know, we talked a little bit about Jim Jones last time, right? Right. We talked about the cult. And the Branch Davidians are a smaller version of the People's Temple, right? Instead of 900-something dying, it was 70-something dying in there and the firing ending there. But in the events there, I will talk about a little bit of McVeigh, people who don't know what Timothy McVeigh is. McVeigh
was he was a decorated U.S. war veteran in the Persian Gulf War. If he would have been killed in the Persian Gulf War to liberate Kuwait from Saddam Hussein, he would have been a hero, a patriot, right? But five years later, from 1990, he becomes the worst domestic terrorist in U.S. history. And it's fascinating to see his transformation. I mean, from, he had issues, I do a lot of research and I read all the stories and everything else.
He was kind of growing up becoming a loner. He was kind of an introvert, right? His grandfather taught him a lot about firearms. So he became a big firearms enthusiast. He became really into firearms. Great. That's why he joined the army. He became decorated and all that. But he also got involved with some anti-government white nationals. And his co-conspirators that he uses there, Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier, were also from the army.
All these guys who commit this act were army veterans who come in and get together and commit this act against other Americans in the name of a tyrannical regime. Didn't they catch him? Didn't he also have a copy of the Turner diaries? He was also pumping that crap. He gets brainwashed with that garbage because he starts, before he does all this stuff, before Waco, he does a tour on the gun show. I met a lot of people in the gun show circuit. They're good people. There's some bad ones.
And he said the farther west he went, because he said the crazier or the more extremist they were, the more anti-government they were. And those who don't know what the Turner Diaries are, it's about this anti-government group, white nationalist group, that use a truck bomb to hit FBI headquarters and take it out. Well, he copies it. Instead of FBI headquarters, he goes after ATF. He goes after ATF and other federal agencies in Oklahoma, but he parks it. And I'll get there. He parks in front of daycare, right?
And he later calls it collateral damages revolution. He killed me with a little babies and all that. I don't want to get 20 or 30 of them, something like that. Horrible stuff, man. The federal agency, the office was, was empty that day. ATF. Yeah. ATF agents come in later because we work later all hours, right? We're not nine to five guys. We're guys that work late. So, but he killed a lot of agents. So I think it's in my book, the numbers I put in there, I think IRS and DEA and other ones.
but he was anti-government he originally won instead of he thought he thought what he said later was that he got his most bang for his buck with a truck bomb because he also wanted to assassinate agents he also wanted to assassinate judges he also wanted to kill politicians so he really went he snapped he went okay so then why is he driving around with a in a vehicle with no tag on it yeah like then it's going to plan things
But at the end, he had fought, it was Oklahoma State Prooper that pulled him over with no tag at the end. Like what an idiot, like, like, like all of the things that he did and put together, like, I mean, remove, you know, remove the morality of the entire situation. The fact is the, the planning was, it was well planned and then you have no escape strategy. Like you have no, like it just completely, like, listen to me, it's like robbing a bank.
Like you could plan all the things but if you can't figure out how to get out of that bank and get away scot free, all that planet doesn't mean anybody you could have gone in with a note. You know, like, it's so the idea that he planned that whole thing, and then gets caught on such a stupid
You know little little technicality or little glitch or the trooper he gets arrested enough for that He gets arrested because he had a concealed weapon. He had a 45 Glock in his waistband He had it in case the second fuse wouldn't go he was gonna activate himself He was gonna shoot it and he said he was gonna die in the truck with it But he was gonna have an explosion no matter what he was gonna initiate the charges himself over the second fuse He had that he parked that car there two days earlier But he had a car there. Like you said these guys were poor
Yeah, they stole a lot to make this happen. I mean, it's unbelievable the stuff he had to pull off to get this done. It took him like a year and a half to get it going. Did you see the interview on him where he said he talks about where they said what was the first thing you thought of when you looked over and he said, I was disappointed because I really thought I was going to bring the whole building down. Okay, so this first thought was
didn't have enough, I didn't have enough Ampho ammonium nitro fertilizer and he had over 5,000 pounds. That building almost came completely down. That chunk out of that thing, that explosion must have been... Yeah, it was 30 foot wide crater, eight foot deep. That's impressive. That's impressive. And he took them down.
and of course he will become the first federal prisoner executed in 38 years. President Bush signed off it in June 11th, 2001 and became before 9-11. He was okay with it though, too. He didn't fight it. At the end, he didn't care. He didn't want to live like that anymore. Terry Nichols, I thought, the co-conspirator, helped him get out the explosives. Who knew about this? He should have been executed also. He went to a state trial in Oklahoma, convicted of 168 counts of murder
but the jury was deadlocked on the death penalty. How did he get caught? I guess with all the evidence they had and putting the case together. Didn't he rent the van? He was part, I know he was part with the rental. He's part of the conspiracy with explosives and he had all this stuff also at different storages and locations. And so they put the case together with him. So he went down,
Michael Fortier also helped his wife also help McVeigh put fake IDs, but she was given immunity And he is now witness protection program. He was out already Michael Fortier. So he's out and about witness protection So we have him but he testified against both these guys
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Tell them myself that that, I mean, I know it's a cliche, you know, that truth is stranger than fiction, but I mean, there's stuff that I'm just like, I never could have come up with this. Yeah. If I had to just imagine it, like some of the things that people say and things that happened, it's like, this is insane. Is it a bone chilling to watch him be interviewed there at Waco where you know what he's going to do two years later on that anniversary? Yeah. Oklahoma. We just had the anniversary, the 30 year anniversary of Waco and the 20 year anniversary of Oklahoma.
That's the reason why it inspired me to write all this stuff and get involved. We had four agents that were killed. Like I said, with Jim Jones, with Koresh, they cooperated. We talked about the agent. Why didn't he cooperate? If you cooperate with the investigation, you get your time in court. Your time in court is not to open up on the agents when they come in with a search warrant. People don't know this. They were tipped off about agents coming in because a local reporter
So rather than being sleeping and not prepared for it, they're all prepared and armed and it's an all out war and four agents are murdered because of it. So.
Those events let it trigger. And then if Koresh really wanted to let those kids out, he showed the kids out. Because the listing device the FBI had over there, and when they're coming after 51 days, they had enough of this, they wanted to get the kids out, they heard them saying, hey, they're coming, let's set the fire on. It wasn't the FBI, the feds that set the fire. He did. He started the fire. And that's out there also. So those events that said the government did this, why not cooperate? You're the ones that triggered all these problems.
You know what I'm saying? We have a legal search warrant. You're illegally having firearms here. He also was having sex with minors. He was doing other things, right? You know, he had some weird rules there where, you know, if you came as a couple, he was the only one that could have sex with your wife. You know, he did unbelievable stuff, right? All these cult leaders, once they get a little bit of power, you know, they all get weird and almost immediately they get power, you know, power
Well, you know, absolute power corrupts, you know, absolutely. And then even if these guys initially maybe they had aspirations of coming up with some kind of a church or something, maybe they had, you know, good aspirations, very quickly, it tends to go right. The moment they get absolute power, they immediately get nuts.
I think we talked a little about Jim Jones before People's Temple, but if Jim Jones in the 50s, let's say 60s, before he got really out of control, because he was a civil rights leader in some sense, integrating the churches, integrating a lot of different things. He was the first, him and his wife were the first couple to adopt a black child in Indiana. I mean, they did a lot of things. He would die in a car accident. He'd probably been a civil rights hero, right? And say he becomes a monster in 1978 for what happens in Jonestown.
So people snap, people change. David Koresh was a good guy, I think, at the beginning, and then he changed. And I think he became this monster. Like you see these guys, he should have let those children go. There's no need to set the fires. There's no need to have done all that. But at the end, this is what goes on because his ego is, and none of these guys, they believe the followers are their property, right? And we're all going down with it. This is my world. It's all mine. So mother, mother, please remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mother, mother, please. Listening to that.
listening to that tape of Jim Jones when everybody's being poisoned, sickening, it is bone chilling. This is insanity. You can hear the people crying. I don't know if I told you what I felt. I saw my book about how I felt about Leo Ryan, the congressman, going out there. How do you go out there not being armed?
So I thought about that and I think and I noticed this a lot of times is that if you're if you've been raised in a non violent
environment and you've been surrounded by it, you somehow, and especially if you suddenly become, get to like a position of power yourself, you start thinking that you're somehow or another shielded from violence. Like you don't think anything bad's going to happen to you because you've never been a part of it. You've heard about it, but you've never seen it. And all he's, when he went out there, he's really just being told that we're not being allowed to leave.
So he's may not be thinking that they're maybe he's not thinking that he's in danger, he's gonna go out, he's gonna see what happens, gonna have a conversation, he's gonna leave, he's probably not thinking.
that Jones is insane, as insane as he clearly was. You probably didn't think there was that much risk. What I was reading is that he saw the affidavits. He read the reports on a local paper out there in San Francisco. He knew these guys were doing these horrible things in these medical units, right? People who wanted to leave and cause problems, they were taking special treatment in the medical camp, the medical unit, and they're injected with a coma-inducing medication and forced to become sex slaves, right? Your problem,
Jones down? Yeah, Jones down. Yeah. Oh, I didn't I didn't realize that. I don't I haven't heard this. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's in the reports is all in there. He knew that because he had the lobby. Some people were able to escape and they gave sworn affidavits, right? I read the affidavits. They gave sworn affidavits. What happened? He knows all this because he's even trying to figure out
He even tried to get Dan Quayle, who was a representative to come with him, from Indiana, because Quayle's from Indiana. Listen to this, he tried to get Quayle to go with him and others. Not that bullet. Yeah, he didn't, nobody wanted to go. No one wanted to go because they thought this guy was dangerous and crazy. So this is another issue. A lot of people already told him, this is dangerous. Be careful going down there. And he thought he was safe because he took NBC News with him, the Washington Post. Hey, I'm taking, these were some of the biggest names in NBC at the time.
Remember that these are big names in NBC who going out there like the Brian Williams of their time, right? And he's going down there dude. He cleans house and everybody No, no one gets out of that that thing alive So the cameraman's last action saw the video was filming them shooting his goon squad shooting at them at the plane That's his last thing he does out there, but he knew how how dangerous so in this medical tent medical unit
He would put coma-inducing medication in slave people, put it in hot boxes if you were a problem, make you so big. You're Guyana. You're in the jungle. You're in South Africa. He would find boa constrictors, tie you up, and wrap it around your neck when I was reading to squeeze the life out of you. I mean, he was doing some really bad things to these people. He was an ultra-communist. He had become a Marxist, Leninist, hardcore. He even went to visit Fidel Castro in Cuba, in Havana,
I talk about because he is a myer of Castro. He was a myer of Stalin. He was a myer of Lenin He even has Soviet officials come because he was creating a Soviet Marxist Leninist utopia It's what he created there and he was ready. Everybody gets a little bowl of rice like Mao Tse Tung Here's your bowl of rice, but they ate well his command staff ate. Well, they had meats They had everything else but the people had to put 12-hour days in
I just thought that there were families that were saying that their family members weren't communicating with them. They were in Guyana.
they were being and they felt they were being held against their will. Maybe they got in the letter like that. I didn't know that there was there was some escaped and wrote affidavits that he was aware he knew they had weapons. He knew that they were doing mock drills to prepare for this mass suicide because he had a preparing mock drills. He would have white night drills where he said the government's coming and he would have the guy shoot above their heads.
For the followers and the crowd on the floor to keep fear instilling them. He knew what he was getting himself into I think that was that you get a madman like that to approach him like that and then all of a sudden everybody wants to leave He's gonna have that remember those that I want to leave those are getting people notes. You want to get out of here? Yeah, that just and in the video the one guy try to stab him Remember that one one guy tries to stab him and then the reporter says we got to get out of here This is get out of control and all of a sudden that's when they follow them to the tarmac there and the planes and they kill him
And if you haven't read the book, if you haven't seen their interview, Jackie Spear does a great interview. She survived. She was an assistant. She plays dead for 24 hours, taking five rounds in and lays in a tarmac for 24 hours playing dead until the army of Guyana comes in and she's saved. They thought they had killed her and she plays dead. You ever seen Jackie Spear's interview? Listen to that and what she says. She later become the congresswoman in his district years later. Good stuff.
All right. That's good. Yeah, I did not. Hey, with me, you get true crime, you get an all dimensions with me and I can talk all the way getting monetized. So I will let you know if it does. And we don't even do politics. We just did true crime. Now I can have more fun with politics too, if you want it. That's another time. Um, yeah.
So and you can see my poster behind me here ATF undercover you liked it thumbs up Yeah, that's the book. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not done yet. But yeah, it was good. Good. It was I appreciate that Yeah, definitely I'm trying to think we'll we'll put the description we'll put the the link Is that the only one that's on audible? I'm working with Sean, man. He's a busy guy. So you get the other one audible. I'm trying to pull a lot of my audible
Yeah, it's a lot of work. It's for him, especially I did the writing already, but I'm always cranking more out. I would like to put psycho killers out there on all because I think people really it's scary. And I think people need to know how dangerous serial killers are everywhere. I think people don't understand how prolific they are. I heard the other day that the average person comes in or crosses the path of something like was it like three to six, three or it was like three or six
Um, psychopaths a day that they actually come into contact with and don't even know it. Don't even know it. I don't know if that number is correct. I don't know how you figure that number out, but I don't know. But there are many of those are Jekyll and Hyde. That's for sure. They can have a normal life and a night they transform themselves into the social path psychopath, which they have no consideration for life. They don't care. They don't care about life existence. And what's sad is a lot of them prey on young children. And that's heartbreaking. That really is because they never had a life.
And they die horrible ways, which is, and that's why people have to be stranger danger, be aware of your environment and don't trust anybody you don't really know. I mean, Bundy was really good at this. Remember, I don't know if you saw the documentary on Bundy. Yeah, he was super charming. No, everybody said he was charming. How about he has, he has the crutches, right? He always has the books and he has the young ladies. Hey, can you please help me to the car? And second, they help him in the car, get stumped in the head. And he knew how to kill people quietly.
And all these guys learn that quickly. It's not about shooting someone, making noise or stabbing where this could be yelling, screaming. You thump them in the head and then they break their neck or they do whatever. And that's it. Quiet like a little like a chicken, right? Quietly done. And then he does bad things later. And those are more things that they would do. If you're interested in that, look into it. You see my book, but I can really describe more of the stuff that he does afterwards, which is unbelievable.
I'm not going to read that, but I hear you. But if you like that kind of stuff, read it. How did you become an ATF? You were always interested in that sort of thing. Where were you born? I was born in Los Angeles in California.
but raised in South Florida, in Miami. I've always had some interest in law enforcement, obviously. You grew up in the same times. I was born in the 70s, and I grew up when I was younger, in the 80s, with Miami Vice. I'm in South Florida. How cool is it? You're seeing Don Johnson. You're watching the cool cars, the Ferraris. You're thinking, man, that is pretty cool. That always was obviously in the back of your head, and you're looking at that, but never thought
I would ever do that kind of work, really. I thought it was cool, and I liked the guns, I liked the training, I liked putting down these bad guys, and the cocaine cowboys were huge back in the 80s. Well, years later, I go to college, I went actually up not far from where you're at, up to St. Louis University, it's a Catholic university, and I got my degree in political science and history.
then I come back to FIU in Miami. So now we're looking about the mid nineties and, uh, I get, I'm working my degree international relations and I was doing a law school. I accepted to a law school in Lansing, Michigan, Thomas Cooley and you know, the farthest thing in my head, but, and I'm seeing the prices, how expensive law school is, and this is mid nineties, a lot more now obviously, but even in the mid nineties and I didn't have a, I had a scholarship in college. I played tennis a number one for my school.
but it was going to cost me about like about $30,000 a year, right? $30,000 a year, three years at least you have housing, you gotta get your loans for all that stuff. And I'm thinking, and I know how competitive is law school. And some people were saying that that's a lot of money, but I already have my degree, very athletic. I was just shooting. My dad taught me how to shoot early in life. We'll go to the range. My dad was a gun. So I'm competent with a firearm, right? I'm athletic.
And I'm thinking, wow, and I notice internet just started, right? This is 1995. Windows came out and I didn't use it in college, but I said, man, this is the future, right? So I got myself a computer and I taught myself because this is people that say, what are you doing? What's, what's emailing? What do you do? I got myself a Yahoo account.
people prodigy right people had no idea what the stuff what dial up what are you what are you doing and it's like well this is the future and people like no i don't think this is going to last i think no i think this is going to be i was one of those guys i was like this is the guy to catch on this is people are not going to spend their time online what what are you talking about and i was like oh no i think you will especially when i saw everybody pumping especially get government jobs that's why i went so when usa that's one of the reasons i went on there because usa jobs was available to look at was opening
and I was interested in going with customs so I applied for customs right they were looking for Spanish speakers which I grew up Miami my parents are Spanish Cuban they came grandparents from Spain went to Cuba then after the Castro revolution they they came to the United States and they lost everything and they have my family start over again and I'm fortunate enough to be in this great country
I work on that.
and I put in there and so they need people because in Miami and Miami International Airport, most of the flights, 85% of them come from Latin America, right? So they want the customs officials to be able to engage and speak Spanish because it's easier to catch people who are mules or smuggling drugs. You gotta know what you're dealing with. And I grew up Miami, so I grew up with all the different cultures from South America, from Latin America, from Mexico, a lot of my friends. So I knew all that and I spoke Spanish. So I put in for the jobs, right? And I got it.
pretty quickly with customs. So that was something where I was going to law school and I said, this is better because now I'm making quite a good money. I'm going to have a good pension, right? I'm in law enforcement and I really enjoy it. It is satisfying what the kind of work I started doing. So you start there at the airport, you get your cut your teeth into like password processing, and then I make one of their elite teams with customs called a contraband enforcement team. And at the time, the nineties,
Miami South Florida making some of the biggest seizures in the country, right? You know, you still have the Cali cartel. You still have the Medellin cartel and they're still pumping a lot of drugs and I don't like what the Mexicans I do when they take over. They're doing it the school way with cargo. They're doing with ships. They're doing with the Florida and the Caribbean. And that's how they're getting it through to actually in Florida. So I wasn't uncommon, you know, after you on the job,
You're saying back then that's how they're doing it, or you're saying that's how they're doing it now? No, no, back then, back then. The Medellin, Cali, all those guys have collapsed, and now the Mexicans, and I've written books about how strong they've gotten, and they're almost more powerful than the Columbus ever were. You know, you talk about El Chapo, the El Mentos, and I'll go into that also, how strong they've become, and how they've changed the game completely, and how we have to change.
You know, and I've written about that to my experiences. So I get in there and so, you know, I'm now in the middle of the drug war. You know, I'm the front line with customs. So what do you do? I mean, what is that? What does that detail consist of? Yeah. So Miami has a ton of cargo that comes in through Latin America, right? And also passengers, a lot of it coming in and my job and the border, you know, border authority is everything that comes international is subject to search.
Right. I don't need probable cause like I would later when I became an agent, which is a completely different game. So it was a lot easier to make seizures and make arrests because when you come in, you have your questions, people can be searched and you figure out what's going on right there. And with cargo side,
It's everything comes in and especially from Latin America, transatlantic country. It wasn't uncommon for me to see, we've got these 850 pounds of cocaine that was coming in in group or fish that was coming from Guayaquil, Colombian drugs, going to Columbia, going to Ecuador and then being shipped because within five, six hours it's in Miami. And the corruption was really bad in South Florida, right? The airport, you had the rap workers were dirty. You had the longshoremen were dirty. Uh, you, you had a ton of corruption. The money's overwhelming.
And that stuff was never going to go where it's supposed to go. It gets ripped off, right? It has the, uh, the bill lading, right? Where it's supposed to go. But those stuff never go. When you got that kind of fish, when you look inside this major grouper, you get a kilo coke next to a block of ice. That stuff was going to get taken out. And, and, and that was not uncommon to see 600, 800 pounds coming in and get ripped up. And that's what we got. So what does that tell you? The stuff that got in? Yeah. What's not getting caught a lot.
A lot and they knew that was the quickest way to get it in because the demand back in the 1980s and 90s is still today. Unfortunately, is enormous for cocaine. I always said the way to stop the cartels if people stop using the stuff, right? If people got the treatment, the cartels are the drug, right? It's over. That's it. Yeah, we won the war on drugs the way we won the war on drugs and what Johnny said though is from within.
Cuba was it Castro said it was the
He said the pink menace or he said that was the best way to undermine the United States was through the importation of drugs. Hugo Chavez from Venezuela used to do that before he died. Cuba saw, but Castro did not want to be called a trafficker because he saw what happened to Noriega. Back in the late 80s, Manuel Noriega, when he got involved, the US ended up invading and bringing him over. The former president of Honduras, Hernandez,
He was a big time drug trafficker. He just got extradited to the United States. Maduro has been indicted. So I thought I had read something about Cuba, like Castro wasn't like involved in it, but he was allowing for short for a period of time. He like allowed planes to land or fly through airspace and then caught up with him. And then he was like, okay, we're done with that.
Yeah, he didn't want to get caught up with that but he would tolerate some things but not on the island because he didn't want give the United States a chance to bring him in because it happens to world leaders all over. They get involved in the drug game. It's a conspiracy against us in the United States and we've had the case all and we extract these guys and bring them over and El Chapo is a perfect example of what happened to him when he finally got extradited and now he is in the supermax in Florence Colorado and he was a very very powerful guy and not so much so
I'm caught in that fascinating view frontline, right? I'm meeting a lot of people because we make a lot of seizures. So I'm networking with the FBI. I'm networking with ATF, especially DEA, customs at a time where Department of Treasury and after 9-11, everything changes, right? Yeah, everybody changes. ATF will end up going to justice. Customs will go to Department of Homeland Security. It would leave Treasury. So a lot of things change. We're making a lot of good seizures.
Yeah.
They would get used or they say if you don't do it in these the cartels they go in these villages, right? And they pretty much forced these guys to do it or they're gonna hurt your family kill the family some got paid I mean, I found it the guys who went let's say if you were from, you know Miami or you were from Puerto Rico and you end up flying to you know, Cali or something like that. You said three four days like Why are you there? What was the purpose of your trip rightly?
And I got really good at it. I mean, you could easily have two or three pounds of cocaine in you or heroin. Heroin really start picking up in the 90s with the Colombians, right? And that's a lot of money, a lot of dope in there. But the problem with that is something if it leaks, you're going to get in a plane. It's so pure, you're not going to survive. So we get calls a lot of people are dead on arrival. They're on the plane. We got to clean them up. It's that easy to pass either.
So if you can't pass the stuff fast enough, even when we catch them, we would have to take them to the hospital and MIA and give them these laxatives. And it still takes a while to pass it. These cartel members, if you're, you make it and you're in one of these hotels, which happens all the time, you can't pass the stuff fast enough. They'll put a bullet in your head. They'll gut you and they'll take the stuff out. So a lot of times they were lucky that we caught them because it was not, not good stuff for them. And even then sometimes still need surgery. It's stuff wouldn't come out.
I mean, it's risky, it's sad, it's horrible to see these people. And this is something I'm seeing firsthand. You know, a guy who says, man, this is the war on drugs. This is how it looks like. This is what's going on. It becomes normal, natural. You feel bad because you're being used, right? It's much sexier from Don Johnson's point of view.
For the Don Johnson point of view, it's much sexier. He's got the Ferrari. You got the Ferrari, which is cool. He folds up, remember he would fold up the suit? Do you remember the jacket? Oh yeah! Yeah, the cool colors, right? Yeah. So far your version of it sucks. Your version is work.
right that yeah yeah a lot of work that's uh that's true is that glamorous but you you're satisfied at least you're stopping up and going somebody else that's gonna maybe hurt their life that that part there so you see a lot of that Miami it's just a ton of that you'll put it in the stems of flowers
I wrote a story about a guy that's what they did, they had the concrete.
I'm
And I'll talk a little bit about that. What happens, the collapse, you know, Escobar was killed, the collapse of the Midian Cali cartels, and then the Mexican cartels stepping up and working with the FARC, which has now changed, even they changed now. And now they have a different name. And they're working with them. They're bringing the coke to them. And Mexico takes care of all distribution. They handle from there on. They take it all. They don't have to worry about that. You just make it. We take care of it. We go into Colombia. So the Mexicans pretty much are running Colombia and Central America.
They're not just in Mexico, they're all over the region. And then, of course, on top of that, you have the collapse with the communism and socialism that's taken over the region, which really paralyzes the whole country. That's why we really have to keep an eye on what's going on in there. So I made a lot of contacts, and I said, you know what, this is cool.
I don't mind doing this kind of work, but I wouldn't mind if they dealt with a lot of agents, investigators, to take it to a next level, which is what you do as an agent. I'm not stuck to the airport now. As an agent, I get to go all over the country, all over the world, make my cases. I deal with probable cause and stuff like that. I network a lot with FBI.
ATF DEA and customs, you know, you make sense I was worried with customs I would just go over as an agent right since I've worked a lot with these guys But they didn't want to give up a lot of their inspectors because he knows hard to fill his positions So they didn't want higher so I had to go with other agencies and put in for them It's not fair to me. I wanted to be an agent. I wanted to be an investigator I want to do other things. So eventually ATF was the fastest one it picked me up and
Nice. For clarity purposes. So here's what, you know, because just this is what I understand. So, and I only understand this because I've written several stories. I wrote a story called American Narco and
and so it so you're saying like right as a custom agent like you find this you find the drugs and you're like okay then you're notifying somebody else because and then they're setting that trying to either follow that that you know the that that drug shipment and bust the guys is that it because it'll I let me give you an example I had a what the story I wrote they had shipped in marijuana in these tiles
The gig is up.
Yeah, they bust him like two days later, they come and raid their house or something, their houses and stuff. But so at this point with customs, you're just saying, hey, here's what we found. And they're doing the rest of that. You wanted to actually be the guy to go the next level. Right. OK. Yeah. Well, I just find what the next level is. Yeah, because their customs was inspectors. Right. That's the term. I think it's changed now, but it turns to be customs inspectors. We had a rest authority and you did everything else. And then there's the agents, the criminal investigators.
that go and you give them, Hey, I just had this huge seizure right now with this fish, right? 850 pounds. All right. We can set up surveillance within the airport, right? Close to the airport, the warehouse. But if it's going, let's say to New York city, right? Well, they're taking it from there. Yeah. They're there. When I go to New York city, I got to stay and do my job and do the next shift and get some more dope that's coming in because you know what? It doesn't stop. They knew if they factor those losses in,
because that's part of doing business with the Colombian cartels. They just keep on bringing in, okay, hey, they got this one, guess what, we're just going to 4,000 it. And that doesn't, that's good. So I wish I picked up with ATM. Because sometimes you don't know, right? You take a chance. Sometimes they may say the Southwest border.
Sometimes you might have to go to New York City, or a big city where it's really expensive. I got fortunate enough, I stayed in Florida. I went to school, like I said, at St. Louis University, just north of Tampa, where you are, Pasco County. And I started working from there. And I was fortunate enough, the group I started, a lot of guys worked undercover. Because you can't just go into undercover work.
I grew up in Catholic schools, and now I have to learn this world. I learned a little bit for the drug world, which is fascinating.
But now I got to work face to face undercover where I pretend to be like these guys and how to fool some of these guys who are hardened professional criminals. That's all they do and make them think I'm one of them. I'm nothing like it. I wasn't say which is is, you know, like you said, you watch it on TV and people think, oh, I could do that. No, you can't. They spot you in a second. I used to joke around.
you know, with the guys in prison, like, you know, they would just be walking and they see me and they say, hey Cox, what's up? And I go, I can't call it. And they just stop. They go, they just start laughing. They go, stop. I go, what are you talking about? I did that. I did that good. They go, no, it's even worse when you do it. They're like, they're like, you're not even close. You come close to pulling out and you can't, you just can't fake that.
It's hard. You really have to become an actor to be able to fake industrial. To be able to fake that. You have to be good at it. It takes time. It takes time. You got to practice it. And it takes years. So I had good mentors. I watched a lot. And you develop your own technique. You watch these guys. I spoke Spanish.
So that's an advantage. I make sure my English was broken. I didn't sound like that. It just came out cool. Yes, I knew, right? Right. So you have to come up and let my hair really long. I think I sent you some pictures. I don't know if you saw them yet. I haven't seen them yet. Yeah, I'll see them. I'll check them out. All right. I say some pictures. My hair was long and a big beard. I didn't want to get all the tats. Some guys that because when I got out of it, I knew I'll be done with it.
Right. I want to go back to who I was. I don't want to be saying, oh, great. I got this now. People say, what the heck's wrong with this? So that was never me. I never really cared for it. That wasn't my thing. So I wanted to think enough. The beard's OK. The hair was long enough. You do the accents. You get to know the culture, get to know these guys. It was easier to deal with people that they were not Spanish speakers. You tell your story, who you're working with. You say, hey, these families are looking, the cartels are looking for guns, right? Because they are.
And my job here is ATF is to buy a lot of guns and these guys I don't want funny paperwork Right, so I don't want to show up in those shop put my information in there, right? So these guys will sell me guns off the street Untraceables and you pay a premium for that because that's what you want and a lot of these guys have horrific criminal histories So I dealt a lot with repeat violent offenders. I dealt a lot with gang members armed drug traffickers and
International firearms traffickers, domestic firearms traffickers, I dealt with armed home invaders, case for murder for hires. So that was ATF's niche. What does ATF do? Alcohol, tobacco, firearms. Well, it's a small A for alcohol, a small T for tobacco, a huge F and immediate E for explosives.
So we do a lot of gun cases. Needless to say a lot of guns and that's what ATF is. Uh, and so I found that fascinating and I knew something about guns, but man, I, I became an expert on pretty much a gun control act, NFA national firearms act and all the different weapons from machine guns, silencers, pipe bombs, you know, ATF someplace call it with all the training. ATF stands for all the fun because we would do a lot of shooting. I mean, I trained in handguns from pistols, revolvers,
My M4, which is a short, short barrel rifle, right? I had shotguns. Yeah. Something short barrel shotguns also we were shooting. So we trained in a lot of different weapons and then we also went familiarized in case you come across different machine guns. We know what we're doing, right? Got to make sure and check all that stuff out. So that's what, that's what we did ATF. And it's something that's early enough. You have to cut your T. You know, what, one of the guys that worked with, um, he was Puerto Rican and he was involved back in the eighties in a shootout where he had a sig nine millimeter.
The bad guy has 6.9mm, he fired the round, and his round went into his gun and plucked the barrel. So he's like this, and the round goes like this. It's like one in a million. And then Hialeah.
Back in the eighties, so it can get ugly and wild. So we had a good time. We had some good stories and I learned a lot from him and had been Puerto Rican and I saw how he tackled things and all that. So I developed my own style. We worked a lot together and then I grew up and then, you know what also helps? Having good informants. You have a good informants, which way I developed a lot of these guys. They can pretty much you walk on water. It's a goal. You say, Hey, he vouches for you. Some more questions. It's just, let's do business.
Hey, he said, you're the guy. Okay, man, this is what you want. No questions asked and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. This is what these guys do. But if you have a bad informant who's playing both sides, it'll destroy your investigation. Yeah, you have to have accountable. So you really, and once you, that's why I like to, once I had the introduction, I cut them out.
Yeah, yeah.
Enormous size so we we just can't delegate. Hey, I need you to surveillance. I need you to do undercover I'm the kid I do everything I'm the the undercover. I'm the case agent right I deal with property I deal with my own intelligence workup I work all the different hats because you have to because we're smaller outfit if you want to do the bigger cases Now you want to small you don't do that
Right. I was going to say the informant thing. I'm researching a story right now. It's like, it's funny, you know, you do all the incident reports, you read through the incident reports and the first thing they do, like literally, obviously this guy got busted. You know, he got, he got busted. I think he got, no, he got busted for, I think it was for a gun actually. And then he goes and he makes them, they have him make a couple of meth buys.
You know,
I'm
I know you can't put him on the stand like it was since then you've been busted for this and this like and he has a huge incentive to lie and the agent doesn't So, you know, you want to let me on the stand you want it to be the agent. That's right a clean jacket He introduced me. Here's what I did. I bought a kilo over the course of the next month Yeah, that's the best way to do it You have to because and unfortunately some of these guys have have drug addictions, right? Yeah, I
And they keep on doing stuff, they get messed up and they're not right where they're high, right? And they do stupid things. So those are the factors you got to get into. That's why I was fortunate. Some people don't want to do undercover work.
I really like playing the role. I deal with all kinds of people. I just told you about the variety, but also the variety of people from different Hispanic groups, different blacks, different other European groups. A variety of people.
And because it worked and what I was doing, it makes sense. It's based on what's really going on. The cartels have people, they need guns, right? And by the way, not only am I buying the guns, but I also like selling some drugs on the side. What else do you have for personal or for other use? So I buy doping guns. Sometimes you come across some other stuff. Hey, I have also some body armor. You're looking for the body. Yeah, I'll take some ballistic armor. It's amazing what people start telling you and what they do and what else it leads to. I am also doing this too.
Do you hear that? Yes.
Can you hold on a second? Sorry. I don't even know what that is, but here's the funny thing about it. Speaking with you is my wife's ex boyfriend was arrested for, um, he had a dispute with a guy.
over, I'm pretty sure, I think it was drugs or something and he made a bomb. Oh no. And left it for the guy. It didn't go off. Oh my gosh, that's crazy. But he ended up going to jail for it and like he's on like the no fly list. And so every time I get a package and I walk out, my first thought when I see the package is, yeah, what to please let this guy, please let this really be from Amazon.
And I keep, you know, it's so funny because sometimes I get deliveries. You're not, it's like, it's just, it's just there. And I always, I'll, I don't unwrap it. I'm, my girlfriend comes in. I'm like, you're unlock it. You're, you're opening that. It's, it's not a comp. A lot of people get into making these pipe bombs, right? And they tighten them up in there, but it's also very dangerous. If you don't know how you do it, right. They count something with the flip too early and explode. So they have damage. It's, it's very volatile.
I actually had
you know just a kid just being stupid you know thought it was cool had made a couple small ones and just playing never once thinking to himself like hey this could be it this could be your you understand what you're playing with right like this isn't a joke no this is it isn't like playing with like firecrackers and stuff like that it's even you might lose your finger something you're not careful with it but a pipe bomb that's no joke and then these guys get really nasty with it some of them put like shrapnel inside to really do some serious serious damage so um
Yeah, so that's the kind of case I wanted to do. I wanted to make sure for the jury and for the prosecutor that we had good video, right? I wanted to make sure it is clear. So watching a movie, I wanted the jury to see, okay, this is the evidence. Watch the movie. And that's the big difference you see between the federal side and state and local, right?
I like the federal system. We have a chance to really make the cases bigger and stronger, and we have good prosecutors. A lot of them are career prosecutors, and they really know how to make good cases.
So that's what I did. I wanted to make sure undercover wise I had something with informants. There's always issues with the equipment. Sometimes they could be messed up and everything else, but they're not professionals, right? They didn't go to school for this. They don't understand case law. They don't understand entrapment, right? You want to make sure people understand, you know, this is what they do. This is what they're involved in. You don't want to bring someone who's not involved in this kind of work. They're actively doing this. They're predisposed. This is what they do.
and
I got to go to the prosecutor. I got to deal with evidence. I got to talk and give a briefing. So it's a whole different world and you just show up. But the good thing about them, even though I would cut them out, remember their eyes and ears, they can still tell you, hey, I heard so-and-so has some doubts about you.
I need, I need to tighten this up a little bit. When you come back with me and let's have another conversation with them, make sure you vouch for me and make sure, Hey, this is the guy, man. There's nothing to worry about. So those are the things you keep them a distance, but you still have to make sure that they're listening. What's going on. Cause that's important because the last thing you want to do is get the cutoff garden. And I was fortunate enough. I mean, there's always some hairy close moments, right? But you know, you're going to have, and I'll give an example and I put it in my book, ATF undercover, which I talk about.
and this happens and i did a lot of work in pasco county and i had an undercover apartment in westy travel i had i still i live i know i know i did uh i used to live there with chapel then moved down south when i first started working out there a lot cheaper than tampa when i in 2000 i know what 54 is completely different than it was 20 some years ago
Well, I live off 56. You know, 54 turns into 56. But yeah, it's even further. It's a 15-minute drive to 75 from where I live. It's like living in the Truman Show, though. I mean, the houses, everything's brand new. Everything's underground. You know, all the houses look simple. I mean, it's a great area. It's funny, on my street,
there's two sheriff's deputies there's like an insurance salesman there's a couple bankers like the only i'm the riffraff on the street so was you know 56 you're not too far from from land o'lakes either then no no very very close very close yeah
Yeah, I got to know Pasco really well from making the cases. So I got to know Pasco, not how much you know Pasco County, but I got to know all the way to New Port Richey, Port Richey, the Hudson area, even across New York, Tarpon Springs, and going to Zephyr Hills. So this takes place after this story here, this happens in Zephyr Hills. Zephyr Hills, people who don't know Zephyr Hills or Dade City. At the time I was working, I'll say it was back in 2000s,
to 2012. And this story takes place on 2009-2010. So this is the city Pasco I'm talking about. And the Mexicans were picking it up, right? They're moving a lot of meth. There's more meth labs. There's still some, but now they're bringing a lot of the meth from Mexico. They're just piping it in. And that whole area became a big pipeline, which I was saying, I think a lot of still drugs and a lot of Mexicans still out there, which this is where everything's changed a lot.
And this is a trailer. I meet with this guy. He is a career criminal, a drug trafficker, where I had to make an introduction. First time me and him are sitting in the car together. I meet him at 301. And we're going to drive to these trailers, shady trailers, predominantly Hispanic, right?
And he's talking to me, he's telling me his history. He said, man, yeah, I'll get you these guns and all that, but I used to move a lot of coke, a lot of product. I was moving two or three easy kills a week. I was like, okay. So I said, you tell me, I mean, he just got out. He wants to get back into the game. This is what he does. I said, okay. So he took me there. He's a non-Spanish speaker.
and
And I talked to his guy who's there, his Hispanic bullhead, right? And we're talking a little bit in Spanish. He's testing me out, which is fine. And he goes, he goes in a trailer. So him and I are sitting outside in my truck and I see more people would get out of the car and he's on one side. I'm on the other side and I can see there are a lot more people going to the side of the trailer. A lot more people going inside. He can't see that. I can see that.
So I can see that. So you're going to have instinct to say, listen, I just met you guys. The deal we're supposed to be doing is for AK 47 with 75 round drum, two Glock pistols, almost an ounce, ounce of meth for a little over $3,000. Right. And I don't feel comfortable. He goes, Hey, listen, the stuff's inside, but these guys don't want to bring it out. So I drove out here. Normally what you do is you wrap it up. You bring in the car real quick and we're done. I get the hell out of here. Right. And he said, but he wants to come in. You go inside. I was like, and I know there's more people coming in.
He doesn't know that I know that already. So I'm almost like, uh, no, dude, I don't want to meet anybody. I said, no, it's fine. I said, no. And I said, okay, what do you give me the money? And I'll go get, I'll get it for you. I said, no, I'm not. What's going to happen is you're going to walk away with 3000. I'm going to have a bigger headache to deal with to chase you and everybody else who just stole my money, which that was going to be a rip. So I said, I'll give you five minutes. I'm going to sit in the car. Either you bring it or I'm out of here. Cause I either, and that's, that's the beauty of being the case agent and the undercover.
is that I don't feel the pressure. Let's say I was just the undercover and I'm working for somebody else working their case, right? Something you feel the pressure, you want to make it happen for me. I'm both. And if it happens, great. If not, I got a lot of work. I got other people I'm dealing with. I got you today. I got someone else tomorrow. Right. So I don't, I don't, I don't ever felt that kind of pressure. I had to make it happen because I don't, I want to go home at the end. That's, that's the most important thing. No, no deals. Five minutes later, a Honda Odyssey pulls up.
So what, I think it's testimony.
Right. So why would you go? Why? If the AK wasn't in there, they showed up later. Like, why am I going in the trailer? Like, why? What do you think they were trying to get you in the trailer for? I think they want to rip me off. Oh, OK. OK. I think they want to rip me off. I think they want to take my three thousand dollars, three thousand four dollars and hit me. He said, I mean, hey, this could be easy hit right here. And it went to sell anything. Because you don't know some of these gang members, these are gang members, by the way.
These aren't average. Oh, these, this, this is a trailer, a shitty trailer. It's up for Hills. He said, there's a lot of gangs in that area. I want you to understand a lot of Hispanic gangs, a lot of gang members say a lot of meth, a lot of heroin. I don't think for Hills and like that at all. I mean, it's, it's, it's very, you know, rule like, you know what I'm saying? It seems like it's read, read my book and, and I'll give example after example of that area going, go in there and stuff like that. It's, it is hot.
And that's when I was there. I think it's got worse, but I see because the cartels have just gotten stronger. When I was there, they were coming up, you know, Chapa was good. Sanloa is strong. But, but now you have the rise of CJNG. We'll get a list. Good new generation cartel. Yeah. Major rival for Sinaloa, right? Hell, Mancho. He's now the big player. Cervantes, right?
and they're going to war. And all these guys, El Chapo, El Mencho, give your audience a little background, all these guys came out of absolute poverty. I mean, they were selling avocados and oranges in the street and now have risen to make big drug lords where their assets are over $50 billion. That's according to the Mexican government and the U.S. government. So you tell me they're not making drug lords in Mexico? And most of these guys are illiterate. They dropped out of school when they were in the fourth or fifth grade, right? But what are they good at?
They're good at killing. Yeah. And they're not afraid to kill. Yeah, they're brutal. They're brutal. Say, El Mayo, which was Chapo's, basically started the Sinaloa, right? And then El Chapo kind of came in right after. But I was going to say, El Mayo, like, I heard that he still drives like an old, he's worth, you know, billions and billions or whatever. And he still drives an old pickup truck. That's smart. Around town. Like, you know, like he's not
You know, he lives in a, you know, different places and you're the same thing with El Chapo. He's always all, he's really, he's really good at survive. He was up until the United States got him, you know, but he was really good at surviving, you know, through brutality and just for thinking like always escape route, always be thinking, don't keep staying in the same place, change, change locations. You know, that's what El Chapo was nicknamed also El Rapido. The quick one.
He was the master of the tunnels, right? I remember that great tunnel he had the second time he was captured underneath that prison. Unbelievable. Now, you know what's funny about that? I had read that like the area that was where the prison is, it was actually the new generation that was in charge of digging, even though they're rivals of digging the tunnel. But at that time, I think at that time they were still
We don't have an equal partner in the war on drugs. The corruption in Mexico is so unbelievable. That's the reason I bring that up because during the trial for the chapel in New York,
The government witnesses testified that El Chapo offered, this is before Lopez Obrador, the president before that, with Peña Nieta, he offered him a bribe. Nieta wanted, allegedly, according to court documents, he wanted a $250 million payout, so we want to look for El Chapo. They said, you don't worry about it, you can be a fugitive for another 15 years, right? He said, no, I'll pay you $100 million. And allegedly, witnesses said, testified, he took it.
He took it. So if the top of Mexican government is on the take, then we have no chance. This is what the battles were fighting. You see case after case after general, attorney general, I mean, just keep on getting arrested for being involved in money laundering and involved in all this stuff here. And this guy, El Mencho, out of CJ&G, he was former law enforcement.
He was at Jalisco, right? He was involved. A lot of these guys know the game. They know it. And he's the same way we just talked about at Mayo when I was reading Guadalajara, because now it's the battle for Guadalajara, which is where a lot of stuff is going on. But he looks like he's won because they're trying to split. You know how everything is. Everybody wants to be king. Right. Yeah. One day you're the king. They want to take you out. Right. Almencho had guys he brought in that was former Millennium Cartel guys at Split. Right.
and they want to take over and this guy's name is um scapegoat right now but if if you look at the videos he has him tortured right wrapped up kill him and then left the park bench is this is what happens when people betray uh el mencho right and stuff like that so right now it seems like he still has the lockdown in guadalajara which is very important for him
And he's the same guy that you're talking about, Amayo, he likes to live modestly. Not like Escobar, right? That lived in that big palace, right? Everybody knew where he lived and where he was at, but he bribed everybody. These guys, that's a little key. El Chapo's bounty was five million, right? At his peak when he escaped the second time after Sean Penn and Kate Del Castillo interviewed him. If you haven't seen that interview and video, man, you guys should need to check that out. Rolling Stone Magazine. That's great.
Unbelievable stuff. He's I can't believe Sean Penn did that because You don't know that that's Yeah, that you know, listen, they don't care El Chapo didn't even know who he was like he's probably thinking well my celebrity will probably help Help me a little bit as or keep me safe a little bit. No, it won't he didn't even know what you are. No, all right
I would not have done that. That could have got really ugly. And he almost caught him after the interview because they were tracking the Mexican actress Castillo's phone. US authorities were tracking and just missed him barely. Just barely. It will take a few more years to finally catch him again and they will not escape the third time. They obviously realized like, look, we're just not going to be able to keep this guy here. We have to send him to the United States. And that's so sad because you know what? Now we have the costs, right?
Now the U.S. tax dollar has to pay for keeping this guy for life, feeding him the expenses, legal, everything we pay because it makes the government so corrupt, they couldn't do it themselves. And it's case after case like this. Very sad. I think, you know, it's funny, like I, first of all, people are always, you know, oh, the, you know, like the U.S. government's corrupt. Look, there's some corruption here and there. You have no idea.
What it's like in other countries that's true in other countries it but if it not just that it's like look You're paying your police officer in Mexico making six or seven hundred dollars a month in nothing That's nothing like like I get it. You shouldn't you know, you should you shouldn't be involved in corruption You should be but it's hard not to be not only for the money, but it's dangerous like if you end up being a cop like it's it's kind of like the the the what was it a
Shoot. I was going to say what there was a movie about it. El Cholo was his name. El Cholo was a guy who is rival. They got wrapped up and executed. Look up his name. El Cholo. Look at the video. You see the guy from CJNG behind him in masks. And next thing you know, he ends up in a park bench. See the pictures wrapped up. He was tortured and said, this is what happened to El Cholo, the traitor. You don't play. You don't play.
It's a horrible situation in general. When you were talking about the higher up, upper echelon of the government, I have a buddy named Juan Sanchez who was in Venezuela. He was a Venezuelan citizen, came to the United States, started doing real estate, doing very well. 2008 financial crisis hits. His subdivisions
the development start going under he needs money so he goes to Venezuela and he starts pitching to Venezuelans like hey you should invest and so people in the government invest basically the equivalent of the US the head you like the US Attorney General in Venezuela
ends up investing with him multiple people in the in the government investing but they're in gov there he finds out later when one gets caught the money they're investing is money they're laundering for mexico the cartels for the cartels through venezuela they give it to one one loses the money oh no and now they're threatening to kill him he actually goes back to venezuela they kidnap him for four or five days he eventually escapes gets on a plane flies back to the united states
But when he gets caught, he eventually, obviously, cooperates. He cooperates and the FBI comes in and the CIA comes in. They never said CIA, but they never showed badges, anything. My lawyer told me I think they were CIA. They come in and they say, listen, we looked at your phone.
we see phone numbers and names in here of people that we've had indicted from Venezuela that are in the government and they so they start asking you know this guy you know this guy you see I know that guy and they said we've had him indicted on a sealed indictment we can't get him but you know so they asked him what happened he tells him and he says do you want me to get him to to come to the United States and they go yeah but he's he would never do that he's not that stupid and they go and Juan goes no no he's that stupid
He goes, you don't get to become, you don't get that high in the government without being, you don't get it through brains, you get it through brutality. That's true. So he contacts him because the guy had asked him to try and get him a travel permit in the United States so he could bring his family into the United States to visit Disney World. So he contacts him, sends him an email, no, not that side, but his
His visa had been denied by the State Department. He said all you have to do is have the U.S. Embassy write him a letter saying that it was a mistake and it's been approved and he can come. They wrote him a letter. He said literally, we're talking about three days later, he's on a plane, flies into Miami and they arrest him in the airport in Miami with his family thinking they're going to Disney.
And now he's going to the slammer now. You know what happens? He rolled over on a bunch of people. He ended up getting like four years or something and got back out. Oh, did he? Massive, massive indictments. At that level, you've got to cooperate. You've got to flip. You've got to turn. And one thing I've noticed, all these guys too, because if you don't, you get the hammer. You get slammed. You get the most time.
Yeah, something about Venezuela, man. Venezuela, with Nicolas Maduro now, is a narco state. It has become a narco state. He's not a communist anymore. Remember Hugo Chavez? This guy is no communist. This guy is all about making money. But the people suffer. He keeps them suffering. This guy is a dictator. He's a narco dictator. He's been indicted by our government.
and to bring more but you know what obsessed me is a little politics here but we'll talk a little a little bit everything my books all about this but joe biden threw him a lifeline administration just see if chevron go back there and get oil pumped up because we don't want to deal with the russians right we're tired the saudis the stuff he's done a maham ben salman so it's like we want to work with the venezuelans with all the stuff this guy's done he's an atrocity to his people if you're not about him you're done
That's why Miami has been transformed with the Venezuelans coming over. The Cubans did. From the 60s on, the Venezuelans have brought a lot of money. Doral, the owner from the middle of South Florida, has changed immensely with the Venezuelans. But a lot of the money has come over, transformed it. So that's what you're seeing. People say, well, man, America, the United States has issues. I live in Virginia now.
and I was fortunate enough to, I like to travel like history in my background, you know, I taught political science and history. I went to Mount Vernon and I've gone to Monticello, where Mount Vernon is Washington's home and then Monticello Jefferson's home and I visited there and even it's true, 1797.
You know, Washington had just finished his second term, will not run for a third term, does not want to be seen like King George or a dictator. He says, even then it applies today. We had issues. You know, it is no perfect democracy. It's not perfect system, but the best is out there. And I think it applies today. The same thing. It's not perfect people. We don't have a perfect system, but it's the best. It's the best that's out there.
Trust me, I've seen, I studied politics internationally, the corruption. Yeah, we're going to have corrupt officials. We're going to have problems, but it's the best that's out there. So that's where we're at with the corruption in Mexico. But the Mexican government, it's probably worse. I think it's stronger than the Colombians were because their reach is all over Central America. It's all over South America. And they have a lot of people in the United States and they're reaching not just in customs officials,
Not just with politicians, but you see it deeper and deeper in our country because the money is so big and so out there and the corruption is big. It's corrupt here, but they're corrupting here. So what are our solutions? We need to deal with the problem with that treatment. We need people to get off it. We need people to work on their addictions because it's just going to get worse. And they want to, like Maduro said, they're weaponizing cocaine to help destroy this country.
They think it's going to fall like a rotten apple from within. People are going to fall and break. And that's what they're trying to do. So, um, it's funny. So I, I wish, why can't I remember the name of this, this book? I used to know it too. And let, trust me, somebody in the comment section will, will tell me the name of the book. It was actually came out probably 50, probably 10 years ago, maybe 15 years ago. And,
It's about, there's an evangelist, like a preacher, super rich preacher. His son gets caught. He has a security detail, right? Like he's got several of these mega churches. He has a security detail and one of the, the lead security agent or security person in charge of his security detail is a former DEA agent that had to retire because of brutality. Like he had been caught multiple times and you know, he'd been written up, he finally retires.
Well, the, the, I call him the preacher, the preacher's son ends up getting caught like smoking, I don't know, smoking, doing drugs or something. One of his friend ODs on Coke or something. I forget what it was, but he, he's upset and he ends up venting to this former DEA agent. So his security, um, you know, head of security, so his head of security, he's like, he says, how much money do I give?
you know every month every every year he's like oh like a million dollars to these programs and he goes he says is it even helping he's like no it's not gonna this gonna do nothing and he says well what can end this he said well you know it's so out of control that the government can't they just can't it's everything they do to try and keep it stemmed if you could get it pulled back a little bit then they could probably get a better handle on it and he said there's an idea we used to kick around at the DEA he said well what was that
He said if you poisoned the drug supply, then the the the hardcore, he said the casual users aren't the problem. He says casual users would just stop. He said, but the drug addicts, he said they would have to seek
Some kind of rehabs any rehab. Yeah, right. And so they end up he ends up going to somewhere and who knows where Brazil I forget where it was but someplace and he ends up he ends up finding this chemist and he ends up getting these mushrooms that allows them to poison The drug supply right like coke and he of course he he gets a bunch of Retired DEA agents, you know friends of his to help him There's a group of like six of them and he ends up poisoning a whole bunch of drugs
and what happens is the hardcore users they they inhale it and then if they do enough of it it ends up breaking down and shutting down their their livers and they die so they end up doing this on a massive scale oh my gosh and i listen it was
and of course what happens is it works but the problem is is what he tells the preacher is like you know there will be some people will get sick there may be a few deaths and he knows the reality is there's going to be thousands and there ends up being tens of thousands of deaths because they do it on such a massive scale and this is fiction this is fiction it's fiction yeah it's fiction but it's a great book i mean keep in mind how much i read when i was locked up it was this it was just
really well written, researched, you know, how much was possible, I don't know, but it was, it really, you know, and the guys got the statistics and the whole thing. And you, you really realize reading the book, like what a massive issue it is. Oh, it is. It is. And another, another way to attack it was when you're seeing here, you see in Virginia all over the country and started with marijuana. It's been, it's getting legalized all over the country.
I think marijuana, you're seeing it. I mean, I know Florida is just medical, but I know Virginia got it approved for a recreational. So it is going all over in the Northeast, the Midwest, of course, the West Coast up and down is proof of recreational. So that's where you're seeing it. It's going that way. I think marijuana,
Thomas Jefferson even grew marijuana in Monticello, right? Founding fathers. I mean, marijuana has been around for hundreds of thousands of years. People have been smoking it, right? It's not my thing. I don't like getting high. I like smoking my lungs. But if some people, that's what they want, like cigarettes smoking. I'd rather not be around it, right? I like to eat away from that. I don't like to be around any of that stuff here. But some people like it. I think the edibles now, I think are legal in every state.
Drugs were just never my thing. I definitely agree that to me, look, if you took the money they spent on
the prison population and you made going to rehabs affordable and you did more education and you legalize a lot of those substances, I think would alleviate the problem considerably. And listen, and it'd be detrimental to the cartels. Absolutely. Because then you're taxing it here. We're making the money, right? The States and the federal system. So you have to eliminate marijuana.
I know it's passed in the House of Representatives that needs to be approved in the Senate
to start making this nationwide, because I've seen it firsthand. I think we're wasting time in the judicial system, clogging judicial system, when you have these petty cases. ATF went after the worst of the worst, right?
The most violent. That's what we have to focus on. The most violent repeat offenders, armed traffickers, armed home invaders, guys who want to commit murder for hire, you know, international traffickers. That's gun traffickers. That's what we have to focus on. Now guys who have some weed, they want smoke, and they're doing this on the side. I mean, other places want to have a ZT policy? Zero tolerance? That's a waste of time. You're clogging the system. These people should be treated for health issues.
The rise of the outfit here, the Chicago crime bosses,
The same thing, in my opinion, should apply to marijuana.
The other drugs are a little bit tougher to deal with, but we have to come up with solutions. But marijuana is the first gateway, I think, with that because, I mean, everybody in college, you see how many people in college have to go sometimes to really bad areas to get some weed, right? Right. End up getting hurt, robbed. You just go to the store, right? It's illegal. We have to be smart about it. Obviously, I don't want to be around it. I don't want to smell it because I went to Kingston for do some work.
For training and everywhere in Kingston you can smell it the ganja as they say ganja man, right? It's everywhere. I really don't I didn't care for that smell That's wrong Kingston in Jamaica, right? Right Kingston, Jamaica. They have a lot they grow a lot of a lot of wheat They call it ganja over there. Oh, listen, hey, you know, there's places in Jamaica. You can't even go That's true. I mean the government doesn't go I
Yeah, like we were when I went to Jamaica. It's funny. I was I was on the run and I went away And and we were to have the taxi driver where he's like driving us around and we were like, hey, let's go here Let's go here and he was like, yeah, you can't go there and he was like listen. He's like the police don't go there Like you definitely aren't going there. We he's like we're not going there in my cab and it was like I was like, it's that bad like that What do you mean the police don't go? He's like though it's come that section that area is completely
Owned and operated by the you know, this one gang to make a policy or whatever. Yeah, right. Yeah Yeah, they just had a huge arrest of I think about five seven years ago guys name was coke like from cocaine, right? Yeah, and now and and the people at Kingston were writing Because he obviously, you know, they provide a lot of work and you know, it's like an Escobar type, right? They also give a lot to the community just like just like a chapel did Guzman. They give a lot. They help a lot They know that the little people they want to care little people
So they kind of help the little people a lot because they work for the organization and do stuff like that. That's the same mentality you saw out there in Kingston. Yeah. A lot of people just want to go at, if I tell them to go to Jamaica, I was going to maybe work there as an attache, but once I saw first after two weeks there, how the conditions were, no way I wouldn't bring my family. That's for sure. And I definitely wouldn't go with my family in Mexico because also because at the end of my career I promoted and I went to ATF headquarters.
and I worked at two years and I was helping briefing the director case with one in command for the central region who now is number two command for ATF right now. So that's a good contact that I have and working and talking and briefing some of the most sensitive cases that ATF was working. So, and then I was going to maybe traffic to Mexico, but then with the issue of Lopez Obrador was going on.
I'm eligible to retire. I did my time up here. I enjoy my career. Thank you so much. And then I got into writing. Right. I did a nice trip in writing.
Um, well, I've been, you know, writing like this, uh, by a year and a half now since I've been retired. Uh, but I used to write a lot of reports, right? You get good and really detailed in writing a lot and a lot and a lot. So I said, and I always had a thing for it. Like, I like reading. I'm always fascinated with, uh, you know, history and political science and current events. I'm always reading information. So that's what a lot of my books are. You know, I got fiction, nonfiction, but I do a lot of politics. I do about organized crime. And I realized, you know, when I started writing,
And I'm not here to promote anybody, but you know, I had a family member, she was in the publishing industry for over 20 years, right? She had, she got laid off and I was talking to her and she said, you know, it's hard at the time, you know, COVID was still around, right? And it was such a huge backlog. And I said, you know, you might want to look at Kindle with Amazon because you can self publish.
Yeah, you don't have to wait for anybody, right? And you get like 80 20, especially digital books like 75 25, right? So, you know screen on both ends it's great for my pocketbook and the screen for the environment We use the digital books, right and and I'm now doing audio too and shout out to Sean Milo for that We both know him. It's great guy That should be coming out my book if you're not nobody's a big reader and I've been told a lot of people rather listen to it Yeah, it's great
Great story. I encourage people to listen to these books and go audible. It should be out hopefully in about a month or less. It'll be out there. So I looked into it and it worked for me because I go at my pace. I do whatever such matter because you know how it is, a publisher, you get rid of the middle man who's only cares about making money. I'm always, it's not about always making money. It's about putting something out there, which I wanted to talk about, read about. Right. I was going to say also, you know,
As a writer you make like you'll make six dollars six fifty seven dollars on a on a book that you sell on on Amazon and if the publisher sells it you're making a dollar fifteen a dollar thirty five like You know and look that I got up when I was locked up. I got a book deal They were in Barnes and Nobles, you know, that's great. Like how exciting is that? That's super cool But in the end like six months ago, this is five years later. I
Six months ago, the first time I actually got a small check from them because it took that long to pay back the advance they gave me. They gave me like a $3,500 advance. And listen, in prison, $3,500 is a lot of money.
But you know, it just took that long to even pay it back. That's ridiculous. Now, you would have made a lot more money with Kindle for sure. Yeah. I like doing all I mean, and I just like I did my cases. I wore many hats. I played out with my books. I do my own book covers. I do my own editing. I write the material. I choose what I'm going to write about. I just did a book that just came out, I think I forward to you on Facebook, a messenger on the Jim Jones. Right. And in Jones down the massacre.
because it's now 45 years and I want to do a little bit deeper dive in that and I found some pretty interesting things in there and mistakes that were made and I I thought things and I also give my opinion right based on my expertise right there's a worse US cult mass murder in US history almost nine oh nine hundred fifty dead right I was gonna say almost a thousand people something like a hundred and fifty kids or two hundred kids or something how many more that more that that's horrible you could hear if you haven't heard the Jim Jones tape
Yeah. Yeah. Horrible. Horrible. My kids are crying and everything else. And the mother, his wife, Marcelina by the way her name was, she's telling him because these are his kids too. He's poisoning. He said, let the kids live. And he goes, and just like this, he goes, mother, mother, mother, mother, please. You know, he's already crazy. Mother, please. Like very sarcastic and nasty. Like says, you know, children hurry because he already killed the congressman, right?
He had his goons go out and kill the conqueror, Leo Ryan and his entourage, NBC and everybody else, watched him post. They gunned him down because they knew they had 20 defectors. He knew it was over. It was over in Guyana. And then he said, when they came back, said, hey, some escaped. He knew it was over. He knew they were going to come down, put him in jail, shut it all down. And he was so selfish.
He wrote everybody kill themselves to make that statement. He called it the suicidal revolution Which is insanity all these people's lives. It came in in for a better life lost her lives Drinking the Kool-Aid that's what it's called drinking the Kool-Aid It wasn't even Kool-Aid flavor aid flavor aid or Kool-Aid For Kool-Aid got hit with Kool-Aid drinking the Kool-Aid this whole time. I was drinking the Kool-Aid was that Kool-Aid flavor, but I was gonna say
The problem is everybody always focuses on the mass suicide. Even if you remove that though, his rise is amazing. His ability to manipulate is amazing. And the fact that he starts Jonestown and then the senator shows up and they realize
The senator, they realize what's happening. Congressman is going to go back to the United States. He's going to tell everybody. They're going to obviously send over the troops and grab these guys. It's coming down. But then he actually sends his guys to kill him. That's unbelievable. That's the great thing, what I love about nonfiction.
True. I agree.
And it, but it happened. It's, it's an amazing story. He's another guy that grew up, but I didn't know his background until I reached, this is the reason why I do stuff like this. I love researching non-fiction. I love them. I've done a lot of these. So if you like, we're talking about check out the book, please. It's, it's on Amazon. It just, just came out, but with him, he came out on absolute poverty. Yeah.
Object poverty. I mean out of Indiana right and in Indiana his father was a war one veteran who suffered serious serious Chemical attacks, you know how the war was at the trenches, right? Yeah, he couldn't breathe He couldn't work couldn't do anything guy was disabled pretty much and the pension was horrible back then and then had the Great Depression They lost her home the government the company the merged company ceased it and the family had the vitamin Shack and
and they live in a shack with no plumbing, no, and no electricity and absolute horrible situation. So that's why he, I think he needs to find something. And I think that's what he found, you know, religion and ministry is his goal because he would obviously perverse it completely. And he would end up, you know, the people's temple was ends up being a cult pretty much because you to join, you have to try all your finances to, right? All your money goes to him.
He'll take care of you. He'll fund your housing. He took advantage and I hate to say it, it took advantage of a lot of minorities and disadvantaged people, right? And the politician, because he came up with integration, right? He was one of the first guys integrating the churches with blacks and whites and everything else was unpopular in Indiana, right? He ended up going to San Francisco. Of course, very liberal out there, right? Became very popular. He would help get votes for the mayor.
In 1976, Walter Mondale and Jimmy Carter was there and he helped California go blue, right? So he can beat Ford. So that's why they were embarrassed, humiliated, right? Angry. They didn't want a full investigation on Jonestown. But this guy, Ryan, he was a Democrat, but he knew there was something wrong. And but this is where I criticize him in the book a little bit. Well, you know, this guy is so unstable, right?
He they had already information affidavits and defectors that they were already doing mock drills like this drinking the Kool-Aid They already trained them that this happens. This is what we're gonna do They have people whether called white knight drills where they have gunfire over their heads So they would just stay down and they would drink the Kool-Aid. He had all the cyanide prepared for this so you don't think that's how but I don't you look but I hear what you're saying, but I
If you were telling me that, I would be thinking, that's crazy. It's too crazy. Like, that's not going to happen. Like, that's never happened. Like, like, I mean, in the in history, it happened. But it's so unbelievable that an American citizen and that a group of American citizens Americans would have done this or that anybody would follow or anybody would follow through like, OK, he's doing it. I get it. He's out there. But that's probably not going to happen. And, you know, who's going to and who's going to kill a senator?
The staff survived by playing dead for 24 hours.
on the strip there until the army came in to rescue her. She played dead. She had five bullet wounds inside her. She just wrote a book and great interview. I haven't seen her talk about it. She gets very emotional. Now she took over his old position like 10 years ago. So now she's a commerce person from that, from that district. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Unbelievable story. But you know what? A lot of people didn't commit suicide, but what the investigation shows, they wanted to leave.
The guards, he's a communist. Those who don't know, he's a hardcore, very much Marxist-Leninist communist. He hated this country because obviously the racial issues, he called it pretty much a racist-fascist nation. And he wanted to set up this Marxist utopia.
out there in Jonestown. He was a big fan of the Soviet Union. He even had Soviet officials come in and say, this is the perfect Marxist utopia that I have set up here. And they congratulated him. They went out there and said, man, you've done here. But at the same time, these people were oppressed. He had to work 12 hour days. He fed him rice and beans while he ate like a king. And at the end, those who didn't want to commit suicide,
The gun squad, what I call them, the Red Brigade, came out with injections and injected everybody in the shoulder with cyanide. And you see them. And so a lot of people were murdered. And to me, when you're brainwashed like that, you're being murdered.
because it didn't some of the people that you would try and run off into the woods and stuff and they were shooting at him or they didn't you can't you can't you don't escape you have to die when he said it's time to die it is time to die there was no like hey this was a mat now these people were murdered i mean a lot of people say you know especially children and they have no no saying it they were forced to drink that small children they were they were killed they were a lot i think over 200 something children that were murdered and they're including his own children
And his own wife even protested and said, this has to be a different way. And then it goes, mother, mother, mother, mother, mother, mother, please. He goes like, oh, he's already in that crazy cycle world. And he tells children, we have to hurry, children. We have to hurry. We have to send a message to the world, the suicidal revolution. I mean, he was just off his, I mean, who in their right mind will see, because he wants to send a message. And he didn't take a Kool-Aid himself, cyanide. He shot himself in the head. Did you,
Well, so I've got I'm gonna butcher this guy's name the the guy who wrote fight club a Chuck Paul, uh, Paholnychek. Yeah, I know I butchered his name. Anyway, he he wrote a book called survivor And it talks about a mass suicide and he he talked about several mass suicides in the book But it's very much written in the same vein as fight club, you know, he has that real choppy
It was the worst mass murder until 9-11, with Americans.
I see that. So going back to my point, I thought the congressman made a mistake. I know he had a history of being very proactive. He's a Democrat. And remember, this guy Jones helped the Democrats win the 76 election, the national election. It went a lot because he was key getting the votes out with African Americans because he had an integrated church. He was a socialist. Remember, there's a very socialist area.
The State Department did not give them a lot of information while I was reading. According to the staff member who survived, what really was going on? Because remember, they had people already saying about all these defectors saying, hey dude, they're doing mock exercises. They're torturing people in there. If you stand up anything, they'll put you in this hot box. They'll put you underground. They put you in a well. They really torture people. You better get on the program. There's no escaping. There's no leaving. This is what they're doing to you. So I think it was a big mistake.
Him knowing what's going on there, knowing these guys are armed, he knew they were armed. I personally, just being common sense, is that I need the guy in government to help me, give me security, protection. He went unarmed. He's thinking that the media guys, oh, you know, I have NBC with me at the Washington Post, they're going to, he's not going to shoot us with the media here. Yeah, kill everybody. This guy's not following the Geneva Convention. Like, I can't shoot reporters or medics.
Don't you know I'm a congressman? Yeah. I don't think you care. Yeah. So that's the thing. You can never underestimate your opponent. Never underestimate. Be prepared. I think he would have said if he would have had the army or at least some representatives and they saw the evidence,
Arrogance So that's my criticism in the book if you read it
I blame a lot of the Carter administration at the time. Obviously, he went out there as a congressman, he could do his own investigation, different bodies of government, you have the executive and the legislator, but they should have given him some support and protection because he was set up to fail. He was set up to fail and they failed badly.
And look what we have, the consequences. So something you got to really think about this guy. And he really, there's a reason why he went, he created Jonestown because he was this close, again, picked up in the US for obviously tax evasion. He really didn't have a church. He had all this protection as a church, but it was a cult and he was stealing and he was abusing. He would, he would rape the members. He would even rape males. So he was involved in a lot of bad things. So he knew his time was coming. That's why he set up Guyana. I think originally he wanted to go in Brazil.
But it was easier for him because Guyana was a British colony, a former British colony, English speaking, and it just worked out easier for him to go to Guyana, which at the time had become a socialist nation also, very communist. So that's another issue they had to deal with. Interesting read. If you like what we talked about, I think you'll like the story of Jim Jones. If you don't know much about it, a lot of the younger generation, I've noticed, doesn't know anything about what happened in Jonestown.
Read about it. You'll be shocked and the video his video is taped the death tape. You gotta listen to that About the brink of a madman with a thousand people jumping off a cliff Yes, um Well shoot I was gonna say something too when you were talking I was thinking oh I know what it was. It was the it kind of one of the things you were talking about finances is it reminded me of
of David Koresh. He would have all the women and everybody go and get on food stamps. That's a big thing with the cult. One of the things they do is they immediately have everybody sign up. They call it Bleeding the Beast.
the the
That's typical with this communist socialist system. Look at Nicholas Maduro. You look at Fidel Castro. You look at Xi Jinping in China. You look at Kim Jong-un in North Korea. They abuse the people. They think this is better for them. No, this is the best system out here, folks. Don't get conned into that. This is the best system out there. Nothing is perfect, but it is the best system. At least you can work your way up. You want to get your education. You want to do things. You can make something in your life here.
and it happens. One thing you can never take away from me, I tell people this all the time, is your education.
They can never, no matter what happens, they can never take your education from you. They can't take your drive from you. They can't take your determination from you. That's built within you. No matter what government happens. Educate and be free. And there's a lot of brainwashing. And be a person. Ask questions. Get different sources. Don't just accept one source. And unfortunately, these people did that, right? And you see the communists do that. And he was very good at propaganda and brainwashing where you weren't allowed to get other information from other sources. It was his source of information.
All right. That's depressing. All right.
But true though, right? You really brought that you really brought that the tenor of the show down is no but But but but we're it though. We're the shining light here. So a good thing is we're living the good country Be happy you are born in communist China or Venezuela or North Korea. That is just I've never seen the videos out there man. That is depressing see that
So those are the books also all the kind of books I've written about so I have such a such a huge for almost no just did 60th Jim Jones my 60th book I just did my sixth book and a little over a year So it's pretty cool. You can find it now. I'm doing the audible books should be coming out That should be coming out within a month on ATF undercover and then I'm doing more with Sean We're just doing the one on mass shootings. We just started that one
So I'm some of the worst mass shootings in US history. And based on my background, solutions to that. I mean, that could be a show within itself. What's going on in our country with mass shootings. That's depressing for me. And how we can stop it and how what we can do. I don't know if you've seen the video or not. And I talked a lot about this. I've done shows about this. Oval Day, Texas. What happened? Robb Elementary? No. Yeah, you have to look at the video. Seventy seven minutes while the shooter's in the classroom.
killing the students and teachers while the police is outside. Oh, okay. Oh yeah. I've, I've seen bits and pieces. I've seen the whole thing. It is really all of it's out there now and what's really upsetting and you've got to watch this in the audience to look at this. One of the officers, female officers, you know, they forget they have the body cams on, right? Right. And another guy was recording her because everybody has it on.
And I guess she had fur off, but he had his on and they're outside. They are ready. Finally. It was the feds. It was the board patrol. The attack, the attack unit came in there and it wasn't the locals. The other ones went in there and there were, I think they were like 15, 20 miles away and they responded. And they're the ones that came in the classroom and they're the ones that killed him. He killed the Ramos inside there. It wasn't the locals to stay outside. Uh, she said, he said, it wasn't your daughter in there. And one of the guys was saying, no, no, my daughter was a VPK.
But if my daughter was in there, I would definitely got it. Wow. Come on. My daughter was in there, but the other people's daughters, children weren't good enough to go in there. I mean, that's what you serve and protect. This is what the call is about.
When you got that kind of situation and kids are dying, one of the girls was calling 911, saw her teacher get her head blown off, right? And the other students are dying, bleeding in there. It says, please come and help using the teacher's phone, right? To call 911. You stay outside the classroom because, oh, he's got a rifle. We have handguns. Well, they have nothing, right? Go in there and get a shotgun. You got shotguns, you got everything else.
That's the kind of things I talk about work. You need people who are teachers, teachers willing to die for the students. Some of them were showing their students at the end, taking the bullets for their kids. They want to fight. And those, just like after 9-11, we had, after the pilots, right, taking over the airplanes, they had the option to be armed, right? We're at the point where we would probably have to do the same thing with administrators, teachers, the same thing, because some police officers happened in Miami and Parkland. They stayed outside, right?
and Cruz ends up Nicholas Cruz ends up killing a lot of the students and teachers inside because he has a rifle, right? I understand it's not a fair fight. You're going to hang on. He has better range. It's faster as you go through your body hour, but these kids have nothing and the teachers have nothing and staying outside. That's, that's being a coward act after shoot training. So you got two people in, you can do, and you address the guy because that's what, that's what you're supposed to do. So I dress a lot of that books are only coming on audible. So it's already on that. And I talk a lot of scenarios,
What we've learned, what we haven't learned and the problems we have. And we may have to become more like Israel to protect ourselves if, because the response time is too long. And if a lot of these place don't want you armed, well, then you have to do something about it because this, this doesn't end. We just had another one in Michigan state, right? It just seems like every week there's a new active shooter. As we speak right now, Matt, there's someone else who got triggered. It's going to do the same thing because we have a mental health crisis in this country that's unimaginable. And on top of that,
Easy access to weapons. That's the pressing thing about 21st century America right now, and I put that in my book here. It's still a solution because the only other solution is a good guy taking on bad guys with guns, right? Letting everybody be armed. And because in Indiana a few months ago, in a food court, in a mall, a guy had armed himself in the bathroom. He started shooting, but somebody was armed to see a weapons permit and addressed him and killed him. Yeah.
You never see that. You never see that video though. Hopefully we'll see a new push. No, no, no. We gotta push other stuff. So those are things I want your audience to think about. Good conversations, serious topics we've taken on, but that's what I write about. Things are happening in solution. My back, especially with ATF, my back with guns and stuff like this. It's really things that shouldn't be politicized by the right or the left.
This is about us, right? Our family, because nobody wants their kids killed. Everybody wants to have their peace of mind. I have two daughters safe at school. That's the worst case scenario. You get that call. School got shut down. A mad man's it's in the looser and they do nothing. Pulse nightclub. I mean, it's just case after case. The police don't go in sometimes. Pulse nightclub. They spend like 12 hours while he's a member in the gay nightclub. The guy is shooting everybody in the gay nightclub. I mean, they wait for the SWAT team.
Well, the people are in the bathroom and he's lining up in the stalls and he's shooting everybody. Why aren't they going in? So it is just one after another. And I pick apart each one. So it's an interesting read what we have to learn and what we have to do. And it's about people being armed. These gun-free zones, man. Yes. The bad guys are going to victimize you because they're going to... That doesn't change a thing. No, they're going to be armed. They know that's easy pickings because I've done a lot of shows with guys
And, you know, just my own history group have a history and that's what they look for. You know, they look for the bank doesn't have the armed security guy, right? They look for the place in the mall, which is nobody armed, no policing or the theater. These are things we have to prepare for. If you outlaw guns, like, you know, outlaws, like, you know, look, let's face it, criminals are not going to abide by that. They're not going to abide by that rule. Oh, we're not only have the gun. Oh, well, then I won't. What are you talking about?
If you're willing to commit a mass shooting, you're willing to break the law, the gun laws. There's just too many guns. You'll never get rid of all the guns. No, we can't get rid of them. The United States is the biggest manufacturer of weapons in the world. Yeah. I mean, the Europeans have come here. I mean, you have Glock, which used to be made in Austria, it's made in Georgia. SIG Sauer, which is made in Germany, it's made in the Northeast. H&K, also in Germany, they've come here because we're buying it all.
I mean, I have my collection too, but you have to protect your family because if you expect Cole 911 and the police come save you from home invader in your house, they'll hold your breath. Yeah, no. You better get your concealed weapons from it. You better practice. If you haven't shot your gun and that's the first time you're going to shoot it, that's not the time to learn. You better be competent with it because you're going to be pumped. You're going to be drilling. You got some crazy coming at you. You have to be ready how to use it and defend yourself because the worst thing is you see somebody do something bad to your family and you wish you could have stopped it.
Alright.
It's awesome, man. Are you ready? Yeah, we're good. Yeah. Yeah, I just, uh, you mean do a little promo or something? Yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely. I usually say that, you know, obviously I'm going to put Colby, which is anybody who watches this knows who Colby is. Colby will put, you know, the book links. Like if you send me the book links, he'll put your book links in the description. Oh, great.
of the of the video. So people can just go to the description box, you know, they just hit the button and boom, it'll have a whole list where they can just click on it and bring you straight to your Amazon account or your Amazon book. And I just have an Amazon author page with all my books. I'll just send you the Amazon author page that I have. It's a great one. So I let my audience know also, I do also have a Amazon author page too. You can Google it. I'll go obviously go on Amazon, which is my name. I think it's there. Ignacio Esteban.
And you just see all my books 60 books from fiction to nonfiction. I also do fiction books also which are fun reads so do pictorial books and The I think you're really like if you like organized crime. I have a lot to do. This is a true crime channel I have a lot in organized crime. My personal experience is dealing with biker group. We haven't even talked about that yet So that could be another show Down the road if you want doing the one percenters doing the outlaws the Hells Angels the Mongols the
I've done books on Yakuza. I've done books on L.A. gangs. I was in L.A. for eight months between the Bloods and Crypts of Mexican Mafia. I've done books on MS-13, Manasalatrucha. So there's a lot of stuff here. If you like this stuff, obviously I've done books on the Mafia, Castro, the Mafia, and the history of the Mafia in Havana. The rise and fall of the Mafia in Havana led to the rise in Las Vegas. And I talk about the political side because of my family. They were there. They experienced it.
And you see it firsthand what's going on there. So a lot of cool things. Please look it up and have the audio stuff coming out on Audible ATF undercover and hopefully they get the other books out there through Sean. It's on Amazon, right? Everything's on Amazon. All my books are exclusively on Amazon. I have 72 books.
I've got super long ones, medium ones, and short ones. And now I'm getting into the audibles. Right. And I was gonna say, Sean, you're working with Sean to do the audibles. Sean Milo, excellent. You used them. Others have. He's been doing it for years. Nice voice, easy, soothing, nice to listen to. Can't complain about that. Enjoy that. And if you're a Kindle Unlimited subscriber, all my books are free.
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"text": " Look at Psycho Killers and we can talk about it. Don't hold back. Keep pushing the book. I think it's fascinating. I know people love it. And every time I see it, people talk about it. The views are always enormous. You know what's funny? It's like 80% of violent true crime is women. Yeah, women and then gay males."
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"text": " Really you see a lot of gay males prostitutes prostitutes suffer and men people, you know These are people who people don't care about right? Right. No. Oh, no. No, I don't mean the victims of it. I mean the people the consumers the people that watch it. Oh Really? Yeah, so so my analytics on my channel. It's 95% male right or imagine but I"
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"text": " they're like, you know, they would get them into a room or not, not trap them in a room, but like, hey, come, come in the office. They close the door and you know, they, they'd make out and they'd have sex and you know, and then the guard would bring stuff for them, bring them in this, bring them in that way. Hey, can I bring unacceptable unprofessional behavior? Absolutely. But yeah, but what I'm saying, I mean, from the, from the guard's perspective, obviously, but then the guards get charged with rape."
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"text": " like, Oh my God, like you're charging like, like, I get it. I understand it's inappropriate, but they when you hear rape, rape, you think of Bundy and these other psychopaths, right? Of course. So to me, it's like, come up with a lesser charge. Well, to be honest with you, most of these guys just got dismissed. Yeah, fire. They were dismissed. There was a huge lawsuit. The inmates got paid, but it was in there, you know, they specifically one woman got together and got several of the girls that had"
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"text": " had sex with the guards and then several other girls that my wife says she's I don't I don't think that they slept with any of the CEOs like I think they just jumped on the bandwagon but it was such a publicity issue for the BOP they just immediately came in and settled."
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"text": " because let's face it, the girls that can prove they had sex with them, there's text messages, they're bringing stuff in, they have samples of you know, blood DNA, DNA, I can prove this, I can prove that it's like, okay, well, there's no way you could have gotten that DNA and less. And then some of the some of the CEOs immediately once they're cornered, they admit it. Yes, this is what happened. Yes, I also know this person did this, this work. So they're giving each other up. Because if you lie,"
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"text": " And they prove it, then you get more charges. Now you're flying to a federal officer. Yeah. Now you got more stuff coming out your way. So anyway, what happened is they ultimately, they let these guys go and they paid out a huge, huge fine. I think that's a huge problem throughout the country and the world. Yeah. And not just men and women. I think you see also men on men too. Well, you get these, well, listen, I had, I had a, I knew a guy in there."
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"text": " Oh my God, this is horrible. Um, there was a CEO that had been moved around literally. I don't know how long he'd been with the BOP, but he'd been moved around multiple times. And, um, my buddy in there, his name, I'll give him his first name was Frank. Frank was an older guy. The CEO was an older guy, probably late fifties, early sixties. Uh, my buddy's an older guy, early sixties."
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"text": " He's walking by one day and the CEO who'd only been there, you know, a week or two says to him, tells him, come into the office, walks in the office. He goes, close the door. And he's like, like, you don't walk in and close the door. Like, what are you doing? He's like, um, okay. So he closes the door. It's a low, you know, so he's sitting there and the guy says, uh, how long you been here? He tells them they've been locked up about whatever it was, six years, seven years. Oh yeah."
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"text": " He said, you look like you work out. You work out? He goes, Yeah, yeah, I used to work out a lot. Not so much anymore. I walked to try. He said, so he so he sparks up like a conversation. And he says, out of nowhere, the CEO says to him, you know, if you have sex with another man, and you're you're locked up, it doesn't make you gay."
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"text": " And my buddy goes, yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. And he said, no, it doesn't. And he goes, Listen, man, he said, I feel uncomfortable about this conversation. I'm gonna go and he leaves when he immediately comes and he tells me and a guy named Donovan that I was friends with he comes outside. He's like, Listen to what just happened. Yeah, and he tells us weird dying laughing."
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"text": " And of course, you know, listen, most of our time was in there was spent just, just giving each other a hard time. And I said, I go, listen, Frank, you got a lot of time. I mean, you might want to think now my buddy Rusini is there, right? He does legal work."
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"text": " And I said, you might want to think about it. I said, listen, this may be an opportunity for a downward to get like a rule. There might be an opportunity for you. You've got a lot of time. You got nothing coming. And he goes, and he's like, fuck you. And then I said, and Donovan jumps in and he goes, think about it, Frankie is at least give him a reach around. So we're seeing he says it just from nowhere. We're seeing he goes, save the sample."
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"text": " like this whole weird dying laugh. And of course, Frank yells at us, calls us a bunch of jerks and walks off. But yeah, I definitely can see them trying people. Oh, my God. Yeah. And I think what I'm reading one of my experiences what the state system is even worse. This is the state prisons are a complete lower. Yes."
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"text": " It is everything. And that's where you saw the corruption. I want to say it was in Baltimore. And this is my book and it's been a while, but it was like it was run like a criminal enterprise. That the way they had everything structured with the females, with the drugs coming in, with everything, it's just unacceptable. And this is what you get when you can't get rid of people. We'll go back to our point. You have to have accountability. And the government, that action, what he did,"
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"text": " When I'm talking about a supervisor, it should be accountability. When you have people that are incompetent, unfit, making bad decisions or trying to hurt you, you have to have accountability because I'm risking my life, right? I'm meeting with these bad guys, making arrests, and then you come back and you have to deal with an asshole supervisor or a shitty prosecutor. And I think some of them are either bad or they've got their own agendas. You've got activist judges, but you've got activist prosecutors."
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"text": " And the same thing applies everywhere. So a lot of people have no idea how difficult to be a successful. But I'm a motivated person. I'm the type of guy that sees a glass half full no matter what, right? But there people get broken easy. And they're just disgruntled. They're the kind of people that just are broken, disgruntled and just"
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"text": " So I'm dealing with personal stuff, right? I'm having the cases, and you know that person has to, you know, when it's time at work, I got to focus here. When I'm here, because if not, things just don't get done. And that's one thing I give people a message. You're gonna have issues in life, you're gonna have problems, you gotta adapt and overcome and do things. That's one of the messages in the book. And I also talk about, I think, solutions."
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"text": " to some of the violent crime we have, right? I know you didn't get to the backside there, but I deal with solutions, how to deal with mass shootings, solutions, how to deal with repeat violent offenders, right? Firearms trafficking, and some of the things, some of my gun laws, I mean, I did a lot of firearms trafficking cases. You talked about that, right?"
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"text": " How much time a lot of these guys get for farms trafficking? Three years, one guy got 36 months. The bad asses, you know, repeat violent offenders get a lot of time, right? But if you have no history and you're running a lot of guns, you don't get much time, which is a problem. We need guys to get at least 10 years for massive trafficking. I had that case, I don't know if you remember, about the dirty FFL, the federal farms licensee, how I worked up, right?"
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"text": " He ends up getting two years after putting tons of guns on the streets. He violates a public trust. He said he was in Venezuela. Was there one of the guys was in somewhere Latin America or Venezuela? Puerto Rico. Yeah. Was it Puerto Rico? Yeah. 30 FedEx employee. No, this was a guy he ended up getting like 30. I remember he got 36 months. I think you said, uh, was it Escobar? His last name was Escobar. Oh, out of Ecuador. Right."
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"text": " And he said, you know, tried to say, oh, I was just selling them to friends. Yeah. Yeah. You're smuggling. You're a smuggler. You lied about it. You can't have those guns there. And you can't say they're a bunch of aficionados who are having fun on the weekends hunting because they weren't. There were a lot of handguns in there and they were covered in a house. This case started full of gang members in Guayaquil in Ecuador. So that's how we got to trace it back. And he was trafficking guns since his days in college in the 90s."
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"text": " And he got what? He got like three years. Three years. And that's significant. A lot of times you don't see that kind. You see guys who had no criminal history."
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"text": " So those are the issues I talk about where violence trafficking has to be taken more seriously. And that's something where because these guns going bad people, not just international trafficking, which that was a major international case, you have domestic trafficking and you have local trafficking and local trafficking is one of these guys getting the guns. These are bad gang members. This is how they get their guns in the black market."
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"text": " And it's very easy. We have people who are doing, and I did a lot of cases where I'm dealing with felons who sell up shop in these flea markets or these gun shows, right? Private sales, right? There's no basic cash and carry, or you go online in the internet and you meet people. Felons meeting felons at the parking lot of wherever and they're buying guns. We've got some big problems to deal with that because you can pass all the gun laws you want and put all the gun control in place, which doesn't work in my opinion."
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"text": " I was going to say, listen to this and tell me if this made sense. I mean, you know, when he said it, I never questioned it. It seems like, wow, that seems like a reach. Well, it's not a reach. I knew a guy that was a felon."
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"text": " went to did I tell you this last time he went to one of those gun shows with his girlfriend. His girlfriend buys the gun comes back. But it was he was in his they were in his vehicle. The ATF he said had gone through and gotten the tag numbers of people at the gun show and run them. They saw that I was a convicted felon."
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"text": " So he said like two weeks later or something like that, they pulled him over and he had the gun that his girlfriend had got and he ended up getting a constructive possession charge. And I think he got like three years or five years or something like that. But but but he had he had a history. No, no, he was one. He's a felon too. He had been arrested already before for drugs. Sure. So you have a history and more time. People who are like, let's say straw purchasers. Let me give this example."
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"text": " You know, people who don't know what a straw is, that's somebody who has no criminal history, that goes into an FFL, a federal firearms licensee, buys some guns, says this gun is for me, right? He's an actual purchaser, and they end up giving the guns to a felon or something, right? Those people with no history, a lot of times just get a slap on the wrist and get probation."
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"text": " Well, if you bought, if I bought a couple of guns, not me, but if, if somebody with no history bought a couple of guns for years, yeah, for me and had them for three or four years and then went and sold them, he's not breaking the law. The problem is when they go in and they buy the gun, knowing they're going to sell it to this guy, like I'm buying it for 500 bucks and I'm going to sell it for 1500 to this guy over here. It can't do that. Right. But if you're selling your own gun, no,"
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"text": " Yeah, if you're, like I said, collectors collect, right? Traffickers sell, right? I'm a collector. I keep my guns because I need my firearms. I want my weapons, right? And if you want to sell firearms, get your license. Do it the right way. You have to get background checks and a lot of stuff. Like, listen, I've been retired from ATF for close to two years now, right?"
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"text": " I've done the gamut with ATF investigations from undercover case agents. I've done all kinds of cases and they went to headquarters. I promoted and spent two years in headquarters and I saw behind the scenes how things worked. I became very good friends with the number one command in the central region."
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"text": " and because we work together on the most sensitive projects, sensitive cases. That's because of what happened to Fast and Furious. Operation Fast and Furious, it had monitored more of these cases. So this wouldn't happen again. So guns wouldn't walk the technique walking to Mexico and the cartels. This stuff, things like that. So something's risky, sensitive. Hey, we've got to put an end to this and see what's going on here because we don't want a public safety issue and stuff like that. So I saw a lot firsthand what was behind the scenes, but I'm not happy with the Biden administration. This has changed."
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"text": " And in my opinion, this is my opinion, I'm going to say this, has kind of weaponized ATF with the bump stocks and with the pistol brace, right? They were legal for years."
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"text": " I know guys who bought them. They said there were no issues to attach it. Obviously, if people don't know what a pistol brace is, you put it in a handgun and you're not supposed to shoot it from the shoulder. It's supposed to help you shoot better. It's supposed to help you brace better. You're not supposed to put it on your shoulder because then it becomes an SBR. But people violate it and I guess the Biden administration thought like the bump stock."
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"text": " You know, it's supposed to make you shoot faster, but it's almost automatic. Makes you pull faster, right? But Steve Paddock used it in the worst mass shooting US history in Las Vegas, right? The sniper there on the strip during the concert. And he set up like two suites, a rich guy who went crazy, but he used it. And all of a sudden he said, Oh, we got a band. No, it's what's between the ears, right? It's just an object."
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"text": " Why are you punishing everybody else? So it becomes illegal. Now this is illegal, right? Now with a pistol brace, if you still have it, now you are in violation. Are you going to start arresting people because now they have an NFA because it's supposed to be a short barrel rifle or a short barrel shotgun. If you put on your shotgun now, even though it was legal for years to do that. So now you spent $300. You're supposed to dispose of it. You're supposed to use it. Throw away the $300. Throw away 300 bucks now because or try to get it registered. Good luck to you because a lot of these chiefs are not approving it."
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"text": " Because you got to get approved by the local authority in your area. Well, good luck with that. So and on top of that, now, sometimes it's a waiver, sometimes say they don't, it may pay another $200 to get registered. SOT, Special Occupational Tax. Come on, man. I'm a retired ATF agent. I don't think that's right. And I think that was Biden's administration using ATF to do that. And that's my opinion. Obviously, the director now, Steve Dilbach, doesn't believe that. But he's an attorney. He was never an agent."
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"text": " Well, I definitely don't think it's right that you're telling me that one, I'm so I paid for something that when I bought it, it was legal. It was $300. And now you're saying I'm, I'm going to get in trouble. Yeah, just throw it away. Well, I'm throwing away $300. No, you mean, now if you have a buyback program, you're going to give me my 300 bucks back. They don't. Yeah, that's, that's, and that's just either you trash it."
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"text": " You make it inoperable or you have to go to the ATF office and turn it over. This is my point. Are we now going to make these people felons? Is that right now because they have an unregistered shotgun or rifle? I don't think so. This is my opinion. As a retired agent, I can say this now. If I was still an agent, I probably wouldn't be able to say this."
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"text": " All he had to do was comply. Show the identification. Show the identification, comply. Let him put some handcuffs on you. That's happened to me. Huh? That's happened to me. Oh, let me hear what happened. In Brooksville. And the same thing, but the FFL, they didn't like the interview. So I'm always playing close. We don't have a unit. I'm always playing close. The FFL what? FFL didn't like the interview."
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"text": " What does that mean, FFL? Federal Farms Licensee. Oh, okay. The gun shop owner. All right. Yeah. So, and we do a lot with them. And a lot of times we're playing, and some of them really are nasty. You know, just like the one guy we talked about, got two years, how dirty was some of them. Some of them are, there's a lot of good ones and there's some, some bad ones in there. And, uh, I show him identification. He's a liar. He says that some guy claimed to be an ATF agent in Cole's insurance office, just interviewed me. He's outside of the parking lot. So they come up."
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"text": " and they say, hey, I need to see your identification, the whole thing. I heard you came in here and I said, no, I did show it. It's in my back pocket. It was, let me keep your hands up. I said, okay, my hands are right here. And it says, where is your identification? So one of the officers reached behind and pulls it out of my back pocket. Now I don't want to be an ass and be stupid, so I'm going to comply. So they looked at it, they verified it and explained the whole situation. I saw his situation. He said, okay, keep your hands up. Let me see your, we'll see. So"
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"text": " Yeah, it's you feel like you're being disrespected, the ladies try and play a system. But at the same time, you're going to be outgunned here. You're going to be outplayed here because they're more than and you're going to get tased and put down and like he got he got handcuffed thrown in the back of the mark unit. I mean, my head he bumped his head on the whole nine yards. You know, here's what bothers me is that like to me the cops showing up saying let you know, hey, you know, get out of the car. Let me see your your"
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"text": " I don't think feel like that's being disrespected. I mean, to me, it's like, like, to me, I don't know why they're here. They don't really know what's going on. They're asking to see my ID. I did. Absolutely. That's what I can play. Yeah, exactly. The problem was that guy. He immediately you can just tell he's a dickhead. You know, hey, don't I'm a federal agent. Hey, look, I'm sure you're a real badass, bro. But for right now, put your fucking hands up. Yeah, let me see your you know, I'm saying like you do what I tell you to do right now. You don't know what the situation is."
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"text": " So mouthing off what happens, he ends up escalating his head. Suddenly he starts talking about a heart condition and everything. It's like, I can't, I can't breathe. Remember I can't breathe. Yeah. Stop it, bro. Like nobody, like nobody cares about some guy who works at Walmart who's getting arrested if he's got a heart condition or he can't breathe or, you know, no, no, we're coughing. You're putting in the back of the car. You had a chance. I always loved the people that the TikToks where the guys"
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"text": " don't want to show their driver's license or something. Oh, I don't need a driver's license to drive. That's not gonna go good. Like, I don't know which one of your idiot friends told you that was a thing. But it's not. No, anytime they start disrespecting law enforcement and escalate. It's you're gonna lose. Yeah. Have you ever seen on the videos on the airplanes, when people start getting confrontational with the stewardess, and they get out of control, and then they start yelling at the pilot,"
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"text": " That's not going to go good for you. No, this is not going to end well. No, no. I mean, there's so many Karens and Kevins out there. Have you ever seen all those Karen videos? Yeah, I love those. A lot of cops show up and they're just like, what are you doing? Yeah, he can do that. Or, you know, oh, he's videoing. He's videoing in the street. He's allowed to video in the street. Yeah. Are they going these crazy rants for whatever reason?"
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"text": " and they think they're entitled and they can do and yell and do all these things. If you haven't seen those videos, folks, take a look at them. Typing, watching a Karen out of control. They're nuts. They're absolutely nuts. And you can see a lot of them on the airplanes too. That's because they would turn the plane around, which I've seen the videos, they're going to land and it gets just waiting for you. The locals are. Yeah. And it's going to get ugly. And you see the videos, it gets ugly."
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"text": " Listen, I saw one the other day where the woman was escorted off the plane, but, but, you know, the pilot basically came out and said, look, you gotta go. But people were videoing and she gets upset. They didn't call the police. She just walks off the plane yelling and cussing and screaming. And as she walks off, she screams, I hope you guys crash, burn and die. And then, and right then the pilot went, Oh hell no. And he went after her. I have no doubt that she got up. She got arrested, you know, or the police came and questioned her."
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"text": " Don't get cute. Don't start talking about bombs and terrorists and blowing up and dying. Angry. They get out of control. I don't know how people don't know how to be measured, but a lot of it, I go back to mental health issues because a lot of people are off their meds and you see it over and over again to get on these planes and they don't handle orders. They don't handle your rules. You go to a plane, there's lots of rules."
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"text": " And you think you can't tell me what to do and you touched me and I'm going to let you have it. You can't touch me. You can't touch me. I'm a law enforcement officer. I'm putting handcuffs on you. I'm going to touch you. You're done. You're done. And the stewardess can't even take control of you if you're a danger to the plane. They wrap people. Have you seen the picture? They get wrapped up and everything. They wrap them up. I mean, okay. I have a question. Have you ever met any sovereign citizens?"
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"text": " They're always some guy staying in somebody's spare room who could barely pay their bills, who are, you know, they think they've got it all figured out. And yet you were the most, you're this close to being on the street. Yeah. You know, and they never, you never meet some guy living in a $2 million house as a sovereign citizen like that. And if he does, it's because he's committing tax fraud and he's about to go to prison, be indicted and go to prison."
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"text": " Yeah, well, that's pretty much what's been out of control after Waco with Timothy McVeigh, right? Maybe he was the ultimate sovereign citizen. And I wrote a book about McVeigh and the face of domestic US domestic terror. And it says there one step away being McVeigh, some of these sovereign citizens, right? Because they're anarchists."
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"text": " Yeah, that's like, and I wrote a book about McVeigh and what's been out of Waco. I mean, you think about, you know, we talked a little bit about Jim Jones last time, right? Right. We talked about the cult. And the Branch Davidians are a smaller version of the People's Temple, right? Instead of 900-something dying, it was 70-something dying in there and the firing ending there. But in the events there, I will talk about a little bit of McVeigh, people who don't know what Timothy McVeigh is. McVeigh"
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"text": " was he was a decorated U.S. war veteran in the Persian Gulf War. If he would have been killed in the Persian Gulf War to liberate Kuwait from Saddam Hussein, he would have been a hero, a patriot, right? But five years later, from 1990, he becomes the worst domestic terrorist in U.S. history. And it's fascinating to see his transformation. I mean, from, he had issues, I do a lot of research and I read all the stories and everything else."
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"text": " He was kind of growing up becoming a loner. He was kind of an introvert, right? His grandfather taught him a lot about firearms. So he became a big firearms enthusiast. He became really into firearms. Great. That's why he joined the army. He became decorated and all that. But he also got involved with some anti-government white nationals. And his co-conspirators that he uses there, Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier, were also from the army."
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"text": " All these guys who commit this act were army veterans who come in and get together and commit this act against other Americans in the name of a tyrannical regime. Didn't they catch him? Didn't he also have a copy of the Turner diaries? He was also pumping that crap. He gets brainwashed with that garbage because he starts, before he does all this stuff, before Waco, he does a tour on the gun show. I met a lot of people in the gun show circuit. They're good people. There's some bad ones."
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"text": " And he said the farther west he went, because he said the crazier or the more extremist they were, the more anti-government they were. And those who don't know what the Turner Diaries are, it's about this anti-government group, white nationalist group, that use a truck bomb to hit FBI headquarters and take it out. Well, he copies it. Instead of FBI headquarters, he goes after ATF. He goes after ATF and other federal agencies in Oklahoma, but he parks it. And I'll get there. He parks in front of daycare, right?"
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"text": " And he later calls it collateral damages revolution. He killed me with a little babies and all that. I don't want to get 20 or 30 of them, something like that. Horrible stuff, man. The federal agency, the office was, was empty that day. ATF. Yeah. ATF agents come in later because we work later all hours, right? We're not nine to five guys. We're guys that work late. So, but he killed a lot of agents. So I think it's in my book, the numbers I put in there, I think IRS and DEA and other ones."
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"text": " But at the end, he had fought, it was Oklahoma State Prooper that pulled him over with no tag at the end. Like what an idiot, like, like, like all of the things that he did and put together, like, I mean, remove, you know, remove the morality of the entire situation. The fact is the, the planning was, it was well planned and then you have no escape strategy. Like you have no, like it just completely, like, listen to me, it's like robbing a bank."
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"text": " Yeah, they stole a lot to make this happen. I mean, it's unbelievable the stuff he had to pull off to get this done. It took him like a year and a half to get it going. Did you see the interview on him where he said he talks about where they said what was the first thing you thought of when you looked over and he said, I was disappointed because I really thought I was going to bring the whole building down. Okay, so this first thought was"
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"text": " but the jury was deadlocked on the death penalty. How did he get caught? I guess with all the evidence they had and putting the case together. Didn't he rent the van? He was part, I know he was part with the rental. He's part of the conspiracy with explosives and he had all this stuff also at different storages and locations. And so they put the case together with him. So he went down,"
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"text": " That's the reason why it inspired me to write all this stuff and get involved. We had four agents that were killed. Like I said, with Jim Jones, with Koresh, they cooperated. We talked about the agent. Why didn't he cooperate? If you cooperate with the investigation, you get your time in court. Your time in court is not to open up on the agents when they come in with a search warrant. People don't know this. They were tipped off about agents coming in because a local reporter"
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"text": " Those events let it trigger. And then if Koresh really wanted to let those kids out, he showed the kids out. Because the listing device the FBI had over there, and when they're coming after 51 days, they had enough of this, they wanted to get the kids out, they heard them saying, hey, they're coming, let's set the fire on. It wasn't the FBI, the feds that set the fire. He did. He started the fire. And that's out there also. So those events that said the government did this, why not cooperate? You're the ones that triggered all these problems."
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"text": " You know what I'm saying? We have a legal search warrant. You're illegally having firearms here. He also was having sex with minors. He was doing other things, right? You know, he had some weird rules there where, you know, if you came as a couple, he was the only one that could have sex with your wife. You know, he did unbelievable stuff, right? All these cult leaders, once they get a little bit of power, you know, they all get weird and almost immediately they get power, you know, power"
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"text": " Well, you know, absolute power corrupts, you know, absolutely. And then even if these guys initially maybe they had aspirations of coming up with some kind of a church or something, maybe they had, you know, good aspirations, very quickly, it tends to go right. The moment they get absolute power, they immediately get nuts."
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"text": " I think we talked a little about Jim Jones before People's Temple, but if Jim Jones in the 50s, let's say 60s, before he got really out of control, because he was a civil rights leader in some sense, integrating the churches, integrating a lot of different things. He was the first, him and his wife were the first couple to adopt a black child in Indiana. I mean, they did a lot of things. He would die in a car accident. He'd probably been a civil rights hero, right? And say he becomes a monster in 1978 for what happens in Jonestown."
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"text": " So people snap, people change. David Koresh was a good guy, I think, at the beginning, and then he changed. And I think he became this monster. Like you see these guys, he should have let those children go. There's no need to set the fires. There's no need to have done all that. But at the end, this is what goes on because his ego is, and none of these guys, they believe the followers are their property, right? And we're all going down with it. This is my world. It's all mine. So mother, mother, please remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mother, mother, please. Listening to that."
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"text": " listening to that tape of Jim Jones when everybody's being poisoned, sickening, it is bone chilling. This is insanity. You can hear the people crying. I don't know if I told you what I felt. I saw my book about how I felt about Leo Ryan, the congressman, going out there. How do you go out there not being armed?"
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"text": " that Jones is insane, as insane as he clearly was. You probably didn't think there was that much risk. What I was reading is that he saw the affidavits. He read the reports on a local paper out there in San Francisco. He knew these guys were doing these horrible things in these medical units, right? People who wanted to leave and cause problems, they were taking special treatment in the medical camp, the medical unit, and they're injected with a coma-inducing medication and forced to become sex slaves, right? Your problem,"
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"text": " Jones down? Yeah, Jones down. Yeah. Oh, I didn't I didn't realize that. I don't I haven't heard this. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's in the reports is all in there. He knew that because he had the lobby. Some people were able to escape and they gave sworn affidavits, right? I read the affidavits. They gave sworn affidavits. What happened? He knows all this because he's even trying to figure out"
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"text": " He even tried to get Dan Quayle, who was a representative to come with him, from Indiana, because Quayle's from Indiana. Listen to this, he tried to get Quayle to go with him and others. Not that bullet. Yeah, he didn't, nobody wanted to go. No one wanted to go because they thought this guy was dangerous and crazy. So this is another issue. A lot of people already told him, this is dangerous. Be careful going down there. And he thought he was safe because he took NBC News with him, the Washington Post. Hey, I'm taking, these were some of the biggest names in NBC at the time."
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"text": " Remember that these are big names in NBC who going out there like the Brian Williams of their time, right? And he's going down there dude. He cleans house and everybody No, no one gets out of that that thing alive So the cameraman's last action saw the video was filming them shooting his goon squad shooting at them at the plane That's his last thing he does out there, but he knew how how dangerous so in this medical tent medical unit"
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"text": " He would put coma-inducing medication in slave people, put it in hot boxes if you were a problem, make you so big. You're Guyana. You're in the jungle. You're in South Africa. He would find boa constrictors, tie you up, and wrap it around your neck when I was reading to squeeze the life out of you. I mean, he was doing some really bad things to these people. He was an ultra-communist. He had become a Marxist, Leninist, hardcore. He even went to visit Fidel Castro in Cuba, in Havana,"
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"text": " I talk about because he is a myer of Castro. He was a myer of Stalin. He was a myer of Lenin He even has Soviet officials come because he was creating a Soviet Marxist Leninist utopia It's what he created there and he was ready. Everybody gets a little bowl of rice like Mao Tse Tung Here's your bowl of rice, but they ate well his command staff ate. Well, they had meats They had everything else but the people had to put 12-hour days in"
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"text": " they were being and they felt they were being held against their will. Maybe they got in the letter like that. I didn't know that there was there was some escaped and wrote affidavits that he was aware he knew they had weapons. He knew that they were doing mock drills to prepare for this mass suicide because he had a preparing mock drills. He would have white night drills where he said the government's coming and he would have the guy shoot above their heads."
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"text": " For the followers and the crowd on the floor to keep fear instilling them. He knew what he was getting himself into I think that was that you get a madman like that to approach him like that and then all of a sudden everybody wants to leave He's gonna have that remember those that I want to leave those are getting people notes. You want to get out of here? Yeah, that just and in the video the one guy try to stab him Remember that one one guy tries to stab him and then the reporter says we got to get out of here This is get out of control and all of a sudden that's when they follow them to the tarmac there and the planes and they kill him"
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"text": " And if you haven't read the book, if you haven't seen their interview, Jackie Spear does a great interview. She survived. She was an assistant. She plays dead for 24 hours, taking five rounds in and lays in a tarmac for 24 hours playing dead until the army of Guyana comes in and she's saved. They thought they had killed her and she plays dead. You ever seen Jackie Spear's interview? Listen to that and what she says. She later become the congresswoman in his district years later. Good stuff."
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"text": " All right. That's good. Yeah, I did not. Hey, with me, you get true crime, you get an all dimensions with me and I can talk all the way getting monetized. So I will let you know if it does. And we don't even do politics. We just did true crime. Now I can have more fun with politics too, if you want it. That's another time. Um, yeah."
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"text": " So and you can see my poster behind me here ATF undercover you liked it thumbs up Yeah, that's the book. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not done yet. But yeah, it was good. Good. It was I appreciate that Yeah, definitely I'm trying to think we'll we'll put the description we'll put the the link Is that the only one that's on audible? I'm working with Sean, man. He's a busy guy. So you get the other one audible. I'm trying to pull a lot of my audible"
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"text": " Yeah, it's a lot of work. It's for him, especially I did the writing already, but I'm always cranking more out. I would like to put psycho killers out there on all because I think people really it's scary. And I think people need to know how dangerous serial killers are everywhere. I think people don't understand how prolific they are. I heard the other day that the average person comes in or crosses the path of something like was it like three to six, three or it was like three or six"
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"text": " Um, psychopaths a day that they actually come into contact with and don't even know it. Don't even know it. I don't know if that number is correct. I don't know how you figure that number out, but I don't know. But there are many of those are Jekyll and Hyde. That's for sure. They can have a normal life and a night they transform themselves into the social path psychopath, which they have no consideration for life. They don't care. They don't care about life existence. And what's sad is a lot of them prey on young children. And that's heartbreaking. That really is because they never had a life."
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"text": " And they die horrible ways, which is, and that's why people have to be stranger danger, be aware of your environment and don't trust anybody you don't really know. I mean, Bundy was really good at this. Remember, I don't know if you saw the documentary on Bundy. Yeah, he was super charming. No, everybody said he was charming. How about he has, he has the crutches, right? He always has the books and he has the young ladies. Hey, can you please help me to the car? And second, they help him in the car, get stumped in the head. And he knew how to kill people quietly."
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"text": " And all these guys learn that quickly. It's not about shooting someone, making noise or stabbing where this could be yelling, screaming. You thump them in the head and then they break their neck or they do whatever. And that's it. Quiet like a little like a chicken, right? Quietly done. And then he does bad things later. And those are more things that they would do. If you're interested in that, look into it. You see my book, but I can really describe more of the stuff that he does afterwards, which is unbelievable."
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"text": " I'm not going to read that, but I hear you. But if you like that kind of stuff, read it. How did you become an ATF? You were always interested in that sort of thing. Where were you born? I was born in Los Angeles in California."
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"text": " but raised in South Florida, in Miami. I've always had some interest in law enforcement, obviously. You grew up in the same times. I was born in the 70s, and I grew up when I was younger, in the 80s, with Miami Vice. I'm in South Florida. How cool is it? You're seeing Don Johnson. You're watching the cool cars, the Ferraris. You're thinking, man, that is pretty cool. That always was obviously in the back of your head, and you're looking at that, but never thought"
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"text": " I would ever do that kind of work, really. I thought it was cool, and I liked the guns, I liked the training, I liked putting down these bad guys, and the cocaine cowboys were huge back in the 80s. Well, years later, I go to college, I went actually up not far from where you're at, up to St. Louis University, it's a Catholic university, and I got my degree in political science and history."
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"text": " then I come back to FIU in Miami. So now we're looking about the mid nineties and, uh, I get, I'm working my degree international relations and I was doing a law school. I accepted to a law school in Lansing, Michigan, Thomas Cooley and you know, the farthest thing in my head, but, and I'm seeing the prices, how expensive law school is, and this is mid nineties, a lot more now obviously, but even in the mid nineties and I didn't have a, I had a scholarship in college. I played tennis a number one for my school."
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"text": " And I'm thinking, wow, and I notice internet just started, right? This is 1995. Windows came out and I didn't use it in college, but I said, man, this is the future, right? So I got myself a computer and I taught myself because this is people that say, what are you doing? What's, what's emailing? What do you do? I got myself a Yahoo account."
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"text": " pretty quickly with customs. So that was something where I was going to law school and I said, this is better because now I'm making quite a good money. I'm going to have a good pension, right? I'm in law enforcement and I really enjoy it. It is satisfying what the kind of work I started doing. So you start there at the airport, you get your cut your teeth into like password processing, and then I make one of their elite teams with customs called a contraband enforcement team. And at the time, the nineties,"
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"text": " You know, and I've written about that to my experiences. So I get in there and so, you know, I'm now in the middle of the drug war. You know, I'm the front line with customs. So what do you do? I mean, what is that? What does that detail consist of? Yeah. So Miami has a ton of cargo that comes in through Latin America, right? And also passengers, a lot of it coming in and my job and the border, you know, border authority is everything that comes international is subject to search."
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"text": " Right. I don't need probable cause like I would later when I became an agent, which is a completely different game. So it was a lot easier to make seizures and make arrests because when you come in, you have your questions, people can be searched and you figure out what's going on right there. And with cargo side,"
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"text": " And that stuff was never going to go where it's supposed to go. It gets ripped off, right? It has the, uh, the bill lading, right? Where it's supposed to go. But those stuff never go. When you got that kind of fish, when you look inside this major grouper, you get a kilo coke next to a block of ice. That stuff was going to get taken out. And, and, and that was not uncommon to see 600, 800 pounds coming in and get ripped up. And that's what we got. So what does that tell you? The stuff that got in? Yeah. What's not getting caught a lot."
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"text": " I'm caught in that fascinating view frontline, right? I'm meeting a lot of people because we make a lot of seizures. So I'm networking with the FBI. I'm networking with ATF, especially DEA, customs at a time where Department of Treasury and after 9-11, everything changes, right? Yeah, everybody changes. ATF will end up going to justice. Customs will go to Department of Homeland Security. It would leave Treasury. So a lot of things change. We're making a lot of good seizures."
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"text": " And I got really good at it. I mean, you could easily have two or three pounds of cocaine in you or heroin. Heroin really start picking up in the 90s with the Colombians, right? And that's a lot of money, a lot of dope in there. But the problem with that is something if it leaks, you're going to get in a plane. It's so pure, you're not going to survive. So we get calls a lot of people are dead on arrival. They're on the plane. We got to clean them up. It's that easy to pass either."
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"text": " For the Don Johnson point of view, it's much sexier. He's got the Ferrari. You got the Ferrari, which is cool. He folds up, remember he would fold up the suit? Do you remember the jacket? Oh yeah! Yeah, the cool colors, right? Yeah. So far your version of it sucks. Your version is work."
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"text": " right that yeah yeah a lot of work that's uh that's true is that glamorous but you you're satisfied at least you're stopping up and going somebody else that's gonna maybe hurt their life that that part there so you see a lot of that Miami it's just a ton of that you'll put it in the stems of flowers"
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"text": " And because it worked and what I was doing, it makes sense. It's based on what's really going on. The cartels have people, they need guns, right? And by the way, not only am I buying the guns, but I also like selling some drugs on the side. What else do you have for personal or for other use? So I buy doping guns. Sometimes you come across some other stuff. Hey, I have also some body armor. You're looking for the body. Yeah, I'll take some ballistic armor. It's amazing what people start telling you and what they do and what else it leads to. I am also doing this too."
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"text": " Can you hold on a second? Sorry. I don't even know what that is, but here's the funny thing about it. Speaking with you is my wife's ex boyfriend was arrested for, um, he had a dispute with a guy."
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"text": " Yeah, so that's the kind of case I wanted to do. I wanted to make sure for the jury and for the prosecutor that we had good video, right? I wanted to make sure it is clear. So watching a movie, I wanted the jury to see, okay, this is the evidence. Watch the movie. And that's the big difference you see between the federal side and state and local, right?"
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"text": " I like the federal system. We have a chance to really make the cases bigger and stronger, and we have good prosecutors. A lot of them are career prosecutors, and they really know how to make good cases."
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"text": " So that's what I did. I wanted to make sure undercover wise I had something with informants. There's always issues with the equipment. Sometimes they could be messed up and everything else, but they're not professionals, right? They didn't go to school for this. They don't understand case law. They don't understand entrapment, right? You want to make sure people understand, you know, this is what they do. This is what they're involved in. You don't want to bring someone who's not involved in this kind of work. They're actively doing this. They're predisposed. This is what they do."
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"text": " I got to go to the prosecutor. I got to deal with evidence. I got to talk and give a briefing. So it's a whole different world and you just show up. But the good thing about them, even though I would cut them out, remember their eyes and ears, they can still tell you, hey, I heard so-and-so has some doubts about you."
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"text": " I need, I need to tighten this up a little bit. When you come back with me and let's have another conversation with them, make sure you vouch for me and make sure, Hey, this is the guy, man. There's nothing to worry about. So those are the things you keep them a distance, but you still have to make sure that they're listening. What's going on. Cause that's important because the last thing you want to do is get the cutoff garden. And I was fortunate enough. I mean, there's always some hairy close moments, right? But you know, you're going to have, and I'll give an example and I put it in my book, ATF undercover, which I talk about."
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"text": " and this happens and i did a lot of work in pasco county and i had an undercover apartment in westy travel i had i still i live i know i know i did uh i used to live there with chapel then moved down south when i first started working out there a lot cheaper than tampa when i in 2000 i know what 54 is completely different than it was 20 some years ago"
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"text": " Well, I live off 56. You know, 54 turns into 56. But yeah, it's even further. It's a 15-minute drive to 75 from where I live. It's like living in the Truman Show, though. I mean, the houses, everything's brand new. Everything's underground. You know, all the houses look simple. I mean, it's a great area. It's funny, on my street,"
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"text": " there's two sheriff's deputies there's like an insurance salesman there's a couple bankers like the only i'm the riffraff on the street so was you know 56 you're not too far from from land o'lakes either then no no very very close very close yeah"
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"text": " Yeah, I got to know Pasco really well from making the cases. So I got to know Pasco, not how much you know Pasco County, but I got to know all the way to New Port Richey, Port Richey, the Hudson area, even across New York, Tarpon Springs, and going to Zephyr Hills. So this takes place after this story here, this happens in Zephyr Hills. Zephyr Hills, people who don't know Zephyr Hills or Dade City. At the time I was working, I'll say it was back in 2000s,"
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"text": " to 2012. And this story takes place on 2009-2010. So this is the city Pasco I'm talking about. And the Mexicans were picking it up, right? They're moving a lot of meth. There's more meth labs. There's still some, but now they're bringing a lot of the meth from Mexico. They're just piping it in. And that whole area became a big pipeline, which I was saying, I think a lot of still drugs and a lot of Mexicans still out there, which this is where everything's changed a lot."
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"text": " And this is a trailer. I meet with this guy. He is a career criminal, a drug trafficker, where I had to make an introduction. First time me and him are sitting in the car together. I meet him at 301. And we're going to drive to these trailers, shady trailers, predominantly Hispanic, right?"
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"text": " And he's talking to me, he's telling me his history. He said, man, yeah, I'll get you these guns and all that, but I used to move a lot of coke, a lot of product. I was moving two or three easy kills a week. I was like, okay. So I said, you tell me, I mean, he just got out. He wants to get back into the game. This is what he does. I said, okay. So he took me there. He's a non-Spanish speaker."
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"text": " And I talked to his guy who's there, his Hispanic bullhead, right? And we're talking a little bit in Spanish. He's testing me out, which is fine. And he goes, he goes in a trailer. So him and I are sitting outside in my truck and I see more people would get out of the car and he's on one side. I'm on the other side and I can see there are a lot more people going to the side of the trailer. A lot more people going inside. He can't see that. I can see that."
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"text": " So I can see that. So you're going to have instinct to say, listen, I just met you guys. The deal we're supposed to be doing is for AK 47 with 75 round drum, two Glock pistols, almost an ounce, ounce of meth for a little over $3,000. Right. And I don't feel comfortable. He goes, Hey, listen, the stuff's inside, but these guys don't want to bring it out. So I drove out here. Normally what you do is you wrap it up. You bring in the car real quick and we're done. I get the hell out of here. Right. And he said, but he wants to come in. You go inside. I was like, and I know there's more people coming in."
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"text": " He doesn't know that I know that already. So I'm almost like, uh, no, dude, I don't want to meet anybody. I said, no, it's fine. I said, no. And I said, okay, what do you give me the money? And I'll go get, I'll get it for you. I said, no, I'm not. What's going to happen is you're going to walk away with 3000. I'm going to have a bigger headache to deal with to chase you and everybody else who just stole my money, which that was going to be a rip. So I said, I'll give you five minutes. I'm going to sit in the car. Either you bring it or I'm out of here. Cause I either, and that's, that's the beauty of being the case agent and the undercover."
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"text": " is that I don't feel the pressure. Let's say I was just the undercover and I'm working for somebody else working their case, right? Something you feel the pressure, you want to make it happen for me. I'm both. And if it happens, great. If not, I got a lot of work. I got other people I'm dealing with. I got you today. I got someone else tomorrow. Right. So I don't, I don't, I don't ever felt that kind of pressure. I had to make it happen because I don't, I want to go home at the end. That's, that's the most important thing. No, no deals. Five minutes later, a Honda Odyssey pulls up."
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"text": " Right. So why would you go? Why? If the AK wasn't in there, they showed up later. Like, why am I going in the trailer? Like, why? What do you think they were trying to get you in the trailer for? I think they want to rip me off. Oh, OK. OK. I think they want to rip me off. I think they want to take my three thousand dollars, three thousand four dollars and hit me. He said, I mean, hey, this could be easy hit right here. And it went to sell anything. Because you don't know some of these gang members, these are gang members, by the way."
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"text": " These aren't average. Oh, these, this, this is a trailer, a shitty trailer. It's up for Hills. He said, there's a lot of gangs in that area. I want you to understand a lot of Hispanic gangs, a lot of gang members say a lot of meth, a lot of heroin. I don't think for Hills and like that at all. I mean, it's, it's, it's very, you know, rule like, you know what I'm saying? It seems like it's read, read my book and, and I'll give example after example of that area going, go in there and stuff like that. It's, it is hot."
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"text": " And that's when I was there. I think it's got worse, but I see because the cartels have just gotten stronger. When I was there, they were coming up, you know, Chapa was good. Sanloa is strong. But, but now you have the rise of CJNG. We'll get a list. Good new generation cartel. Yeah. Major rival for Sinaloa, right? Hell, Mancho. He's now the big player. Cervantes, right?"
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"text": " and they're going to war. And all these guys, El Chapo, El Mencho, give your audience a little background, all these guys came out of absolute poverty. I mean, they were selling avocados and oranges in the street and now have risen to make big drug lords where their assets are over $50 billion. That's according to the Mexican government and the U.S. government. So you tell me they're not making drug lords in Mexico? And most of these guys are illiterate. They dropped out of school when they were in the fourth or fifth grade, right? But what are they good at?"
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"text": " They're good at killing. Yeah. And they're not afraid to kill. Yeah, they're brutal. They're brutal. Say, El Mayo, which was Chapo's, basically started the Sinaloa, right? And then El Chapo kind of came in right after. But I was going to say, El Mayo, like, I heard that he still drives like an old, he's worth, you know, billions and billions or whatever. And he still drives an old pickup truck. That's smart. Around town. Like, you know, like he's not"
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"text": " You know, he lives in a, you know, different places and you're the same thing with El Chapo. He's always all, he's really, he's really good at survive. He was up until the United States got him, you know, but he was really good at surviving, you know, through brutality and just for thinking like always escape route, always be thinking, don't keep staying in the same place, change, change locations. You know, that's what El Chapo was nicknamed also El Rapido. The quick one."
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"text": " He was the master of the tunnels, right? I remember that great tunnel he had the second time he was captured underneath that prison. Unbelievable. Now, you know what's funny about that? I had read that like the area that was where the prison is, it was actually the new generation that was in charge of digging, even though they're rivals of digging the tunnel. But at that time, I think at that time they were still"
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"text": " We don't have an equal partner in the war on drugs. The corruption in Mexico is so unbelievable. That's the reason I bring that up because during the trial for the chapel in New York,"
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"text": " The government witnesses testified that El Chapo offered, this is before Lopez Obrador, the president before that, with Peña Nieta, he offered him a bribe. Nieta wanted, allegedly, according to court documents, he wanted a $250 million payout, so we want to look for El Chapo. They said, you don't worry about it, you can be a fugitive for another 15 years, right? He said, no, I'll pay you $100 million. And allegedly, witnesses said, testified, he took it."
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"text": " He took it. So if the top of Mexican government is on the take, then we have no chance. This is what the battles were fighting. You see case after case after general, attorney general, I mean, just keep on getting arrested for being involved in money laundering and involved in all this stuff here. And this guy, El Mencho, out of CJ&G, he was former law enforcement."
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"text": " He was at Jalisco, right? He was involved. A lot of these guys know the game. They know it. And he's the same way we just talked about at Mayo when I was reading Guadalajara, because now it's the battle for Guadalajara, which is where a lot of stuff is going on. But he looks like he's won because they're trying to split. You know how everything is. Everybody wants to be king. Right. Yeah. One day you're the king. They want to take you out. Right. Almencho had guys he brought in that was former Millennium Cartel guys at Split. Right."
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"text": " and they want to take over and this guy's name is um scapegoat right now but if if you look at the videos he has him tortured right wrapped up kill him and then left the park bench is this is what happens when people betray uh el mencho right and stuff like that so right now it seems like he still has the lockdown in guadalajara which is very important for him"
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"text": " And he's the same guy that you're talking about, Amayo, he likes to live modestly. Not like Escobar, right? That lived in that big palace, right? Everybody knew where he lived and where he was at, but he bribed everybody. These guys, that's a little key. El Chapo's bounty was five million, right? At his peak when he escaped the second time after Sean Penn and Kate Del Castillo interviewed him. If you haven't seen that interview and video, man, you guys should need to check that out. Rolling Stone Magazine. That's great."
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"text": " Unbelievable stuff. He's I can't believe Sean Penn did that because You don't know that that's Yeah, that you know, listen, they don't care El Chapo didn't even know who he was like he's probably thinking well my celebrity will probably help Help me a little bit as or keep me safe a little bit. No, it won't he didn't even know what you are. No, all right"
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"text": " I would not have done that. That could have got really ugly. And he almost caught him after the interview because they were tracking the Mexican actress Castillo's phone. US authorities were tracking and just missed him barely. Just barely. It will take a few more years to finally catch him again and they will not escape the third time. They obviously realized like, look, we're just not going to be able to keep this guy here. We have to send him to the United States. And that's so sad because you know what? Now we have the costs, right?"
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"text": " Now the U.S. tax dollar has to pay for keeping this guy for life, feeding him the expenses, legal, everything we pay because it makes the government so corrupt, they couldn't do it themselves. And it's case after case like this. Very sad. I think, you know, it's funny, like I, first of all, people are always, you know, oh, the, you know, like the U.S. government's corrupt. Look, there's some corruption here and there. You have no idea."
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"text": " What it's like in other countries that's true in other countries it but if it not just that it's like look You're paying your police officer in Mexico making six or seven hundred dollars a month in nothing That's nothing like like I get it. You shouldn't you know, you should you shouldn't be involved in corruption You should be but it's hard not to be not only for the money, but it's dangerous like if you end up being a cop like it's it's kind of like the the the what was it a"
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"text": " Shoot. I was going to say what there was a movie about it. El Cholo was his name. El Cholo was a guy who is rival. They got wrapped up and executed. Look up his name. El Cholo. Look at the video. You see the guy from CJNG behind him in masks. And next thing you know, he ends up in a park bench. See the pictures wrapped up. He was tortured and said, this is what happened to El Cholo, the traitor. You don't play. You don't play."
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"text": " It's a horrible situation in general. When you were talking about the higher up, upper echelon of the government, I have a buddy named Juan Sanchez who was in Venezuela. He was a Venezuelan citizen, came to the United States, started doing real estate, doing very well. 2008 financial crisis hits. His subdivisions"
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"text": " But when he gets caught, he eventually, obviously, cooperates. He cooperates and the FBI comes in and the CIA comes in. They never said CIA, but they never showed badges, anything. My lawyer told me I think they were CIA. They come in and they say, listen, we looked at your phone."
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"text": " we see phone numbers and names in here of people that we've had indicted from Venezuela that are in the government and they so they start asking you know this guy you know this guy you see I know that guy and they said we've had him indicted on a sealed indictment we can't get him but you know so they asked him what happened he tells him and he says do you want me to get him to to come to the United States and they go yeah but he's he would never do that he's not that stupid and they go and Juan goes no no he's that stupid"
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"text": " He goes, you don't get to become, you don't get that high in the government without being, you don't get it through brains, you get it through brutality. That's true. So he contacts him because the guy had asked him to try and get him a travel permit in the United States so he could bring his family into the United States to visit Disney World. So he contacts him, sends him an email, no, not that side, but his"
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"text": " And now he's going to the slammer now. You know what happens? He rolled over on a bunch of people. He ended up getting like four years or something and got back out. Oh, did he? Massive, massive indictments. At that level, you've got to cooperate. You've got to flip. You've got to turn. And one thing I've noticed, all these guys too, because if you don't, you get the hammer. You get slammed. You get the most time."
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"text": " Yeah, something about Venezuela, man. Venezuela, with Nicolas Maduro now, is a narco state. It has become a narco state. He's not a communist anymore. Remember Hugo Chavez? This guy is no communist. This guy is all about making money. But the people suffer. He keeps them suffering. This guy is a dictator. He's a narco dictator. He's been indicted by our government."
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"text": " and to bring more but you know what obsessed me is a little politics here but we'll talk a little a little bit everything my books all about this but joe biden threw him a lifeline administration just see if chevron go back there and get oil pumped up because we don't want to deal with the russians right we're tired the saudis the stuff he's done a maham ben salman so it's like we want to work with the venezuelans with all the stuff this guy's done he's an atrocity to his people if you're not about him you're done"
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"text": " and I was fortunate enough to, I like to travel like history in my background, you know, I taught political science and history. I went to Mount Vernon and I've gone to Monticello, where Mount Vernon is Washington's home and then Monticello Jefferson's home and I visited there and even it's true, 1797."
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"text": " You know, Washington had just finished his second term, will not run for a third term, does not want to be seen like King George or a dictator. He says, even then it applies today. We had issues. You know, it is no perfect democracy. It's not perfect system, but the best is out there. And I think it applies today. The same thing. It's not perfect people. We don't have a perfect system, but it's the best. It's the best that's out there."
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"text": " Trust me, I've seen, I studied politics internationally, the corruption. Yeah, we're going to have corrupt officials. We're going to have problems, but it's the best that's out there. So that's where we're at with the corruption in Mexico. But the Mexican government, it's probably worse. I think it's stronger than the Colombians were because their reach is all over Central America. It's all over South America. And they have a lot of people in the United States and they're reaching not just in customs officials,"
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"text": " Not just with politicians, but you see it deeper and deeper in our country because the money is so big and so out there and the corruption is big. It's corrupt here, but they're corrupting here. So what are our solutions? We need to deal with the problem with that treatment. We need people to get off it. We need people to work on their addictions because it's just going to get worse. And they want to, like Maduro said, they're weaponizing cocaine to help destroy this country."
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"text": " They think it's going to fall like a rotten apple from within. People are going to fall and break. And that's what they're trying to do. So, um, it's funny. So I, I wish, why can't I remember the name of this, this book? I used to know it too. And let, trust me, somebody in the comment section will, will tell me the name of the book. It was actually came out probably 50, probably 10 years ago, maybe 15 years ago. And,"
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"text": " It's about, there's an evangelist, like a preacher, super rich preacher. His son gets caught. He has a security detail, right? Like he's got several of these mega churches. He has a security detail and one of the, the lead security agent or security person in charge of his security detail is a former DEA agent that had to retire because of brutality. Like he had been caught multiple times and you know, he'd been written up, he finally retires."
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"text": " Um, well, I've been, you know, writing like this, uh, by a year and a half now since I've been retired. Uh, but I used to write a lot of reports, right? You get good and really detailed in writing a lot and a lot and a lot. So I said, and I always had a thing for it. Like, I like reading. I'm always fascinated with, uh, you know, history and political science and current events. I'm always reading information. So that's what a lot of my books are. You know, I got fiction, nonfiction, but I do a lot of politics. I do about organized crime. And I realized, you know, when I started writing,"
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"text": " But you know, it just took that long to even pay it back. That's ridiculous. Now, you would have made a lot more money with Kindle for sure. Yeah. I like doing all I mean, and I just like I did my cases. I wore many hats. I played out with my books. I do my own book covers. I do my own editing. I write the material. I choose what I'm going to write about. I just did a book that just came out, I think I forward to you on Facebook, a messenger on the Jim Jones. Right. And in Jones down the massacre."
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"text": " because it's now 45 years and I want to do a little bit deeper dive in that and I found some pretty interesting things in there and mistakes that were made and I I thought things and I also give my opinion right based on my expertise right there's a worse US cult mass murder in US history almost nine oh nine hundred fifty dead right I was gonna say almost a thousand people something like a hundred and fifty kids or two hundred kids or something how many more that more that that's horrible you could hear if you haven't heard the Jim Jones tape"
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"text": " Yeah. Yeah. Horrible. Horrible. My kids are crying and everything else. And the mother, his wife, Marcelina by the way her name was, she's telling him because these are his kids too. He's poisoning. He said, let the kids live. And he goes, and just like this, he goes, mother, mother, mother, mother, please. You know, he's already crazy. Mother, please. Like very sarcastic and nasty. Like says, you know, children hurry because he already killed the congressman, right?"
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"text": " He had his goons go out and kill the conqueror, Leo Ryan and his entourage, NBC and everybody else, watched him post. They gunned him down because they knew they had 20 defectors. He knew it was over. It was over in Guyana. And then he said, when they came back, said, hey, some escaped. He knew it was over. He knew they were going to come down, put him in jail, shut it all down. And he was so selfish."
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"text": " He wrote everybody kill themselves to make that statement. He called it the suicidal revolution Which is insanity all these people's lives. It came in in for a better life lost her lives Drinking the Kool-Aid that's what it's called drinking the Kool-Aid It wasn't even Kool-Aid flavor aid flavor aid or Kool-Aid For Kool-Aid got hit with Kool-Aid drinking the Kool-Aid this whole time. I was drinking the Kool-Aid was that Kool-Aid flavor, but I was gonna say"
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"text": " Object poverty. I mean out of Indiana right and in Indiana his father was a war one veteran who suffered serious serious Chemical attacks, you know how the war was at the trenches, right? Yeah, he couldn't breathe He couldn't work couldn't do anything guy was disabled pretty much and the pension was horrible back then and then had the Great Depression They lost her home the government the company the merged company ceased it and the family had the vitamin Shack and"
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"text": " He'll take care of you. He'll fund your housing. He took advantage and I hate to say it, it took advantage of a lot of minorities and disadvantaged people, right? And the politician, because he came up with integration, right? He was one of the first guys integrating the churches with blacks and whites and everything else was unpopular in Indiana, right? He ended up going to San Francisco. Of course, very liberal out there, right? Became very popular. He would help get votes for the mayor."
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"text": " In 1976, Walter Mondale and Jimmy Carter was there and he helped California go blue, right? So he can beat Ford. So that's why they were embarrassed, humiliated, right? Angry. They didn't want a full investigation on Jonestown. But this guy, Ryan, he was a Democrat, but he knew there was something wrong. And but this is where I criticize him in the book a little bit. Well, you know, this guy is so unstable, right?"
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"text": " He they had already information affidavits and defectors that they were already doing mock drills like this drinking the Kool-Aid They already trained them that this happens. This is what we're gonna do They have people whether called white knight drills where they have gunfire over their heads So they would just stay down and they would drink the Kool-Aid. He had all the cyanide prepared for this so you don't think that's how but I don't you look but I hear what you're saying, but I"
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"text": " If you were telling me that, I would be thinking, that's crazy. It's too crazy. Like, that's not going to happen. Like, that's never happened. Like, like, I mean, in the in history, it happened. But it's so unbelievable that an American citizen and that a group of American citizens Americans would have done this or that anybody would follow or anybody would follow through like, OK, he's doing it. I get it. He's out there. But that's probably not going to happen. And, you know, who's going to and who's going to kill a senator?"
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"text": " The guards, he's a communist. Those who don't know, he's a hardcore, very much Marxist-Leninist communist. He hated this country because obviously the racial issues, he called it pretty much a racist-fascist nation. And he wanted to set up this Marxist utopia."
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"text": " The gun squad, what I call them, the Red Brigade, came out with injections and injected everybody in the shoulder with cyanide. And you see them. And so a lot of people were murdered. And to me, when you're brainwashed like that, you're being murdered."
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"text": " I see that. So going back to my point, I thought the congressman made a mistake. I know he had a history of being very proactive. He's a Democrat. And remember, this guy Jones helped the Democrats win the 76 election, the national election. It went a lot because he was key getting the votes out with African Americans because he had an integrated church. He was a socialist. Remember, there's a very socialist area."
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"text": " The State Department did not give them a lot of information while I was reading. According to the staff member who survived, what really was going on? Because remember, they had people already saying about all these defectors saying, hey dude, they're doing mock exercises. They're torturing people in there. If you stand up anything, they'll put you in this hot box. They'll put you underground. They put you in a well. They really torture people. You better get on the program. There's no escaping. There's no leaving. This is what they're doing to you. So I think it was a big mistake."
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"text": " Him knowing what's going on there, knowing these guys are armed, he knew they were armed. I personally, just being common sense, is that I need the guy in government to help me, give me security, protection. He went unarmed. He's thinking that the media guys, oh, you know, I have NBC with me at the Washington Post, they're going to, he's not going to shoot us with the media here. Yeah, kill everybody. This guy's not following the Geneva Convention. Like, I can't shoot reporters or medics."
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"text": " Don't you know I'm a congressman? Yeah. I don't think you care. Yeah. So that's the thing. You can never underestimate your opponent. Never underestimate. Be prepared. I think he would have said if he would have had the army or at least some representatives and they saw the evidence,"
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"text": " And look what we have, the consequences. So something you got to really think about this guy. And he really, there's a reason why he went, he created Jonestown because he was this close, again, picked up in the US for obviously tax evasion. He really didn't have a church. He had all this protection as a church, but it was a cult and he was stealing and he was abusing. He would, he would rape the members. He would even rape males. So he was involved in a lot of bad things. So he knew his time was coming. That's why he set up Guyana. I think originally he wanted to go in Brazil."
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"text": " Read about it. You'll be shocked and the video his video is taped the death tape. You gotta listen to that About the brink of a madman with a thousand people jumping off a cliff Yes, um Well shoot I was gonna say something too when you were talking I was thinking oh I know what it was. It was the it kind of one of the things you were talking about finances is it reminded me of"
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"text": " That's typical with this communist socialist system. Look at Nicholas Maduro. You look at Fidel Castro. You look at Xi Jinping in China. You look at Kim Jong-un in North Korea. They abuse the people. They think this is better for them. No, this is the best system out here, folks. Don't get conned into that. This is the best system out there. Nothing is perfect, but it is the best system. At least you can work your way up. You want to get your education. You want to do things. You can make something in your life here."
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"text": " They can never, no matter what happens, they can never take your education from you. They can't take your drive from you. They can't take your determination from you. That's built within you. No matter what government happens. Educate and be free. And there's a lot of brainwashing. And be a person. Ask questions. Get different sources. Don't just accept one source. And unfortunately, these people did that, right? And you see the communists do that. And he was very good at propaganda and brainwashing where you weren't allowed to get other information from other sources. It was his source of information."
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"text": " All right. That's depressing. All right."
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"text": " But true though, right? You really brought that you really brought that the tenor of the show down is no but But but but we're it though. We're the shining light here. So a good thing is we're living the good country Be happy you are born in communist China or Venezuela or North Korea. That is just I've never seen the videos out there man. That is depressing see that"
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"text": " So those are the books also all the kind of books I've written about so I have such a such a huge for almost no just did 60th Jim Jones my 60th book I just did my sixth book and a little over a year So it's pretty cool. You can find it now. I'm doing the audible books should be coming out That should be coming out within a month on ATF undercover and then I'm doing more with Sean We're just doing the one on mass shootings. We just started that one"
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"text": " So I'm some of the worst mass shootings in US history. And based on my background, solutions to that. I mean, that could be a show within itself. What's going on in our country with mass shootings. That's depressing for me. And how we can stop it and how what we can do. I don't know if you've seen the video or not. And I talked a lot about this. I've done shows about this. Oval Day, Texas. What happened? Robb Elementary? No. Yeah, you have to look at the video. Seventy seven minutes while the shooter's in the classroom."
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"text": " killing the students and teachers while the police is outside. Oh, okay. Oh yeah. I've, I've seen bits and pieces. I've seen the whole thing. It is really all of it's out there now and what's really upsetting and you've got to watch this in the audience to look at this. One of the officers, female officers, you know, they forget they have the body cams on, right? Right. And another guy was recording her because everybody has it on."
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"text": " And I guess she had fur off, but he had his on and they're outside. They are ready. Finally. It was the feds. It was the board patrol. The attack, the attack unit came in there and it wasn't the locals. The other ones went in there and there were, I think they were like 15, 20 miles away and they responded. And they're the ones that came in the classroom and they're the ones that killed him. He killed the Ramos inside there. It wasn't the locals to stay outside. Uh, she said, he said, it wasn't your daughter in there. And one of the guys was saying, no, no, my daughter was a VPK."
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"text": " But if my daughter was in there, I would definitely got it. Wow. Come on. My daughter was in there, but the other people's daughters, children weren't good enough to go in there. I mean, that's what you serve and protect. This is what the call is about."
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"text": " When you got that kind of situation and kids are dying, one of the girls was calling 911, saw her teacher get her head blown off, right? And the other students are dying, bleeding in there. It says, please come and help using the teacher's phone, right? To call 911. You stay outside the classroom because, oh, he's got a rifle. We have handguns. Well, they have nothing, right? Go in there and get a shotgun. You got shotguns, you got everything else."
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"text": " That's the kind of things I talk about work. You need people who are teachers, teachers willing to die for the students. Some of them were showing their students at the end, taking the bullets for their kids. They want to fight. And those, just like after 9-11, we had, after the pilots, right, taking over the airplanes, they had the option to be armed, right? We're at the point where we would probably have to do the same thing with administrators, teachers, the same thing, because some police officers happened in Miami and Parkland. They stayed outside, right?"
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"text": " and Cruz ends up Nicholas Cruz ends up killing a lot of the students and teachers inside because he has a rifle, right? I understand it's not a fair fight. You're going to hang on. He has better range. It's faster as you go through your body hour, but these kids have nothing and the teachers have nothing and staying outside. That's, that's being a coward act after shoot training. So you got two people in, you can do, and you address the guy because that's what, that's what you're supposed to do. So I dress a lot of that books are only coming on audible. So it's already on that. And I talk a lot of scenarios,"
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"text": " What we've learned, what we haven't learned and the problems we have. And we may have to become more like Israel to protect ourselves if, because the response time is too long. And if a lot of these place don't want you armed, well, then you have to do something about it because this, this doesn't end. We just had another one in Michigan state, right? It just seems like every week there's a new active shooter. As we speak right now, Matt, there's someone else who got triggered. It's going to do the same thing because we have a mental health crisis in this country that's unimaginable. And on top of that,"
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"text": " Easy access to weapons. That's the pressing thing about 21st century America right now, and I put that in my book here. It's still a solution because the only other solution is a good guy taking on bad guys with guns, right? Letting everybody be armed. And because in Indiana a few months ago, in a food court, in a mall, a guy had armed himself in the bathroom. He started shooting, but somebody was armed to see a weapons permit and addressed him and killed him. Yeah."
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"text": " You never see that. You never see that video though. Hopefully we'll see a new push. No, no, no. We gotta push other stuff. So those are things I want your audience to think about. Good conversations, serious topics we've taken on, but that's what I write about. Things are happening in solution. My back, especially with ATF, my back with guns and stuff like this. It's really things that shouldn't be politicized by the right or the left."
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"text": " This is about us, right? Our family, because nobody wants their kids killed. Everybody wants to have their peace of mind. I have two daughters safe at school. That's the worst case scenario. You get that call. School got shut down. A mad man's it's in the looser and they do nothing. Pulse nightclub. I mean, it's just case after case. The police don't go in sometimes. Pulse nightclub. They spend like 12 hours while he's a member in the gay nightclub. The guy is shooting everybody in the gay nightclub. I mean, they wait for the SWAT team."
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"text": " Well, the people are in the bathroom and he's lining up in the stalls and he's shooting everybody. Why aren't they going in? So it is just one after another. And I pick apart each one. So it's an interesting read what we have to learn and what we have to do. And it's about people being armed. These gun-free zones, man. Yes. The bad guys are going to victimize you because they're going to... That doesn't change a thing. No, they're going to be armed. They know that's easy pickings because I've done a lot of shows with guys"
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"text": " And, you know, just my own history group have a history and that's what they look for. You know, they look for the bank doesn't have the armed security guy, right? They look for the place in the mall, which is nobody armed, no policing or the theater. These are things we have to prepare for. If you outlaw guns, like, you know, outlaws, like, you know, look, let's face it, criminals are not going to abide by that. They're not going to abide by that rule. Oh, we're not only have the gun. Oh, well, then I won't. What are you talking about?"
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"text": " If you're willing to commit a mass shooting, you're willing to break the law, the gun laws. There's just too many guns. You'll never get rid of all the guns. No, we can't get rid of them. The United States is the biggest manufacturer of weapons in the world. Yeah. I mean, the Europeans have come here. I mean, you have Glock, which used to be made in Austria, it's made in Georgia. SIG Sauer, which is made in Germany, it's made in the Northeast. H&K, also in Germany, they've come here because we're buying it all."
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"text": " I mean, I have my collection too, but you have to protect your family because if you expect Cole 911 and the police come save you from home invader in your house, they'll hold your breath. Yeah, no. You better get your concealed weapons from it. You better practice. If you haven't shot your gun and that's the first time you're going to shoot it, that's not the time to learn. You better be competent with it because you're going to be pumped. You're going to be drilling. You got some crazy coming at you. You have to be ready how to use it and defend yourself because the worst thing is you see somebody do something bad to your family and you wish you could have stopped it."
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"text": " It's awesome, man. Are you ready? Yeah, we're good. Yeah. Yeah, I just, uh, you mean do a little promo or something? Yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely. I usually say that, you know, obviously I'm going to put Colby, which is anybody who watches this knows who Colby is. Colby will put, you know, the book links. Like if you send me the book links, he'll put your book links in the description. Oh, great."
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"text": " And you just see all my books 60 books from fiction to nonfiction. I also do fiction books also which are fun reads so do pictorial books and The I think you're really like if you like organized crime. I have a lot to do. This is a true crime channel I have a lot in organized crime. My personal experience is dealing with biker group. We haven't even talked about that yet So that could be another show Down the road if you want doing the one percenters doing the outlaws the Hells Angels the Mongols the"
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"text": " And you see it firsthand what's going on there. So a lot of cool things. Please look it up and have the audio stuff coming out on Audible ATF undercover and hopefully they get the other books out there through Sean. It's on Amazon, right? Everything's on Amazon. All my books are exclusively on Amazon. I have 72 books."
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"text": " I've got super long ones, medium ones, and short ones. And now I'm getting into the audibles. Right. And I was gonna say, Sean, you're working with Sean to do the audibles. Sean Milo, excellent. You used them. Others have. He's been doing it for years. Nice voice, easy, soothing, nice to listen to. Can't complain about that. Enjoy that. And if you're a Kindle Unlimited subscriber, all my books are free."
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