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$60,000 spending limit every day. I'm hitting stores, hitting stores, hitting stores. It's like we struck gold. That's the Trump Hotel. I go inside the penthouse. I thought I cheated life. I'm gonna just keep doing this till I get a million dollar house. I'm gonna get married and just do this forever. The first scam I did, I was in a house one day. I'm on a computer. I'm on eBay. And eBay
It had a checkout thing called bail me later. And I remember they used to ask for like the name, date of birth and social. If you could put in that information, I guess you can pay. You could pay with your social basically. I remember I did it. I seen it at checkout. I was doing something else and I seen it at checkout. So I went and I added an iPhone to the cart.
and I did the process. I forgot who social I use, but I had somebody social at the time. I'm not really sure where I got the social from, how I obtained it, but I put it in and it went through and the iPhone came in the mail and I was just like, oh wow, it worked. I was just
I had a girlfriend at the time and her mom worked in the office where she dealt with people information, social and stuff. So one day I went to her, I was just talking to her about what I found out and what I did and stuff like that.
And she was like, Oh, my mom worked in a customer service thing. Um, I think I could get you some socials and stuff like that. And I'm like, yeah, that's perfect. Like whatever she gave me, I could break you off money and stuff like that. It sounded good. We excited about it. So she went to her mom and she had a cool mom. I guess her mom started giving her socials. She used to give me on the little
And it's all coming to your house. It's a bad idea.
I don't know what I'm doing. I was just on a computer one day, like just put it in stuff. So this trial and error, right? I do it. It's working. It's working. Once you get caught, then you go. That's how I know not to mail it to my house. Yeah, but it's funny because I never, I never got caught. I never got caught for it or nothing. I just did it a couple of times and it was cool. And I don't know if they stopped the bill me at that time or which one came first or her parents stopped
working there or she stopped giving her the information. One of those came first. So I end up not going too far. You know what I'm saying? It was just like a temporary couple of months thing. Got a couple of iPhones out of it. Yeah, it gave me a taste of, yeah, perfect. It gave me a taste of like getting something for free. You get what I'm saying? Or getting some more information. That was like the first thing I did. So one day, me and my friend, we go to our buddy house. We had a friend
And every time we go to his house, just like this friend, like, he always had like nice clothes. Like we call him Diddy, Diggy, Diggy, Diggy. I didn't know him personally. My friends knew him. Like that was their friends. And I always used to wonder like what he do, like what he do for a living. He had this nice house, his parents' house, obviously. I'm like 19 at the time. He around the same age.
Probably a year older, if anything, two years. And he always, every time he come around, even before we went to the house that day, always coming around, he was driving. I remember that was another thing like, oh, like he's driving. None of us was driving. I didn't know too many people driving at that age. We went to his house one day and I remember he came to my friend and he was like, oh, don't your friend work like at a, at a register?
And, and he was like, yeah, so they talk and he give them something. So my friend come back to me, he was like, yo, I was just talking to diggy. And he said, like, he got like a little black box thing. Like, that's, that's what it's called black box. It's called like a mini XD, like the name of it. This is a skimmer. Yeah, it's a reader. Yeah. So
First time seeing it, don't know what it is. It just looked like a tiny little handheld little register card swiper thing. So he was just like, listen, when you go to your job, just take this, just swipe cards on it. You're still working at McDonald's. Still working at McDonald's. So that's why they came to me for it. So he's like, just take this, swipe cards on it, and you're just going to get some money. Like he's going to pay you for just swipe, swipe as much card as you can on it. What did you get per swipe?
It wasn't even per swipe. It was just swipe cards and I'm gonna just give you, I forgot the amount. He offered me amount. You just swipe as much as you can. If you get a lot, I give you some money. They didn't really understand it because I understand. I need 10 bucks every time I swipe this fucking thing. That's what I need. Because I didn't know how much. You set fucking price here. I didn't know the gravity. I didn't know the gratitude of how much money he was really making.
Offer it like I didn't really understand. I know it's a credit card. I understand they got money on it and I know he told me a decent price probably like like 500 every time I give it to him somewhere a thousand and I was just like cool. All right, cool Like I'm gonna try to do this as much I'm trying to get like five hundred dollars every a thousand dollars every week Try to give it to you twice a week. So I just took it took it and
Took it to McDonald's. I'm doing great. I'm swiping, working a drive-thru, so it was perfect. Swiping, swiping, swiping, boom. Even in the front register, I found the way to swipe the card, like myself. Because you know in McDonald's, they got the self-swipe thing in front of them. So they're not supposed to hand you their card. Yeah, the point of sale. Yeah. So I came up with what I did.
Ring their order up, ring their order up, boo boo boo boo boo. After I ring their order up, they'll go and swipe their card. But it's a button, I remember this, I remember this, I swear to God. It's a button that you have to press so it can process the transaction. If not, it's just going to keep saying processing on a screen. It'll say processing, processing, and you click the button, either approve or decline. So
When they swipe their card, I don't press the final checkout. I remember it was a yellow button on the bottom right hand side that you have to press to complete the transaction. You could press it before they swipe it and then it just goes through. Or if you don't press it before they swipe it, it's just going to stay there, whatever the case may be.
But it's still a checkout button. It's still a check on like, like, like you have to press it so the screen can light up, but you got to press it to like process it. So once that screen pop up for them, I tell them like, Oh, we having difficulty like with the system right now. So I got to, I got to swipe the card like in the main office for it to finish processing. And this is when I started learning, like reading people like who will really go for something like this or who will really give me their card or who really looked like they had.
Money, you get what I'm saying? So I started picking out certain people like that didn't know people that was really in a rush. So they'll swipe the card and basically give it to me. I'd be like, there's something going on with the system. I have to finish the transaction in the back, I have to finish it. So I'll take the car, go to the back, swipe it on the card. And when I come back,
I just say, just give it a little time. It's running through the system right now and then in that time, I'll click the button real quick and then the receipt will just come out. And I'll be like, thank you. Give them a call back what they receive. And I was like, OK, wasn't a big deal. So I found out how to do it from both ways because I wasn't always in drive through.
Do you have to hide that from your coworkers or is it like, you know, like at the time I was, I was hiding it from, uh, from my coworkers. I didn't want to nobody know. Cause I didn't really make friends there. It was just like,
More older people, it was more older people. I remember it was like this one African guy, like he was on to me, like he knew like I was doing something. I was taking money out to register and stuff like that. I used to do a lot of crazy stuff and I ended up getting fired for that too. Like three in the morning, the system in McDonald closed down. You ever went to McDonald's like three, four in the morning, back in the days and they'll tell you like, oh, our system is rebooting or something like that.
People know like if you've been to McDonald's like around three four in the morning to this day the system have to reset from The regular menu to breakfast and when it's switching over they can't accept any payment So what we used to do at our store, we should take the payments manually So we used to ask them what they want Write it write it down do the math or how much it costs and tell the cooks to make this y'all make this make that make that and
They go and make it boop, boop, boop. Put it in the bag, bag it up. Get the money. Listen, your total is this much. They give you the money. They give you a calculator. Put how much they gave you, how much change they're supposed to get back. It's only cash at the start. Give them a change, full, boop. So what I used to do sometimes, I used to get they order, tell a cook to make the cook and only put that he wanted two items instead of the five items he want.
And I would do the math on it, what's ever left, pocket it, give them a change. Nobody knew doing that for a while along with the thing. So I was in there just working. Sometimes that African dude, he used to leave his register because he used to be working one register. I'm working in a drive thru. I used to just go and just go to his register. Both our registers is open. It's just sitting there. I just go take money out of register. Little stupid, stupid stuff. Greedy.
So I was taking the black box to that I should give it to my friend, you have to go to my friend, I didn't know personally. So I used to go back and forth. This all I was doing in McDonald's, like, you know, through the through the time, I will give the box to my friend. He give it to him. And
Give it back to him to give to me. And the first couple of times he was just like, Oh, um, are you swiping a card? Right? Make sure you, you, you swiping it right. Um, none of the cards was good. This and that and the third. Right. Okay. Did it a couple more times, brought it back. Same thing. It probably didn't take like three weeks, probably like the third week. I said, all right. Um,
something got to give I didn't gave you probably over 200 cards like this is no way you're not telling me nothing is like like because I don't even understand I don't even know what you're doing I just I just know like I am swiping it right you tell me how to swipe I'm doing everything this is not working and now I'm getting suspicious like all right you doing something funny so
My friend, he was supposed to get money from it too, from introducing us. So he's getting mad now too, you get what I'm saying? So we both go to him one day, we're like, listen, we're not doing this no more unless you cough up some bread. And he was like, yo, look, you could come with me and I'll show you. He was like, you could come with me, I'll show you. So
What he was talking about, he just wanted my friend to go with him. He didn't want me to come. So we all in the house and he was just like, all right, so we made a plan. Boom, we made a plan. He's like, yo, we're going to go this day. That day came, me and my friend thinking, we sitting in the house thinking that he talking about both of us. So the whole time he moving where? Like we walking downstairs. Like he moving like it's something wrong.
But I wasn't supposed to be there. That's the that's the whole that's the whole reason why he why he moving like uncomfortable. So we get to the car. I remember it was like a little like an Audi, Audi SUV, silver, we sit in a car, we chilling, we talking, we like, all right, come on, like, like, let's go like, you got the credit card, right? And he like, Oh, yeah, but
It's nighttime, too. It was another strange thing. It was night. It was dark. And he was like, oh, yeah, but I only could bring you. I can't bring him. So my friend immediately at the time, he's like, oh, no, that's not going to work. He got to come. He don't want to get in the cars. Very genuine. I respect him to this day for that.
He was like, oh, now he got to come along. If we go do this, he got to come. I don't even know what we about to do. I'm just going like I want money. I want money. And I know you said you're going to take us to get the money. I know we probably got to swipe the car somewhere. I know it's something in that nature. Still don't know too much about it. So
My friend ended up saying like, nah, we don't want to do that. So he ended up giving my friends a couple of cards and just like, you know what? Y'all could do it on your own. He got mad and just like, yo, y'all could do it on your own. Gave us some cards and just got out the car. We went back upstairs. So we just like, all right, cool. We take the couple of cards. All right, no big deal. We do it by ourselves. So the cards that he gave us, they like the blank cards. Like it was crazy. Like it's like the old white.
The old white version with a magnetic strip on it. So mind you, at the time I'm like, oh, so this is how y'all do it. It's not supposed to look, I don't know nothing. I'm like a brand new person. Like I'm like, oh, so this is how y'all do it. Like it's a white card and y'all just swipe it like that. Like I didn't know you could put a actual bank logo on it and put some color on it and put numbers on it and everything. It was just a white, old white card.
where it looked like a security card or something. So we took it, tried that McDonald's, didn't work. We tried it a couple of paces. We went to like a couple of other fast food restaurants, trying the other ones. We didn't work. We sit in there swiping like 10 white cards back to back lady. You know, it's people like us working in McDonald's at the time. They don't care. They just sit in there laughing. They don't know what's going on. The whole town, city, they don't, you know, nobody know about scam. And this is early, like when, when it first started in, in my city. So we
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Long story short, I think from that day, we cut our hands from him. We ain't there with him. So I ended up getting fired from McDonald's. They found out I was stealing from the register.
Thank God, that's all they found out. They said, listen, we firing you because you've been money been coming missing. And we don't even want to talk about it anymore. Like I just came in for work one day. No, I came into work. I remember I was about to leave. So when I was leaving clocking out, they said, listen, we don't want you working here no more. Things are going missing. That's in that nature. Things going missing. You know what you're doing. So the whole time I'm thinking like, damn, that they they know swiping the cars like
I'm going to have the police at my door later or something in case maybe, but thank God never happened. They just fired me, went about my way. So now I'm, I'm just, I'm just freelancing. I didn't graduate yet. Um, my friend that I was with, like my best friend, like basically the two people I'm talking about, they brothers. One is around my age, one is older, just so I don't have to keep explaining that.
One name, one name is T. I'm gonna just say T. The other one is W. Wiz. T and Wiz. Because we was apart, but not too much. Like T, I went to school with him. I went to school. We did everything together. That's how I met him. And then I met him. I met his older brother through him. So
He was going to school at the time I wasn't so I'm in the house one day. And I remember when I had the black box, I remember flipping it over one day and I seen like a name on it. And I remember I took a picture of it. Like I took a picture of the name. It was a white sticker on a reader. And I was just in the house board and I typed that name I typed in everything I've seen on that stick. I just typed it in Google. Oh,
pops up google search ebay amazon this youtube videos oh you can order this mind you the whole time i'm thinking some foreign thing he probably you know some like impossible to get right like like some classified secret thing boom yeah so
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And I see the price for it and it wasn't that much it was like I seen one for like 100 then I see another one for like 80 60 around that price. So I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna order one But I don't know what I'm gonna do with it. I don't know. I'm just like I'm gonna order one So I order it whatever the case may be. It's on its way. Boom. I get the tracking information So I click on the YouTube videos for that go on YouTube type it in get a clear research and
I see YouTube videos like people talking about this. I'm like, wow, so they say in the videos like, oh, this is the reader. This is used to collect the information on the back of the people credit cards on a magnetic strip, the black strip, they call it the magnetic strip. So like, this is how businesses use it to like, like run people credit cards or to process people credit cards and stuff like that. So I'm like, okay, that's all I knew at the time. Okay, cool.
So that comes in the mail, I get it. So I'm like, all right, now I got to find a job to
to swipe the cards or I got to find somebody who working a job. But mind you, I still don't know nothing. So, so I get it, put it to the side. I'm like, I got to figure out how this go boom. I come with a little CD, like it's like a it's like a regular CD. It's a tiny CD, but you could put it like in a regular computer and that CD was the program for the for the reader. So I put it in. I download the pre grant download the program.
and then after the program downloaded a box pop up it's a track one track two track three so from the video i remember like oh this on a track one is going to have like the people name and and on that side of the information or track one is going to have the people first last name whatever the case may be in a bunch of other numbers bunch of random numbers after the name it just looked like a bunch of numbers but within that number you can see the person first last name and then in track two you're going to see the the car number
the expiration date and that's it. And I'm like, okay, cool. So, okay, cool. So I started understanding. So as I'm watching those videos, they're suggesting videos like suggest or peep video that people also watch.
So that's when I learned about the reader and the writer, the bigger one. So I took an interest in that, clicked on that, that video, that video opened up, basically learned about the, the MSR, it was called like the MSR 206 306, something like that. So I learned about that. I'm learning. And this is so crazy at the time. It's really like a one, two, three step on YouTube, like how to really operate, like the simplest way how to operate it. Right.
I just found this amazing. I was always like one of those computer kids, always on a computer, always researching, always opening my Xbox and Playstations and going on YouTube and seeing how to put it back together. So I was like a YouTube kid growing up and stuff like that. So okay, cool. I learned how to use the MSR.
and then i did the same thing found out the name of that put it on google found out where to order it end up ordering the msr now so now i got the msr because i know i need this to to read and write the call whatever and when i brought the msr every every msr come with um
like a 2010 pack
like Chinese videos of people like making a car like, oh, they can print stuff. So I'm learning all this on like YouTube and Google, I swear to God, Google and YouTube. So I'm learning old people print stuff on this. Okay. So now it's making sense. So now I got an idea. Okay, I got to get the black box in the store, swipe some cards when I get it. This information going to pop up here. Boom, I could take this white card, I could swipe the information on it, and I could go use it. Cool. So I have it.
I didn't jump right into it. I had it. Boom. I'm waiting for opportunity. So my sister, my one of my little sister, that's two years for me. She worked at a store in Soho. You know, you know where Soho is in Manhattan? Yeah. It's a nice, it's a nice area, right? Yeah. It's like tourist attraction and stuff. So she got, so she worked in a clothing store. So she got me a job in the clothing store as a security guard.
Just put the word in for me, talk to a boss, listen, my brother need a job, blah. Got me in there. So I'm working there, regular, boo boo boo, cool. I end up getting fired. End up getting fired. I wasn't there too long. Couldn't hold a job. I was there. And I remember I was working there before, and this was like my first time really in a city. I'm seeing nice cars drive by. And I remember just always looking, I'm in security, so I'm always in the front door. And I remember always looking out, seeing the people, nice clothes.
Good and it's always this blue Audi R8 that used to always just come like once a week and he used to just run in the bank and just go back in his car and I watched him it's like every Thursday or Friday he would just be there at a certain time with a nice female sitting in his car and he would just run in the bank and just come back out with a chase bank across the street.
I remember it was one girl. She was cool. She was cool with just, just, you know, regular talking.
I remember I hit her up one day, I was like, um...
I'm trying to make some money, whatever the case may be. She was like, all right, talk to me. What's up? I'm like, you know the girl, the Chinese girl, the Philippine girl that work at the register? I need to talk to her and I explained to her a little bit about it. I got a tool where she could swipe credit cards and stuff. I explained the whole thing to her. She swiped the cards on it. I'm like, explain that to her and just let her know. Let her know how she feel about it.
Because in my head, I'm not thinking it's a goal because this girl's like clean slate, like look all the way Philippine, like Chinese got the accent. I don't think she's from here. I think she moved here, but like you would never, you can trust her. You would give her for me a car to pay with in the store. You would never think twice. Like,
So she talked to her, boom, talked to her. She come back to me. She like, she said she want to do it. I'm like, seriously? I'm like, all right, so let's, let's do it. So now it's my first time. So I'm like, all right, let's get it. So we meet up by the store before they open. I go there early, jump on a train.
go over there boom give it a box told her how to work look and press this button on the side when it turned green when a green light the green light gonna pop up immediately when it turned green swipe the card like this boom make sure the magnetic strip is touching
the silver thing it's a little silver thing you got to slide across and when you look in the box you can see it but that's too much work trying to look between that little space the button just make sure the magnetic strip is always facing the button just an easy way to remember so she don't even have to look at it she could just fill it fill where the button is and know that the black part of the card i gotta i gotta swipe that way so if you swipe it the wrong way it's not going to read enough that you got to swipe it so it can read on a strip so explained it to her gave it to her boom
First day she had it. It was cool. Got a couple of numbers. I plugged it in the computer. Went home, took it, plugged it in the computer. Numbers pop up. Boop, boop. Just exactly how they explained in the video. Track one, track two. Some had track three. I didn't really know what track three was at this time. Still don't kind of know. It wasn't really a point, no. But got all the information.
And I'm like, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. I'm looking through the numbers. No, I'm figuring out it's my first time seeing seeing the numbers. I see an example like how it's supposed to look like like fake random numbers like 12345678910 just just random. So I'm looking at real card numbers now. I'm like, OK, like this is how it is. Transfer it, copy all the cards, put it in the notes.
took took one took one call number copy paste it on a writer because now you want to the writer put the put the information in in the writer but track one to track one it's like matching like like put the first information track one and track one put the information in track two and track two
and swipe the card, swipe it so, so it can write it, write the information on the card. So I did it, boom, write it. And then I read it again, switched it to read. So when you swipe it, it pops up and it tells you what's on the card just to make sure like, you know, it's good. Yeah. Boom. Did that. And I was excited. I was excited. Took like five more calls, swiped it, swiped it, swiped it, swiped it. Ran to my friend house. Like, listen, I got some calls. I swiped it.
Let's go try it. Don't really have faith. I was excited when I did it by myself, but I wasn't too excited yet because I felt like it was going to be the same thing. Like what if he was telling the truth? Like I'm swiping the cards and they not working. So we go to McDonald's, same thing we did before. Go to McDonald's, swipe them. It went. And mind you, at this time, this is a big thing too. This is before they had chips on the card.
Right. This is before, this is when it was just people had credit cards where you would just swipe and that's it. You either put in a pin number, if it's debit, credit, you just got to sign. Debit, pin number, credit, you sign. But even what I found out, even with a debit card, you can press credit still and it would charge the card just like debit. It would charge you as a debit. You just don't have to type in a pin number and you just sign. It's weird. It's just like
You could bypass the pin. You could bypass the pin number with no problem. It's just weird. It's just mind boggling to me at the time, because I couldn't distinguish what was a credit card and what was a debit card. I don't know what's Bank of America. I don't know what's Wells Fargo. I just know it's credit cards at the time.
So, all right. Realize like the first few numbers. The first six numbers, the bin number, bank identification number. Yeah. So at this time, I know nothing. I'm just, we buying food at this time. We just buying food, testing them out. But they're happy. Yeah, they was working. Like they was working for food. Like we was happy. Like we was happy because you got to just think like we never,
got this to work we never had nothing free like this is it's like we struck gold like this is like when i brought it to my friend this is nothing that that nobody but the one stingy diggy dude he knew how to do it he didn't tell nobody like he he was to himself he didn't have too much friends so out of everybody we knew
And the people in our community that surround us, the people that we bump into, nobody is doing it. So we're feeling like this is our secret. You get what I'm saying? Like we struck gold. We struck gold, whatever the case may be. Do you keep going back to the chick, the Asian chick? Oh yeah. What are you giving her? At this time, I wasn't giving her nothing.
Why I mean she's she's getting a number but we're not getting no money yet. Oh, it's just it's just we hamburgers and French fries We just happy that it's just working so boom so, you know Get for the box back or whatever the case may be she get a number So now this is when we think I'm like, alright, so so what can we do with it? We can
We immediately thinking like electronics, just just bigger items, just just bigger items. So if I could remember the first place we tried to. The first place we tried that I think it was target. It was target because we had to take the train because we didn't because I know we didn't have a vehicle at the time we have vehicles, so everything was just hopping on a train.
Going to places, coming back, like the local train, not like the express train that go out of state. So we hopped in the train. I remember we went into Target. No, Toys R' Us. We went into Toys R' Us and the Toys R' Us, they were selling iPads at the time. So we picked up an iPad. We sitting there happy with the white card in our hand. We swipe it covering the whole card. Swipe it. Boom, decline.
Oh, it probably only hit for food, getting discouraged. He was like, yo, try another one. Try another one. Take the other one out. Swipe the clock. Oh man. At this time, you get what I'm saying? We about to leave. We mad as shit. Yo, I'm not about to sit here. The lady looking suspicious. Um, so my friend that was telling me to swipe, like, like, like, try another one. He telling me like, yeah, like, let's go. Like, let's go.
We're trying to get another time. I'm like, no, no, no. I'm gonna try one more for some reason. I'm like, I'm gonna try one more Swipe it boom approve. Oh Shit looking at each other. We cheesing from mouth to mouth happy
Running out with the iPad. So we running around the city. Now we get it. We like, all right. Cool. We didn't care about getting nothing else at the sound. Like, we didn't care about work. We just like, we had to find somewhere to sell this. We end up going to like the diamond district in New York City.
It was like a bunch of Jewish people were like, you know, running around selling diamonds, but on Google and online, they always say like, oh, we buy electronics, we buy this. So that was a place a lot of people, a lot of people in New York went to, to like pawn stuff. So we went there, boom, gave us a percentage on it. We sold it, made some money. All right, like it works. It works. So boom. So
gave her the card, gave the girl the reader back. So now he's like, all right, we got to figure out like, like better ways how to how to do this. Better way we like, yo, listen, we go get a rental, we got a little bit of money.
What's a little bit of money? 500 bucks? No, no, no. A thousand? So after we gave her the box, she was giving it back. We went back and forth with it. So that was our thing. We would just go to Toys R Us, or we would go to Target, because we didn't have Walmart and stuff. And we would just get one iPad at a time. We would just keep swiping cars to one work, and we would get an iPad. But it got to the point, the first car we swiped, and it's working.
Like it and it was so stupid at the top and then it turned into like like quick like the second week I'll get one and he get one. So we we had a little money. We had a little little probably Like in the first three weeks probably like after spending money like Two thousand three thousand like little pocket money to run around with So he's we was okay. We was like, all right moving on
We was like no these white cars like like it was given us a problem now now they looking at them funny like like they they catching a glimpse and we went to one store one day and they and they called it basically there's like can I see the car can I see your ID this and on the third.
And we was like, oh, um, um, uh, we made up some excuse. Can't remember. We made up an excuse, but we left. We, that was the first time like we heard them ask access for ID. So he was like, dang. And I was telling my friend like, like, yeah, I know. Like, like they, like, they got the real thing all along. Like they was talking about it where people could put their names on it or whatever the case may be. So we were just like, we got to figure out a way how to get our names on this card. So.
Like I said, the, the, the Chinese girl that was getting a call. She was, I'm not going to lie. Shout out to her. She, she just going, she just, she just dealing with like the dumb shit that's going on. She dealing with taking it, not receiving nothing at the top. Did you ever pay her anything? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. But it doesn't sound like a lot. It sounds like you get, she gave her, you gave her 200 bucks. One time hamburgers.
I came up with an idea. I'm in the house one day. I had my own personal car. I had a TD car. I had some prepaid cars with my name on it. I was like, what if I swipe these cars and put the information on my car, even though it's just two, three of them I have right now. It'll be good. It can match with my ID.
The last four numbers that come out on a receipt, it's not going to match. It's going to be my original card number that's on my card, and whatever card number that I put onto my card, basically, I don't want to confuse nobody, but the information I'm putting onto my card, it's not going to match the same card number as
My original car. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, so I found that out. So I told my friends, listen, bring a couple of calls with your name on it to my house. I'm gonna put them on and this is how we go do it now. So we was just like, all right, we can't go to to the rest. We don't probably went to all of them. We scared at the time or whatever the case may be. So we came up with an idea. We like, yo, we're gonna start going to jewelry stores.
like in the city, like jewelry stores, jewelers, and we were going there and we'd be like, oh, I got a graduation today, or just some event like my parents getting married, I just need a chain talking to them and jewelers in New York City, they greedy, they always try to, oh, listen, oh, these earrings go nice with that chain, you should get it too, and this and that and the third, and they very slick with their word. So
That end up going good. And with the jewelry store, you know, they're a little bit more smarter. It's not like, um, minimum wage workers going to work on toys. The rest, some of them is our age. These is like grown people that they more hip to like what's going on and stuff. So they were asked for the ID. This one, we started getting asked for ID to ask for ID. I give him the ID and I give him my TD card and he'll swipe it. Boom.
He's just seeing if it's the ID is on the name and he swiped it to the numbers have to be perfectly because he doesn't really understand how it works.
so it's legit like any way like he could tell a card is fake
No, it's a real card. I know it's a real card, but it's not your real information. It's not my real information. It's running through the system. It's charging John Doe's credit cards. Right. Right. So that was good. So we were satisfied with that for the moment. You get what I'm saying? Did you start hitting the Diamond District?
It was stores by the Diamond District we hit. We didn't hit the Diamond District directly because they know. They're the ones that buying. I guess they was doing this before. You get what I'm saying? But our neighborhood, we didn't really know too much. But I guess people been coming to them with like selling gift cards and iPads.
We knew that they was buying stuff that we sell them, so we didn't really go to them to hit them, you get what I'm saying? Yeah, you don't want to burn your name up. Yeah, and it's just like, we figured they would know, like they would know as soon as we come in, because they kind of knew how we was getting the stuff. They knew we was using people's credit cards, so they hit to it, you get what I'm saying? They know we coming in, they have other people information, then they still get charged back and eat the payment later.
So it would be like little stores like around the city like like like little small businesses we'll go for we'll never go for like no no high and we try to stay away from that like and that was from the beginning that was my thing from the beginning like all the big name brand stores that people after like started going to and like getting this and this and even with the clothes and the big name Louie Gucci I try to stay away from all those stores like anything that's too much attention. The small mom and pop stores.
Mom and pops because they can afford it, right? You're a horrible person not because they can't afford it
Not cuz they couldn't afford it because they most like they most likely not gonna be as hip to it, right? They got more security in a big store. They got security worth the one in security goddess, but the mom and pop they can't they can't really afford security It's a messed up way of thinking you get what I'm saying But even at the time right we don't know about charge back. Yeah. Yeah, so in our head I
They're going to get paid. They get in the money. Yeah. Like, and we're not stealing it. We're not robbing them. Like, yeah, it's not our money. Like the person we seen as the victim, like whoever called it was like we didn't really see like the store like we like we like we found it helping them like like be happy that.
We giving you business kind of like we giving you money regardless even though it's somebody else's it's not ours but we giving you one like that's how he's looking at it first start out like so so what happened so so we got a little money no that wouldn't go with the jewelry we end up getting jewelry i'm keeping some so we so now we got our little jewelry we heading up sleeker stores now we getting nicer clothes we our clothes was decent we wasn't like bag looking
It was decent, but we just had like so much clothes, like so much, all the new Jordans that came out, all of this, all of this. And like quick, like I'm talking about like within a month spent. So, so now we got money, boom, we got getting our little money. So now I could start paying a girl now. So now I go to pay her, like every week I'm giving her $200.
$100 and it was okay. Cause like I said, even the money we was making then wasn't even too crazy, but she just happy. I know I'm poor girl. I know she was just happy because she's seen something like, like, all right now. All right. All right. Yeah. Got figuring it out. I believe in this. So we, so we got enough money to, um, to start paying her, started paying her like a hundred, 200 at a time and stuff like that.
So we doing our little thing. We still going on. Boop, boop, boop. We just finding like new, new places to try it out. Um, we going to like little restaurants and you know, like, like just, just playing around with it, like getting money, playing around, getting money, playing around. So the next step from that, um, I was in my house one day and no,
I was walking somewhere and I walked past the bank. And when I got to the bank, I looked at the ATM and I'm like, I had calls on me and I'm like, let me try to put it in the ATM. I'm just curious. Let me just put it in the ATM, ask for the PIN number. I'm guessing the PIN number. Didn't work. Ended up blocking the card. You think you're going to guess the PIN number? I don't know.
It's like a thousand or two way more than that drive out it 100,000 fucking guessing I guess is That was crazy, I don't know I don't know something was just fascinating like like I want the money out the car like the air electronics go selling them but like I like I want the money out the car like but I'm like
And then I started like Googling like, like, is it a way like in one of the tracks the track one track two or three, there's a show the pin number I'm trying to figure out how to find a pin number. Like, dang, there's no way there's no did don't come with the pin number. So it don't even come with the address. Like, like, that's a whole different kind of credit card you buy that come like with the address, stuff like that. I get into that later. But yeah, but
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she's looking right at it's like the keypad right there like she's right there or whatever. So I asked her I'm like I asked a girl that I was going through the talk to I'm like ask her if she could see the pin numbers and ask her if she interested in getting the pin numbers. For 200 bucks a week I'm not. Well she probably thinking like all right I could probably get some more money he thinking of something new. She doesn't know you. Yeah.
So she came back to me and she was just like, yeah, she could get the pin numbers and stuff like that. So I'm like, all right, this is how she's going to do it. So you mean the CVV number on the back? No, the pin number to the car. Oh, when they punch in the pin number, I thought you were talking about the CVV number. I was like, that's not going to work.
an ATM. No, no, no, no, I'm talking about the actual thing because remember I was at the ATM and I'm just trying to and then since that day I've been trying to like just find a way like even through the information if they could if I could find a pin number through some house right in this card on this box but I couldn't so I was so I came up with that idea so she came back to me she was just like yeah like she said she'll do it and I'm like all right that's what's up so I told her how to do it so I came up with a way I'm like um
Because she could, she could just swipe the cards, swipe the cards and write down pin numbers, but I'm not going to know which card does that pin number belong to. So I came up with an idea. I'm like, well you do one, two, if she does five a day, you know, she did number one, that's the number I got. Number two, that's the number, you know, right? I mean, or sometimes she gets them, sometimes she doesn't. But yeah, sometimes she get them, sometimes she doesn't.
Show me get pin numbers because some people they use credit. So they write they just swipe it and then another thing sometimes when she swipe. It doesn't pick up like track to like what should the main information that you need for the for the car to work like she could swipe it but it's with like you don't swipe it right. It's not going to catch certain tracks like it might not crash track one or my or it might not catch track to so
It could be a swipe. It could be a time she swiped and it doesn't catch nothing and she thinks she swiped it. She doesn't know. It doesn't tell you. It doesn't. There's not like a light that lights up and says, hey, you got all of them. Yeah. Like, like, it was a successful swipe or nothing. Yeah, that's stupid. The only thing it was, it was just a brick. It was just a little tiny green, green light on the box that says it's on and it just blinks. Like, like it blinks when you swipe the card, it blinks, but
How she's doing it, she can't really look down. Like you could just fill it. All right, that's the button. All right, that's the card. A fill of numbers is supposed to be this way.
Swipe it because they stand right in front of her. To this day, I don't know exactly how she was doing it, but how her workstation is set up is something in that nature. So I was just like, boom, that's what you're going to do. Since you swiped the card, you got the card in your hand, so you see the card. So I was like, remember the last four of the numbers?
and of that card and then remember the pin number and or just write it down somewhere act like you write in a receipt or something so when you swipe the card write down the last four numbers and if they got a pin for it write down a pin right next to that number so i know that pin goes goes goes to that card so when i go back and when i pull it up i look for that card number with the last four and i know all right this pin goes to that card right so
It was just a crazy out there. I'm like, I'm gonna just try it. See if she could do it. She could handle it. She's Asian, bro. She can do it. They're amazing. They're great mathematicians. Oh my gosh. Oh my good memories. That's crazy. I couldn't remember shit. I'd be like, you're lucky. I'm fucking able to swipe this thing. That's the crazy part. But like,
That was crazy. So I got the box back. She did it. I was happy as fuck. She was just like, Oh yeah, I got it. I was able to do it. I'm like, yeah. So I'm okay. She probably got a couple of them, probably four or five. I got the box back. She had like 15 cards were like pin numbers. I'm like, Oh, I'm just in my house shaking. I'm writing them. And I still got the, the no, no, no.
Let me say this part real quick. So remember, we was running around swiping the cards and stuff. We needed more cards. So what I end up doing, I told you I have a TD bank card. I end up reporting a loss and then I order a new one. And then like, it was stupid. Soon as I get it, I reported loss and order a new one. So I had like 20 TD cards with my name on it.
and it was crazy like they don't care they just keep sending you a new one but i had a bunch of td cards like with my name on it this way like if i was to ever get pulled over it would still look crazy like but i don't know it worked in store had my name on it that i didn't know how to print cards up at the time you get what i'm saying so this was my idea like or just order prepay cards and
That come with your name in the mail, just doing that, getting as much, trying to make it look like different colors. So it's not all just green cards in my pocket. So that was another thing. So I'm sitting there, I'm reading, I'm writing the cards. I'm happy as fuck. I got the pen. I'm just thinking about running to the ATM and just pulling out all the money off this card. What is an ATM? How much do they give you?
It depends. Some banks, it's different credit, different ATM limits. Well, Fargo, they would have the ATM limit. But if you had it for this long, your ATM limit might be longer than somebody who had it for only six months. Or if you just got the car, your ATM might be 500, his might be 1,000, his might be 1,500.
It's different. It's different. Or somebody could just have an increase. They could call up and say, hey, I want to increase my ATM limit for this month or for this year. So you just never know. You never know. And there's some weird cards. Because, mind you, a lot of these, I ended up finding out, they foreign cards. They're not Bank of America. They like cards from people coming from China. Because the store she was working at wasn't Prado.
rainbow like it wasn't a common like us stores like like it was like a weird store i think it was it was i don't even i don't even know but it was high end the high end store right like this is like people have money that are coming here they sell oakly shave they sell like like like yeah like like they like like they sell brand stuff that's
been passed down like G stars or they'll get some stuff from from certain like high-end stores and they're kind of like an outlet thing like yeah, it's brand names. It's brand names, but it's like it's the stuff that didn't sell but it's still brand name. It's got a discount brand right, but it wasn't like a commercial store. It was like a store like they only had like
for them and it was all on the same street like it was weird like they had these just send me to different stores and it was only for them like in the world like it's only for them and they all like and so it wasn't like a commercial place so a lot of foreigners I don't know attracted like a lot of tourists and stuff like so so so so yeah so so the car so a lot of the cars like like like
They would, they was, they was foreign. So who knows if they even have an ATM limit set on a cause some, some people cause this low risk. Some people cause this high risk, which, which, which mean like, like certain banks, like, like they will, they will have ATM limits and, and certain banks, like,
that you probably never heard of. They don't even know about it. Like they don't care for ATM limits. They don't want to put ATM limits on it. So what happened? So I print the cards up. I've run to the ATM. The closest ATM to me I could find. I started with the little ATM. You know the little ATM that be like in a store and it just say ATM. It's not a bank or nothing. I go to that. Another mom and pop guy that put it in there.
I just run to the close. I was the closest one to me. It was like in a corner store. That was the closest ATM. I'm thirsty. I'll take a cab, run to the store, boom, put the ATM, put the pen in, heart beating, put $200. Money come out, boom, receipt come out. Oh wow, 10,000, 13,000, whatever it was on that first receipt. It was
It was a good amount. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm rich. I'm like, Holy shit. It tells you what their balance with the balance is. You know, we make a riff drawer and then they print out the receipt. How much you took out, how much is left? So I'm like, Oh shit, I'm rich. So my heart beeping money coming out. I'll put it in again. Another 200. I'm like, Oh, I'm gonna just stay here all day until I clean this machine, put it in again. You're a small business owners nightmare. What?
They hated me when I came in it and they started getting suspicious like it was it was it was crazy but good thing I stopped like I found out quick like this is not it so so boom so I'm withdrawing so on a third one it's a decline and I'm thinking like how did the car like it got all this money on it it's the client only third card or do you keep putting the same car oh yeah then you hit the limit right
It's it come up as fraudulent activity. Oh, well, you just hit up two for like three times in a row for 200 bucks. Yeah, something's wrong. Yeah, this dude knew he wanted $600. Why not go to your bank ATM and take out how much you need or why not get the 400 bucks? Wait two days or wait a day. Go back to another ATM. Boom. I know. I know. Right. I didn't know nothing about banks. I didn't know about ATM limits. I didn't try the next card.
400 bucks and then waited two days or waited a day like people don't you know, rich people don't check their balances every single day.
It's before like a lot of the app stuff notifications. A lot of this wasn't around at the time. Yeah, they don't know for 30 days. So a lot of them is tourists. Right. So like I said, they bank statements probably back in China or Japan, Canada, wherever they came from. So not American. Doesn't matter. They don't live in hotels. Fair game. Fair game. So I thought I was doing something wrong, you know, so
I'll start acting like you feel bad now. No, no, no. I didn't feel bad. I'm happy, but I'm mad because I see all of this money. And you just made 800 bucks. And you're not paying this poor chick a dime. Poor chick. She's over there and you're like, hey, nice job, Lucy. There's an extra 50. And I got a McDonald's hamburger for you because we've been killing McDonald's with these
No. So what else? So what happened? So I go back home. I'm like, nah, like, like, it's, it's no way like I'm bad. Like, I'm probably think I gotta wait. I'm not angry. But like, like, I don't know, you know, there's 10,000. Yeah, like, like, like, like, yeah, yeah, I know. I know it's there. So so it's weird. It's like, I got the money, I got the pin number. And I'm thinking, like, that's all I needed. Like, Ron's not working. So
so i'm thinking i'm doing something wrong so i'm like yo what if i hit the big banks like what if i go to chase and go to they atm because that's the real bank or i go to bank of america and use they why am i using this little tiny atm where i could only check out 200 i could take out 500 because that was the atm limit like on a small one you only could take out 200 max so i'm gonna go to the big atm i can take out however much i want i can take out more money so
I take a couple of fresh cards. I take the old one with me the next day. Go to the big one. Try the old ones from before just to know just to make sure before I toss it didn't work. The client. One of them work. I mean number one of them work.
I'm thinking that the other two cards is good. I'm still good. All I got to do is just come to a big ATM. That was the problem. So I remember Chase,
My sister had a chase or something and I asked her like how much like like like what's the max withdrawal you could take out she was like um she's at like a thousand fifteen hundred fifteen hundred or something like that but you only could take out 500 at a time that's how that's how she do it you could probably take out the whole 15 but that was the case so I put 500 no boom anything more than 500 they asked for the zip code I remember that's what they were asking for for chase
If you put withdraw amount, anything over 500, they actually type in your zip code. I don't got to, I don't got the zip code. So I was doing 500. So I put 500 and I got it.
I did it again and decline and I'm still trying to figure it out like rise keep declining. Oh, well take out the next call 500 500 to the decline all of them keep declining I'm only getting but so much but I'm looking at all of the receipts and this I see balances some 8,000 4,000 10 20 50 I'm going like I'm I'm getting pissed off. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, alright, this is not working.
So, boom, I go to the girl, boom, give her her money, her weekly money, boom, boom, boom. Thank you. I need more cards. And from now on, I need you to check their IDs to get the zip, their zip code. You know, she can do it. I should have. Lucy, Lucy's like that. I should have. I should have. It's your magic. You're like, hey, it's an extra 50. That gets you up to three hundred dollars a week.
I just thought I was just doing something wrong at the time. So I started brainstorming again and I came up with an idea. I went to the post office before and
I got money orders, because if I got the pen, I could buy electronics, I could go to the store and just pay, but I could just do that with credit. So it didn't make no sense. So I'm like, what can I get money? I'm like, the post office, the post office. Oh, and I remember at the time, my one of my boys was doing the check shit with the check, like dropping checks on people accounts and stuff, end up learning about that later. So I would just back and forth with the tool. But
but when he used to drop the checks on people accounts and stuff like that and then in the morning when it clears before the bank knows it's a bounce check he used to go to the ATM take out the limit and then he used to go to the post office and get money orders and stuff and i'm like okay like i end up finding out like like that's how people cash out that's how people get to get money you get what i'm saying so i was just like oh i can go to the post office because
They get in the pen in a debit card from people. That's how I'm looking at it. They get in the pen in a debit card. I know it's a debit card because they type in a pen and if it's just credit, she wouldn't have the pen. So I'm gonna go to the post office. So I tried to cook it up. Got the box back from her obviously cooked it up. Went to the post office.
um can i get i think i started low like an idiot can i get a five hundred dollar money order um yeah all right swiped your car swiped it put the pin number in and there's always a machine like it's a print the um the purple the purple number on the machine and they used to like put the money order in the machine or print and i just fell in love with that noise that came up
And I'm like, oh, OK, I'm not happy. I can get this from the ATM. I said, you know what? I needed two. She's like, you need two? I'm like, yeah, if you remember, I told you I needed two. I don't know if I forgot. I start acting like I'm on the phone. So I look like I'm doing more than once. For some reason, I used to always use this tactic. I get on the phone and act like I'm distracted.
Just weird like I just felt like criminals like like they'll be sitting there like and just like just looking so I I try to act normal I feel like being on the phone with just normal like I'm just here just getting post office I'm on the phone chilling because I didn't know if I looked I didn't know if I looked at nervous right um so that was just one way I avoided looking at them making eye contact to be on the phone talking so I asked for another one boom another one goes through printing up printing up printing up
And I'm like, can I get another one? That doesn't look suspicious. Yeah. She looked up at me. She said, like, like it was, it was weird. She was just like, like, no, like she gave me one of them looked like something's wrong. Yeah. So she gave me, she put it like in the, in the, in the envelope, little post office envelope. And she just slid it to me, slid the receipt. She was just like, next, but I'm happy as fuck. I'll take it.
Fuck it. I know it's another post office. Um down the street Get on the phone call a cab Go to the next post office Same card. Can I get a money order? Can I get a thousand same car? Approve Oh my god, so i'm going crazy, but it's still limits. It's still spending limits on cars ATM limits you got spending limits. So i'm still not hitting
The whole balance, I'm not clearing them. For some reason, I'm thinking about just cleaning them. Zero dollars and I'm satisfied. $7,000-$8,000 in some of these accounts. I can't leave money on the table. I only made $5,000 today. I can't live on that. Oh boy. So yeah, I did that boom. It was working. So then I just started going in with like with the other cars, that decline boom, like after a while decline.
I got the thousand then it declined after I asked for 500 after I set the thousand it declined boom. So pulled out the next card.
went to another place, went to another place, pulled out the next card, try out there, boom, can I get $1,500. Now I'm just straight going for $1,500. $1,500. Every time when I do two transactions for $1,500, $1,500, $3,000, it used to decline for some reason. For some reason, probably too much of the same number, the same transaction, something, something keeps flagging the card after $3,000. So I'm happy with that. I'm like $3,000 a card.
fuck it like now i'm in business this is what i'm doing i'm getting these cards i still got the regular credit cards to go in stores to do this to play around but this is how i'm gonna do it two transactions fifteen hundred dollars had it down pat so i went home told my friend about it because now i need help because now i got a bunch of cards with pit numbers
They my best friends. I don't know nobody else. So I'm like, listen, I got some, I found something out. Listen, this is what we're going to do. Gave them like three cars, pin numbers each, cook they cards up and we just went out. Like we go out together and we just split up or we, some days we'll be together and we just all day money orders coming back. I remember coming back. I had these cargo CG star cargo pants, one pocket full of money orders.
This pocket for the money, this pocket, this pocket, this pocket. It was, it was crazy. So what are you doing with these? You're depositing them in your bank account? No, so after I get them, so I would do 500, 500, 500. But before I was doing a thousand, a thousand is the most you could put on one US
Um money order that's the max so you can still pay for all of them in one transaction But you could divide them how much ever much you want. So At first I was doing a thousand a thousand thousand. Oh No, yeah thousand thousand Sometimes I split the last like it was different. No a thousand a thousand five hundred five hundred That's how I used to split up thousand thousand because it was five hundred to every thousand so
I used to go to the post office and cash them. Like you can go to the post office and just cash them. And it got the tool and a from. I put like whoever gave it to me, boom. And I'm putting my name. I didn't have no ID.
Well, I mean, they don't, you would think that the credit card companies would say, Hey, he bought three or $4,000 worth of money orders. Let's track the money orders. But the truth is they just write it off. They don't have time to track it down. They're never going to get the money. They just write it off. They probably think it's fake. Anyway, who use their real name to cash your money. But they don't get that far. Like they typically don't, they typically don't investigate in anything that's under $10,000. Okay. You know, so, so you're the idea that different people,
Well, and you know, I have my buddy Zach. I mean, I've met a bunch of guys in prison that would get do the same thing the post office thing where they go to the post office and I used to always say like that's stupid like they'll just track it and they'd be like, yeah, but they don't like the whole thing is this to me like I'm not gonna use my name. I'll use a fake ID a fake this way. They'd be like I deposit them in my own bank account. Now Zach actually had somebody open up a corporate account and he would deposit in the corporate account but
typically, but he also had deposited tons of them in his own bank account, his wife's bank account, friend's bank account. They never once ever went back to his bank or showed up and said, hey, this was bought using a fraudulent credit card because once you buy that,
That is a thousand dollars. It's done. Doesn't matter if they can track it doesn't matter for some reason. They just don't follow up on it. They can't cancel it even if they find out I didn't have money on a sitting because it's it's cash like it's actually it's actually a monetary a US government monetary.
document or whatever you want to call it note and so they they leave like they just can't they could to me they could track it back and be like hey here's the bank let's go investigate okay who did it they could but they don't like why they don't that to me is so stupid but they just don't i've never met one guy that's done something similar to this with those that they ever track them down it doesn't even make sense it's like you don't even give a shit
Like, I mean, don't you want to catch these guys? Like you keep talking about it. Keep saying, oh, we got to stop fraud. Well, maybe look into these postal money owners. And allegedly from the post office. Yes, as good as gold. It was the amount we took altogether. It's crazy. I don't even want to estimate the amount like on camera, but it was crazy. Like altogether, like how long we run it off. It was crazy. Like I'm talking about we coming back with pockets.
Everything for till we had to start carrying book bags because it's just like crazy in our pocket. Book bags full of cash. It got crazy. Like crazy. Like coming home, 10,000 money orders, 20,000 money orders and money orders. Yeah. So it was, it was, it was, it was a ride. So how long did this, this lasted until the girl quit her job and said,
I got a better paying job. It pays me an extra $300 a week. So this house younger quit. So we doing all of that. I'm telling you the money we make it. I'm still bringing her the same bullshit. I'm still bringing her the same bullshit. I swear I could at least gave this girl $1,000. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest way. It wouldn't affect me even $5,000 a week. And she would have I don't know what
I was 19. That's all I could say. I don't know what I was thinking. If I didn't understand business and how it worked, how to keep something going, it would have been different at the time.
I was just greedy. I'd never seen any money like this ever. I thought I'd cheat in life. I'm like, this is going to be my life forever. I'm going to do this forever. I'm going to just keep doing this until I get a million dollar house. 19. This is a 19 year old. I'm going to get a car. I'm going to get married and I'm going to just do this forever.
This is what my mom said at the time. I didn't care if I was blowing through money. I was running through the money. I was just burning. So what happened with her? What happened? So we're doing that on and on, doing the money orders. How did this go on? This goes on for like a year. I go drop off the box one day and she tell me, I don't want to take it.
And I'm like, like what happened? She was just like, um, I quit my job. Like I quit. I don't want to work no more. And I was just like, fuck.
She was just like, I don't know. I don't know. But I'm chilling right now. I could just tell she was just avoiding it. I ended up finding out she didn't quit. She was working there still a little bit more longer, but that was her excuse. That's why she was just hesitant about everything. Like, oh, I don't want to do this no more. Something spooked her. Yeah, something, something.
She ain't want to do it. But I felt like it was the money because she kept asking for more. I'm like, oh, that's all I got. I remember she used to ask me like, oh, like, like, oh, I'm giving you this card, you getting pin numbers. She probably thinking like, I'm going just to the ATM. So like, in her mind, she think I'm giving you all these pin numbers, all these even if you go into the ATMs getting $200 on each card, like I know you get more than this. She don't know I'm with my friends. She just think this all for me. So her mind, she she's just like, it's not adding up.
I guess that's why she ended up not doing it, which I regret. I regret. Oh man, if I can go back in time. Poor Lucy. I regret it to this day. But that happened. That's when I brought my first car for them. I brought an Affinity, a G35 at the time. I had bad credit, so I went in a Maserati when I first went there.
And he was just like, Oh, you're going to have to put half of it down. I'm like, I don't want to put half of it down, but I can't put this much like your credit credit. He was like, listen, just take this G 35. And once you make a couple of payments on this, just bring it back and then we can put you in the Maserati. So I don't know. It was just like the most.
nicest car he had in that lot. And how he caught us, he was like, I remember we were just driving one day, oh, it's a sign that said $500 down, you can get a car. I don't know anything, anything, no knowledge about buying cars. And after I just see $500 down to buy a car, you make payments, it sounded good. So I went there, I acquired about a BMW, I seen that first in the front.
Um, and I couldn't get that credit. I'm young. I don't got no credit. I acquired about the Maserati after he stuck me with the affinity. So he just wanted to put me in a car and just push me out of there. So I'm like, I took the affinity. I'm like, cool. I'm like, I'm gonna make a bunch of payments. Don't worry about it. I'm gonna finish paying this car off like
In a couple of months, I'm coming back for that Maserati. By the time I come back with this car, I might not even have payments. So you don't got to worry. I might bring this car back, pay the full and grab the Maserati. So the day I got my car, the day after I went to get for the, I was going to pick it up. And when she gave it to me, that's when she told me like, yeah, I'm quitting and stuff like that. The first thing I thought about, I just burned through most of this money already. And
You took him out, you quit. And I just like, in my head, I didn't tell him, but I'm like, I just bought a car. Like you can't quit now. I got payments. I want a Maserati. You go to fire somebody. They're like, I just bought a house. My wife, my wife is pregnant. What do you can't do this to me? I was just bought a car. I just brought it. I just like not even a week. I had this car and you telling me this immediately. I just, I had just went to the car like bang. I was thinking about the payments. Like,
It was stupid. It was stupid. So what happened? You got to just got to go get a job. You go get a job. I'll work at job making fucking shit money. If I'm making an extra, you know, $40,000 a week, you know, I'll go get a job working at and I'll go find a good job. I'll be like,
Of course, I mean, now, but at that time, I'm like, I got this going on. I don't know. In my head, I was just thinking, I don't have to work for the rest of my life. Like I like I like I cheated life in my head. I know. But like, you know, it's sometimes you got to put in a little effort and fraud, you know, I mean, it didn't work out. Yeah, we got the car payments coming up. We got to get back in there. Right. You know, so we got to go get a job like,
Somebody does one of these one of you or one of your buddies one of your buddy. Yeah for the car. Oh, yeah No, not to fucking go legit. Nobody's going legit at this point. No, we don't go legit till we go to prison It's not 200 miles straight into the fucking wall, bro. No, right, right. Oh
Somebody we got to everybody's got to start putting in a application. Somebody needs a cashier job at a decent place where they're not a bunch of knuckleheads buying hamburgers. I need people that are buying real shit people to come in here that have money, right?
I need a bunch of older white, white women that come in here, you know, that look like they're driving BMWs and that's where we need her card. Yes, ma'am. I got it. Okay. No, I there's something wrong. It's not going through. Can I have your card real quick? Thank you. Boom.
Hit the button on the cap go straight through there you go. Thank you. Right mrs. Johnson Couple of weeks later. You're gonna see some crazy Transactions pop up you get the job you work there for two months And then you quit the job and then you get another job because what you don't want to do is for some you don't want some do-gooder fraud guy in the fraud department to put this together and you know what we got a bunch of fraud that's happening and
And we're running it through LexisNexis and there's other fraud going through.
And all of these cards are going this fraud is going through at this location like it takes six months to a year for them to figure that out. Oh, you did it for 60 days quit that job go get another job and I can get another job. Why because I have experience. Yeah, I was just working at Louis Vuitton. Yeah, you know, so you going y'all right. I currently work at Louis but be honest with you. I just not happy there. You go get another job, you know, then you do that for three or four months and you quit that job and you go and at the whole time you and your buddies are out at night.
Hey, can I get $1,500 in money orders? You know, you're doing that on the I mean, granted, you're gonna be you're gonna be working 80 hours round the clock, but it's worth it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie to this day. I never I haven't met or seen anybody that was getting the pin numbers the way I was like how people do it. I hear now it's like, you know, the gas stations like they
They got the keypad so they can tell what numbers you're pressing, but like with a black box, all the stories I hear like, oh, I gave it to somebody like in a drive through, they swipe cars and we just go swipe and it's credit. I never, and I was always interested. Like I wonder if I've run in or cause I watch, this is what I like. I watch podcasts about like fraud all the time. So.
I was just trying to look, I haven't seen, I haven't heard about it. So what happened since then? So I got the black box, you know, it was just a couple left. We ran up a couple of cars that was on there. I told my friends at the time that they're gonna find out now. But like I said, we no longer friends right now. But it was a couple of cars left. I just told them like, yeah, she just held it and she ain't
She ain't do nothing with it. So I had a couple of cars left, but I had to figure out what I was going to do. You get what I'm saying? So I kept that one to myself. Like, all right, this money, whatever I make off this, this is where I got to figure out what I got to do. So the whole pin thing was cool, but like I said, it didn't last long. So now I got to get money, how we was getting it before. Now I just got to buy stuff and now I got to work.
Before I wasn't working, it was just handed to me. Now I gotta go out there and now I gotta work for the money. It was annoying. I think T or Wiz have to go get a fucking job. That's what I think. Somebody needs to start flirting with some cashiers. I gotta flirt with some cashiers. I gotta get in good with one of these chicks. That's what ended up happening.
So you know at the time I'm making money you get what I'm saying I wasn't too like before this whole credit card thing I wasn't like you know like really outside I wasn't like really talking to females that much but like since this thing happening you know I'm posting nice pictures now so I'm attracting people now so so around this time you know I got
A couple of wasn't too much at this time was a couple of females that I'm talking to head and the case may be so, you know, I start asking around like, oh, you know, somebody working a job, you know, get the word. I'm telling my friends don't try to get somebody who will work on a job and we just went running. So it wasn't long.
It was quick like we like yo, we paying this much We know what to do with the cards ready. This is how much we paying now Just tell them just tell them a thousand suddenly giving them a thousand a week swipe cards It was never really old you you get this much for this card. No, we wasn't doing it We just like yo, we giving you this much flat rate. We flat rating people you getting this much for For whatever you do for today, whatever the case may be which was stupid cuz it's just like horrible Yes, the girl could give you a thing with she could dig it
Right. And it's 20 if you got the pen and I'll take it. By the way, if the pen doesn't work, like you just think I'll get cute and make it up. Well, then next week when you give me the 50, I deduct the 20. I deduct if the card didn't work. Right. But yeah, like I said, like I wasn't thinking too much in the business. Like I thought it would have been a great idea. If I told them that, they'd be like, all right, so now they determined to swipe
Every card, they're not just there. I know I got to do this until he's satisfied and he's going to give me the same price, no matter how much I get. But for some reason, they was doing good. Without the disparate card, they was doing wonderful still. Thank God. I don't know what type of feedback I was dealing with at the time, but they was doing good. I remember I had one in Starbucks. It's like a million of them in New York City, millions of them.
So I gave it to her, boom, I remember I had one girl working at Starbucks, getting a couple of cards. So, you know, we just rolling out, we rolling, we working. And we now I got a car. That's another thing. Now I got a car. So now I can move around a little farther, I can stretch my arms a little farther. So
My friends, they end up getting like they rent tools. I get my car. I'm giving them their cars. And mind you, I'm just doing this off the wrist. Like I'm just doing this. Y'all my boys. I'm just going to always throw y'all cars. I'm always making sure y'all, y'all okay. You get what I'm saying? Just the type of person I was. Like I said, I don't, it's not like I'm with this set of friends this day and that set of friends.
24 hours the stony people out there with so it was just like that, you know, it's boring you making money by yourself Like like it's whack. Do you want to go out? You gotta always pay for everybody. Let me just make sure y'all straight So you get what I'm saying? So even if we go out and have fun, we can all have fun together. We can all chip in together It's just not me all the time. So so we so we doing that we hitting more stores and stuff like that and then I'll be number one day
I went to the Diamond District, we was bringing them iPads and stuff, bringing them iPads, iPhones, and he was just like, oh, you can't get gift cards? And I'm like, what kind of gift card? He's like, any gift card you get is good. This, I'm going to pay you this amount. Like if you get a high end one, like Louis Vuitton gift card or like Target, I give you like 80%, 85, 70 for certain stores. Like he had a list on his wall.
this with the store name and the percentage he's given for the for the gift cards. So at around this time too, it was
For some, it was just weird. It was just like an epidemic of scamming in Brooklyn around this time. Like little people started finding out about it and it started becoming a little bit more of a thing. Not where everybody ended up doing it, like to the point that it got to, but it started becoming more of a thing. So now other people talking. Now I'm hearing what this person doing, what that person doing.
All right, so boom. So he said he wanted gift cards. All right, cool. Get in a box, get in the gift cards. I brought him high end gift cards at first. He took them. It was okay, cashed me out.
brought them, brought them, brought them the gift cards. And I remember it was a time he, no, it was a time we couldn't get the gift cards no more. Like, they started becoming harder to get because now when we going in the stores, like, soon as they see us walking to the gift cards out, they listen, we know what you're doing, or we put gift cards on cashier, listen, we know we're doing somebody just came in,
just a couple of minutes or yesterday. It might be you. Did you come in here yesterday? I remember you. You were saying yesterday doing this. Like I said, now it was starting to become a kind of a thing in Brooklyn. So it was great. So
You got to go to Manhattan. You got to go to New Jersey. That's where everybody going. You got to start going to that's where everybody go because the closest fly into go to Dallas, go to Houston, go to some places, you know, if I have to jump on a plane for a day, I'll rent a hotel like I mean, you know, right, we got to make keep this thing going. Right. But
But I was just going to say it's funny because every time you say, man, you got to do this. And then you say, well, yeah, that's what we're talking to do. Yeah. I mean, like, like, like, like, it got there eventually. But I was making money at the time. Like, like, if it was ever a thing, like where I couldn't make money here or like, it wasn't like, it was just becoming more difficult. It was just becoming a little bit more difficult at this job. Yeah. Yeah.
It wasn't just walk in, just get it, leave how I used to be. Maybe I might get it from here. Maybe I might get it from here. So one day I'm talking to him and no one day before I started talking to him, I went in a fast food place before and I was just getting food, just getting food and I seen a kid. He was in front of me and
He's buying food, but then he it was Chipotle. He's buying food, but he also go to the gift card, right? And he's buying Chipotle gift cards Again, he getting food gift cards. What's he what what what can he be doing with this? You get what I'm saying? Some people use them for gifts. Yeah, but he's getting a lot. Yeah, okay He's bringing them up
I mean, from where I'm from, at the time, it's just like, oh yeah, I know. I'm looking at him, yeah, Dior, Givenchy, yeah, I know, yeah. You could tell. Like, when we run into each other, we could tell, like, oh yeah, you know, you know what's going on. Yeah, like, it's really like that. I swear to God, anybody watching this, they would...
they'll be like yeah like you just know like like yeah you you know what's going on so what happened so boom so he's getting a bunch of gift cards i'm watching them i'm watching them and it's and it's just laid in my mind i'm like okay that's interesting i wonder who's who's buying those gift cards from him because that's easy fast food that's
That's easy. Like, you know what I'm saying? You're not dodging, lost prevention, LP in a store. You're not worrying about if they got cops sitting in a camera room. It's fast. It's like, I like zero risks. Like, I go for zero risks. Nobody at Panera is gonna come fucking jump over. There's not a SWAT team waiting in the back of Panera. That's what we want.
That was another spot for me. Panera. All right, so boom. So I see what he did. I go to my person, boom, dropping off my regular Alpads and stuff. It's getting harder. It's getting less and less and less. I'm like, yeah, they're getting harder to get. He's like, yeah, so much people coming and dropping off the Alpads. Jewish guys, all these guys is Jews, like straight Jews. I end up- I pictured the Jewish guy, like the Hasidic one with the curls. Yeah, exactly.
With the white button off, black pants, shoes, black shoes on. Yes, yes. Oh, yes, it's very bad. They cropped. They is criminal. Very bad. That's Indian. Sorry. That's what I knew. Like, all right, this when I first went to the restaurant, like, like, all right, this world is bigger than what I thought it was. Like, like, like,
Like, I don't know, like, I just had a whole agenda, like, like, and I really be like, this is how y'all making your money, like, I probably use any shops, money laundering, I started thinking crazy, because it's just like, it was crazy. It was just like, back in the day, I wouldn't think y'all y'all type of people would deal with us. You get what I'm saying? But
But now I'm seeing how things work. You know what I'm saying? I'm dealing with y'all. Y'all paying me. Y'all know something is funny. Like y'all know, we never really talked about like, yeah, I'm taking credit cards. And I'm, you know, I'm the stuff I'm bringing from credit card. It's like, they know, like, they know, of course, they know, you're bringing me first, I did it. But after I kept going, it's just like,
It's plausible deniability. They don't, you don't talk about it because of that way. If I ever get questioned, I can be like, what are you talking? What are you talking about? Nice guy. They used to bring me the cards at a discount. What do you mean? They was buying them with fake credit. No, I don't know. I take the cards. I put them on their website. I don't know. I thought he was a, I thought he had an in right now. Yeah, he's, that's how he was going. So I'm dropping off my stuff to him.
And I talked to him, I'm like, you take fast food gift cards? He was like, yeah, but I only could do 50% on those like, like why you can't get the regular gift cards? I'm like, no, I'm just asking. It was hard for me to get at the time, but I ain't want to like, disturb him or something. So I'm like, I'm like, no, I'm just asking. So I'm like, if I bring you them, you go take them. Like, yeah, I'll take them. No, it was 60% at first. I ended up going down to 50 when I started going somewhere else. But I'm like, okay, cool. So
left boom. So I started trying it out. I'm going to McDonald's. Going to McDonald's trying I'm trying to cars boop, boop, boop. And mind you at this time, I'm still using the cars. That's why I want to get too deep in a conversation because I'm still using the cars with my name on it. Like like my personal cars. I didn't know about the the making cars like with the same numbers of who cars it was. That that come later. But um,
I'm running around now fast food restaurant McDonald's Starbucks, I hop Applebee's like I need any fast food Boston Market was another big one. So I'm going I'm getting a fast food. So so I'm killing it. I'm killing I'm driving from
from New York to damn near Connecticut like like all the surrounding states just fast like and there's so much fast food it's fast foods everywhere so I'm just on Google Maps next stop look up the fast food I'm marking them right I'm gonna start up and I'm just gonna keep driving to here but I'm gonna hit everyone and I'm gonna remember everyone and I'm gonna go in a pattern so I don't miss not one fast food just type it all y'all do is type in fast food and all the fast food so I'm just going
One, one, easy, easy, two hair, two hair, three hair, not trying to cause too much suspicion. I'm coming back with
three, four thousand on a calm day. If it's a good day, I'm out all day. It was like, it was worth it. Like the 50% that I thought it was bad. It was just like, it's so easy to get these. So I was doing that for a while. I was doing that for a while. That was one of the ways I'm still doing my little things here and there. When I get a can, if I drive by a CBS, pick up a vanilla car sometimes.
You get what I'm saying like, but that was my bread and butter. So if you're getting $3,000 a day, five days a week, that's $15,000, half that's $7,500. That's $7,500. That's $30,000 a month. Plus all the salad shit I'm doing still. So it was good. Right. It was good. That's what I'm saying. And it was easy. Like I like, I don't like running from... That's almost $400,000 a year just on fast food. I swear to God.
I swear to God, he's got like a website. He's got to have a website or something. Yeah. He basically have a website. So basically it's where like, like he owned a jewelry store downstairs. Then we go upstairs and he had like, I remember he had this big giant safe. He used to always open up and there would just be stacks of cars, stacks, stacks. Like it was, it was crazy.
It's to the point every number one time he would tell me like yo slow down on Starbucks or slow down on these ones or slow down on these ones because I can't I'm not selling them like that you get what I'm saying then like even how that ended like it came to a point like he was just like all right the fast food like after a couple of months he was just like all right the fast food is
Yeah, like you could stop like I got enough here to last me probably for the rest of this year like like it's ringing too much. It makes sense. And then what ended up happening I guess.
I don't
If they don't show up or I don't, I don't want to make you run away from me. I want to still do business with you. So I'm going to still pay you, but I'm going to just give you probably like 25%. Like, like when you come, just so you can make up the ones that's dead. Right. So I was doing that like for a while, didn't last long, like a couple of weeks and everything was just dying all of a sudden, not everything, but like a lot of stuff, like a lot of cars was just dying. I'm like, yo, you sure you like, like, and it's,
It's no way I could really know. I'm just taking his word for it at the time. I'm like, I'm like, all right, if that every time I bring him something, he would tell me to last bash that down before that. And it was just like, I'm done with this. Get I'm saying I'm going back to what I know, and stuff like that. So I remember one of my boys came to my house one time, right? He also was dealing with the credit card stuff. So he came to my house. And at this time, I was like, like,
I figured out how to make the cards with the printer. It was like this big printer, bigger than a usual printer, and they use it to print IDs.
Right. But this printer. This is the Fargo. Is it a Fargo one? I mean, they have different ones. I just know this. The Fargo one is one of them. But the one I had exactly, it was like some aftermarket Chinese one. Like it was more of a cheaper one. Like that was the first one I figured out about that I could get some of them. You got to go through like businesses and you got to have certain qualifications. The Fargo was a good one. I remember I was like one of them cheap dudes like, yeah, I got money. I don't want to
I don't want the Fargo and I felt like if this could do the job and if I could stay away from the Fargo, then I'd do it, which it did, it did the job. So they got a bunch of RD makers, so much, over 100, 200 different ones. But I bought an RD maker, started learning from the internet because I didn't have too much people around me.
Telling me like you do this do that. I didn't really learn how to do this So I'm just figuring it out testing printing stuff seeing how they come out Messing up figure it out So I basically figured out I figure out how to make the face how to put like the the bank face on a car Got that down pack and then it was something else called the
It's called the emboser. It's like a big emboser. So it's just what it is. It's just like a big wheel. It's like a machine with a big handle on it. And it got like numbers, letters, characters on it, upper case, lower case. And that's just to embold the car.
Indent the numbers from under the cards basically lift this lifting the plastic up to put the numbers in So it's like this little tray you slide it in boom put it in Punch in the name punch in a name your name usually all capitals use the capital letters punch in a name then they got the expiration date slide the card over and this it's like practice because it's not like a grid like you got to align it on a
on a little tray and slide it in and hope and just hope like where the number is being punched is where it's supposed to be on the card but at the time and time practice like you figure it out like you figure it out all right I'm supposed to push it in this much or I'm supposed to move the card this much to type right here on the card if I want the numbers right here this way I got to move the card such and such put the expiration date card number
and the name at the bottom. Figured that out and I was okay. So I got the emboser, the ID maker, found out one of my boys, he was making IDs for his check thing. So he gave me the software to make the ID. So I was making IDs. I was making a bank face. I was good. I had all that. The only thing I was missing was a tipper. That just like just to make the numbers you pushed up. Instead of being the color of the card that it is already, it would be like a gold
Like the numbers would be gold or silver and stuff like that. Then I got the hologram. Like it goes deep. You call it a hologram. They like the little stickers, but I really like the stickers too much. But sometimes I even need to stick us. They, they not really, I'm not, like I said, like when you go in and high end stores and stuff, are you trying to really the stuff I was doing at the time? I ain't really need too much. So I put the sticker on it. Boom.
It was okay. And then it was like the UV thing. I didn't get that. It was like the UV thing for the card where they put it under the light. It's supposed to show like a like a hologram, like Visa or Master. I'm gonna get too far if I go into that. So so so basically got that down pack. So at the time, a few people from like around the way a couple of my friends I went to school with they started figuring and they started figuring out like like what we was doing.
so so they was coming to my house or whatever like not coming in my house but like coming to my house they would be like yo i want this car pressed up and i was just basically like they was paying me to like make their cars for them or whatever the case may be they'll come with their numbers and they trust me not to use like their numbers information i put it on their car give it to them and i was i was good at this time at this time too um i wasn't i wasn't dealing with the starbucks person i found out about the
the dark web. So once I found out about the dark web, I found out it was a site called Joker, Joker CC. It was like a great site, like one of the top sites at the time, like all the heavy scammers and stuff like that. Like you needed like an invitation to even get on a site. Like you just can't go on a dark web, go on the iron and just
Sign up and make an account a lot of most of the sites almost 99 percent of sites you can but for this site it was joker people know like if you You you know, if you know joker, you know joker joker stash They they got rated by the feds and everything. It was like a Bunch of Albanians some guys like they like they got rated. It was a big thing the website shot down They said he made over certain billion dollars and and that was it like I don't know he went missing
Um, I don't know what happened with his case, but he went missing out that he made a lot of money like when they when it was all said and done. But, um, so people was coming to my house. Like I said, I was getting my numbers on the dark web at the time. Um, found out about the dark web. So one day one of my boys, they come to my house and regular listen, I'm about to go to Miami or whatever the case may be. I need you to print print these cards up for me. So
I print the cards off of him, make the cards, give it to him, send them about his way. And what was it? He didn't pay me. He didn't pay me. He was like, I'm gonna pay you in cards. Like he gonna throw me a couple of card numbers if I do it for him. So I said, okay, made him his cards, gave it to him.
printed up my cards that he gave me just to see so I didn't touch I put my cards to the side I know they good printed up the cards he gave me went to go like test it out real quick like on a parking meter or something none of them is working not one not one and he know who he is too funny guy but oh my gosh but I was mad so I'm mad I go to the house this this is this is the highlight I go to my house
I'm mad as shit. I'm calling him. Yo, why none of these cars work? Oh, I don't know. I don't know, bro. They supposed to work. I'm like, okay, like, okay. All right. All right. All right. Cool. Hang up the phone. That's not his first time doing something funny. Like he a little sketchy guy. You always doing a little sketchy shit. Like, so
I go on a computer, I got the numbers, I just printed him. I still have them in my computer. So I'm like, all right, you want to play this, play these games? And he know I told him about this. Like, now, I'm like, you want to play these games? I'm gonna print all your cards that I just made for you. Because you got to wait till Miami to go use them. I could use them right now. So I'm like, I'm gonna get my money. I think I only printed like three, like he brought like six of them.
only printed like half of them. I'm like, I ain't gonna violate all the way. I'm gonna just take what I feel like I deserve, take my three cars and I'll be all right. So I take the three cars, I go out doing my fast food thing. I remember the first spot I hit, I went to the city, hit up a Starbucks, $700 gift card. And I'm like, you know what? As a matter of fact,
yeah yeah this is because you see this is before he dubbed it this is before like um remember when i said that that he stopped taking the food gift card this is like right before like like this is when it got bad this with the eye hop and stuff so so this probably lasted like about two three weeks so i'm going and i usually go with one card and i keep using that card to the decline so i so i
So I hit Starbucks boom go to the next Starbucks boom this time I'm just hitting just straight Starbucks Starbucks Starbucks Starbucks I'm hitting stores hitting stores hitting stores and by the time I got to the tenth store This card is still going Never happen. I never probably get past five stores with one card. So I paid no mind. I'm going I'm going I'm going I'm going I'm going
Still going, still going. And then now I know about the BIN number, the first six. If you start with a three, it's American Express. If you start with a six, it's a MasterCard. If you start with a five, it's a MasterCard. If you start with a four, it's a Visa. The first number, if you start with a six, it's a Discover.
So it started with a three. So I'm like ice American Express. So I know it's a credit card, but it's just going so I run through ten more stores It's going I'm going through the whole night. I didn't switch cars. It's just going going so to the point I just stopped I stopped using the card. I'm like, let me just see if these other car work I'm using the other cars. I'm going I'm going I'm going night force end of the day. I can't get no more go in the house and
And I'm just, I'm baffled. I'm like, wow. I'm like, yeah, these cars gonna be off by tomorrow. Go to the bump, boop, drop, called off, go back on the road. Same thing, hitting, hitting, hitting. Now I started a little earlier because I'm trying to see something. It's just going, going, going, going, going, going, going.
It's not declining. So I try to when I didn't use that they all American Express They all start with threes and for some reason they all got the same bin number They all start with the first six six digits. So they don't they all the same kind of car so So I see that I see the pattern. I'm like, okay, so I'm going going I'm using a third one now going it's working. It's working. It's working. It's working. It's working
I'm like, oh shit, end of the day, nothing decline, nothing decline. My mind is blown. I go so I'm like, all right, so now the next day, I pack a bag up. I'm like, I'm about to take this to the moon. I don't fully understand what's going on. Yeah, I'm like, I'm about to take this to the moon. So jump in my car, pack a little bag. I jump out. And my wife at the time, my wife now,
But my girlfriend, she was my girlfriend at the time. I remember we left out, I'm like, yo, listen, we about to go do something. Like, I'm about to go out, about to work. I got these cards that's, I don't know, that they freaking, they moving like black cards right now. I need to go fix something up real quick. So I go out, boo. And I'm just ripping. Start with Target ripping, iPads ripping, ripping. I'm trying to
Decline the card at this point just to see like like what can I max it to got two iPads ringed up gold got four iPads one place goes And I'm just working work in the car work in the car get a hotel for the night. Oh use the car That was nothing. I was a hotel Junkie like I was always in and out of hotels with the credit card. So I go in the hotel boom and
Next day, going again, going again, going again. These cars is just going, going, going, going. To this day, we still talk about this. This is great. So I called my friend called me. And I already know what he's calling me about the one that I made the call for. I know he called me about because by this time he had already got to Miami. He already doing this thing. He's like, yo, bro,
Yo, yo, yo, bro, those cars, you printed me up. He was like, so they're going crazy right now. And I'm like, I'm like, what the cars? And I'm like, which ones? And he was telling me like, like the last four are the ones. But he was like, Yeah, I tried, I tried all of them. But but these the ones I'm trapping with right now I'm working with right now. And
Those are the same ones I'm using. I'm like, what you got? He was like, yo, bro, I didn't got this. I didn't got that. I didn't got this. A whole bunch of shit like he's just going crazy. So he don't know I'm using them too. Right. So now I'm trying to put it together in my head. Mind you, we using the same car. Yeah, but he's in Miami and you're in New York, you would think that the car manufacturer or the card, the bank system would say, hey, these guys can't be in two different places at once.
Look, I don't know where these cars came from, but they changed our life. I wish he was here to like, all right, so boom. So he telling me he using, I'm like, Oh word. I'm like, okay, okay. All right. That's what's up. Like, like, like, like where my money I like, like, like negative cause you gave me wasn't working. He was like, yo bro, just take one of them and just use it.
I'm like, okay, I will hanged up. I'm already using three of them. So I'm using them. I'm working time going on. I'm working on the same car time going on working, working, working, working, working, working, working. So he ended up coming back from Miami. Um, we together we talking one day, he was like, Yo, bro, I'm about to go to Cali next. But he couldn't hold his tongue. He like, Yo, bro, I ain't gonna lie, like, these
These cars like, like, like, like, I don't know what the limit is, but they, they different, like they different. And I'm like, yeah, I see. So he ended up, so, so he ended up talking about it. I'm like, yeah, I've been using it too. It's the same thing. It's like, it don't decline. He's like, yeah, we talking about it. Boom. He go by his way. I go by my way. So he ended up going to one of, one of my other friends, he ended up getting a car too. So that was the three of us that ended up.
like, like knowing about this card. So now all three of us is using the card. I'll print up the rest just in case. And basically I took one card. I'm going, I'm going just to see boop, boop, boop. And the card finally declines. One day it declines. So I'm like, okay. So I spent, I'm adding the receipts up. I'm like, okay, okay. I spent about 10,000 on this card. So I'm guessing it's 10,000. Next day come up, do the same thing again, grab another card.
Stopping at 10,000. So I'm like, all right the limit 10,000 but The crazy part the limit is 10,000 but every day it's it's like a new 10,000 a spin Like the it's to the point the cars didn't feel real It didn't feel like these is real people cars because how we all use in these cars six that that's that's like out of the six cars that's like 60,000
dollar spending limit every day. And we to the point we maxing it out. And sometimes I'll use like 5000 at the client. All right, I know he's using his car today because because it's supposed to hit 10,000. That's how I started figuring out like what car like they these two idiots was using. And at the time, they wasn't really money hungry, like they focused on getting hotels, they want to invite girls to hotel. This is dumb. Like they get in hotels every week.
cuz they see me like they wasn't getting hotels at first but when they found out like I was using it for hotels like to go out work and stuff they just took it to a different point that they in Manhattan now they get in hotels and the Trump the Trump penthouses they get penthouses there like they get in the best room at every hotel they go to like the penthouse top floor so I'll meet up with these idiots they idiots to be like I say this every day like I'm older than both of them
and and I'm young at the time so so I remember one time they was like yo bro pull up like we got a new penthouse and I'm like yeah I'm not surprised so I wasn't doing much at the time you know and it was like yo we got these girls over I'm like oh yeah and at the time I needed somebody to go on the roads with because I'm like all right I'm showing my face a lot I want somebody to work I know these going for sure I want somebody to work to to go in the stores for me so
Around this time like like like I like I'm jumping a little like like that's what I'll do I go meet up with them because I know they'll always have females around and I get to know one boop boop boop get her number meet up with her boop get a telly take her out nice dinner nice whining down her the best of everything because I know it's a different feeling when you're not sitting there like if it might work I'm going out like
This is what we doing and like it's a different like like for a scammer like when you know like I know like this is food. We not getting money. It's different like we going to the best of the best of the best like I'm trying to find I'm on Google type in five star like what's the best hotel in New York City? What is the best restaurant? I'm just going crazy shit that I don't even eat. I eat duck and freaking all types of crazy shit. So
Just trying to go all out. So I'm selling them this illusion basically like like like like this is how I'm living this is what it is and Get that illusion go to the nice big Hotel for the night next morning. Boom. What's your name? You got your ID on you? All right, we go your draft to my house
Get you an ID. No, I used to make them use their ID. I wasn't cooking them up ID. That take too long. I didn't have time for that. You got your ID? All right, cool. We go into my house. If they didn't, I'll do it. You go to my house, putting these American Expresses in your name, and we going out. And it was just like that for a while. So one day, they called me to the Trump hotel. So I'm like, all right. So I know they got females there. I get there. And I'm like, what floor y'all on? He was like, the last one is P on the elevator.
Like, okay, I should have knew y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all dickheads. Like they end up getting locked up too. The cops ran inside the hotels a couple of times. They come back out and do the same thing again. Crazy. So I go up there. I walk inside the, the, this is the Trump hotel. This is just, um, I go inside the, the, the, the penthouse and the Trump. Oh my God. Mind you, it's 5,000 a night.
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They got two girls in the bathtub and I'm like, yeah, y'all don't like money. This is, this is, this is what y'all want to do all day. And it's just like, yo bro, just relax. I look at the table. So what they was doing, they ordering from the room service, you know, they bill it to the card or whatever the case may be. So they, even though it's 5,000 a night, they rocking up a bill in there. I'm talking about they bringing platters of food inside the, the, to the room.
They got these little big tables. They put in the food out. This is enough. This like some movies like something out of a movie. I swear to God. Then they order in bottles. That was another thing like they was used to go to hotel to hotel and they would get a room or go go in a room. Call up the room service order like 20 30 bottles. Take the bottles and they would leave and they would sell it like they like like that's all they got the room for just to go in and use the room service. Get the bottles and leave.
So at this occasion, I guess they, they, they fill in a, so they in a Trump, they just like 50 bottles of Dom Perignon, Ace of Spades. And he's just, I just remember I walk in and he's like, yo bro, here, take a, take a bottle. He, he, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not comfortable with this. You know, I hate, I hate shit like this, but it's just like, at that time, I'm not going to lie. I just took, I kind of took it in like,
The place was humongous like pillars inside the room. Oh my gosh, it was It was it was something like it was something I'm like y'all did something like if you ever like go on Google and just type in a Trump penthouse is
Crazy high silence. It was crazy, but they got all these girls running around Stuffing that so you know, I do my little thing pull one to the side this and that this listen This is what we're gonna do. Look, I even got a hotel across the street. We can go there. They're like, alright, that's cool We can do that make my little plans. So couple of minutes later. So knock on the door somebody knocking the guest person come up like yo, y'all too loud cuz I
One of my idiot friends he arguing with one of the females because he's trying to get in the bathroom with them taking a bath and my other friend was dating one of them and then she got another girl to go in the bathroom with them and my other friend was mad because he didn't get invited. So he's sitting there arguing with the girl and shit and they going back and forth. So they coming up knocking on the door bringing attention to the room.
whatever the case so they keep coming to the room knocking so we left me and my friend left to get some we come back and as we coming back up we got to get off like a floor that's like the lobby and then once you get off the lobby to get to the penthouse you got to go through another elevator that take you up different floors of the hotel so we get off the floor in the lobby we go talk to the to the reception she like um oh um can i see the card y'all use for the hotel and i look at him and i'm like
I just walk away. You fucking idiot. I knew it. You got some problems, Jimmy. Yeah. Show her the card. I gotta go get my car. And he said it looking stupid. I'm like, show the car. He like, oh, I didn't get the room. My friend got the room or whatever. He telling them whatever. I walk, I just sit by the elevator and stuff like that. And he gave him the card. She took it. She's on the phone. She calling people doing this. And she gave him the card and said,
Like I have a nice day kind of like, like, okay, everything is good. No, no. They said it's unpaid charges for the, for the shit that they ordered. It's unpaid charges. They need to bill it, but the card that's on file not going through. Can we, can we see a different card? He gave them a different card. She charged it and went through as two cards on file that they charge. And she was like, yeah, just use that one. That one that that shoe authorized just keep that one on file and you could use that one. Go back to the room.
As soon as we go there, I'm telling him like, yo, we got to leave. Like, they going to.
So he thought about it. He going back and forth. Idiot. He want to stay because this girl is still there. And we end up leaving. We end up leaving. I think they came back because they were still arguing or some, some, some shit like that. It came back. Cause I remember they came back to the door. That's when I left. Like it was two people at the door. And I remember like, yeah, like I'm leaving, like, excuse me. Like, and this like soon as I left, everybody females, everybody just started leaving, everybody leaving. So,
So that was just one of the stories. I ended up going to like, like, like my hotel with the other female, like three of them came with me. We woke up the next morning. I'm like, yo, y'all want to work? And we just tore up. So went to my house in Brooklyn, came back to my, I had a couple of calls on me already. I did what I did. Came back to the hotel. They seen it. They seen what I did. They were like, Oh, we want to do that to you. All right. Cool. Cool. Got them made pieces. That what we did. But, um,
But yeah, but that was just the extent of the American Express is like we had like we those calls probably last us like three, four months with no, no problem, like no problem. And then they just started dying out little by little, like this one would die. This one would die. This one would die. And
One day, all of them wasn't working and my friend was like, yo, he came to me one day. He was like, yo, I found something out. I'm like, what happened? He was like, oh, all I did is change like the after the six numbers. He said, all you got to do is just keep going up on a number. And it's, and it's like another card. It's like a new card. I'm like, never called don't work like that. He's changing number to work. He was like,
All right, I'm like, I'll try it out and see. I tried it. Same thing. We had that going for like a month. That didn't last long. And then they just start dying out, dying out. Like, to this day, we don't know.
Like, we don't know. Like, if it was a black card, we try to look up the bank identification number, but it just was saying American Express. It wasn't giving us a Pacific Bank. Like, we don't know. Like, I felt like it was just like, I felt like it was the feds. Like, they just giving us numbers to use to just build up a case on us or something like that. But,
Like I said, like they was getting arrested with the cars and stuff like that. They keep receipts in their cars, like they was just messy. So they got questioned about the American Express, but I forgot what it was exactly they was getting questioned about. But it was like these cars just keep popping up at different hotels or something like that. And what you know about these cars, like why, like who called is this that you keep using and they not turning it off.
It was crazy because they, they, and they money, like, how could you stay in this hotel for a week using less than much and the owner of that car didn't cut it off. Like, and they miles for a second. It's like, it had to be yours. Like even these little car schemers, they don't come get the penthouse. They come get like a nice suite, you know, like a thousand to that, but they not, not to this extent, plus you, you running up the bill. So it was crazy. That was another thing, but that was like the American express.
little wave we had going on, that was crazy. But yeah, I'm done with that topic. Because I'm just going on. Did you ever get arrested for credit card fraud? Oh, yeah. Let me get to that. Let me get to that. I never got arrested for those. I don't know. Those ghost cards. I don't know.
Boom, the first time I got arrested for the credit card fraud, I was at Dave and Busters, went out to eat in the city one day, I had a girl at the time, went to Dave and Busters, we went in there, got food, ate our food, then we went to the game section, started playing, and I was just like, yo, I'm gonna go get a drink real quick, and went to go get a drink, and
Use the card and at that time, I didn't have the machine. That was the first time. Use the card, boom. Receipt came up and I'm looking at the lady because she got her back over here. It's like a little bar by the game section. She got her back processing the card there. So I'm watching her because I know that the last number don't match. So I'm always watching them when those type of transactions go on. And the receipt came up and she just went like this, like to show this.
Talking on a mic or something. I'm like, Oh shit, that's not a good sign. That's not a good sign. So I'm standing in nervous. I'm like, so soon as she gave me this car, like I'm out of here. Like I'm out. I just want it so they don't have evidence. So not even 30 seconds go by this big security do walk up to me. Like, I see him walking up to me.
And he like, Excuse me, can you come with me real quick? And at that time, the girl I was with, she's walking, I see her walking up to me, she sees something going on. And I just booked it, booked it past him, left him, left the girl, ran past him. And two more guards, like they were just popping up out of the freaking woodworks. They were just popping up. Two more came in front of me.
got past them. And soon as I get to the door, it's a host at the door that like greet people to come in and stuff.
She comes from around the corner, she jumps down, grab my legs and wrap it up. And I bust my ass and this is a girl, a young female. And I grab me and put me onto the floor and I ran past all of the big security guard. They trying to grab me. I'm getting out of them, ran past them and the girl got me by jumping on my feet. And I was just pissed, got locked up. That was the first time I got locked up like for like a credit card or something.
Got locked up for that. Went to court or whatever. Boop, boop, boop. They offered me probation. I bailed out, went to court. They offered me probation. They said, we're going to give you five-year probation because it's a felony. And yeah, that's either that and the alternative was one year in jail. So I said, I'll do the five-year probation, take the probation.
Um, a couple of months after that, um, after the probation is ended or a couple of months after you got out a couple of months after I got out, I finished the court. So it's already a couple of months cause I went back and forth to court. So it's already a couple of months after that. Um, I got into a police chase. This one, I had my affinity. I got into a police chase. I was out with a girl one night and.
You know, I'm just speeding, pulling up the stop signs. I was just blowing stops, not blowing them, but just pulling up quick and just, just dipping. So reckless driving. The cops turn a light on and stuff like that. And then I look in my mirrors and
Like in New York, we caught on the paddy wagon, you know, the pack, it's like a van. Yeah. Yeah. They pick somebody up and they bring them to jail. Yeah. But it's like the van. It's not like the Ford Explorer days. Because in New York, they'd be in a Ford Explorer or they'd be in like these, these big eight passenger van. Yeah. So it was one of those. So I'm like,
Oh, they in the van. They not going to catch me. I'm a NASCAR driver. They done messed up trying to pull me over in this van. Never ran from the cops before, first time. But I always hear people talking about it, like, yeah, I'm running from the cop. They be like, don't take no check. Like, like, don't take a ticket. So I'm like, yeah, I'm feeling good. Got a girl with me. I know she's going to be excited. She's going to think I'm a badass. So I'll take it. Boom.
Running, running. I'm doing good so far. I'm driving, driving, hitting corners, bull. I'm losing distance. So I turn onto this one street and it's a one way and it's cars parked on both sides. Being New York City, it's cars parked on both sides and it's the car right in the middle at the light. So I get to him.
Now I see them turn the corner. I'm at that coming down the street. I'm beeping my horn at the person in front of me. I'm like, dang, it's like to turn green. I'm beeping my own just so they could just move over a little bit. I'm trying to like show them I'm trying to squeeze in. They're not budging. So they catch up, come to the car, step out the car through the speakerphone, and they still in front of me. The light going to turn green. They still there. I guess they trying to figure what's going on. But I found out.
They tell me sub out the car, sub out the car, boo boo boo. Me and the girl step out. And as I'm stepping out, I see the people in front of me was like a family, like the kids and the wife and the husband. They stepping out the car too with their hands up in the air. So I'm laughing. So I'm like, I know they think that the cop is probably talking about them or everybody who was in front of them. I don't know.
But they stepped out the car and the cop came in and arrest me and they was going crazy. They was like, why are you arresting him? He didn't do nothing. Y'all always harassing black people. I was like one of those. It's like only if y'all knew what I just finished doing. I don't think y'all. Yeah. But they was just kind of like this vouching for me. You okay? You need me to call somebody right now? I'm okay. You know how these cops are. They always bothering us for no reason. I ain't do nothing. You see, I was just driving.
It's crazy, but that was, that was like the second time. So they gave me, uh, I went to court for that. I was on probation already. So now I'm trying to figure out like, dang, what they're going to do next. They gave me probation again. They gave me a three year misdemeanor probation. They gave me a misdemeanor fleeing from a police officer in a motor vehicle. You're going to prison in Florida on everything you've mentioned you're doing sometime.
I'm trying to, this is crazy. So they give me probation. I'm not even done. I'm not even like, so I'm just going through the charges. So they gave me probation for that three year misdemeanor probation. So they just basically ran a concurrent, like how they said is going to work. It's going to run concurrent with the probation I have already. So I just got to do five. I still got to do the five year probation. So I'm like, all right.
I'm like, who? Double triple secret probation. Like, what is this? Yeah, like two probations at the same only in New York. But so I'm like, I'll take it. Boom. So who's the next one? Long Island. So this this is another thing I was doing. I was going to to like dog shops basically. And I was basically swiping dogs like going in.
Buying dogs, credit cards, and I would go on Craigslist. I was always finding stuff to do, stuff that nobody's doing. This is the low stuff I was doing. Everybody else running in all these high-end stores, this is what I'm doing. I'm going and buying dogs. I don't know nobody buying dogs with these credit cards. So I started buying a little cute little dogs, the little wolf huskies, and the stuff I see people axing. Built a little clientele for it.
sold it to one rich person, nice house I pulled up to, million dollar brownstone house, beautiful. They started telling me like, oh, they friends want dogs and they wanted my good friend. It was just crazy to me because it's just like, I know y'all got money. What are you paying for a dog? A couple thousand dollars? You're selling it for what? A thousand or? Fifteen hundred thousand. They mean three. Rich people don't like spending money. I learned that. That's how they get rich. I learned that.
I learned, I swear to you, I'm driving better cars than them. I'm coming to they drive with, I'm like, oh, like, but I learned like, like, bro, I got money, but y'all, I see. And then they are, they are on Craigslist shopping for dogs. Usually I'm thinking like, like, you know, just being a regular person, I'm like, yo, y'all would go to the pet store, but you have people buying dogs on Craigslist. So I was doing that for a while. And so one time I went to go get a dog. Um, it didn't go so good. So go in there.
Swiped the car, it declined, and I'm like, oh, try to do half. And I'm with a female, I took a female with me. So, swiped the car, it didn't go for the full price. Swiped it again, it went for half. So, I didn't have any cars on me at the time. So, they was just like, I never really done nothing like this, but they was just like, come back tomorrow.
Talk to your bank and try to see if they can block your card and just try to come back and pay the rest and we give you the dog tomorrow. So I'm like, okay, no, I go home, make new cards. And I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna get this dog. This was a nice one. Nice husky, green, blue eyes, all white, beautiful. And I had this one ready to sell already. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm aging about this dog. So, so I go boom drive.
Pick the girl back up. And this time I told her, you know what, just just just just go by yourself. Just go get the dog. You already know who you are. Just go swipe the rest. So she go inside. She ended up calling me on a phone like, listen, they telling me that something that they swipe in the card and it's not working.
And I'm like, there's no way it's working. At this time, I knew exactly what I was buying. So it's like, there's no way it's working. They were like, yeah, they said it's not working. But they told me to just give them a second. They trying to figure it out. And I'm on a phone with her. I'm like, get the car back and get the fuck out. Get the fuck out of it. She like, you don't want me to wait for the for the dog. She not understanding. She don't know better. So these these these females I was finding they was just
So I'm like, no, I'm like, like, like, come on, like, come on. Forget the card at this point. First, I was saying get the card. A minute went by. That's too much for me. I'm like, just just come just come come to the car already done drove around the corner already. I don't even want to be body business. I'm like, get your ass come in the car. So
She leaves the store, left the car in there, come in the car, she get in, we drive off. And I'm like, all right, we go, we out of here, we leaving. So drive off, drive down the block. Soon as we make a right, I see it like a like an unmarked car sitting like in the middle of the intersection. It's a two way street, the double yellow line. And it's a vehicle just sitting in the unmarked car like a dog charger or something. I'm like,
I'm like, damn, I'm like, what if that's like, nah, it's, it's too fast. Like it's just no, no way. So, so I'm driving, I'm watching them as I'm going past them windows tinted. I can't see who was inside driving. Soon as we get past them, they pull out, pull up behind me. I'm like, fuck, my heart dropped down and I'm just like, fuck, and I'm just waiting for, I'm just looking at the mirror. I'm just waiting for the lights. I'm just waiting for the lights, lights turned on, pulled over.
What's the problem? They come up to the car, license registration, I think my license was suspended at the time, but I don't know. It was suspended for a while too, like a lot of times I was driving, but New York, like they don't really stress suspended license, like they don't lock you up like here, like New York, like they let you go, like as long as you got no drugs in the car and something like that.
They'll let you go. It's crazy. I came to Florida and got my license together because I had to, because they'll take you to jail if you got your license. It's crazy. But pull me over, boo boo boo. They asked the girl, they're asking the girl through the window, they're like, did you just come from a store, a dog store? And she's like, no, I didn't come from a dog store. They're like, we got you coming from there, boo boo boo. Step out the car. I had a little bit of weed.
a couple of extra calls. I just took it out. I'm not gonna lie. I just threw it out back through everything. I did that before they even came up to the car. That's what I forgot about. So before they even told us to get out the car already done. Did you give her the look when they asked her about the dog? Did you hear the look like
What have you done now? That's the look you gotta give. Officer, I know why you pulled me over. She's running some kind of scam, isn't she? I know, I've been telling her. I told her. I told her. She's trouble. That's how I was trying to play it, like, at least. Like, I'm thinking, like, even when I was putting the shit out back, I'm like, listen, like, I could bail you out, but we can't both be in there. Like, we can't help each other from in there. Like, I'm trying to explain it to her the fastest way I can before they get to the call.
So they tell both of us step out, like I said, I got a fake ID in a car in my socks. Like, for some reason, like that was like one of my hiding spots, like, like in my socks on the bottom of my shoes. So they check me they'll find and they check her bag. They find the stuff like that. And I'm like, no, that's that's all she's got a little bit of weed and stuff like that. Who's got it?
Because in my mind she already in trouble. She already going to jail like for the for the credit card though Just like I just a little extra charge. They don't care about that. They care about the felony. It's an extra month of probation. Yeah You dealing with something way more bigger than that don't don't worry about the weed like I really don't like I don't want to go in for just weed I'm gonna be pissed like so it's embarrassing It's not a respectable charge
So, for some weird reason, they lock her up, boom. I'm like, okay, okay, okay, they ain't lock me up. Yeah, I'm like, that's a surprise. So they put me on the back of the car, and they searching me again, they searching me. And they was like, take your shoes off. Like, they never told me take my shoes off. Take my shoes off in the middle of the street. They're like, take your shoes off. Damn, fuck. Take my shoes off. I'm in my socks.
And they was like, take your socks off. And I'm like, what? I'm like, dang, like somebody stole my little thing. I didn't think nobody knew about like stuff in our socks. But then I'm going in my socks, find an ID and thing. And they charged me for it and lock me up. We both locked up and stuff like that. And I end up making bell fight in a case. And she's still in there. And
I'm trying to get money together and I had money out of didn't want to touch so I didn't want to bail out just yet that's how friends calling me cursing me out you piece of shit how you leave there leave her inside so I end up coming with the money dealing with it and before I even paid the bell her mom came and dealt out so she was extra pissed so I don't even think she knew I was like trying to do something to get her out of there so
That's how that went. She came out, I think she ended up getting like probation or something, and she ended up stopped talking to me. Yeah, but, and it was crazy, but they slaved me. I ended up doing six months for that case, but- You're six months in jail?
Yeah, but, but, but not like going in court, turning myself in like, I ended up being like with the other charges. So boom, so I'm, I'm out on bail for that thing. I'm fighting a charge. So I'm on two probations already. And you're out on bail. And I bailed out from, from Laura. So boom. So I'm like, dang, I got to get my money. I got to get my money up. I didn't have the, the, the affinity at the time I crashed that like totaled it. Um,
I had another Infiniti, a Q70, I rented from some guy that was renting cars and stuff, got it from a rental company. Had that, and I'm like, I gotta figure out a way to make money, whatever the case may be. So first I'm like, I gotta figure out a way how to get a car. So I'm like, I never thought about using
the car to get like, go to a rental company and rent out a car. I'm like, well, I never thought about this. I'm like, I'm actually paying cash for cars. But I guess when you just dealing with money, you just forget about like certain things. Like it's when you do need it and you don't want to pay cash for it is when you start thinking like, all right, like I could use this car to get this and that. So so I went back, boom, thought about the end up going to a rental company and got a car. Boom, got the car.
started doing a little work and work and that incident happened where I ended up crashing a car and I had to get another one, went back to a different place, got a car, fake driver license, got another car, boop boop boop, driving it. And then one day I was just thinking like, it's kind of easy getting these cars. So I'm like, okay, it's not bad. So I ended up parking the car. I went with somebody else, grabbed another car and
I remember, I forgot how it went, but I end up like advertising it like, like, oh, who needs a rental? So word got around, boop, boop, boop, gave it, gave the keys to somebody, boop, exchange information. He took the rental, bring it back in a week, pay me, put the money in my hand. Once he put the money in my hands, I'm like, that's what I felt like, all right, I'm in business. This is what I'm gonna do.
For the next couple of months, I was just going back and forth, back and forth to airports and rental companies. I was just pulling cars, pulling cars, pulling cars, just to the point. It was crazy. I had to start noting, all right, this car is here.
This car is here, this car. So when people want a car, I send them the list, copy and paste it to them. Like these are the cars I have available. Like I'm running a rental company with rental cars. So it was just crazy. So I'm doing that for a while, renting cars out and
Then it started becoming a little problem. Some people, they're not bringing a car back in time. And then people started getting an accident with the car. And it was funny, like one time somebody got it, they got in an accident with the car. And I'm just like, all right, so I went online and I typed in like,
like accidents, disclaimers, something. And I sent it to them. Like, like I made up this whole report, like basically, like they got it, like they responsible for the damage. Like this is my vehicle. This is how much damage you did to the car. And if you don't pay this, this and that, like, like I gotta do it the legal way. Cause they don't know that I'm swiping these cars. Like these is not like friends that I'm written it to. Yeah, I'm written some of them to friends. I know, but
Some of these people is just like regular people, like friends, like my friend would get somebody like they know, like regular people that's using it to go to their jobs or using it to go out for the night, whatever they want it for. So I'm doing that and a couple of people pay me for the claim, like, or I'll be like, you can set up a payment plan. Listen, just, it was crazy. I swear to God, cash act me here, tell me here.
Doing that for a while, in the case maybe. Doing that for a while. And then it was another thing with Zelle at the time. So you know, before when Zelle first came out, it was just a Zelle app.
And on the app, you can send money, blah, blah, blah. You could just download the app and just put the card in and then send money with Zelle. So it was a whole thing. I was doing that for a while, getting the cards, putting it on Zelle and making another Zelle and basically sending it, attaching a real bank profile that I have access to.
And basically like just sending the money today, sending the money to like clean that, clean that card out or hit the limit for the Zelle. Cause Zelle it was like, you only could send a certain amount on the app when it was just before they put it like in a banking app, like it was a certain limit, 500, a thousand, something like that. And once I hit that limit, I could either take that same card and make a new Zelle account, refresh the phone, make a new Zelle account, send it again.
and and keep doing that like like until
into the phone like basically like like they felt the way like to to stop the transaction from the phone like they was blocking the like the phone like you it don't matter what card you put in like like they they was blocking the IP or something so when they started doing that now we have to keep getting new phones like every transaction like we go to target and it was like a certain phone we had to get like it was weird like i don't work on all phones it was a certain verizon phone i remember get a one month plan and
Doing that for a while. I don't want to get too deep because I'm going to end up all day. But I remember that was the thing we was doing for a while around the same time. That was good. I'm not going to lie. That was amazing. I'm going to close this out with the car. So I'm doing a rental car thing. I was doing this at the time. I went to the airport one day and when I got to the airport,
Yeah, I remember it was an Audi A4. I got to the register, gave him my credentials, license, card, boot, boot, boot. And she went to the back. I remember she turned off. Usually they don't go to the back. They do everything in front of you. They check the license, enter the information, then they give you the card until you swipe it. But she went to the back with the card and ID. So
She came back up to the front. She's talking to me. She was just like, yeah, where you going with the car? Where you taking it? I'm like, I'm just milking me. You get what I'm saying? Just milking me, asking me questions. Hey, what are you doing this weekend? So next thing you know, she's talking to me.
I just heard it was like automatic doors, because it was like the airport, plus like the car rental was inside the airport. So I heard that automatic doors open from like inside the airport to the car rental. And I just knew, I just knew for some reason, like it could have been somebody just coming in, getting their car, I just knew, I just looked back and I just seen the port authorities, it was the port authorities. And like they the cops for the airport. So they come walking in, they walk in,
Um, I'm not, I'm turning back watching them. He's looking straight at me. I'm like, fuck. He woke up to me. Um, um, they, they, he said something like, like they called for you, like, like I got a call for you here that, that, that you're doing fraud. Like he was straight. I remember he like, he came to be straight up, like, like I got a call for you. You look right in the face and say, when I get out, I'm coming back here for you. I gave her that look, quit that job right there. She quit that night.
You know what something on Jesus Christ on my dead brother life or everything I love this lady try to warn me. No, that's why she called. I swear to God, I don't know if a higher up made her do it or if it was a policy, but she really warned my dumb ass and I did not take the hint. I'm so happy you brought that up.
As I'm talking to her, she's telling me what she said. She said, oh, if I was you, I would run out of here right now.
For some reason, I'm thinking she's thinking like, because I was talking about the price, like I was in there trying to act like I'm trying to get a good deal. Like, can I get a better deal than that? Like, that's the kind of conversation we was having. So I'm thinking she's talking about like running off with the price. Like if I was you, I would, I would like kind of take the car and just run up out of here. So when she said it, I laugh. I just laugh. I'm like, I'm like, yeah.
But now, but when I see the cop, it's like, oh shit, she was really telling me to get the fuck up out of here. But I'm just so excited because I wasn't really doing, I wasn't too much into the luxury cars and I know I can make more money off of this. I didn't really want to let it go. I didn't really want to hear nothing. And it's what you've been doing for so long and it's working. Like you get emboldened by it. You start feeling like you can't, you can't do no wrong.
And I wasn't supposed to really touch airports. And that was another thing I messed up because they got more events stuff at the airport and I ended up finding that out later on. But the cops arrest you? Yeah. So a cop came up to me like, yeah, they caught somebody in a red vest. I had a red vest on. He was like, yeah, it's you. I'm like, no, that's not me. It's like, yeah, we just missed him. Yeah. So they locked me up. And I'm just at this at this point, like I ain't got a lot like I ain't never been
like, depressed and feeling bad. Because now I want to probation. I got the case in, in Long Island, I'm still fighting. And then this shit pops up. So I'm like, fuck, I got the two cases for probation plus the one that's the fourth one. So I'm like,
I'm fucked. Like, I'm fucked. I'm all the way fucked. I'm thinking about I'm fucked. I'm fucked. It's just over. Like at this point, like, like, I just like, yeah, I ain't coming home. It's no bell. I'm not even thinking about bell. Like, it was it was a bad I was at a bad place in my mind. That's how I'm not gonna lie. I was just depressed. Like I was I failed. I failed. I failed. But went through the system. Oh,
Got to Rikers Island. I'm back in Rikers Island. Now I got all these cases I'm going to. So how can I explain this? So usually on your court day, right, they will come call your name and they will say Queens Court line up here or Brooklyn Court line up here and Bronx Court like all the boroughs court basically like they had separate lines like buses that was going to different courts.
and it was just so funny because i was like on every other line every time like usually people going in there they fighting a shooting charge or gun charge and i'm just fighting all of these frauds every other every week i had a i had a court date like at another place i'm on a different line and then people looking like oh you was just going to brook i'm like yeah i gotta go to manhattan too i got something in there i had probation over there and then i had to go to brooklyn for running on the cops over there and
It was it was it was crazy in Queens because the airport is in JFK. That's considered Queens. I had to go to the airport. I had to go to Queens court. So I was all over. It was it was crazy. So I went to the first court date. It was for my five year probation for the felony when I went in Dave and Buster's and stuff. That was the first court date like I went to and they were she was just like, you know what? Mama, do I listen?
I never seen like she gave me this crazy speech like I never met somebody so so stupid like you like like you you've been given so much chance and since the last time I see you seen you you managed to to rack up three extra charges like she was like I'm so mad the maximum penalty I can give you is a year because if it was anything more that I could possibly give you you deserve it like
And mind you, all of this from the Dave and Busters to now to the airport was one year, 2016 was just four cases. It's crazy. So yeah, so she gave me her speech or whatever, her speech, and she gave me a year. So now I know, all right, I got one case out the way. I got the three others. Now I know I'm not going nowhere for a year.
The year, you know, you stay in the city and I still got the court. So even if it was more than a year, I still got to stay and fight the case. So got that out the way. The other case, um, the pro missing me, the probation, they gave me two, three months, ran concurrent with the year, got those two out the way. After I got those out the way, a detective came to the jail and took me downstairs and re fingerprinted me. He locked me up again.
So now I had another child. I knocked two down and another one came up. And he was like, oh, we from the auto, the auto detective department. I'm like, what's that? Like, what's the auto detective department? He was like, oh, we detect vehicles and stolen cars. And they took me to some room I'd never seen inside the jail. And they was like, listen to us. Like, we know, because with the idea I got caught with,
I took out a couple of cars with that actual license. But the crazy part is I just changed that ID not too long ago. So the last ID was was crazy, but they don't know about that. They don't know about the ID. So must have been Vic Ferrari. We actually we did an interview with a guy from from the auto theft division in New York City. His name is Vic Ferrari.
Serious? Yeah, he's got a bunch of crazy stories. He probably heard about me. Yeah, well, he lives like, like probably 45 minutes north of here. Yeah. He's another guy podcast would probably get you on his body. Okay, you got you got to do sixes. You got to do Vicks. That's great. Auto theft of the vision and he had to detect I never knew they had a detective squad in New York. Auto thefts huge in New York.
I didn't know I was a little credit card scam, but they came. Yeah, he brought me downstairs. He was just like, yeah. So we just want to know what a vehicle is. It was like the vehicles. We did the amount. We did the paperwork. We talked to Hertz Enterprise and
They say they have about XYZ car missing, about 3 million in cars, this and that, that we believe that's just associated with this license that's not recovered. If you can
help us find these cars, then we can work on getting talking to the DA. It was like one of those things that we could talk to the DA putting the good work with you. We're trying to help you out. Yeah, it was one of those things. So I'm like, I'm like, honestly,
I was a little bit nervous. When he said millions, I ain't never really hit millions with anything I was doing, but he's adding up like the MSRP value of the vehicle. So yeah. Yeah. You're like, no, no, no. I was selling them. I was renting them for like a thousand a week. It can't be that much. No, that's not how it works. They, my guy may have given you a thousand dollars, but he drove off with a $70,000 vehicle. You don't rent to, you know, they always sell up to date only rent.
Like they only rent up to their vehicles and stuff. So it was crazy. So, so he, so yeah, he scared me a little. So I'm like, um, yeah, I'm like a couple of them is on this street. I think if you look over here on this street, but, but I got, I got it in my notes on my phone, if I can get my phone. So I'm, so he ended up letting me, um, not me going to my, but he went to my property. He got my phone out of it and we sat down and we was looking through the notes and, and,
I remember I had a bunch of notes and I'm just sitting there like I would show him like boom I would open up one note and I was like all right this car is right here boop he excited he writing it down I'm like let me see the other car like once he see like like I figure like he see me cooperating or I could delete the cars I know like you get what I'm saying like they know I'm deleting, deleting, deleting and I show him another car I'm like yeah this one this should be on the street get the phone back and I'm like oh the other car delete just
But, but yeah, so I, I don't know, he came back. I gave him the car, gave him the information. He was like, all right, I'm going to check it out. I'm going to go see if he found it. Then, then it's good. I appreciate you. I'm like, yeah, yeah. He was like, long as we get the car back, like, like, like they don't care. Like they might not even press charges kind of. I'm like, oh, sound wonderful. All right, why not? So he go back. Was that not true? They didn't, but they weren't so thankful that they dropped the charges.
He didn't mislead you. I feel like he did because he did, he did, he did, he did. I went to jail for having, they charged me with possession of credit cards at the airport and trying to get the car because I'm like I still went to jail for it but that was a new case that he brought up to me and I ended up beating that charge because that was a whole another
But you got the one year, how much time did you do on the one year? I did the whole thing. You did the whole year? But look, no, no, I'm gonna tell you why, because I'm still fighting the case. So he came and got me for that. He came and got me for the cards. And then I was just going to court for that now. Now I'm going to court for the other three charges. So the misdemeanor, I talked about the misdemeanor, Rene Concurrent, the Long Island,
Now they expedited me to Long Island because Long Island is not considered like, it's New York, but it's a different jurisdiction. So Nassau County, like that, they got their own county in Long Island. So Nassau County Department, they came pick me up, brought me over there for the dog thing. When I was doing the dogs, they brought me over there and I went to court there. I got sentenced there. They gave me six months over there. That's how I did six months over there.
Well, you must have never spent more than a week or two without going to court. That's actually not a bad way to do it. Well, it sucks to kind of be moved, but it breaks up the day. Sometimes you probably get a better meal.
Yeah, now, Nashville County has sucked, but good thing I wasn't there for too long. It was just like a trip. Like, it was good to get out, to get out, you know, go take a ride and drive to Nashville County and come back. But yeah, went over there. Thank God, they wasn't running, it wasn't running nothing concurrent. We got to run six month concurrent with the year you're doing already. All right, cool. Boom. So it's like,
The year is the top chart right now. So everything I'm getting sentenced to is under this. So I don't know. I'm calling lucky. I'm just blessed. Get back to Rikers Island. Now I got rid of the Long Island one. So now it's just the airport one. And then the car theft, the new charge he came and arrested me on. So he came.
I was going to court to that. We end up verifying. He didn't find all of the cars. He found most of them. And I ended up finding out like later on, like they found all the vehicles, all the vehicles was covered, but they ended up dropping the case because it was only like three, four cars still like wandering someone. I'm like, somebody probably had it. Some of them was crashed. They didn't know about, so they had to do like farther report, but they felt like, like it was just good enough to satisfy like the hurt you're in the car place. So they ended up dropping that.
with the court for the last one, the airport and they got it down. I got it down to two to four years. So basically two to four years, nonviolent. You do two years, your max is four with good time. If you got good time, come out on two. If you go to the parole board, boom, they can leave at two years. So at this time, I already got like 16 months in. I've been sitting in a jail for 16 months.
I took it. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, that's the last one. Let me just get it out the way. I heard two years. I got a couple of more months to do. I took that end up taking that. And they sent me to they sent me to prison. That was my first time they sent me up to prison and went through that. And yeah, went up there for a couple of months. Like I said, it was different got off the bus.
First thing that CEO saying, listen, this is not Rikers Island. All that stuff y'all was doing out there. This is not this or that. And, you know, just went through the process. They break you in and yeah, it went through that. Like prison, like I said, it wasn't too bad. I wish I got there before. Yeah. Because I could have got out before two years because they got like other programs you could do before your minimum date. So,
Like I said, it wasn't too bad. It was cool. Went through that. When'd you get out on that? 2018, October. And did you have probation after that? Yeah, the two years, because it's four years, two to four years. So I had to do another two years on parole. That's when you started working at McDonald's again.
You haven't gotten in trouble since then. I went to the credit card, started getting in trouble again. What is your wife saying? What is your wife saying? Do you have any idea what my wife would do if I told her, listen, I'm thinking about doing this? She'd be like, that's never going to fucking happen. I'm not going to lie. She stayed with me. She stayed with me the whole two years.
Like the whole time coming up driving, taking the bus eight hours to come see me when they ship me off to prison. And I only knew her for that year. I didn't like, I just met her like 2016. That's when I met her. So I gave her the speech, like, listen, you don't got to stay around. You know, like, I know you was my girlfriend, but you don't got to stay, but you didn't know each other. You know, this is, it's not an easy thing. You didn't sign up for this. Yeah.
She would just know, I'm doing this with you. And I'm like, trust me, you don't know. You don't know what this like. It's not easy. I'm gonna do this with you. I'm like, okay. Yeah. So like I said, she was coming up almost every week, like every, almost, almost every, she made almost every visit. That's nuts. I was just like, wow, this girl really like me. Cause I was always around
Like I said, even from back then, it was just different. Like, like I could even rush doing things like even sexually well, like, and it got me mad to the point, like I was just about to cut off. Like, I don't got time for this. Like, like, you don't want to drop your panties. Like, like I don't even want to be around. Like I was, I was one of them. Cause like even growing up, like, like I said, like,
I even got picked on by females. It was just like, oh, I was never they type. You get what I'm saying? So even when I got into that life, it was just karma, backfire. No, get away from me. This or not, this or not. You get what I'm saying? I wasn't too believable. Oh, I like you. Oh, I don't like you, though. I was very blunt with females. I let it be known like, listen, this is what it is.
So it was just different when she came around. Like I said, a lot of females, I've been, it was just different. Like she wasn't too excited about, shut her head going on. Like she wasn't.
I don't know how to really explain that. She wasn't too, like we would do stuff and she was like, I don't got to, like what we doing? I don't got to do this. My wife is, she's like, she's not really impressed. Yeah. She's like, yeah, yeah, that's nice. No, it's, it's, it's nice. I've never done this before. That's great. But she's not impressed by it. Like she could get, she could take it or leave it. Like you want to go, yeah, we'll go on vacation, but she's not the one to be saying like, oh, we got to go here. Oh, I want this car. Oh, I want this bag. Can you buy me this bag? She doesn't do any of that. She's like, never ask for nothing. Yeah. Like, yeah.
That tends to make me want to do it more. Do it, yeah. Yeah, because now you're like, I want to spend money on you. I used to tell her, like, it's free. Like, I'm telling you, it's free. Like, go. Like, get something. Like, I used to be mad at her. Like, you gave me mad. Like, no. Like, it's not my money. Like, I don't know how else to tell you. It was just crazy. Like, even the first time I knew, like, I even felt some type of way.
I remember I sent in the store because I was doing returns basically, like some things called return at a time. Like where you would go like to Marshoes or Kmart and you would just buy like $3,000 worth of stuff. And it was certain stores that let you swipe the card to put the money back on your card. You know, when you return stuff, they usually be like, all right, we're going to send it back to the card you paid with. Yeah.
Swipe the card here and it was like that so you would just Bob you go buy stuff and I would get like a real bank card like it would either be somebody I know or even mines I get a prepaid card or make my my wife open up a prepaid card and and I would just have that call for the return so.
Like I said, I had the machine already at this point already. So I'm putting the last four of the receipt number because they checked in for the return. They started checking like to see if that's the card you pay with. Like, yeah, that's the car I pay with. It's the same last four and match. So they'll be like, OK, returning like the three thousand, four thousand, whatever I get that day, amount of stuff. They'll take it, process it, swipe the card. They'll be like this amount going back to your card, boop, boop, boop. And then when you swipe it,
That returns now go to whatever card. Right. So you can load up a card with eight, nine, 10 grand over the course of a week. And now I've got $9,000 on a card I can use. Right. Just go shopping one week. You just go shopping. Could you take it out? I mean, if it's really your card, couldn't you take it? You've got the pin card. You got the pin. Couldn't you go take money out of the bank account? Yeah. We used to just leave it on there. Right. Like it's just money. You can do whatever you want.
Once they return the money on it, it's good. They're not bothering. That was okay for a while. I was doing that for a while. One day, when I was talking, I brought that up because I sent my wife in to do just a return. I never had it going in and buying and stuff. I used to have other people doing that. It was a whole thing. Even being with her, it used to be situations like, she think I'm cheating.
I ain't go a lot, like she knows, she went through my phone, like, yeah, I was, I was, I was cheating, but yeah, but like, like I had them working too. It wasn't just like playing around. We wasn't just playing around, running around cheating. Like, you know, I had them doing stuff that my dirty work too. So, and then it would just be time. I like doing a return. I don't like really seeing the people I work with.
Like do the returns like they don't really know how much I'm getting. I'm not really paying them. You get what I'm saying? I'm acting like I like them. I'm making these fake relationships. So they just like it's just like you doing me a favor like like I should have had to pay you for that. So I was very manipulative when it came to that like
so it would just be like friends yeah like you're gonna ask i'm just asking you to return we just went out last night and it's just like i understand i understand how to play the game you know what i'm saying i just brought you this i just we just ate at this nice restaurant you stayed at this beautiful hotel like that's the least you could just do it just go in the store swipe a car go shopping yeah because you're gonna get yourself a couple of gift cards you like victoria's secret just go in there get whatever you want clothes whatever and just when you go to the checkout just grab these two gift cards
You know what I'm saying? Or grab some clothes and then whatever you don't want, not whatever you don't want, grab what you want and then make sure you grab this much merchandise, but keep this, keep this for yourself, keep that, whatever you want for yourself, just put it to the side. But we go into like five different Victoria's secrets, so don't get greedy in one store, just get two items per store until we finish doing what we're doing. So it'd be like little stuff like, no, sometimes if I'm feeling good, I'll do that. But yeah, but
My wife, she went to go do a return and she had a problem. They called onto her. One of the pieces I gave her, the last four didn't match and they called onto it when she did the return because when she swiped the card,
After you do the return, the receipt comes up and then it shows my real bank card. That was a thing too. Whoever's bank card, I'm going to say mine, it shows my last four. It went to this card and my last four show up. When they swipe the receipt, the receipt comes up and says it went to this card. It's not showing that
Yeah, yeah, they're looking at the ID. I mean, I'm sorry, they're looking at the credit card. It matches. It matches the card I pay with. Right, they swipe it, but then the real, on the receipt, the real number comes up. My number came up that it went to. This money went to his card, but on a card, they say it went to the original card. Anyway, yeah, so she got caught up like that. Like, I didn't forget, like everything was good, but I forgot when I swiped the card.
Oh, my, my bank come up, so she got caught up in a store. And usually like, like, I'll be thinking about leaving people like in the store when a situation like that happened, because I know like the cops about to come. But
I jumped out my car. I'm running in a store looking for her because she was saying something like, oh, they don't want to let me leave at first or something like that. So now I'm running in a store. I'm trying to see if I can push a security guard down and something and just tell her run out. Like, like I see like I care. Like, no, I can't. I can't. Like this one is special. Like, like, like you were kind of little special to me. Let me come try to see what I could do. But by the time I get to her, um,
She she walking away. I'm walking to her. She walking to me and she got the receipt. I am she said like I did it. I'm finished I'm like, come on. So like you You plan she like not it was a surprise. It was a rise to me Every time I did it was easy when they start asking me questions I said, can I just give me the merchandise back and I just leave and they said no and I was telling her leave the merchandise and then she that's when she was like, oh they they telling me I can't leave so that's when I came in but they end up doing a return for
Like, it was crazy. It'd be times like where they think something going on, they think they own to something, but they're looking at the receipt. It's the same car she paid with. They probably looking at the hologram on the car and that's where she's getting scared. Like, like, like they looking into it because they feel like something going on, but they can't prove nothing right then and there. They can prove when a receipt, but they don't care. It's just like once the transaction is finished, that last receipt come up. You keep no matter of fact, you saw someone give it to them, then they give you one, but they don't never look at the last four. It's crazy.
like, I don't know. I don't know. But after a while, I guess like, like, they caught on to that. But yeah, but I did my two years I came home. And I realized that the credit card game has changed. Because right before I went in, I started seeing a chip machines like, like
Like the registers looking different, they got new registers and they got like something where you could put like the card in. I'm like, Oh, this is crazy. But it wasn't, it wasn't activated. Like they used to have like little red cards stuck in them, like telling you not to use the chip, but they just had the record, the register data like footage chip, but it wasn't active. So by the time when I came home, it was active, the chip was running. So it was just different. Like now I know I couldn't do what I was doing before now.
It was ways like you could bypass the chip like like you would take the card and you would like stick it in a chip the chip and then you would stick it three times you would put it in card error put it in card error the third time swipe the card like you can't read the chip swipe card please swipe it go through whatever that was good for a while we found out how to bypass the chip now and then that was working for a couple of months and then they stopped it all together they was like now if they see somebody bypassing the chip
They just not, they decline in the transaction. Then it was an amount like they only, it's only approving for $50. It was crazy. It was like now you have to do low amounts because anything higher than 100, they decline in it. So we're doing the gift cards. We take one gift card, jam it, jam it, jam it, swipe $50. Jam it, jam it, jam it, jam it, swipe $50. Ring the gift card back up, jam it, jam it, $50. Just sitting there. So now we have the registers.
hoodie hoodie over just doing anything at this point like standing at the self checkout looking crazy and target like jam jam jam $50 jam jam just filling it up to the car with the clown no stop working so so yeah it was just crazy stuff i got locked up three more times when i came home
End up being like two of the cases end up being all of them really like when I finished parole, I didn't catch no violations, but I got a lot. I got arrested three times. What were those for? Just fraud. One of them I got caught in a hotel like just coming down and check up. I had swiped the rental like
Yeah, I was back to the rental. But I wasn't renting them. I was just getting them to drive. I swiped one rental book and they was holding the keys at the front desk for one of them. Like I had valet my car. So they was just like, oh, we don't feel like this your car or whatever the case may be. And I was trying to ask for my key back so I could leave. It's time to check out anyways. And then they waited for the cops to come. That was another day. Lock me up for that. And that one I ended up beating.
I went to court. I don't know how. I went to court, case dismissed one day. I don't know, up to this day. And then my lawyer was like, you know, I could file a lawsuit against them. You got to case dismiss. And he was just telling me that whenever you got a case dismissed by the state, you know, you can file a lawsuit. And blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, all right, let's do it. I don't got nothing to lose. He's like, yeah, I don't got to pay nothing. Whatever, I'll take my cut. When we do the lawsuit, he did the lawsuit for me.
Two years later, come pick up your check. What'd they settle for? It was like something low, like $20,000. And my lawyer took like $7,500 or something like that. Not too great. It was just small. Because we took the second offer. We ain't really waited out and see if they could go up or there.
Yeah, it was crazy. When I came home, it was a lot going on. That's a whole other story. Even how I got to Florida, I ended up coming down here because I needed my car registered. At the time, me and my wife, we were separated at the time, so she lived in Florida here with her parents. I was still in New York.
I was trying to get in car attack with her because my car got towed. That's the first thing and I was using Dilla Place. So they didn't want to give the car back to me. I got towed to New Jersey. They like a little more stricter out there than New York City. So they was just like, oh, we want the person who got the title to the car to come pick the car. Me and my wife is separated. So it was just weird. I had to call her and then, you know, like,
Look, how you doing? Um, I know we not on a good too much of terms, but they got the car and I need help getting it. So, uh, so she said, okay, um, I'm going on vacation like for a month. Um, I'll be back and try to get the car for you or whatever the case may be. And I'm like, oh, okay. So I didn't really think she was serious. So month to two month went by, um, ended up finding out like I had a daughter, um,
Went to Virginia. That's when I got caught up out there. Came out on bail. That's where my wife just got back now. Now she in Florida. She went to go get the car. I didn't even know. She came, got the car. When she came back, she came to New York, instead of going to Florida. That was the thing. She didn't go to Florida. She came to New York, got the car out.
Park it at her brother house that lives in New York, and she went back to Florida. So last time I talked to her, I was like, yeah, so when they could come get the car, she was like, oh, the car's already at my brother house, this and that and the case and the third. And I was like, oh, I wanted you to tell me so you could just register it out here. Because the dealer place, they was from Florida. Like even the whole time when we was together, when I got the car, her name,
The place was always from Florida for some reason. Oh, because she had a Florida ID because she was already back and forth to her parents' house. So she ended up getting the ID out there. So when we was in New York together, when we got the car, she had a Florida ID. So they registered it with Florida Place. I don't really know how a car works too much, but that's what they end up doing. So she was just like, oh, I can't do it right now, right now, right now.
I'm thinking how New York cops is. They're going to keep bothering me with these dealer plates because I got to get it renewed because the sticker, it was, it was passed due. And I usually get like new stickers from the dealer, but he don't work at the dealership no more. So now I can't pay him every year for like the insurance and get the new stickers. So I'm like, you know what? Listen, I'm going to come out here. I'm going to come out there and register the car. So that's what I did. I came, drove from New York, came all the way out of Florida.
met up with her. We went to the DMV, got the car registered, and I was just like, all right, thank you. This is not a case. And I was about to drive back and she was just like, you know what? Like, I miss you and this and that. I was about to leave and
I was like, yeah, I miss you too. And I did miss the time. We caught up a little. So I'm like, oh, we had a good conversation. So it was a mutual agreement. So she was just like, yeah, just stay here with me for a while. Get your stuff together. And I'm thinking I still got the case there. I'm fighting it. And I just end up staying. I end up staying.
Yeah, and I just, I was just, I was just figuring it out. I was just like, I was more telling her like, listen, I want to get this case out the way first, before I really start anything serious and start doing nothing. Because the worst thing I want to, the worst I want to do is start something, then I got to go away and leave it behind and leave you with everything. And I don't want to do that. So let me just fight this case for a couple of months, get it out the way so we can start doing what we got to do.
So one couple of months turned into one year, one year turned into two years. And now like we just came to an agreement. Um, it was supposed to be in November. They pushed it up again to January, pushed it up again in February. So February for now, it's my sentencing date, um, for, for the charge I have in Virginia. So, um, my lawyer worked out a deal.
Got like five charges dropped. It's two charges right now. And it's an agreement. They not charging me like what the charge hold, but just an agreement. Like I can be charged with no more than six month. So anywhere from zero to six month is the guy line that, um, we made a deal with, with the prosecutor that the judge can sentence me up to.
And they have good time. It's like non-violent. 80% you do 85% of your time and violent do 95% or something like that. So I got to do 85, 80, 85, something like that. So six months. I'm looking at it. I got a month and a half and basically two months.
About three months, two, three months. Yeah, about three, four, four months, anywhere. And that's if the judge say, I'm going to give you the max on your guy line, if I'm going to give you six months. So if you give me four months, I'm okay. Probably sit there for one day, go home. So that's what I'm dealing with right now. So that's just like the last berry I have right now.
I've been looking into a lot of stuff like real estate. Just so much stuff like I'm learning now is so much you could do with your money like and like I said, I want to I want to do something that fits like even like I'm talking about like if a smoke shop like like I cannot explain it's like like a like a smoke like like any like any small business that I could just use run
That could generate revenue so I could do what I really want to do. Like I'm trying to find like little small revenues here and there, here and there, put something together and just start something. I don't want to speak it like I'm a believer. Like I don't want to put nothing out there. You got people that that took down on it or preyed upon it. So I got something that I want to do. I want to put together. I know what I want. I sat down. I plant it out. This is what I want to do.
This is how much I need to do it. Unlike this. Oh, this is what I want to do one day. Like now I got down. I talked to a couple of people that's going to help me. I agreed to help me with it once I got everything out the way. So, so, so yeah, that's where I'm at. And I believe honestly, even coming to Florida, like it saved me. Like I'm not gonna lie. Like if my wife didn't stop me from leaving, like I don't know where I would be. I don't know what case I'd be fighting right now.
going back into the same environment. I came out here, it was different. Her parents had to have a lovely, nice house in the community. It's just different. Never living outside of New York, coming here is different. Seeing these come, growing up in New York, if you grew up in New York, going out of town and
Seeing like nice houses gated communities like these are stuff like we seen like growing up on TV and stuff like that or like shows and stuff like they neighborhood look different from ours. We just got houses or touching together big tall buildings and stuff like that and no it's different. You got space here parking. It's not an issue. It's just nice weather. So it's just different. I feel like like I kind of got lucky like I got saved coming here to Florida.
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"text": " working there or she stopped giving her the information. One of those came first. So I end up not going too far. You know what I'm saying? It was just like a temporary couple of months thing. Got a couple of iPhones out of it. Yeah, it gave me a taste of, yeah, perfect. It gave me a taste of like getting something for free. You get what I'm saying? Or getting some more information. That was like the first thing I did. So one day, me and my friend, we go to our buddy house. We had a friend"
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"text": " And every time we go to his house, just like this friend, like, he always had like nice clothes. Like we call him Diddy, Diggy, Diggy, Diggy. I didn't know him personally. My friends knew him. Like that was their friends. And I always used to wonder like what he do, like what he do for a living. He had this nice house, his parents' house, obviously. I'm like 19 at the time. He around the same age."
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"text": " Probably a year older, if anything, two years. And he always, every time he come around, even before we went to the house that day, always coming around, he was driving. I remember that was another thing like, oh, like he's driving. None of us was driving. I didn't know too many people driving at that age. We went to his house one day and I remember he came to my friend and he was like, oh, don't your friend work like at a, at a register?"
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"text": " And, and he was like, yeah, so they talk and he give them something. So my friend come back to me, he was like, yo, I was just talking to diggy. And he said, like, he got like a little black box thing. Like, that's, that's what it's called black box. It's called like a mini XD, like the name of it. This is a skimmer. Yeah, it's a reader. Yeah. So"
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"text": " First time seeing it, don't know what it is. It just looked like a tiny little handheld little register card swiper thing. So he was just like, listen, when you go to your job, just take this, just swipe cards on it. You're still working at McDonald's. Still working at McDonald's. So that's why they came to me for it. So he's like, just take this, swipe cards on it, and you're just going to get some money. Like he's going to pay you for just swipe, swipe as much card as you can on it. What did you get per swipe?"
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"text": " It wasn't even per swipe. It was just swipe cards and I'm gonna just give you, I forgot the amount. He offered me amount. You just swipe as much as you can. If you get a lot, I give you some money. They didn't really understand it because I understand. I need 10 bucks every time I swipe this fucking thing. That's what I need. Because I didn't know how much. You set fucking price here. I didn't know the gravity. I didn't know the gratitude of how much money he was really making."
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"text": " Offer it like I didn't really understand. I know it's a credit card. I understand they got money on it and I know he told me a decent price probably like like 500 every time I give it to him somewhere a thousand and I was just like cool. All right, cool Like I'm gonna try to do this as much I'm trying to get like five hundred dollars every a thousand dollars every week Try to give it to you twice a week. So I just took it took it and"
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"text": " Took it to McDonald's. I'm doing great. I'm swiping, working a drive-thru, so it was perfect. Swiping, swiping, swiping, boom. Even in the front register, I found the way to swipe the card, like myself. Because you know in McDonald's, they got the self-swipe thing in front of them. So they're not supposed to hand you their card. Yeah, the point of sale. Yeah. So I came up with what I did."
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"text": " Ring their order up, ring their order up, boo boo boo boo boo. After I ring their order up, they'll go and swipe their card. But it's a button, I remember this, I remember this, I swear to God. It's a button that you have to press so it can process the transaction. If not, it's just going to keep saying processing on a screen. It'll say processing, processing, and you click the button, either approve or decline. So"
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"text": " When they swipe their card, I don't press the final checkout. I remember it was a yellow button on the bottom right hand side that you have to press to complete the transaction. You could press it before they swipe it and then it just goes through. Or if you don't press it before they swipe it, it's just going to stay there, whatever the case may be."
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"text": " But it's still a checkout button. It's still a check on like, like, like you have to press it so the screen can light up, but you got to press it to like process it. So once that screen pop up for them, I tell them like, Oh, we having difficulty like with the system right now. So I got to, I got to swipe the card like in the main office for it to finish processing. And this is when I started learning, like reading people like who will really go for something like this or who will really give me their card or who really looked like they had."
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"text": " Money, you get what I'm saying? So I started picking out certain people like that didn't know people that was really in a rush. So they'll swipe the card and basically give it to me. I'd be like, there's something going on with the system. I have to finish the transaction in the back, I have to finish it. So I'll take the car, go to the back, swipe it on the card. And when I come back,"
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"text": " I just say, just give it a little time. It's running through the system right now and then in that time, I'll click the button real quick and then the receipt will just come out. And I'll be like, thank you. Give them a call back what they receive. And I was like, OK, wasn't a big deal. So I found out how to do it from both ways because I wasn't always in drive through."
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"text": " Do you have to hide that from your coworkers or is it like, you know, like at the time I was, I was hiding it from, uh, from my coworkers. I didn't want to nobody know. Cause I didn't really make friends there. It was just like,"
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"text": " More older people, it was more older people. I remember it was like this one African guy, like he was on to me, like he knew like I was doing something. I was taking money out to register and stuff like that. I used to do a lot of crazy stuff and I ended up getting fired for that too. Like three in the morning, the system in McDonald closed down. You ever went to McDonald's like three, four in the morning, back in the days and they'll tell you like, oh, our system is rebooting or something like that."
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"text": " People know like if you've been to McDonald's like around three four in the morning to this day the system have to reset from The regular menu to breakfast and when it's switching over they can't accept any payment So what we used to do at our store, we should take the payments manually So we used to ask them what they want Write it write it down do the math or how much it costs and tell the cooks to make this y'all make this make that make that and"
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"text": " They go and make it boop, boop, boop. Put it in the bag, bag it up. Get the money. Listen, your total is this much. They give you the money. They give you a calculator. Put how much they gave you, how much change they're supposed to get back. It's only cash at the start. Give them a change, full, boop. So what I used to do sometimes, I used to get they order, tell a cook to make the cook and only put that he wanted two items instead of the five items he want."
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"text": " And I would do the math on it, what's ever left, pocket it, give them a change. Nobody knew doing that for a while along with the thing. So I was in there just working. Sometimes that African dude, he used to leave his register because he used to be working one register. I'm working in a drive thru. I used to just go and just go to his register. Both our registers is open. It's just sitting there. I just go take money out of register. Little stupid, stupid stuff. Greedy."
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"text": " So I was taking the black box to that I should give it to my friend, you have to go to my friend, I didn't know personally. So I used to go back and forth. This all I was doing in McDonald's, like, you know, through the through the time, I will give the box to my friend. He give it to him. And"
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"text": " Give it back to him to give to me. And the first couple of times he was just like, Oh, um, are you swiping a card? Right? Make sure you, you, you swiping it right. Um, none of the cards was good. This and that and the third. Right. Okay. Did it a couple more times, brought it back. Same thing. It probably didn't take like three weeks, probably like the third week. I said, all right. Um,"
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"text": " something got to give I didn't gave you probably over 200 cards like this is no way you're not telling me nothing is like like because I don't even understand I don't even know what you're doing I just I just know like I am swiping it right you tell me how to swipe I'm doing everything this is not working and now I'm getting suspicious like all right you doing something funny so"
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"text": " My friend, he was supposed to get money from it too, from introducing us. So he's getting mad now too, you get what I'm saying? So we both go to him one day, we're like, listen, we're not doing this no more unless you cough up some bread. And he was like, yo, look, you could come with me and I'll show you. He was like, you could come with me, I'll show you. So"
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"text": " What he was talking about, he just wanted my friend to go with him. He didn't want me to come. So we all in the house and he was just like, all right, so we made a plan. Boom, we made a plan. He's like, yo, we're going to go this day. That day came, me and my friend thinking, we sitting in the house thinking that he talking about both of us. So the whole time he moving where? Like we walking downstairs. Like he moving like it's something wrong."
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"text": " But I wasn't supposed to be there. That's the that's the whole that's the whole reason why he why he moving like uncomfortable. So we get to the car. I remember it was like a little like an Audi, Audi SUV, silver, we sit in a car, we chilling, we talking, we like, all right, come on, like, like, let's go like, you got the credit card, right? And he like, Oh, yeah, but"
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"text": " It's nighttime, too. It was another strange thing. It was night. It was dark. And he was like, oh, yeah, but I only could bring you. I can't bring him. So my friend immediately at the time, he's like, oh, no, that's not going to work. He got to come. He don't want to get in the cars. Very genuine. I respect him to this day for that."
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"text": " He was like, oh, now he got to come along. If we go do this, he got to come. I don't even know what we about to do. I'm just going like I want money. I want money. And I know you said you're going to take us to get the money. I know we probably got to swipe the car somewhere. I know it's something in that nature. Still don't know too much about it. So"
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"text": " My friend ended up saying like, nah, we don't want to do that. So he ended up giving my friends a couple of cards and just like, you know what? Y'all could do it on your own. He got mad and just like, yo, y'all could do it on your own. Gave us some cards and just got out the car. We went back upstairs. So we just like, all right, cool. We take the couple of cards. All right, no big deal. We do it by ourselves. So the cards that he gave us, they like the blank cards. Like it was crazy. Like it's like the old white."
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"text": " The old white version with a magnetic strip on it. So mind you, at the time I'm like, oh, so this is how y'all do it. It's not supposed to look, I don't know nothing. I'm like a brand new person. Like I'm like, oh, so this is how y'all do it. Like it's a white card and y'all just swipe it like that. Like I didn't know you could put a actual bank logo on it and put some color on it and put numbers on it and everything. It was just a white, old white card."
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"text": " where it looked like a security card or something. So we took it, tried that McDonald's, didn't work. We tried it a couple of paces. We went to like a couple of other fast food restaurants, trying the other ones. We didn't work. We sit in there swiping like 10 white cards back to back lady. You know, it's people like us working in McDonald's at the time. They don't care. They just sit in there laughing. They don't know what's going on. The whole town, city, they don't, you know, nobody know about scam. And this is early, like when, when it first started in, in my city. So we"
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"text": " Long story short, I think from that day, we cut our hands from him. We ain't there with him. So I ended up getting fired from McDonald's. They found out I was stealing from the register."
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"text": " Thank God, that's all they found out. They said, listen, we firing you because you've been money been coming missing. And we don't even want to talk about it anymore. Like I just came in for work one day. No, I came into work. I remember I was about to leave. So when I was leaving clocking out, they said, listen, we don't want you working here no more. Things are going missing. That's in that nature. Things going missing. You know what you're doing. So the whole time I'm thinking like, damn, that they they know swiping the cars like"
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"text": " I'm going to have the police at my door later or something in case maybe, but thank God never happened. They just fired me, went about my way. So now I'm, I'm just, I'm just freelancing. I didn't graduate yet. Um, my friend that I was with, like my best friend, like basically the two people I'm talking about, they brothers. One is around my age, one is older, just so I don't have to keep explaining that."
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"text": " One name, one name is T. I'm gonna just say T. The other one is W. Wiz. T and Wiz. Because we was apart, but not too much. Like T, I went to school with him. I went to school. We did everything together. That's how I met him. And then I met him. I met his older brother through him. So"
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"text": " He was going to school at the time I wasn't so I'm in the house one day. And I remember when I had the black box, I remember flipping it over one day and I seen like a name on it. And I remember I took a picture of it. Like I took a picture of the name. It was a white sticker on a reader. And I was just in the house board and I typed that name I typed in everything I've seen on that stick. I just typed it in Google. Oh,"
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"text": " And I see the price for it and it wasn't that much it was like I seen one for like 100 then I see another one for like 80 60 around that price. So I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna order one But I don't know what I'm gonna do with it. I don't know. I'm just like I'm gonna order one So I order it whatever the case may be. It's on its way. Boom. I get the tracking information So I click on the YouTube videos for that go on YouTube type it in get a clear research and"
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"text": " So she talked to her, boom, talked to her. She come back to me. She like, she said she want to do it. I'm like, seriously? I'm like, all right, so let's, let's do it. So now it's my first time. So I'm like, all right, let's get it. So we meet up by the store before they open. I go there early, jump on a train."
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"text": " go over there boom give it a box told her how to work look and press this button on the side when it turned green when a green light the green light gonna pop up immediately when it turned green swipe the card like this boom make sure the magnetic strip is touching"
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"text": " the silver thing it's a little silver thing you got to slide across and when you look in the box you can see it but that's too much work trying to look between that little space the button just make sure the magnetic strip is always facing the button just an easy way to remember so she don't even have to look at it she could just fill it fill where the button is and know that the black part of the card i gotta i gotta swipe that way so if you swipe it the wrong way it's not going to read enough that you got to swipe it so it can read on a strip so explained it to her gave it to her boom"
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"text": " First day she had it. It was cool. Got a couple of numbers. I plugged it in the computer. Went home, took it, plugged it in the computer. Numbers pop up. Boop, boop. Just exactly how they explained in the video. Track one, track two. Some had track three. I didn't really know what track three was at this time. Still don't kind of know. It wasn't really a point, no. But got all the information."
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"text": " And I'm like, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. I'm looking through the numbers. No, I'm figuring out it's my first time seeing seeing the numbers. I see an example like how it's supposed to look like like fake random numbers like 12345678910 just just random. So I'm looking at real card numbers now. I'm like, OK, like this is how it is. Transfer it, copy all the cards, put it in the notes."
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"text": " took took one took one call number copy paste it on a writer because now you want to the writer put the put the information in in the writer but track one to track one it's like matching like like put the first information track one and track one put the information in track two and track two"
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"text": " and swipe the card, swipe it so, so it can write it, write the information on the card. So I did it, boom, write it. And then I read it again, switched it to read. So when you swipe it, it pops up and it tells you what's on the card just to make sure like, you know, it's good. Yeah. Boom. Did that. And I was excited. I was excited. Took like five more calls, swiped it, swiped it, swiped it, swiped it. Ran to my friend house. Like, listen, I got some calls. I swiped it."
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"text": " Let's go try it. Don't really have faith. I was excited when I did it by myself, but I wasn't too excited yet because I felt like it was going to be the same thing. Like what if he was telling the truth? Like I'm swiping the cards and they not working. So we go to McDonald's, same thing we did before. Go to McDonald's, swipe them. It went. And mind you, at this time, this is a big thing too. This is before they had chips on the card."
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"text": " Right. This is before, this is when it was just people had credit cards where you would just swipe and that's it. You either put in a pin number, if it's debit, credit, you just got to sign. Debit, pin number, credit, you sign. But even what I found out, even with a debit card, you can press credit still and it would charge the card just like debit. It would charge you as a debit. You just don't have to type in a pin number and you just sign. It's weird. It's just like"
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"text": " You could bypass the pin. You could bypass the pin number with no problem. It's just weird. It's just mind boggling to me at the time, because I couldn't distinguish what was a credit card and what was a debit card. I don't know what's Bank of America. I don't know what's Wells Fargo. I just know it's credit cards at the time."
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"text": " So, all right. Realize like the first few numbers. The first six numbers, the bin number, bank identification number. Yeah. So at this time, I know nothing. I'm just, we buying food at this time. We just buying food, testing them out. But they're happy. Yeah, they was working. Like they was working for food. Like we was happy. Like we was happy because you got to just think like we never,"
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"text": " got this to work we never had nothing free like this is it's like we struck gold like this is like when i brought it to my friend this is nothing that that nobody but the one stingy diggy dude he knew how to do it he didn't tell nobody like he he was to himself he didn't have too much friends so out of everybody we knew"
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"text": " And the people in our community that surround us, the people that we bump into, nobody is doing it. So we're feeling like this is our secret. You get what I'm saying? Like we struck gold. We struck gold, whatever the case may be. Do you keep going back to the chick, the Asian chick? Oh yeah. What are you giving her? At this time, I wasn't giving her nothing."
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"text": " Why I mean she's she's getting a number but we're not getting no money yet. Oh, it's just it's just we hamburgers and French fries We just happy that it's just working so boom so, you know Get for the box back or whatever the case may be she get a number So now this is when we think I'm like, alright, so so what can we do with it? We can"
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"text": " We immediately thinking like electronics, just just bigger items, just just bigger items. So if I could remember the first place we tried to. The first place we tried that I think it was target. It was target because we had to take the train because we didn't because I know we didn't have a vehicle at the time we have vehicles, so everything was just hopping on a train."
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"text": " Going to places, coming back, like the local train, not like the express train that go out of state. So we hopped in the train. I remember we went into Target. No, Toys R' Us. We went into Toys R' Us and the Toys R' Us, they were selling iPads at the time. So we picked up an iPad. We sitting there happy with the white card in our hand. We swipe it covering the whole card. Swipe it. Boom, decline."
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"text": " Oh, it probably only hit for food, getting discouraged. He was like, yo, try another one. Try another one. Take the other one out. Swipe the clock. Oh man. At this time, you get what I'm saying? We about to leave. We mad as shit. Yo, I'm not about to sit here. The lady looking suspicious. Um, so my friend that was telling me to swipe, like, like, like, try another one. He telling me like, yeah, like, let's go. Like, let's go."
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"text": " We're trying to get another time. I'm like, no, no, no. I'm gonna try one more for some reason. I'm like, I'm gonna try one more Swipe it boom approve. Oh Shit looking at each other. We cheesing from mouth to mouth happy"
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"text": " Running out with the iPad. So we running around the city. Now we get it. We like, all right. Cool. We didn't care about getting nothing else at the sound. Like, we didn't care about work. We just like, we had to find somewhere to sell this. We end up going to like the diamond district in New York City."
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"text": " It was like a bunch of Jewish people were like, you know, running around selling diamonds, but on Google and online, they always say like, oh, we buy electronics, we buy this. So that was a place a lot of people, a lot of people in New York went to, to like pawn stuff. So we went there, boom, gave us a percentage on it. We sold it, made some money. All right, like it works. It works. So boom. So"
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"text": " gave her the card, gave the girl the reader back. So now he's like, all right, we got to figure out like, like better ways how to how to do this. Better way we like, yo, listen, we go get a rental, we got a little bit of money."
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"text": " What's a little bit of money? 500 bucks? No, no, no. A thousand? So after we gave her the box, she was giving it back. We went back and forth with it. So that was our thing. We would just go to Toys R Us, or we would go to Target, because we didn't have Walmart and stuff. And we would just get one iPad at a time. We would just keep swiping cars to one work, and we would get an iPad. But it got to the point, the first car we swiped, and it's working."
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"text": " Like it and it was so stupid at the top and then it turned into like like quick like the second week I'll get one and he get one. So we we had a little money. We had a little little probably Like in the first three weeks probably like after spending money like Two thousand three thousand like little pocket money to run around with So he's we was okay. We was like, all right moving on"
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"text": " We was like no these white cars like like it was given us a problem now now they looking at them funny like like they they catching a glimpse and we went to one store one day and they and they called it basically there's like can I see the car can I see your ID this and on the third."
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"text": " And we was like, oh, um, um, uh, we made up some excuse. Can't remember. We made up an excuse, but we left. We, that was the first time like we heard them ask access for ID. So he was like, dang. And I was telling my friend like, like, yeah, I know. Like, like they, like, they got the real thing all along. Like they was talking about it where people could put their names on it or whatever the case may be. So we were just like, we got to figure out a way how to get our names on this card. So."
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"text": " Like I said, the, the, the Chinese girl that was getting a call. She was, I'm not going to lie. Shout out to her. She, she just going, she just, she just dealing with like the dumb shit that's going on. She dealing with taking it, not receiving nothing at the top. Did you ever pay her anything? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. But it doesn't sound like a lot. It sounds like you get, she gave her, you gave her 200 bucks. One time hamburgers."
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"text": " I came up with an idea. I'm in the house one day. I had my own personal car. I had a TD car. I had some prepaid cars with my name on it. I was like, what if I swipe these cars and put the information on my car, even though it's just two, three of them I have right now. It'll be good. It can match with my ID."
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"text": " The last four numbers that come out on a receipt, it's not going to match. It's going to be my original card number that's on my card, and whatever card number that I put onto my card, basically, I don't want to confuse nobody, but the information I'm putting onto my card, it's not going to match the same card number as"
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"text": " My original car. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, so I found that out. So I told my friends, listen, bring a couple of calls with your name on it to my house. I'm gonna put them on and this is how we go do it now. So we was just like, all right, we can't go to to the rest. We don't probably went to all of them. We scared at the time or whatever the case may be. So we came up with an idea. We like, yo, we're gonna start going to jewelry stores."
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"text": " like in the city, like jewelry stores, jewelers, and we were going there and we'd be like, oh, I got a graduation today, or just some event like my parents getting married, I just need a chain talking to them and jewelers in New York City, they greedy, they always try to, oh, listen, oh, these earrings go nice with that chain, you should get it too, and this and that and the third, and they very slick with their word. So"
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"text": " That end up going good. And with the jewelry store, you know, they're a little bit more smarter. It's not like, um, minimum wage workers going to work on toys. The rest, some of them is our age. These is like grown people that they more hip to like what's going on and stuff. So they were asked for the ID. This one, we started getting asked for ID to ask for ID. I give him the ID and I give him my TD card and he'll swipe it. Boom."
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"text": " He's just seeing if it's the ID is on the name and he swiped it to the numbers have to be perfectly because he doesn't really understand how it works."
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"text": " so it's legit like any way like he could tell a card is fake"
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"text": " No, it's a real card. I know it's a real card, but it's not your real information. It's not my real information. It's running through the system. It's charging John Doe's credit cards. Right. Right. So that was good. So we were satisfied with that for the moment. You get what I'm saying? Did you start hitting the Diamond District?"
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"text": " It was stores by the Diamond District we hit. We didn't hit the Diamond District directly because they know. They're the ones that buying. I guess they was doing this before. You get what I'm saying? But our neighborhood, we didn't really know too much. But I guess people been coming to them with like selling gift cards and iPads."
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"text": " We knew that they was buying stuff that we sell them, so we didn't really go to them to hit them, you get what I'm saying? Yeah, you don't want to burn your name up. Yeah, and it's just like, we figured they would know, like they would know as soon as we come in, because they kind of knew how we was getting the stuff. They knew we was using people's credit cards, so they hit to it, you get what I'm saying? They know we coming in, they have other people information, then they still get charged back and eat the payment later."
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"text": " So it would be like little stores like around the city like like like little small businesses we'll go for we'll never go for like no no high and we try to stay away from that like and that was from the beginning that was my thing from the beginning like all the big name brand stores that people after like started going to and like getting this and this and even with the clothes and the big name Louie Gucci I try to stay away from all those stores like anything that's too much attention. The small mom and pop stores."
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"text": " Mom and pops because they can afford it, right? You're a horrible person not because they can't afford it"
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"text": " Not cuz they couldn't afford it because they most like they most likely not gonna be as hip to it, right? They got more security in a big store. They got security worth the one in security goddess, but the mom and pop they can't they can't really afford security It's a messed up way of thinking you get what I'm saying But even at the time right we don't know about charge back. Yeah. Yeah, so in our head I"
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"text": " They're going to get paid. They get in the money. Yeah. Like, and we're not stealing it. We're not robbing them. Like, yeah, it's not our money. Like the person we seen as the victim, like whoever called it was like we didn't really see like the store like we like we like we found it helping them like like be happy that."
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"text": " We giving you business kind of like we giving you money regardless even though it's somebody else's it's not ours but we giving you one like that's how he's looking at it first start out like so so what happened so so we got a little money no that wouldn't go with the jewelry we end up getting jewelry i'm keeping some so we so now we got our little jewelry we heading up sleeker stores now we getting nicer clothes we our clothes was decent we wasn't like bag looking"
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"text": " It was decent, but we just had like so much clothes, like so much, all the new Jordans that came out, all of this, all of this. And like quick, like I'm talking about like within a month spent. So, so now we got money, boom, we got getting our little money. So now I could start paying a girl now. So now I go to pay her, like every week I'm giving her $200."
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"text": " $100 and it was okay. Cause like I said, even the money we was making then wasn't even too crazy, but she just happy. I know I'm poor girl. I know she was just happy because she's seen something like, like, all right now. All right. All right. Yeah. Got figuring it out. I believe in this. So we, so we got enough money to, um, to start paying her, started paying her like a hundred, 200 at a time and stuff like that."
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"text": " So we doing our little thing. We still going on. Boop, boop, boop. We just finding like new, new places to try it out. Um, we going to like little restaurants and you know, like, like just, just playing around with it, like getting money, playing around, getting money, playing around. So the next step from that, um, I was in my house one day and no,"
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"text": " I was walking somewhere and I walked past the bank. And when I got to the bank, I looked at the ATM and I'm like, I had calls on me and I'm like, let me try to put it in the ATM. I'm just curious. Let me just put it in the ATM, ask for the PIN number. I'm guessing the PIN number. Didn't work. Ended up blocking the card. You think you're going to guess the PIN number? I don't know."
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"text": " It's like a thousand or two way more than that drive out it 100,000 fucking guessing I guess is That was crazy, I don't know I don't know something was just fascinating like like I want the money out the car like the air electronics go selling them but like I like I want the money out the car like but I'm like"
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"text": " And then I started like Googling like, like, is it a way like in one of the tracks the track one track two or three, there's a show the pin number I'm trying to figure out how to find a pin number. Like, dang, there's no way there's no did don't come with the pin number. So it don't even come with the address. Like, like, that's a whole different kind of credit card you buy that come like with the address, stuff like that. I get into that later. But yeah, but"
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"text": " I was always trying to figure that out. So one day I'm sitting and I'm thinking, and I'm like, what if I tell this girl to write down the pen numbers? Because they got like a little keypad. It was like a little gray keypad. I remember I looked at it before I went in there. And it's like a little keypad in front of them."
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"text": " Prices and participation may vary while supplies last. Taxes, tips and fees extra. And it just got numbers. It got the red green button and it's just a wire to the register. I remember like it's nothing blocking it. It's not like a whole POS register, like where they got the little cover about a lot of numbers and stuff. It was just like a, just a keypad, like flat key, rectangle keypad. So I'm just thinking like, like, can she see the, can she even see it? I'm like, yeah, she can see. I remember working. Yeah, she, she,"
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"text": " she's looking right at it's like the keypad right there like she's right there or whatever. So I asked her I'm like I asked a girl that I was going through the talk to I'm like ask her if she could see the pin numbers and ask her if she interested in getting the pin numbers. For 200 bucks a week I'm not. Well she probably thinking like all right I could probably get some more money he thinking of something new. She doesn't know you. Yeah."
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"text": " So she came back to me and she was just like, yeah, she could get the pin numbers and stuff like that. So I'm like, all right, this is how she's going to do it. So you mean the CVV number on the back? No, the pin number to the car. Oh, when they punch in the pin number, I thought you were talking about the CVV number. I was like, that's not going to work."
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"text": " an ATM. No, no, no, no, I'm talking about the actual thing because remember I was at the ATM and I'm just trying to and then since that day I've been trying to like just find a way like even through the information if they could if I could find a pin number through some house right in this card on this box but I couldn't so I was so I came up with that idea so she came back to me she was just like yeah like she said she'll do it and I'm like all right that's what's up so I told her how to do it so I came up with a way I'm like um"
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"text": " Because she could, she could just swipe the cards, swipe the cards and write down pin numbers, but I'm not going to know which card does that pin number belong to. So I came up with an idea. I'm like, well you do one, two, if she does five a day, you know, she did number one, that's the number I got. Number two, that's the number, you know, right? I mean, or sometimes she gets them, sometimes she doesn't. But yeah, sometimes she get them, sometimes she doesn't."
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"text": " Show me get pin numbers because some people they use credit. So they write they just swipe it and then another thing sometimes when she swipe. It doesn't pick up like track to like what should the main information that you need for the for the car to work like she could swipe it but it's with like you don't swipe it right. It's not going to catch certain tracks like it might not crash track one or my or it might not catch track to so"
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"text": " It could be a swipe. It could be a time she swiped and it doesn't catch nothing and she thinks she swiped it. She doesn't know. It doesn't tell you. It doesn't. There's not like a light that lights up and says, hey, you got all of them. Yeah. Like, like, it was a successful swipe or nothing. Yeah, that's stupid. The only thing it was, it was just a brick. It was just a little tiny green, green light on the box that says it's on and it just blinks. Like, like it blinks when you swipe the card, it blinks, but"
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"text": " How she's doing it, she can't really look down. Like you could just fill it. All right, that's the button. All right, that's the card. A fill of numbers is supposed to be this way."
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"text": " Swipe it because they stand right in front of her. To this day, I don't know exactly how she was doing it, but how her workstation is set up is something in that nature. So I was just like, boom, that's what you're going to do. Since you swiped the card, you got the card in your hand, so you see the card. So I was like, remember the last four of the numbers?"
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"text": " and of that card and then remember the pin number and or just write it down somewhere act like you write in a receipt or something so when you swipe the card write down the last four numbers and if they got a pin for it write down a pin right next to that number so i know that pin goes goes goes to that card so when i go back and when i pull it up i look for that card number with the last four and i know all right this pin goes to that card right so"
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"text": " It was just a crazy out there. I'm like, I'm gonna just try it. See if she could do it. She could handle it. She's Asian, bro. She can do it. They're amazing. They're great mathematicians. Oh my gosh. Oh my good memories. That's crazy. I couldn't remember shit. I'd be like, you're lucky. I'm fucking able to swipe this thing. That's the crazy part. But like,"
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"text": " That was crazy. So I got the box back. She did it. I was happy as fuck. She was just like, Oh yeah, I got it. I was able to do it. I'm like, yeah. So I'm okay. She probably got a couple of them, probably four or five. I got the box back. She had like 15 cards were like pin numbers. I'm like, Oh, I'm just in my house shaking. I'm writing them. And I still got the, the no, no, no."
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"text": " Let me say this part real quick. So remember, we was running around swiping the cards and stuff. We needed more cards. So what I end up doing, I told you I have a TD bank card. I end up reporting a loss and then I order a new one. And then like, it was stupid. Soon as I get it, I reported loss and order a new one. So I had like 20 TD cards with my name on it."
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"text": " and it was crazy like they don't care they just keep sending you a new one but i had a bunch of td cards like with my name on it this way like if i was to ever get pulled over it would still look crazy like but i don't know it worked in store had my name on it that i didn't know how to print cards up at the time you get what i'm saying so this was my idea like or just order prepay cards and"
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"text": " That come with your name in the mail, just doing that, getting as much, trying to make it look like different colors. So it's not all just green cards in my pocket. So that was another thing. So I'm sitting there, I'm reading, I'm writing the cards. I'm happy as fuck. I got the pen. I'm just thinking about running to the ATM and just pulling out all the money off this card. What is an ATM? How much do they give you?"
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"text": " It depends. Some banks, it's different credit, different ATM limits. Well, Fargo, they would have the ATM limit. But if you had it for this long, your ATM limit might be longer than somebody who had it for only six months. Or if you just got the car, your ATM might be 500, his might be 1,000, his might be 1,500."
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"text": " It's different. It's different. Or somebody could just have an increase. They could call up and say, hey, I want to increase my ATM limit for this month or for this year. So you just never know. You never know. And there's some weird cards. Because, mind you, a lot of these, I ended up finding out, they foreign cards. They're not Bank of America. They like cards from people coming from China. Because the store she was working at wasn't Prado."
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"text": " rainbow like it wasn't a common like us stores like like it was like a weird store i think it was it was i don't even i don't even know but it was high end the high end store right like this is like people have money that are coming here they sell oakly shave they sell like like like yeah like like they like like they sell brand stuff that's"
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"text": " been passed down like G stars or they'll get some stuff from from certain like high-end stores and they're kind of like an outlet thing like yeah, it's brand names. It's brand names, but it's like it's the stuff that didn't sell but it's still brand name. It's got a discount brand right, but it wasn't like a commercial store. It was like a store like they only had like"
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"text": " for them and it was all on the same street like it was weird like they had these just send me to different stores and it was only for them like in the world like it's only for them and they all like and so it wasn't like a commercial place so a lot of foreigners I don't know attracted like a lot of tourists and stuff like so so so so yeah so so the car so a lot of the cars like like like"
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"text": " They would, they was, they was foreign. So who knows if they even have an ATM limit set on a cause some, some people cause this low risk. Some people cause this high risk, which, which, which mean like, like certain banks, like, like they will, they will have ATM limits and, and certain banks, like,"
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"start_time": 3538.097,
"text": " that you probably never heard of. They don't even know about it. Like they don't care for ATM limits. They don't want to put ATM limits on it. So what happened? So I print the cards up. I've run to the ATM. The closest ATM to me I could find. I started with the little ATM. You know the little ATM that be like in a store and it just say ATM. It's not a bank or nothing. I go to that. Another mom and pop guy that put it in there."
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"text": " I just run to the close. I was the closest one to me. It was like in a corner store. That was the closest ATM. I'm thirsty. I'll take a cab, run to the store, boom, put the ATM, put the pen in, heart beating, put $200. Money come out, boom, receipt come out. Oh wow, 10,000, 13,000, whatever it was on that first receipt. It was"
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"text": " It was a good amount. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm rich. I'm like, Holy shit. It tells you what their balance with the balance is. You know, we make a riff drawer and then they print out the receipt. How much you took out, how much is left? So I'm like, Oh shit, I'm rich. So my heart beeping money coming out. I'll put it in again. Another 200. I'm like, Oh, I'm gonna just stay here all day until I clean this machine, put it in again. You're a small business owners nightmare. What?"
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"text": " They hated me when I came in it and they started getting suspicious like it was it was it was crazy but good thing I stopped like I found out quick like this is not it so so boom so I'm withdrawing so on a third one it's a decline and I'm thinking like how did the car like it got all this money on it it's the client only third card or do you keep putting the same car oh yeah then you hit the limit right"
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"text": " It's it come up as fraudulent activity. Oh, well, you just hit up two for like three times in a row for 200 bucks. Yeah, something's wrong. Yeah, this dude knew he wanted $600. Why not go to your bank ATM and take out how much you need or why not get the 400 bucks? Wait two days or wait a day. Go back to another ATM. Boom. I know. I know. Right. I didn't know nothing about banks. I didn't know about ATM limits. I didn't try the next card."
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"start_time": 3667.756,
"text": " 400 bucks and then waited two days or waited a day like people don't you know, rich people don't check their balances every single day."
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"text": " It's before like a lot of the app stuff notifications. A lot of this wasn't around at the time. Yeah, they don't know for 30 days. So a lot of them is tourists. Right. So like I said, they bank statements probably back in China or Japan, Canada, wherever they came from. So not American. Doesn't matter. They don't live in hotels. Fair game. Fair game. So I thought I was doing something wrong, you know, so"
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"text": " I'll start acting like you feel bad now. No, no, no. I didn't feel bad. I'm happy, but I'm mad because I see all of this money. And you just made 800 bucks. And you're not paying this poor chick a dime. Poor chick. She's over there and you're like, hey, nice job, Lucy. There's an extra 50. And I got a McDonald's hamburger for you because we've been killing McDonald's with these"
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"text": " No. So what else? So what happened? So I go back home. I'm like, nah, like, like, it's, it's no way like I'm bad. Like, I'm probably think I gotta wait. I'm not angry. But like, like, I don't know, you know, there's 10,000. Yeah, like, like, like, like, yeah, yeah, I know. I know it's there. So so it's weird. It's like, I got the money, I got the pin number. And I'm thinking, like, that's all I needed. Like, Ron's not working. So"
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"text": " so i'm thinking i'm doing something wrong so i'm like yo what if i hit the big banks like what if i go to chase and go to they atm because that's the real bank or i go to bank of america and use they why am i using this little tiny atm where i could only check out 200 i could take out 500 because that was the atm limit like on a small one you only could take out 200 max so i'm gonna go to the big atm i can take out however much i want i can take out more money so"
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"text": " I take a couple of fresh cards. I take the old one with me the next day. Go to the big one. Try the old ones from before just to know just to make sure before I toss it didn't work. The client. One of them work. I mean number one of them work."
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"text": " I'm thinking that the other two cards is good. I'm still good. All I got to do is just come to a big ATM. That was the problem. So I remember Chase,"
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"text": " My sister had a chase or something and I asked her like how much like like like what's the max withdrawal you could take out she was like um she's at like a thousand fifteen hundred fifteen hundred or something like that but you only could take out 500 at a time that's how that's how she do it you could probably take out the whole 15 but that was the case so I put 500 no boom anything more than 500 they asked for the zip code I remember that's what they were asking for for chase"
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"text": " If you put withdraw amount, anything over 500, they actually type in your zip code. I don't got to, I don't got the zip code. So I was doing 500. So I put 500 and I got it."
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"text": " I did it again and decline and I'm still trying to figure it out like rise keep declining. Oh, well take out the next call 500 500 to the decline all of them keep declining I'm only getting but so much but I'm looking at all of the receipts and this I see balances some 8,000 4,000 10 20 50 I'm going like I'm I'm getting pissed off. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, alright, this is not working."
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"text": " So, boom, I go to the girl, boom, give her her money, her weekly money, boom, boom, boom. Thank you. I need more cards. And from now on, I need you to check their IDs to get the zip, their zip code. You know, she can do it. I should have. Lucy, Lucy's like that. I should have. I should have. It's your magic. You're like, hey, it's an extra 50. That gets you up to three hundred dollars a week."
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"text": " I just thought I was just doing something wrong at the time. So I started brainstorming again and I came up with an idea. I went to the post office before and"
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"text": " I got money orders, because if I got the pen, I could buy electronics, I could go to the store and just pay, but I could just do that with credit. So it didn't make no sense. So I'm like, what can I get money? I'm like, the post office, the post office. Oh, and I remember at the time, my one of my boys was doing the check shit with the check, like dropping checks on people accounts and stuff, end up learning about that later. So I would just back and forth with the tool. But"
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"text": " but when he used to drop the checks on people accounts and stuff like that and then in the morning when it clears before the bank knows it's a bounce check he used to go to the ATM take out the limit and then he used to go to the post office and get money orders and stuff and i'm like okay like i end up finding out like like that's how people cash out that's how people get to get money you get what i'm saying so i was just like oh i can go to the post office because"
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"text": " They get in the pen in a debit card from people. That's how I'm looking at it. They get in the pen in a debit card. I know it's a debit card because they type in a pen and if it's just credit, she wouldn't have the pen. So I'm gonna go to the post office. So I tried to cook it up. Got the box back from her obviously cooked it up. Went to the post office."
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"text": " um can i get i think i started low like an idiot can i get a five hundred dollar money order um yeah all right swiped your car swiped it put the pin number in and there's always a machine like it's a print the um the purple the purple number on the machine and they used to like put the money order in the machine or print and i just fell in love with that noise that came up"
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"text": " And I'm like, oh, OK, I'm not happy. I can get this from the ATM. I said, you know what? I needed two. She's like, you need two? I'm like, yeah, if you remember, I told you I needed two. I don't know if I forgot. I start acting like I'm on the phone. So I look like I'm doing more than once. For some reason, I used to always use this tactic. I get on the phone and act like I'm distracted."
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"text": " Just weird like I just felt like criminals like like they'll be sitting there like and just like just looking so I I try to act normal I feel like being on the phone with just normal like I'm just here just getting post office I'm on the phone chilling because I didn't know if I looked I didn't know if I looked at nervous right um so that was just one way I avoided looking at them making eye contact to be on the phone talking so I asked for another one boom another one goes through printing up printing up printing up"
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"text": " And I'm like, can I get another one? That doesn't look suspicious. Yeah. She looked up at me. She said, like, like it was, it was weird. She was just like, like, no, like she gave me one of them looked like something's wrong. Yeah. So she gave me, she put it like in the, in the, in the envelope, little post office envelope. And she just slid it to me, slid the receipt. She was just like, next, but I'm happy as fuck. I'll take it."
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"text": " Fuck it. I know it's another post office. Um down the street Get on the phone call a cab Go to the next post office Same card. Can I get a money order? Can I get a thousand same car? Approve Oh my god, so i'm going crazy, but it's still limits. It's still spending limits on cars ATM limits you got spending limits. So i'm still not hitting"
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"text": " The whole balance, I'm not clearing them. For some reason, I'm thinking about just cleaning them. Zero dollars and I'm satisfied. $7,000-$8,000 in some of these accounts. I can't leave money on the table. I only made $5,000 today. I can't live on that. Oh boy. So yeah, I did that boom. It was working. So then I just started going in with like with the other cars, that decline boom, like after a while decline."
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"text": " I got the thousand then it declined after I asked for 500 after I set the thousand it declined boom. So pulled out the next card."
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"text": " went to another place, went to another place, pulled out the next card, try out there, boom, can I get $1,500. Now I'm just straight going for $1,500. $1,500. Every time when I do two transactions for $1,500, $1,500, $3,000, it used to decline for some reason. For some reason, probably too much of the same number, the same transaction, something, something keeps flagging the card after $3,000. So I'm happy with that. I'm like $3,000 a card."
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"text": " fuck it like now i'm in business this is what i'm doing i'm getting these cards i still got the regular credit cards to go in stores to do this to play around but this is how i'm gonna do it two transactions fifteen hundred dollars had it down pat so i went home told my friend about it because now i need help because now i got a bunch of cards with pit numbers"
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"text": " They my best friends. I don't know nobody else. So I'm like, listen, I got some, I found something out. Listen, this is what we're going to do. Gave them like three cars, pin numbers each, cook they cards up and we just went out. Like we go out together and we just split up or we, some days we'll be together and we just all day money orders coming back. I remember coming back. I had these cargo CG star cargo pants, one pocket full of money orders."
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"text": " This pocket for the money, this pocket, this pocket, this pocket. It was, it was crazy. So what are you doing with these? You're depositing them in your bank account? No, so after I get them, so I would do 500, 500, 500. But before I was doing a thousand, a thousand is the most you could put on one US"
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"text": " Um money order that's the max so you can still pay for all of them in one transaction But you could divide them how much ever much you want. So At first I was doing a thousand a thousand thousand. Oh No, yeah thousand thousand Sometimes I split the last like it was different. No a thousand a thousand five hundred five hundred That's how I used to split up thousand thousand because it was five hundred to every thousand so"
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"text": " I used to go to the post office and cash them. Like you can go to the post office and just cash them. And it got the tool and a from. I put like whoever gave it to me, boom. And I'm putting my name. I didn't have no ID."
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"text": " Well, I mean, they don't, you would think that the credit card companies would say, Hey, he bought three or $4,000 worth of money orders. Let's track the money orders. But the truth is they just write it off. They don't have time to track it down. They're never going to get the money. They just write it off. They probably think it's fake. Anyway, who use their real name to cash your money. But they don't get that far. Like they typically don't, they typically don't investigate in anything that's under $10,000. Okay. You know, so, so you're the idea that different people,"
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"text": " Well, and you know, I have my buddy Zach. I mean, I've met a bunch of guys in prison that would get do the same thing the post office thing where they go to the post office and I used to always say like that's stupid like they'll just track it and they'd be like, yeah, but they don't like the whole thing is this to me like I'm not gonna use my name. I'll use a fake ID a fake this way. They'd be like I deposit them in my own bank account. Now Zach actually had somebody open up a corporate account and he would deposit in the corporate account but"
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"text": " typically, but he also had deposited tons of them in his own bank account, his wife's bank account, friend's bank account. They never once ever went back to his bank or showed up and said, hey, this was bought using a fraudulent credit card because once you buy that,"
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"start_time": 4436.852,
"text": " That is a thousand dollars. It's done. Doesn't matter if they can track it doesn't matter for some reason. They just don't follow up on it. They can't cancel it even if they find out I didn't have money on a sitting because it's it's cash like it's actually it's actually a monetary a US government monetary."
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"text": " document or whatever you want to call it note and so they they leave like they just can't they could to me they could track it back and be like hey here's the bank let's go investigate okay who did it they could but they don't like why they don't that to me is so stupid but they just don't i've never met one guy that's done something similar to this with those that they ever track them down it doesn't even make sense it's like you don't even give a shit"
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"text": " Like, I mean, don't you want to catch these guys? Like you keep talking about it. Keep saying, oh, we got to stop fraud. Well, maybe look into these postal money owners. And allegedly from the post office. Yes, as good as gold. It was the amount we took altogether. It's crazy. I don't even want to estimate the amount like on camera, but it was crazy. Like altogether, like how long we run it off. It was crazy. Like I'm talking about we coming back with pockets."
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"text": " Everything for till we had to start carrying book bags because it's just like crazy in our pocket. Book bags full of cash. It got crazy. Like crazy. Like coming home, 10,000 money orders, 20,000 money orders and money orders. Yeah. So it was, it was, it was, it was a ride. So how long did this, this lasted until the girl quit her job and said,"
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"text": " I got a better paying job. It pays me an extra $300 a week. So this house younger quit. So we doing all of that. I'm telling you the money we make it. I'm still bringing her the same bullshit. I'm still bringing her the same bullshit. I swear I could at least gave this girl $1,000. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest way. It wouldn't affect me even $5,000 a week. And she would have I don't know what"
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"text": " I was 19. That's all I could say. I don't know what I was thinking. If I didn't understand business and how it worked, how to keep something going, it would have been different at the time."
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"text": " I was just greedy. I'd never seen any money like this ever. I thought I'd cheat in life. I'm like, this is going to be my life forever. I'm going to do this forever. I'm going to just keep doing this until I get a million dollar house. 19. This is a 19 year old. I'm going to get a car. I'm going to get married and I'm going to just do this forever."
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"start_time": 4602.79,
"text": " This is what my mom said at the time. I didn't care if I was blowing through money. I was running through the money. I was just burning. So what happened with her? What happened? So we're doing that on and on, doing the money orders. How did this go on? This goes on for like a year. I go drop off the box one day and she tell me, I don't want to take it."
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"text": " And I'm like, like what happened? She was just like, um, I quit my job. Like I quit. I don't want to work no more. And I was just like, fuck."
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"text": " She was just like, I don't know. I don't know. But I'm chilling right now. I could just tell she was just avoiding it. I ended up finding out she didn't quit. She was working there still a little bit more longer, but that was her excuse. That's why she was just hesitant about everything. Like, oh, I don't want to do this no more. Something spooked her. Yeah, something, something."
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"text": " She ain't want to do it. But I felt like it was the money because she kept asking for more. I'm like, oh, that's all I got. I remember she used to ask me like, oh, like, like, oh, I'm giving you this card, you getting pin numbers. She probably thinking like, I'm going just to the ATM. So like, in her mind, she think I'm giving you all these pin numbers, all these even if you go into the ATMs getting $200 on each card, like I know you get more than this. She don't know I'm with my friends. She just think this all for me. So her mind, she she's just like, it's not adding up."
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"text": " I guess that's why she ended up not doing it, which I regret. I regret. Oh man, if I can go back in time. Poor Lucy. I regret it to this day. But that happened. That's when I brought my first car for them. I brought an Affinity, a G35 at the time. I had bad credit, so I went in a Maserati when I first went there."
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"text": " And he was just like, Oh, you're going to have to put half of it down. I'm like, I don't want to put half of it down, but I can't put this much like your credit credit. He was like, listen, just take this G 35. And once you make a couple of payments on this, just bring it back and then we can put you in the Maserati. So I don't know. It was just like the most."
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"text": " nicest car he had in that lot. And how he caught us, he was like, I remember we were just driving one day, oh, it's a sign that said $500 down, you can get a car. I don't know anything, anything, no knowledge about buying cars. And after I just see $500 down to buy a car, you make payments, it sounded good. So I went there, I acquired about a BMW, I seen that first in the front."
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"text": " Um, and I couldn't get that credit. I'm young. I don't got no credit. I acquired about the Maserati after he stuck me with the affinity. So he just wanted to put me in a car and just push me out of there. So I'm like, I took the affinity. I'm like, cool. I'm like, I'm gonna make a bunch of payments. Don't worry about it. I'm gonna finish paying this car off like"
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"text": " In a couple of months, I'm coming back for that Maserati. By the time I come back with this car, I might not even have payments. So you don't got to worry. I might bring this car back, pay the full and grab the Maserati. So the day I got my car, the day after I went to get for the, I was going to pick it up. And when she gave it to me, that's when she told me like, yeah, I'm quitting and stuff like that. The first thing I thought about, I just burned through most of this money already. And"
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"text": " You took him out, you quit. And I just like, in my head, I didn't tell him, but I'm like, I just bought a car. Like you can't quit now. I got payments. I want a Maserati. You go to fire somebody. They're like, I just bought a house. My wife, my wife is pregnant. What do you can't do this to me? I was just bought a car. I just brought it. I just like not even a week. I had this car and you telling me this immediately. I just, I had just went to the car like bang. I was thinking about the payments. Like,"
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"text": " It was stupid. It was stupid. So what happened? You got to just got to go get a job. You go get a job. I'll work at job making fucking shit money. If I'm making an extra, you know, $40,000 a week, you know, I'll go get a job working at and I'll go find a good job. I'll be like,"
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"text": " Of course, I mean, now, but at that time, I'm like, I got this going on. I don't know. In my head, I was just thinking, I don't have to work for the rest of my life. Like I like I like I cheated life in my head. I know. But like, you know, it's sometimes you got to put in a little effort and fraud, you know, I mean, it didn't work out. Yeah, we got the car payments coming up. We got to get back in there. Right. You know, so we got to go get a job like,"
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"text": " Somebody does one of these one of you or one of your buddies one of your buddy. Yeah for the car. Oh, yeah No, not to fucking go legit. Nobody's going legit at this point. No, we don't go legit till we go to prison It's not 200 miles straight into the fucking wall, bro. No, right, right. Oh"
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"text": " Somebody we got to everybody's got to start putting in a application. Somebody needs a cashier job at a decent place where they're not a bunch of knuckleheads buying hamburgers. I need people that are buying real shit people to come in here that have money, right?"
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"text": " I need a bunch of older white, white women that come in here, you know, that look like they're driving BMWs and that's where we need her card. Yes, ma'am. I got it. Okay. No, I there's something wrong. It's not going through. Can I have your card real quick? Thank you. Boom."
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"text": " Hit the button on the cap go straight through there you go. Thank you. Right mrs. Johnson Couple of weeks later. You're gonna see some crazy Transactions pop up you get the job you work there for two months And then you quit the job and then you get another job because what you don't want to do is for some you don't want some do-gooder fraud guy in the fraud department to put this together and you know what we got a bunch of fraud that's happening and"
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"text": " And we're running it through LexisNexis and there's other fraud going through."
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"text": " And all of these cards are going this fraud is going through at this location like it takes six months to a year for them to figure that out. Oh, you did it for 60 days quit that job go get another job and I can get another job. Why because I have experience. Yeah, I was just working at Louis Vuitton. Yeah, you know, so you going y'all right. I currently work at Louis but be honest with you. I just not happy there. You go get another job, you know, then you do that for three or four months and you quit that job and you go and at the whole time you and your buddies are out at night."
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"text": " Hey, can I get $1,500 in money orders? You know, you're doing that on the I mean, granted, you're gonna be you're gonna be working 80 hours round the clock, but it's worth it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie to this day. I never I haven't met or seen anybody that was getting the pin numbers the way I was like how people do it. I hear now it's like, you know, the gas stations like they"
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"text": " They got the keypad so they can tell what numbers you're pressing, but like with a black box, all the stories I hear like, oh, I gave it to somebody like in a drive through, they swipe cars and we just go swipe and it's credit. I never, and I was always interested. Like I wonder if I've run in or cause I watch, this is what I like. I watch podcasts about like fraud all the time. So."
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"text": " I was just trying to look, I haven't seen, I haven't heard about it. So what happened since then? So I got the black box, you know, it was just a couple left. We ran up a couple of cars that was on there. I told my friends at the time that they're gonna find out now. But like I said, we no longer friends right now. But it was a couple of cars left. I just told them like, yeah, she just held it and she ain't"
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"text": " She ain't do nothing with it. So I had a couple of cars left, but I had to figure out what I was going to do. You get what I'm saying? So I kept that one to myself. Like, all right, this money, whatever I make off this, this is where I got to figure out what I got to do. So the whole pin thing was cool, but like I said, it didn't last long. So now I got to get money, how we was getting it before. Now I just got to buy stuff and now I got to work."
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"text": " Before I wasn't working, it was just handed to me. Now I gotta go out there and now I gotta work for the money. It was annoying. I think T or Wiz have to go get a fucking job. That's what I think. Somebody needs to start flirting with some cashiers. I gotta flirt with some cashiers. I gotta get in good with one of these chicks. That's what ended up happening."
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"text": " So you know at the time I'm making money you get what I'm saying I wasn't too like before this whole credit card thing I wasn't like you know like really outside I wasn't like really talking to females that much but like since this thing happening you know I'm posting nice pictures now so I'm attracting people now so so around this time you know I got"
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"text": " A couple of wasn't too much at this time was a couple of females that I'm talking to head and the case may be so, you know, I start asking around like, oh, you know, somebody working a job, you know, get the word. I'm telling my friends don't try to get somebody who will work on a job and we just went running. So it wasn't long."
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"text": " It was quick like we like yo, we paying this much We know what to do with the cards ready. This is how much we paying now Just tell them just tell them a thousand suddenly giving them a thousand a week swipe cards It was never really old you you get this much for this card. No, we wasn't doing it We just like yo, we giving you this much flat rate. We flat rating people you getting this much for For whatever you do for today, whatever the case may be which was stupid cuz it's just like horrible Yes, the girl could give you a thing with she could dig it"
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"text": " Right. And it's 20 if you got the pen and I'll take it. By the way, if the pen doesn't work, like you just think I'll get cute and make it up. Well, then next week when you give me the 50, I deduct the 20. I deduct if the card didn't work. Right. But yeah, like I said, like I wasn't thinking too much in the business. Like I thought it would have been a great idea. If I told them that, they'd be like, all right, so now they determined to swipe"
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"text": " Every card, they're not just there. I know I got to do this until he's satisfied and he's going to give me the same price, no matter how much I get. But for some reason, they was doing good. Without the disparate card, they was doing wonderful still. Thank God. I don't know what type of feedback I was dealing with at the time, but they was doing good. I remember I had one in Starbucks. It's like a million of them in New York City, millions of them."
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"text": " So I gave it to her, boom, I remember I had one girl working at Starbucks, getting a couple of cards. So, you know, we just rolling out, we rolling, we working. And we now I got a car. That's another thing. Now I got a car. So now I can move around a little farther, I can stretch my arms a little farther. So"
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"text": " My friends, they end up getting like they rent tools. I get my car. I'm giving them their cars. And mind you, I'm just doing this off the wrist. Like I'm just doing this. Y'all my boys. I'm just going to always throw y'all cars. I'm always making sure y'all, y'all okay. You get what I'm saying? Just the type of person I was. Like I said, I don't, it's not like I'm with this set of friends this day and that set of friends."
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"text": " 24 hours the stony people out there with so it was just like that, you know, it's boring you making money by yourself Like like it's whack. Do you want to go out? You gotta always pay for everybody. Let me just make sure y'all straight So you get what I'm saying? So even if we go out and have fun, we can all have fun together. We can all chip in together It's just not me all the time. So so we so we doing that we hitting more stores and stuff like that and then I'll be number one day"
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"text": " I went to the Diamond District, we was bringing them iPads and stuff, bringing them iPads, iPhones, and he was just like, oh, you can't get gift cards? And I'm like, what kind of gift card? He's like, any gift card you get is good. This, I'm going to pay you this amount. Like if you get a high end one, like Louis Vuitton gift card or like Target, I give you like 80%, 85, 70 for certain stores. Like he had a list on his wall."
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"text": " this with the store name and the percentage he's given for the for the gift cards. So at around this time too, it was"
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"text": " For some, it was just weird. It was just like an epidemic of scamming in Brooklyn around this time. Like little people started finding out about it and it started becoming a little bit more of a thing. Not where everybody ended up doing it, like to the point that it got to, but it started becoming more of a thing. So now other people talking. Now I'm hearing what this person doing, what that person doing."
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"text": " All right, so boom. So he said he wanted gift cards. All right, cool. Get in a box, get in the gift cards. I brought him high end gift cards at first. He took them. It was okay, cashed me out."
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"text": " brought them, brought them, brought them the gift cards. And I remember it was a time he, no, it was a time we couldn't get the gift cards no more. Like, they started becoming harder to get because now when we going in the stores, like, soon as they see us walking to the gift cards out, they listen, we know what you're doing, or we put gift cards on cashier, listen, we know we're doing somebody just came in,"
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"text": " just a couple of minutes or yesterday. It might be you. Did you come in here yesterday? I remember you. You were saying yesterday doing this. Like I said, now it was starting to become a kind of a thing in Brooklyn. So it was great. So"
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"text": " You got to go to Manhattan. You got to go to New Jersey. That's where everybody going. You got to start going to that's where everybody go because the closest fly into go to Dallas, go to Houston, go to some places, you know, if I have to jump on a plane for a day, I'll rent a hotel like I mean, you know, right, we got to make keep this thing going. Right. But"
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"text": " But I was just going to say it's funny because every time you say, man, you got to do this. And then you say, well, yeah, that's what we're talking to do. Yeah. I mean, like, like, like, like, it got there eventually. But I was making money at the time. Like, like, if it was ever a thing, like where I couldn't make money here or like, it wasn't like, it was just becoming more difficult. It was just becoming a little bit more difficult at this job. Yeah. Yeah."
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"text": " It wasn't just walk in, just get it, leave how I used to be. Maybe I might get it from here. Maybe I might get it from here. So one day I'm talking to him and no one day before I started talking to him, I went in a fast food place before and I was just getting food, just getting food and I seen a kid. He was in front of me and"
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"text": " He's buying food, but then he it was Chipotle. He's buying food, but he also go to the gift card, right? And he's buying Chipotle gift cards Again, he getting food gift cards. What's he what what what can he be doing with this? You get what I'm saying? Some people use them for gifts. Yeah, but he's getting a lot. Yeah, okay He's bringing them up"
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"text": " I mean, from where I'm from, at the time, it's just like, oh yeah, I know. I'm looking at him, yeah, Dior, Givenchy, yeah, I know, yeah. You could tell. Like, when we run into each other, we could tell, like, oh yeah, you know, you know what's going on. Yeah, like, it's really like that. I swear to God, anybody watching this, they would..."
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"text": " they'll be like yeah like you just know like like yeah you you know what's going on so what happened so boom so he's getting a bunch of gift cards i'm watching them i'm watching them and it's and it's just laid in my mind i'm like okay that's interesting i wonder who's who's buying those gift cards from him because that's easy fast food that's"
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"text": " That's easy. Like, you know what I'm saying? You're not dodging, lost prevention, LP in a store. You're not worrying about if they got cops sitting in a camera room. It's fast. It's like, I like zero risks. Like, I go for zero risks. Nobody at Panera is gonna come fucking jump over. There's not a SWAT team waiting in the back of Panera. That's what we want."
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"text": " That was another spot for me. Panera. All right, so boom. So I see what he did. I go to my person, boom, dropping off my regular Alpads and stuff. It's getting harder. It's getting less and less and less. I'm like, yeah, they're getting harder to get. He's like, yeah, so much people coming and dropping off the Alpads. Jewish guys, all these guys is Jews, like straight Jews. I end up- I pictured the Jewish guy, like the Hasidic one with the curls. Yeah, exactly."
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"text": " With the white button off, black pants, shoes, black shoes on. Yes, yes. Oh, yes, it's very bad. They cropped. They is criminal. Very bad. That's Indian. Sorry. That's what I knew. Like, all right, this when I first went to the restaurant, like, like, all right, this world is bigger than what I thought it was. Like, like, like,"
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"text": " Like, I don't know, like, I just had a whole agenda, like, like, and I really be like, this is how y'all making your money, like, I probably use any shops, money laundering, I started thinking crazy, because it's just like, it was crazy. It was just like, back in the day, I wouldn't think y'all y'all type of people would deal with us. You get what I'm saying? But"
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"text": " But now I'm seeing how things work. You know what I'm saying? I'm dealing with y'all. Y'all paying me. Y'all know something is funny. Like y'all know, we never really talked about like, yeah, I'm taking credit cards. And I'm, you know, I'm the stuff I'm bringing from credit card. It's like, they know, like, they know, of course, they know, you're bringing me first, I did it. But after I kept going, it's just like,"
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"text": " It's plausible deniability. They don't, you don't talk about it because of that way. If I ever get questioned, I can be like, what are you talking? What are you talking about? Nice guy. They used to bring me the cards at a discount. What do you mean? They was buying them with fake credit. No, I don't know. I take the cards. I put them on their website. I don't know. I thought he was a, I thought he had an in right now. Yeah, he's, that's how he was going. So I'm dropping off my stuff to him."
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"text": " And I talked to him, I'm like, you take fast food gift cards? He was like, yeah, but I only could do 50% on those like, like why you can't get the regular gift cards? I'm like, no, I'm just asking. It was hard for me to get at the time, but I ain't want to like, disturb him or something. So I'm like, I'm like, no, I'm just asking. So I'm like, if I bring you them, you go take them. Like, yeah, I'll take them. No, it was 60% at first. I ended up going down to 50 when I started going somewhere else. But I'm like, okay, cool. So"
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"text": " left boom. So I started trying it out. I'm going to McDonald's. Going to McDonald's trying I'm trying to cars boop, boop, boop. And mind you at this time, I'm still using the cars. That's why I want to get too deep in a conversation because I'm still using the cars with my name on it. Like like my personal cars. I didn't know about the the making cars like with the same numbers of who cars it was. That that come later. But um,"
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"text": " I'm running around now fast food restaurant McDonald's Starbucks, I hop Applebee's like I need any fast food Boston Market was another big one. So I'm going I'm getting a fast food. So so I'm killing it. I'm killing I'm driving from"
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"text": " from New York to damn near Connecticut like like all the surrounding states just fast like and there's so much fast food it's fast foods everywhere so I'm just on Google Maps next stop look up the fast food I'm marking them right I'm gonna start up and I'm just gonna keep driving to here but I'm gonna hit everyone and I'm gonna remember everyone and I'm gonna go in a pattern so I don't miss not one fast food just type it all y'all do is type in fast food and all the fast food so I'm just going"
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"text": " One, one, easy, easy, two hair, two hair, three hair, not trying to cause too much suspicion. I'm coming back with"
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"text": " three, four thousand on a calm day. If it's a good day, I'm out all day. It was like, it was worth it. Like the 50% that I thought it was bad. It was just like, it's so easy to get these. So I was doing that for a while. I was doing that for a while. That was one of the ways I'm still doing my little things here and there. When I get a can, if I drive by a CBS, pick up a vanilla car sometimes."
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"text": " You get what I'm saying like, but that was my bread and butter. So if you're getting $3,000 a day, five days a week, that's $15,000, half that's $7,500. That's $7,500. That's $30,000 a month. Plus all the salad shit I'm doing still. So it was good. Right. It was good. That's what I'm saying. And it was easy. Like I like, I don't like running from... That's almost $400,000 a year just on fast food. I swear to God."
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"text": " I swear to God, he's got like a website. He's got to have a website or something. Yeah. He basically have a website. So basically it's where like, like he owned a jewelry store downstairs. Then we go upstairs and he had like, I remember he had this big giant safe. He used to always open up and there would just be stacks of cars, stacks, stacks. Like it was, it was crazy."
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"text": " It's to the point every number one time he would tell me like yo slow down on Starbucks or slow down on these ones or slow down on these ones because I can't I'm not selling them like that you get what I'm saying then like even how that ended like it came to a point like he was just like all right the fast food like after a couple of months he was just like all right the fast food is"
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"text": " Yeah, like you could stop like I got enough here to last me probably for the rest of this year like like it's ringing too much. It makes sense. And then what ended up happening I guess."
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"text": " If they don't show up or I don't, I don't want to make you run away from me. I want to still do business with you. So I'm going to still pay you, but I'm going to just give you probably like 25%. Like, like when you come, just so you can make up the ones that's dead. Right. So I was doing that like for a while, didn't last long, like a couple of weeks and everything was just dying all of a sudden, not everything, but like a lot of stuff, like a lot of cars was just dying. I'm like, yo, you sure you like, like, and it's,"
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"text": " It's no way I could really know. I'm just taking his word for it at the time. I'm like, I'm like, all right, if that every time I bring him something, he would tell me to last bash that down before that. And it was just like, I'm done with this. Get I'm saying I'm going back to what I know, and stuff like that. So I remember one of my boys came to my house one time, right? He also was dealing with the credit card stuff. So he came to my house. And at this time, I was like, like,"
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"text": " I figured out how to make the cards with the printer. It was like this big printer, bigger than a usual printer, and they use it to print IDs."
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"text": " Right. But this printer. This is the Fargo. Is it a Fargo one? I mean, they have different ones. I just know this. The Fargo one is one of them. But the one I had exactly, it was like some aftermarket Chinese one. Like it was more of a cheaper one. Like that was the first one I figured out about that I could get some of them. You got to go through like businesses and you got to have certain qualifications. The Fargo was a good one. I remember I was like one of them cheap dudes like, yeah, I got money. I don't want to"
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"text": " I don't want the Fargo and I felt like if this could do the job and if I could stay away from the Fargo, then I'd do it, which it did, it did the job. So they got a bunch of RD makers, so much, over 100, 200 different ones. But I bought an RD maker, started learning from the internet because I didn't have too much people around me."
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"text": " Telling me like you do this do that. I didn't really learn how to do this So I'm just figuring it out testing printing stuff seeing how they come out Messing up figure it out So I basically figured out I figure out how to make the face how to put like the the bank face on a car Got that down pack and then it was something else called the"
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"text": " It's called the emboser. It's like a big emboser. So it's just what it is. It's just like a big wheel. It's like a machine with a big handle on it. And it got like numbers, letters, characters on it, upper case, lower case. And that's just to embold the car."
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"text": " Indent the numbers from under the cards basically lift this lifting the plastic up to put the numbers in So it's like this little tray you slide it in boom put it in Punch in the name punch in a name your name usually all capitals use the capital letters punch in a name then they got the expiration date slide the card over and this it's like practice because it's not like a grid like you got to align it on a"
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"text": " on a little tray and slide it in and hope and just hope like where the number is being punched is where it's supposed to be on the card but at the time and time practice like you figure it out like you figure it out all right I'm supposed to push it in this much or I'm supposed to move the card this much to type right here on the card if I want the numbers right here this way I got to move the card such and such put the expiration date card number"
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"text": " and the name at the bottom. Figured that out and I was okay. So I got the emboser, the ID maker, found out one of my boys, he was making IDs for his check thing. So he gave me the software to make the ID. So I was making IDs. I was making a bank face. I was good. I had all that. The only thing I was missing was a tipper. That just like just to make the numbers you pushed up. Instead of being the color of the card that it is already, it would be like a gold"
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"text": " Like the numbers would be gold or silver and stuff like that. Then I got the hologram. Like it goes deep. You call it a hologram. They like the little stickers, but I really like the stickers too much. But sometimes I even need to stick us. They, they not really, I'm not, like I said, like when you go in and high end stores and stuff, are you trying to really the stuff I was doing at the time? I ain't really need too much. So I put the sticker on it. Boom."
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"text": " It was okay. And then it was like the UV thing. I didn't get that. It was like the UV thing for the card where they put it under the light. It's supposed to show like a like a hologram, like Visa or Master. I'm gonna get too far if I go into that. So so so basically got that down pack. So at the time, a few people from like around the way a couple of my friends I went to school with they started figuring and they started figuring out like like what we was doing."
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"text": " so so they was coming to my house or whatever like not coming in my house but like coming to my house they would be like yo i want this car pressed up and i was just basically like they was paying me to like make their cars for them or whatever the case may be they'll come with their numbers and they trust me not to use like their numbers information i put it on their car give it to them and i was i was good at this time at this time too um i wasn't i wasn't dealing with the starbucks person i found out about the"
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"text": " the dark web. So once I found out about the dark web, I found out it was a site called Joker, Joker CC. It was like a great site, like one of the top sites at the time, like all the heavy scammers and stuff like that. Like you needed like an invitation to even get on a site. Like you just can't go on a dark web, go on the iron and just"
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"text": " Sign up and make an account a lot of most of the sites almost 99 percent of sites you can but for this site it was joker people know like if you You you know, if you know joker, you know joker joker stash They they got rated by the feds and everything. It was like a Bunch of Albanians some guys like they like they got rated. It was a big thing the website shot down They said he made over certain billion dollars and and that was it like I don't know he went missing"
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"text": " Um, I don't know what happened with his case, but he went missing out that he made a lot of money like when they when it was all said and done. But, um, so people was coming to my house. Like I said, I was getting my numbers on the dark web at the time. Um, found out about the dark web. So one day one of my boys, they come to my house and regular listen, I'm about to go to Miami or whatever the case may be. I need you to print print these cards up for me. So"
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"text": " I print the cards off of him, make the cards, give it to him, send them about his way. And what was it? He didn't pay me. He didn't pay me. He was like, I'm gonna pay you in cards. Like he gonna throw me a couple of card numbers if I do it for him. So I said, okay, made him his cards, gave it to him."
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"text": " printed up my cards that he gave me just to see so I didn't touch I put my cards to the side I know they good printed up the cards he gave me went to go like test it out real quick like on a parking meter or something none of them is working not one not one and he know who he is too funny guy but oh my gosh but I was mad so I'm mad I go to the house this this is this is the highlight I go to my house"
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"text": " I'm mad as shit. I'm calling him. Yo, why none of these cars work? Oh, I don't know. I don't know, bro. They supposed to work. I'm like, okay, like, okay. All right. All right. All right. Cool. Hang up the phone. That's not his first time doing something funny. Like he a little sketchy guy. You always doing a little sketchy shit. Like, so"
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"text": " I go on a computer, I got the numbers, I just printed him. I still have them in my computer. So I'm like, all right, you want to play this, play these games? And he know I told him about this. Like, now, I'm like, you want to play these games? I'm gonna print all your cards that I just made for you. Because you got to wait till Miami to go use them. I could use them right now. So I'm like, I'm gonna get my money. I think I only printed like three, like he brought like six of them."
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"text": " only printed like half of them. I'm like, I ain't gonna violate all the way. I'm gonna just take what I feel like I deserve, take my three cars and I'll be all right. So I take the three cars, I go out doing my fast food thing. I remember the first spot I hit, I went to the city, hit up a Starbucks, $700 gift card. And I'm like, you know what? As a matter of fact,"
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"text": " yeah yeah this is because you see this is before he dubbed it this is before like um remember when i said that that he stopped taking the food gift card this is like right before like like this is when it got bad this with the eye hop and stuff so so this probably lasted like about two three weeks so i'm going and i usually go with one card and i keep using that card to the decline so i so i"
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"text": " So I hit Starbucks boom go to the next Starbucks boom this time I'm just hitting just straight Starbucks Starbucks Starbucks Starbucks I'm hitting stores hitting stores hitting stores and by the time I got to the tenth store This card is still going Never happen. I never probably get past five stores with one card. So I paid no mind. I'm going I'm going I'm going I'm going I'm going"
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"text": " Still going, still going. And then now I know about the BIN number, the first six. If you start with a three, it's American Express. If you start with a six, it's a MasterCard. If you start with a five, it's a MasterCard. If you start with a four, it's a Visa. The first number, if you start with a six, it's a Discover."
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"text": " So it started with a three. So I'm like ice American Express. So I know it's a credit card, but it's just going so I run through ten more stores It's going I'm going through the whole night. I didn't switch cars. It's just going going so to the point I just stopped I stopped using the card. I'm like, let me just see if these other car work I'm using the other cars. I'm going I'm going I'm going night force end of the day. I can't get no more go in the house and"
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"text": " And I'm just, I'm baffled. I'm like, wow. I'm like, yeah, these cars gonna be off by tomorrow. Go to the bump, boop, drop, called off, go back on the road. Same thing, hitting, hitting, hitting. Now I started a little earlier because I'm trying to see something. It's just going, going, going, going, going, going, going."
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"text": " It's not declining. So I try to when I didn't use that they all American Express They all start with threes and for some reason they all got the same bin number They all start with the first six six digits. So they don't they all the same kind of car so So I see that I see the pattern. I'm like, okay, so I'm going going I'm using a third one now going it's working. It's working. It's working. It's working. It's working"
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"text": " I'm like, oh shit, end of the day, nothing decline, nothing decline. My mind is blown. I go so I'm like, all right, so now the next day, I pack a bag up. I'm like, I'm about to take this to the moon. I don't fully understand what's going on. Yeah, I'm like, I'm about to take this to the moon. So jump in my car, pack a little bag. I jump out. And my wife at the time, my wife now,"
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"text": " But my girlfriend, she was my girlfriend at the time. I remember we left out, I'm like, yo, listen, we about to go do something. Like, I'm about to go out, about to work. I got these cards that's, I don't know, that they freaking, they moving like black cards right now. I need to go fix something up real quick. So I go out, boo. And I'm just ripping. Start with Target ripping, iPads ripping, ripping. I'm trying to"
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"text": " Decline the card at this point just to see like like what can I max it to got two iPads ringed up gold got four iPads one place goes And I'm just working work in the car work in the car get a hotel for the night. Oh use the car That was nothing. I was a hotel Junkie like I was always in and out of hotels with the credit card. So I go in the hotel boom and"
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"text": " Next day, going again, going again, going again. These cars is just going, going, going, going. To this day, we still talk about this. This is great. So I called my friend called me. And I already know what he's calling me about the one that I made the call for. I know he called me about because by this time he had already got to Miami. He already doing this thing. He's like, yo, bro,"
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"text": " Yo, yo, yo, bro, those cars, you printed me up. He was like, so they're going crazy right now. And I'm like, I'm like, what the cars? And I'm like, which ones? And he was telling me like, like the last four are the ones. But he was like, Yeah, I tried, I tried all of them. But but these the ones I'm trapping with right now I'm working with right now. And"
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"text": " Those are the same ones I'm using. I'm like, what you got? He was like, yo, bro, I didn't got this. I didn't got that. I didn't got this. A whole bunch of shit like he's just going crazy. So he don't know I'm using them too. Right. So now I'm trying to put it together in my head. Mind you, we using the same car. Yeah, but he's in Miami and you're in New York, you would think that the car manufacturer or the card, the bank system would say, hey, these guys can't be in two different places at once."
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"text": " Look, I don't know where these cars came from, but they changed our life. I wish he was here to like, all right, so boom. So he telling me he using, I'm like, Oh word. I'm like, okay, okay. All right. That's what's up. Like, like, like, like where my money I like, like, like negative cause you gave me wasn't working. He was like, yo bro, just take one of them and just use it."
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"text": " I'm like, okay, I will hanged up. I'm already using three of them. So I'm using them. I'm working time going on. I'm working on the same car time going on working, working, working, working, working, working, working. So he ended up coming back from Miami. Um, we together we talking one day, he was like, Yo, bro, I'm about to go to Cali next. But he couldn't hold his tongue. He like, Yo, bro, I ain't gonna lie, like, these"
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"text": " These cars like, like, like, like, I don't know what the limit is, but they, they different, like they different. And I'm like, yeah, I see. So he ended up, so, so he ended up talking about it. I'm like, yeah, I've been using it too. It's the same thing. It's like, it don't decline. He's like, yeah, we talking about it. Boom. He go by his way. I go by my way. So he ended up going to one of, one of my other friends, he ended up getting a car too. So that was the three of us that ended up."
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"text": " like, like knowing about this card. So now all three of us is using the card. I'll print up the rest just in case. And basically I took one card. I'm going, I'm going just to see boop, boop, boop. And the card finally declines. One day it declines. So I'm like, okay. So I spent, I'm adding the receipts up. I'm like, okay, okay. I spent about 10,000 on this card. So I'm guessing it's 10,000. Next day come up, do the same thing again, grab another card."
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"text": " Stopping at 10,000. So I'm like, all right the limit 10,000 but The crazy part the limit is 10,000 but every day it's it's like a new 10,000 a spin Like the it's to the point the cars didn't feel real It didn't feel like these is real people cars because how we all use in these cars six that that's that's like out of the six cars that's like 60,000"
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"text": " dollar spending limit every day. And we to the point we maxing it out. And sometimes I'll use like 5000 at the client. All right, I know he's using his car today because because it's supposed to hit 10,000. That's how I started figuring out like what car like they these two idiots was using. And at the time, they wasn't really money hungry, like they focused on getting hotels, they want to invite girls to hotel. This is dumb. Like they get in hotels every week."
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"text": " cuz they see me like they wasn't getting hotels at first but when they found out like I was using it for hotels like to go out work and stuff they just took it to a different point that they in Manhattan now they get in hotels and the Trump the Trump penthouses they get penthouses there like they get in the best room at every hotel they go to like the penthouse top floor so I'll meet up with these idiots they idiots to be like I say this every day like I'm older than both of them"
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"text": " and and I'm young at the time so so I remember one time they was like yo bro pull up like we got a new penthouse and I'm like yeah I'm not surprised so I wasn't doing much at the time you know and it was like yo we got these girls over I'm like oh yeah and at the time I needed somebody to go on the roads with because I'm like all right I'm showing my face a lot I want somebody to work I know these going for sure I want somebody to work to to go in the stores for me so"
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"text": " Around this time like like like I like I'm jumping a little like like that's what I'll do I go meet up with them because I know they'll always have females around and I get to know one boop boop boop get her number meet up with her boop get a telly take her out nice dinner nice whining down her the best of everything because I know it's a different feeling when you're not sitting there like if it might work I'm going out like"
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"text": " This is what we doing and like it's a different like like for a scammer like when you know like I know like this is food. We not getting money. It's different like we going to the best of the best of the best like I'm trying to find I'm on Google type in five star like what's the best hotel in New York City? What is the best restaurant? I'm just going crazy shit that I don't even eat. I eat duck and freaking all types of crazy shit. So"
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"text": " Just trying to go all out. So I'm selling them this illusion basically like like like like this is how I'm living this is what it is and Get that illusion go to the nice big Hotel for the night next morning. Boom. What's your name? You got your ID on you? All right, we go your draft to my house"
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"text": " Get you an ID. No, I used to make them use their ID. I wasn't cooking them up ID. That take too long. I didn't have time for that. You got your ID? All right, cool. We go into my house. If they didn't, I'll do it. You go to my house, putting these American Expresses in your name, and we going out. And it was just like that for a while. So one day, they called me to the Trump hotel. So I'm like, all right. So I know they got females there. I get there. And I'm like, what floor y'all on? He was like, the last one is P on the elevator."
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"text": " Like, okay, I should have knew y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all dickheads. Like they end up getting locked up too. The cops ran inside the hotels a couple of times. They come back out and do the same thing again. Crazy. So I go up there. I walk inside the, the, this is the Trump hotel. This is just, um, I go inside the, the, the, the penthouse and the Trump. Oh my God. Mind you, it's 5,000 a night."
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"text": " They got two girls in the bathtub and I'm like, yeah, y'all don't like money. This is, this is, this is what y'all want to do all day. And it's just like, yo bro, just relax. I look at the table. So what they was doing, they ordering from the room service, you know, they bill it to the card or whatever the case may be. So they, even though it's 5,000 a night, they rocking up a bill in there. I'm talking about they bringing platters of food inside the, the, to the room."
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"text": " They got these little big tables. They put in the food out. This is enough. This like some movies like something out of a movie. I swear to God. Then they order in bottles. That was another thing like they was used to go to hotel to hotel and they would get a room or go go in a room. Call up the room service order like 20 30 bottles. Take the bottles and they would leave and they would sell it like they like like that's all they got the room for just to go in and use the room service. Get the bottles and leave."
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"text": " So at this occasion, I guess they, they, they fill in a, so they in a Trump, they just like 50 bottles of Dom Perignon, Ace of Spades. And he's just, I just remember I walk in and he's like, yo bro, here, take a, take a bottle. He, he, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not comfortable with this. You know, I hate, I hate shit like this, but it's just like, at that time, I'm not going to lie. I just took, I kind of took it in like,"
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"text": " Crazy high silence. It was crazy, but they got all these girls running around Stuffing that so you know, I do my little thing pull one to the side this and that this listen This is what we're gonna do. Look, I even got a hotel across the street. We can go there. They're like, alright, that's cool We can do that make my little plans. So couple of minutes later. So knock on the door somebody knocking the guest person come up like yo, y'all too loud cuz I"
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"text": " One of my idiot friends he arguing with one of the females because he's trying to get in the bathroom with them taking a bath and my other friend was dating one of them and then she got another girl to go in the bathroom with them and my other friend was mad because he didn't get invited. So he's sitting there arguing with the girl and shit and they going back and forth. So they coming up knocking on the door bringing attention to the room."
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"text": " whatever the case so they keep coming to the room knocking so we left me and my friend left to get some we come back and as we coming back up we got to get off like a floor that's like the lobby and then once you get off the lobby to get to the penthouse you got to go through another elevator that take you up different floors of the hotel so we get off the floor in the lobby we go talk to the to the reception she like um oh um can i see the card y'all use for the hotel and i look at him and i'm like"
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"text": " I just walk away. You fucking idiot. I knew it. You got some problems, Jimmy. Yeah. Show her the card. I gotta go get my car. And he said it looking stupid. I'm like, show the car. He like, oh, I didn't get the room. My friend got the room or whatever. He telling them whatever. I walk, I just sit by the elevator and stuff like that. And he gave him the card. She took it. She's on the phone. She calling people doing this. And she gave him the card and said,"
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"text": " Like I have a nice day kind of like, like, okay, everything is good. No, no. They said it's unpaid charges for the, for the shit that they ordered. It's unpaid charges. They need to bill it, but the card that's on file not going through. Can we, can we see a different card? He gave them a different card. She charged it and went through as two cards on file that they charge. And she was like, yeah, just use that one. That one that that shoe authorized just keep that one on file and you could use that one. Go back to the room."
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"text": " So he thought about it. He going back and forth. Idiot. He want to stay because this girl is still there. And we end up leaving. We end up leaving. I think they came back because they were still arguing or some, some, some shit like that. It came back. Cause I remember they came back to the door. That's when I left. Like it was two people at the door. And I remember like, yeah, like I'm leaving, like, excuse me. Like, and this like soon as I left, everybody females, everybody just started leaving, everybody leaving. So,"
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"text": " So that was just one of the stories. I ended up going to like, like, like my hotel with the other female, like three of them came with me. We woke up the next morning. I'm like, yo, y'all want to work? And we just tore up. So went to my house in Brooklyn, came back to my, I had a couple of calls on me already. I did what I did. Came back to the hotel. They seen it. They seen what I did. They were like, Oh, we want to do that to you. All right. Cool. Cool. Got them made pieces. That what we did. But, um,"
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"text": " But yeah, but that was just the extent of the American Express is like we had like we those calls probably last us like three, four months with no, no problem, like no problem. And then they just started dying out little by little, like this one would die. This one would die. This one would die. And"
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"text": " One day, all of them wasn't working and my friend was like, yo, he came to me one day. He was like, yo, I found something out. I'm like, what happened? He was like, oh, all I did is change like the after the six numbers. He said, all you got to do is just keep going up on a number. And it's, and it's like another card. It's like a new card. I'm like, never called don't work like that. He's changing number to work. He was like,"
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"start_time": 7685.043,
"text": " All right, I'm like, I'll try it out and see. I tried it. Same thing. We had that going for like a month. That didn't last long. And then they just start dying out, dying out. Like, to this day, we don't know."
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"text": " Like, we don't know. Like, if it was a black card, we try to look up the bank identification number, but it just was saying American Express. It wasn't giving us a Pacific Bank. Like, we don't know. Like, I felt like it was just like, I felt like it was the feds. Like, they just giving us numbers to use to just build up a case on us or something like that. But,"
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"start_time": 7717.244,
"text": " Like I said, like they was getting arrested with the cars and stuff like that. They keep receipts in their cars, like they was just messy. So they got questioned about the American Express, but I forgot what it was exactly they was getting questioned about. But it was like these cars just keep popping up at different hotels or something like that. And what you know about these cars, like why, like who called is this that you keep using and they not turning it off."
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"index": 317,
"start_time": 7742.483,
"text": " It was crazy because they, they, and they money, like, how could you stay in this hotel for a week using less than much and the owner of that car didn't cut it off. Like, and they miles for a second. It's like, it had to be yours. Like even these little car schemers, they don't come get the penthouse. They come get like a nice suite, you know, like a thousand to that, but they not, not to this extent, plus you, you running up the bill. So it was crazy. That was another thing, but that was like the American express."
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"start_time": 7773.268,
"text": " little wave we had going on, that was crazy. But yeah, I'm done with that topic. Because I'm just going on. Did you ever get arrested for credit card fraud? Oh, yeah. Let me get to that. Let me get to that. I never got arrested for those. I don't know. Those ghost cards. I don't know."
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"text": " Boom, the first time I got arrested for the credit card fraud, I was at Dave and Busters, went out to eat in the city one day, I had a girl at the time, went to Dave and Busters, we went in there, got food, ate our food, then we went to the game section, started playing, and I was just like, yo, I'm gonna go get a drink real quick, and went to go get a drink, and"
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"text": " Use the card and at that time, I didn't have the machine. That was the first time. Use the card, boom. Receipt came up and I'm looking at the lady because she got her back over here. It's like a little bar by the game section. She got her back processing the card there. So I'm watching her because I know that the last number don't match. So I'm always watching them when those type of transactions go on. And the receipt came up and she just went like this, like to show this."
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"text": " Talking on a mic or something. I'm like, Oh shit, that's not a good sign. That's not a good sign. So I'm standing in nervous. I'm like, so soon as she gave me this car, like I'm out of here. Like I'm out. I just want it so they don't have evidence. So not even 30 seconds go by this big security do walk up to me. Like, I see him walking up to me."
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"end_time": 7911.152,
"index": 322,
"start_time": 7883.592,
"text": " And he like, Excuse me, can you come with me real quick? And at that time, the girl I was with, she's walking, I see her walking up to me, she sees something going on. And I just booked it, booked it past him, left him, left the girl, ran past him. And two more guards, like they were just popping up out of the freaking woodworks. They were just popping up. Two more came in front of me."
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"index": 323,
"start_time": 7911.442,
"text": " got past them. And soon as I get to the door, it's a host at the door that like greet people to come in and stuff."
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"end_time": 7948.626,
"index": 324,
"start_time": 7919.872,
"text": " She comes from around the corner, she jumps down, grab my legs and wrap it up. And I bust my ass and this is a girl, a young female. And I grab me and put me onto the floor and I ran past all of the big security guard. They trying to grab me. I'm getting out of them, ran past them and the girl got me by jumping on my feet. And I was just pissed, got locked up. That was the first time I got locked up like for like a credit card or something."
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"start_time": 7949.531,
"text": " Got locked up for that. Went to court or whatever. Boop, boop, boop. They offered me probation. I bailed out, went to court. They offered me probation. They said, we're going to give you five-year probation because it's a felony. And yeah, that's either that and the alternative was one year in jail. So I said, I'll do the five-year probation, take the probation."
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"text": " Um, a couple of months after that, um, after the probation is ended or a couple of months after you got out a couple of months after I got out, I finished the court. So it's already a couple of months cause I went back and forth to court. So it's already a couple of months after that. Um, I got into a police chase. This one, I had my affinity. I got into a police chase. I was out with a girl one night and."
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"text": " You know, I'm just speeding, pulling up the stop signs. I was just blowing stops, not blowing them, but just pulling up quick and just, just dipping. So reckless driving. The cops turn a light on and stuff like that. And then I look in my mirrors and"
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"text": " Like in New York, we caught on the paddy wagon, you know, the pack, it's like a van. Yeah. Yeah. They pick somebody up and they bring them to jail. Yeah. But it's like the van. It's not like the Ford Explorer days. Because in New York, they'd be in a Ford Explorer or they'd be in like these, these big eight passenger van. Yeah. So it was one of those. So I'm like,"
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"text": " Oh, they in the van. They not going to catch me. I'm a NASCAR driver. They done messed up trying to pull me over in this van. Never ran from the cops before, first time. But I always hear people talking about it, like, yeah, I'm running from the cop. They be like, don't take no check. Like, like, don't take a ticket. So I'm like, yeah, I'm feeling good. Got a girl with me. I know she's going to be excited. She's going to think I'm a badass. So I'll take it. Boom."
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"end_time": 8089.462,
"index": 330,
"start_time": 8070.265,
"text": " Running, running. I'm doing good so far. I'm driving, driving, hitting corners, bull. I'm losing distance. So I turn onto this one street and it's a one way and it's cars parked on both sides. Being New York City, it's cars parked on both sides and it's the car right in the middle at the light. So I get to him."
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"end_time": 8118.183,
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"start_time": 8089.923,
"text": " Now I see them turn the corner. I'm at that coming down the street. I'm beeping my horn at the person in front of me. I'm like, dang, it's like to turn green. I'm beeping my own just so they could just move over a little bit. I'm trying to like show them I'm trying to squeeze in. They're not budging. So they catch up, come to the car, step out the car through the speakerphone, and they still in front of me. The light going to turn green. They still there. I guess they trying to figure what's going on. But I found out."
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"end_time": 8141.237,
"index": 332,
"start_time": 8118.319,
"text": " They tell me sub out the car, sub out the car, boo boo boo. Me and the girl step out. And as I'm stepping out, I see the people in front of me was like a family, like the kids and the wife and the husband. They stepping out the car too with their hands up in the air. So I'm laughing. So I'm like, I know they think that the cop is probably talking about them or everybody who was in front of them. I don't know."
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"end_time": 8169.514,
"index": 333,
"start_time": 8141.578,
"text": " But they stepped out the car and the cop came in and arrest me and they was going crazy. They was like, why are you arresting him? He didn't do nothing. Y'all always harassing black people. I was like one of those. It's like only if y'all knew what I just finished doing. I don't think y'all. Yeah. But they was just kind of like this vouching for me. You okay? You need me to call somebody right now? I'm okay. You know how these cops are. They always bothering us for no reason. I ain't do nothing. You see, I was just driving."
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"end_time": 8194.667,
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"text": " It's crazy, but that was, that was like the second time. So they gave me, uh, I went to court for that. I was on probation already. So now I'm trying to figure out like, dang, what they're going to do next. They gave me probation again. They gave me a three year misdemeanor probation. They gave me a misdemeanor fleeing from a police officer in a motor vehicle. You're going to prison in Florida on everything you've mentioned you're doing sometime."
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"end_time": 8218.473,
"index": 335,
"start_time": 8196.032,
"text": " I'm trying to, this is crazy. So they give me probation. I'm not even done. I'm not even like, so I'm just going through the charges. So they gave me probation for that three year misdemeanor probation. So they just basically ran a concurrent, like how they said is going to work. It's going to run concurrent with the probation I have already. So I just got to do five. I still got to do the five year probation. So I'm like, all right."
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"end_time": 8245.196,
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"start_time": 8218.814,
"text": " I'm like, who? Double triple secret probation. Like, what is this? Yeah, like two probations at the same only in New York. But so I'm like, I'll take it. Boom. So who's the next one? Long Island. So this this is another thing I was doing. I was going to to like dog shops basically. And I was basically swiping dogs like going in."
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"end_time": 8271.101,
"index": 337,
"start_time": 8245.486,
"text": " Buying dogs, credit cards, and I would go on Craigslist. I was always finding stuff to do, stuff that nobody's doing. This is the low stuff I was doing. Everybody else running in all these high-end stores, this is what I'm doing. I'm going and buying dogs. I don't know nobody buying dogs with these credit cards. So I started buying a little cute little dogs, the little wolf huskies, and the stuff I see people axing. Built a little clientele for it."
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"text": " sold it to one rich person, nice house I pulled up to, million dollar brownstone house, beautiful. They started telling me like, oh, they friends want dogs and they wanted my good friend. It was just crazy to me because it's just like, I know y'all got money. What are you paying for a dog? A couple thousand dollars? You're selling it for what? A thousand or? Fifteen hundred thousand. They mean three. Rich people don't like spending money. I learned that. That's how they get rich. I learned that."
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"start_time": 8300.759,
"text": " I learned, I swear to you, I'm driving better cars than them. I'm coming to they drive with, I'm like, oh, like, but I learned like, like, bro, I got money, but y'all, I see. And then they are, they are on Craigslist shopping for dogs. Usually I'm thinking like, like, you know, just being a regular person, I'm like, yo, y'all would go to the pet store, but you have people buying dogs on Craigslist. So I was doing that for a while. And so one time I went to go get a dog. Um, it didn't go so good. So go in there."
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"start_time": 8329.036,
"text": " Swiped the car, it declined, and I'm like, oh, try to do half. And I'm with a female, I took a female with me. So, swiped the car, it didn't go for the full price. Swiped it again, it went for half. So, I didn't have any cars on me at the time. So, they was just like, I never really done nothing like this, but they was just like, come back tomorrow."
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"end_time": 8379.548,
"index": 341,
"start_time": 8351.937,
"text": " Talk to your bank and try to see if they can block your card and just try to come back and pay the rest and we give you the dog tomorrow. So I'm like, okay, no, I go home, make new cards. And I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna get this dog. This was a nice one. Nice husky, green, blue eyes, all white, beautiful. And I had this one ready to sell already. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm aging about this dog. So, so I go boom drive."
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"end_time": 8402.756,
"index": 342,
"start_time": 8380.162,
"text": " Pick the girl back up. And this time I told her, you know what, just just just just go by yourself. Just go get the dog. You already know who you are. Just go swipe the rest. So she go inside. She ended up calling me on a phone like, listen, they telling me that something that they swipe in the card and it's not working."
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"end_time": 8432.995,
"index": 343,
"start_time": 8403.37,
"text": " And I'm like, there's no way it's working. At this time, I knew exactly what I was buying. So it's like, there's no way it's working. They were like, yeah, they said it's not working. But they told me to just give them a second. They trying to figure it out. And I'm on a phone with her. I'm like, get the car back and get the fuck out. Get the fuck out of it. She like, you don't want me to wait for the for the dog. She not understanding. She don't know better. So these these these females I was finding they was just"
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"end_time": 8459.428,
"index": 344,
"start_time": 8433.166,
"text": " So I'm like, no, I'm like, like, like, come on, like, come on. Forget the card at this point. First, I was saying get the card. A minute went by. That's too much for me. I'm like, just just come just come come to the car already done drove around the corner already. I don't even want to be body business. I'm like, get your ass come in the car. So"
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"end_time": 8489.599,
"index": 345,
"start_time": 8459.838,
"text": " She leaves the store, left the car in there, come in the car, she get in, we drive off. And I'm like, all right, we go, we out of here, we leaving. So drive off, drive down the block. Soon as we make a right, I see it like a like an unmarked car sitting like in the middle of the intersection. It's a two way street, the double yellow line. And it's a vehicle just sitting in the unmarked car like a dog charger or something. I'm like,"
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"end_time": 8517.568,
"index": 346,
"start_time": 8490.196,
"text": " I'm like, damn, I'm like, what if that's like, nah, it's, it's too fast. Like it's just no, no way. So, so I'm driving, I'm watching them as I'm going past them windows tinted. I can't see who was inside driving. Soon as we get past them, they pull out, pull up behind me. I'm like, fuck, my heart dropped down and I'm just like, fuck, and I'm just waiting for, I'm just looking at the mirror. I'm just waiting for the lights. I'm just waiting for the lights, lights turned on, pulled over."
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"end_time": 8542.005,
"index": 347,
"start_time": 8518.251,
"text": " What's the problem? They come up to the car, license registration, I think my license was suspended at the time, but I don't know. It was suspended for a while too, like a lot of times I was driving, but New York, like they don't really stress suspended license, like they don't lock you up like here, like New York, like they let you go, like as long as you got no drugs in the car and something like that."
},
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"end_time": 8571.254,
"index": 348,
"start_time": 8542.534,
"text": " They'll let you go. It's crazy. I came to Florida and got my license together because I had to, because they'll take you to jail if you got your license. It's crazy. But pull me over, boo boo boo. They asked the girl, they're asking the girl through the window, they're like, did you just come from a store, a dog store? And she's like, no, I didn't come from a dog store. They're like, we got you coming from there, boo boo boo. Step out the car. I had a little bit of weed."
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"end_time": 8590.401,
"index": 349,
"start_time": 8571.51,
"text": " a couple of extra calls. I just took it out. I'm not gonna lie. I just threw it out back through everything. I did that before they even came up to the car. That's what I forgot about. So before they even told us to get out the car already done. Did you give her the look when they asked her about the dog? Did you hear the look like"
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"end_time": 8620.026,
"index": 350,
"start_time": 8590.862,
"text": " What have you done now? That's the look you gotta give. Officer, I know why you pulled me over. She's running some kind of scam, isn't she? I know, I've been telling her. I told her. I told her. She's trouble. That's how I was trying to play it, like, at least. Like, I'm thinking, like, even when I was putting the shit out back, I'm like, listen, like, I could bail you out, but we can't both be in there. Like, we can't help each other from in there. Like, I'm trying to explain it to her the fastest way I can before they get to the call."
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"end_time": 8647.927,
"index": 351,
"start_time": 8620.026,
"text": " So they tell both of us step out, like I said, I got a fake ID in a car in my socks. Like, for some reason, like that was like one of my hiding spots, like, like in my socks on the bottom of my shoes. So they check me they'll find and they check her bag. They find the stuff like that. And I'm like, no, that's that's all she's got a little bit of weed and stuff like that. Who's got it?"
},
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"end_time": 8676.288,
"index": 352,
"start_time": 8648.217,
"text": " Because in my mind she already in trouble. She already going to jail like for the for the credit card though Just like I just a little extra charge. They don't care about that. They care about the felony. It's an extra month of probation. Yeah You dealing with something way more bigger than that don't don't worry about the weed like I really don't like I don't want to go in for just weed I'm gonna be pissed like so it's embarrassing It's not a respectable charge"
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"end_time": 8701.63,
"index": 353,
"start_time": 8676.561,
"text": " So, for some weird reason, they lock her up, boom. I'm like, okay, okay, okay, they ain't lock me up. Yeah, I'm like, that's a surprise. So they put me on the back of the car, and they searching me again, they searching me. And they was like, take your shoes off. Like, they never told me take my shoes off. Take my shoes off in the middle of the street. They're like, take your shoes off. Damn, fuck. Take my shoes off. I'm in my socks."
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"end_time": 8726.647,
"index": 354,
"start_time": 8702.295,
"text": " And they was like, take your socks off. And I'm like, what? I'm like, dang, like somebody stole my little thing. I didn't think nobody knew about like stuff in our socks. But then I'm going in my socks, find an ID and thing. And they charged me for it and lock me up. We both locked up and stuff like that. And I end up making bell fight in a case. And she's still in there. And"
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"end_time": 8755.094,
"index": 355,
"start_time": 8727.056,
"text": " I'm trying to get money together and I had money out of didn't want to touch so I didn't want to bail out just yet that's how friends calling me cursing me out you piece of shit how you leave there leave her inside so I end up coming with the money dealing with it and before I even paid the bell her mom came and dealt out so she was extra pissed so I don't even think she knew I was like trying to do something to get her out of there so"
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"end_time": 8771.237,
"index": 356,
"start_time": 8756.118,
"text": " That's how that went. She came out, I think she ended up getting like probation or something, and she ended up stopped talking to me. Yeah, but, and it was crazy, but they slaved me. I ended up doing six months for that case, but- You're six months in jail?"
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"end_time": 8798.029,
"index": 357,
"start_time": 8771.715,
"text": " Yeah, but, but, but not like going in court, turning myself in like, I ended up being like with the other charges. So boom, so I'm, I'm out on bail for that thing. I'm fighting a charge. So I'm on two probations already. And you're out on bail. And I bailed out from, from Laura. So boom. So I'm like, dang, I got to get my money. I got to get my money up. I didn't have the, the, the affinity at the time I crashed that like totaled it. Um,"
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"index": 358,
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"text": " I had another Infiniti, a Q70, I rented from some guy that was renting cars and stuff, got it from a rental company. Had that, and I'm like, I gotta figure out a way to make money, whatever the case may be. So first I'm like, I gotta figure out a way how to get a car. So I'm like, I never thought about using"
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"end_time": 8849.753,
"index": 359,
"start_time": 8821.51,
"text": " the car to get like, go to a rental company and rent out a car. I'm like, well, I never thought about this. I'm like, I'm actually paying cash for cars. But I guess when you just dealing with money, you just forget about like certain things. Like it's when you do need it and you don't want to pay cash for it is when you start thinking like, all right, like I could use this car to get this and that. So so I went back, boom, thought about the end up going to a rental company and got a car. Boom, got the car."
},
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"end_time": 8878.473,
"index": 360,
"start_time": 8850.009,
"text": " started doing a little work and work and that incident happened where I ended up crashing a car and I had to get another one, went back to a different place, got a car, fake driver license, got another car, boop boop boop, driving it. And then one day I was just thinking like, it's kind of easy getting these cars. So I'm like, okay, it's not bad. So I ended up parking the car. I went with somebody else, grabbed another car and"
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"end_time": 8905.384,
"index": 361,
"start_time": 8879.258,
"text": " I remember, I forgot how it went, but I end up like advertising it like, like, oh, who needs a rental? So word got around, boop, boop, boop, gave it, gave the keys to somebody, boop, exchange information. He took the rental, bring it back in a week, pay me, put the money in my hand. Once he put the money in my hands, I'm like, that's what I felt like, all right, I'm in business. This is what I'm gonna do."
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"end_time": 8927.619,
"index": 362,
"start_time": 8906.817,
"text": " For the next couple of months, I was just going back and forth, back and forth to airports and rental companies. I was just pulling cars, pulling cars, pulling cars, just to the point. It was crazy. I had to start noting, all right, this car is here."
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"end_time": 8947.841,
"index": 363,
"start_time": 8927.944,
"text": " This car is here, this car. So when people want a car, I send them the list, copy and paste it to them. Like these are the cars I have available. Like I'm running a rental company with rental cars. So it was just crazy. So I'm doing that for a while, renting cars out and"
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"end_time": 8966.305,
"index": 364,
"start_time": 8948.2,
"text": " Then it started becoming a little problem. Some people, they're not bringing a car back in time. And then people started getting an accident with the car. And it was funny, like one time somebody got it, they got in an accident with the car. And I'm just like, all right, so I went online and I typed in like,"
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"end_time": 8991.254,
"index": 365,
"start_time": 8966.783,
"text": " like accidents, disclaimers, something. And I sent it to them. Like, like I made up this whole report, like basically, like they got it, like they responsible for the damage. Like this is my vehicle. This is how much damage you did to the car. And if you don't pay this, this and that, like, like I gotta do it the legal way. Cause they don't know that I'm swiping these cars. Like these is not like friends that I'm written it to. Yeah, I'm written some of them to friends. I know, but"
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"text": " Doing that for a while, in the case maybe. Doing that for a while. And then it was another thing with Zelle at the time. So you know, before when Zelle first came out, it was just a Zelle app."
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"text": " And basically like just sending the money today, sending the money to like clean that, clean that card out or hit the limit for the Zelle. Cause Zelle it was like, you only could send a certain amount on the app when it was just before they put it like in a banking app, like it was a certain limit, 500, a thousand, something like that. And once I hit that limit, I could either take that same card and make a new Zelle account, refresh the phone, make a new Zelle account, send it again."
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"text": " and and keep doing that like like until"
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"text": " Doing that for a while. I don't want to get too deep because I'm going to end up all day. But I remember that was the thing we was doing for a while around the same time. That was good. I'm not going to lie. That was amazing. I'm going to close this out with the car. So I'm doing a rental car thing. I was doing this at the time. I went to the airport one day and when I got to the airport,"
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"text": " Yeah, I remember it was an Audi A4. I got to the register, gave him my credentials, license, card, boot, boot, boot. And she went to the back. I remember she turned off. Usually they don't go to the back. They do everything in front of you. They check the license, enter the information, then they give you the card until you swipe it. But she went to the back with the card and ID. So"
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"text": " She came back up to the front. She's talking to me. She was just like, yeah, where you going with the car? Where you taking it? I'm like, I'm just milking me. You get what I'm saying? Just milking me, asking me questions. Hey, what are you doing this weekend? So next thing you know, she's talking to me."
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"text": " I just heard it was like automatic doors, because it was like the airport, plus like the car rental was inside the airport. So I heard that automatic doors open from like inside the airport to the car rental. And I just knew, I just knew for some reason, like it could have been somebody just coming in, getting their car, I just knew, I just looked back and I just seen the port authorities, it was the port authorities. And like they the cops for the airport. So they come walking in, they walk in,"
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"text": " Um, I'm not, I'm turning back watching them. He's looking straight at me. I'm like, fuck. He woke up to me. Um, um, they, they, he said something like, like they called for you, like, like I got a call for you here that, that, that you're doing fraud. Like he was straight. I remember he like, he came to be straight up, like, like I got a call for you. You look right in the face and say, when I get out, I'm coming back here for you. I gave her that look, quit that job right there. She quit that night."
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"text": " You know what something on Jesus Christ on my dead brother life or everything I love this lady try to warn me. No, that's why she called. I swear to God, I don't know if a higher up made her do it or if it was a policy, but she really warned my dumb ass and I did not take the hint. I'm so happy you brought that up."
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"text": " As I'm talking to her, she's telling me what she said. She said, oh, if I was you, I would run out of here right now."
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"text": " For some reason, I'm thinking she's thinking like, because I was talking about the price, like I was in there trying to act like I'm trying to get a good deal. Like, can I get a better deal than that? Like, that's the kind of conversation we was having. So I'm thinking she's talking about like running off with the price. Like if I was you, I would, I would like kind of take the car and just run up out of here. So when she said it, I laugh. I just laugh. I'm like, I'm like, yeah."
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"text": " But now, but when I see the cop, it's like, oh shit, she was really telling me to get the fuck up out of here. But I'm just so excited because I wasn't really doing, I wasn't too much into the luxury cars and I know I can make more money off of this. I didn't really want to let it go. I didn't really want to hear nothing. And it's what you've been doing for so long and it's working. Like you get emboldened by it. You start feeling like you can't, you can't do no wrong."
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"text": " And I wasn't supposed to really touch airports. And that was another thing I messed up because they got more events stuff at the airport and I ended up finding that out later on. But the cops arrest you? Yeah. So a cop came up to me like, yeah, they caught somebody in a red vest. I had a red vest on. He was like, yeah, it's you. I'm like, no, that's not me. It's like, yeah, we just missed him. Yeah. So they locked me up. And I'm just at this at this point, like I ain't got a lot like I ain't never been"
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"text": " like, depressed and feeling bad. Because now I want to probation. I got the case in, in Long Island, I'm still fighting. And then this shit pops up. So I'm like, fuck, I got the two cases for probation plus the one that's the fourth one. So I'm like,"
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"text": " I'm fucked. Like, I'm fucked. I'm all the way fucked. I'm thinking about I'm fucked. I'm fucked. It's just over. Like at this point, like, like, I just like, yeah, I ain't coming home. It's no bell. I'm not even thinking about bell. Like, it was it was a bad I was at a bad place in my mind. That's how I'm not gonna lie. I was just depressed. Like I was I failed. I failed. I failed. But went through the system. Oh,"
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"text": " Got to Rikers Island. I'm back in Rikers Island. Now I got all these cases I'm going to. So how can I explain this? So usually on your court day, right, they will come call your name and they will say Queens Court line up here or Brooklyn Court line up here and Bronx Court like all the boroughs court basically like they had separate lines like buses that was going to different courts."
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"text": " and it was just so funny because i was like on every other line every time like usually people going in there they fighting a shooting charge or gun charge and i'm just fighting all of these frauds every other every week i had a i had a court date like at another place i'm on a different line and then people looking like oh you was just going to brook i'm like yeah i gotta go to manhattan too i got something in there i had probation over there and then i had to go to brooklyn for running on the cops over there and"
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"text": " It was it was it was crazy in Queens because the airport is in JFK. That's considered Queens. I had to go to the airport. I had to go to Queens court. So I was all over. It was it was crazy. So I went to the first court date. It was for my five year probation for the felony when I went in Dave and Buster's and stuff. That was the first court date like I went to and they were she was just like, you know what? Mama, do I listen?"
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"text": " I never seen like she gave me this crazy speech like I never met somebody so so stupid like you like like you you've been given so much chance and since the last time I see you seen you you managed to to rack up three extra charges like she was like I'm so mad the maximum penalty I can give you is a year because if it was anything more that I could possibly give you you deserve it like"
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"text": " And mind you, all of this from the Dave and Busters to now to the airport was one year, 2016 was just four cases. It's crazy. So yeah, so she gave me her speech or whatever, her speech, and she gave me a year. So now I know, all right, I got one case out the way. I got the three others. Now I know I'm not going nowhere for a year."
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"text": " The year, you know, you stay in the city and I still got the court. So even if it was more than a year, I still got to stay and fight the case. So got that out the way. The other case, um, the pro missing me, the probation, they gave me two, three months, ran concurrent with the year, got those two out the way. After I got those out the way, a detective came to the jail and took me downstairs and re fingerprinted me. He locked me up again."
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"text": " So now I had another child. I knocked two down and another one came up. And he was like, oh, we from the auto, the auto detective department. I'm like, what's that? Like, what's the auto detective department? He was like, oh, we detect vehicles and stolen cars. And they took me to some room I'd never seen inside the jail. And they was like, listen to us. Like, we know, because with the idea I got caught with,"
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"text": " I took out a couple of cars with that actual license. But the crazy part is I just changed that ID not too long ago. So the last ID was was crazy, but they don't know about that. They don't know about the ID. So must have been Vic Ferrari. We actually we did an interview with a guy from from the auto theft division in New York City. His name is Vic Ferrari."
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"text": " Serious? Yeah, he's got a bunch of crazy stories. He probably heard about me. Yeah, well, he lives like, like probably 45 minutes north of here. Yeah. He's another guy podcast would probably get you on his body. Okay, you got you got to do sixes. You got to do Vicks. That's great. Auto theft of the vision and he had to detect I never knew they had a detective squad in New York. Auto thefts huge in New York."
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"text": " I didn't know I was a little credit card scam, but they came. Yeah, he brought me downstairs. He was just like, yeah. So we just want to know what a vehicle is. It was like the vehicles. We did the amount. We did the paperwork. We talked to Hertz Enterprise and"
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"text": " They say they have about XYZ car missing, about 3 million in cars, this and that, that we believe that's just associated with this license that's not recovered. If you can"
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"text": " help us find these cars, then we can work on getting talking to the DA. It was like one of those things that we could talk to the DA putting the good work with you. We're trying to help you out. Yeah, it was one of those things. So I'm like, I'm like, honestly,"
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"text": " I was a little bit nervous. When he said millions, I ain't never really hit millions with anything I was doing, but he's adding up like the MSRP value of the vehicle. So yeah. Yeah. You're like, no, no, no. I was selling them. I was renting them for like a thousand a week. It can't be that much. No, that's not how it works. They, my guy may have given you a thousand dollars, but he drove off with a $70,000 vehicle. You don't rent to, you know, they always sell up to date only rent."
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"text": " Like they only rent up to their vehicles and stuff. So it was crazy. So, so he, so yeah, he scared me a little. So I'm like, um, yeah, I'm like a couple of them is on this street. I think if you look over here on this street, but, but I got, I got it in my notes on my phone, if I can get my phone. So I'm, so he ended up letting me, um, not me going to my, but he went to my property. He got my phone out of it and we sat down and we was looking through the notes and, and,"
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"text": " I remember I had a bunch of notes and I'm just sitting there like I would show him like boom I would open up one note and I was like all right this car is right here boop he excited he writing it down I'm like let me see the other car like once he see like like I figure like he see me cooperating or I could delete the cars I know like you get what I'm saying like they know I'm deleting, deleting, deleting and I show him another car I'm like yeah this one this should be on the street get the phone back and I'm like oh the other car delete just"
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"text": " But, but yeah, so I, I don't know, he came back. I gave him the car, gave him the information. He was like, all right, I'm going to check it out. I'm going to go see if he found it. Then, then it's good. I appreciate you. I'm like, yeah, yeah. He was like, long as we get the car back, like, like, like they don't care. Like they might not even press charges kind of. I'm like, oh, sound wonderful. All right, why not? So he go back. Was that not true? They didn't, but they weren't so thankful that they dropped the charges."
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"text": " He didn't mislead you. I feel like he did because he did, he did, he did, he did. I went to jail for having, they charged me with possession of credit cards at the airport and trying to get the car because I'm like I still went to jail for it but that was a new case that he brought up to me and I ended up beating that charge because that was a whole another"
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"text": " But you got the one year, how much time did you do on the one year? I did the whole thing. You did the whole year? But look, no, no, I'm gonna tell you why, because I'm still fighting the case. So he came and got me for that. He came and got me for the cards. And then I was just going to court for that now. Now I'm going to court for the other three charges. So the misdemeanor, I talked about the misdemeanor, Rene Concurrent, the Long Island,"
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"text": " Now they expedited me to Long Island because Long Island is not considered like, it's New York, but it's a different jurisdiction. So Nassau County, like that, they got their own county in Long Island. So Nassau County Department, they came pick me up, brought me over there for the dog thing. When I was doing the dogs, they brought me over there and I went to court there. I got sentenced there. They gave me six months over there. That's how I did six months over there."
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"text": " Well, you must have never spent more than a week or two without going to court. That's actually not a bad way to do it. Well, it sucks to kind of be moved, but it breaks up the day. Sometimes you probably get a better meal."
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"text": " Yeah, now, Nashville County has sucked, but good thing I wasn't there for too long. It was just like a trip. Like, it was good to get out, to get out, you know, go take a ride and drive to Nashville County and come back. But yeah, went over there. Thank God, they wasn't running, it wasn't running nothing concurrent. We got to run six month concurrent with the year you're doing already. All right, cool. Boom. So it's like,"
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"text": " The year is the top chart right now. So everything I'm getting sentenced to is under this. So I don't know. I'm calling lucky. I'm just blessed. Get back to Rikers Island. Now I got rid of the Long Island one. So now it's just the airport one. And then the car theft, the new charge he came and arrested me on. So he came."
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"text": " I was going to court to that. We end up verifying. He didn't find all of the cars. He found most of them. And I ended up finding out like later on, like they found all the vehicles, all the vehicles was covered, but they ended up dropping the case because it was only like three, four cars still like wandering someone. I'm like, somebody probably had it. Some of them was crashed. They didn't know about, so they had to do like farther report, but they felt like, like it was just good enough to satisfy like the hurt you're in the car place. So they ended up dropping that."
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"text": " with the court for the last one, the airport and they got it down. I got it down to two to four years. So basically two to four years, nonviolent. You do two years, your max is four with good time. If you got good time, come out on two. If you go to the parole board, boom, they can leave at two years. So at this time, I already got like 16 months in. I've been sitting in a jail for 16 months."
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"text": " I took it. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, that's the last one. Let me just get it out the way. I heard two years. I got a couple of more months to do. I took that end up taking that. And they sent me to they sent me to prison. That was my first time they sent me up to prison and went through that. And yeah, went up there for a couple of months. Like I said, it was different got off the bus."
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"text": " First thing that CEO saying, listen, this is not Rikers Island. All that stuff y'all was doing out there. This is not this or that. And, you know, just went through the process. They break you in and yeah, it went through that. Like prison, like I said, it wasn't too bad. I wish I got there before. Yeah. Because I could have got out before two years because they got like other programs you could do before your minimum date. So,"
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"text": " Like I said, it wasn't too bad. It was cool. Went through that. When'd you get out on that? 2018, October. And did you have probation after that? Yeah, the two years, because it's four years, two to four years. So I had to do another two years on parole. That's when you started working at McDonald's again."
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"text": " You haven't gotten in trouble since then. I went to the credit card, started getting in trouble again. What is your wife saying? What is your wife saying? Do you have any idea what my wife would do if I told her, listen, I'm thinking about doing this? She'd be like, that's never going to fucking happen. I'm not going to lie. She stayed with me. She stayed with me the whole two years."
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"text": " Like the whole time coming up driving, taking the bus eight hours to come see me when they ship me off to prison. And I only knew her for that year. I didn't like, I just met her like 2016. That's when I met her. So I gave her the speech, like, listen, you don't got to stay around. You know, like, I know you was my girlfriend, but you don't got to stay, but you didn't know each other. You know, this is, it's not an easy thing. You didn't sign up for this. Yeah."
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"text": " She would just know, I'm doing this with you. And I'm like, trust me, you don't know. You don't know what this like. It's not easy. I'm gonna do this with you. I'm like, okay. Yeah. So like I said, she was coming up almost every week, like every, almost, almost every, she made almost every visit. That's nuts. I was just like, wow, this girl really like me. Cause I was always around"
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"text": " Like I said, even from back then, it was just different. Like, like I could even rush doing things like even sexually well, like, and it got me mad to the point, like I was just about to cut off. Like, I don't got time for this. Like, like, you don't want to drop your panties. Like, like I don't even want to be around. Like I was, I was one of them. Cause like even growing up, like, like I said, like,"
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"text": " I even got picked on by females. It was just like, oh, I was never they type. You get what I'm saying? So even when I got into that life, it was just karma, backfire. No, get away from me. This or not, this or not. You get what I'm saying? I wasn't too believable. Oh, I like you. Oh, I don't like you, though. I was very blunt with females. I let it be known like, listen, this is what it is."
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"text": " So it was just different when she came around. Like I said, a lot of females, I've been, it was just different. Like she wasn't too excited about, shut her head going on. Like she wasn't."
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"text": " I don't know how to really explain that. She wasn't too, like we would do stuff and she was like, I don't got to, like what we doing? I don't got to do this. My wife is, she's like, she's not really impressed. Yeah. She's like, yeah, yeah, that's nice. No, it's, it's, it's nice. I've never done this before. That's great. But she's not impressed by it. Like she could get, she could take it or leave it. Like you want to go, yeah, we'll go on vacation, but she's not the one to be saying like, oh, we got to go here. Oh, I want this car. Oh, I want this bag. Can you buy me this bag? She doesn't do any of that. She's like, never ask for nothing. Yeah. Like, yeah."
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"text": " That tends to make me want to do it more. Do it, yeah. Yeah, because now you're like, I want to spend money on you. I used to tell her, like, it's free. Like, I'm telling you, it's free. Like, go. Like, get something. Like, I used to be mad at her. Like, you gave me mad. Like, no. Like, it's not my money. Like, I don't know how else to tell you. It was just crazy. Like, even the first time I knew, like, I even felt some type of way."
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"text": " I remember I sent in the store because I was doing returns basically, like some things called return at a time. Like where you would go like to Marshoes or Kmart and you would just buy like $3,000 worth of stuff. And it was certain stores that let you swipe the card to put the money back on your card. You know, when you return stuff, they usually be like, all right, we're going to send it back to the card you paid with. Yeah."
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"text": " Swipe the card here and it was like that so you would just Bob you go buy stuff and I would get like a real bank card like it would either be somebody I know or even mines I get a prepaid card or make my my wife open up a prepaid card and and I would just have that call for the return so."
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"text": " Like I said, I had the machine already at this point already. So I'm putting the last four of the receipt number because they checked in for the return. They started checking like to see if that's the card you pay with. Like, yeah, that's the car I pay with. It's the same last four and match. So they'll be like, OK, returning like the three thousand, four thousand, whatever I get that day, amount of stuff. They'll take it, process it, swipe the card. They'll be like this amount going back to your card, boop, boop, boop. And then when you swipe it,"
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"text": " That returns now go to whatever card. Right. So you can load up a card with eight, nine, 10 grand over the course of a week. And now I've got $9,000 on a card I can use. Right. Just go shopping one week. You just go shopping. Could you take it out? I mean, if it's really your card, couldn't you take it? You've got the pin card. You got the pin. Couldn't you go take money out of the bank account? Yeah. We used to just leave it on there. Right. Like it's just money. You can do whatever you want."
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"text": " Once they return the money on it, it's good. They're not bothering. That was okay for a while. I was doing that for a while. One day, when I was talking, I brought that up because I sent my wife in to do just a return. I never had it going in and buying and stuff. I used to have other people doing that. It was a whole thing. Even being with her, it used to be situations like, she think I'm cheating."
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"text": " I ain't go a lot, like she knows, she went through my phone, like, yeah, I was, I was, I was cheating, but yeah, but like, like I had them working too. It wasn't just like playing around. We wasn't just playing around, running around cheating. Like, you know, I had them doing stuff that my dirty work too. So, and then it would just be time. I like doing a return. I don't like really seeing the people I work with."
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"text": " Like do the returns like they don't really know how much I'm getting. I'm not really paying them. You get what I'm saying? I'm acting like I like them. I'm making these fake relationships. So they just like it's just like you doing me a favor like like I should have had to pay you for that. So I was very manipulative when it came to that like"
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"text": " so it would just be like friends yeah like you're gonna ask i'm just asking you to return we just went out last night and it's just like i understand i understand how to play the game you know what i'm saying i just brought you this i just we just ate at this nice restaurant you stayed at this beautiful hotel like that's the least you could just do it just go in the store swipe a car go shopping yeah because you're gonna get yourself a couple of gift cards you like victoria's secret just go in there get whatever you want clothes whatever and just when you go to the checkout just grab these two gift cards"
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"text": " You know what I'm saying? Or grab some clothes and then whatever you don't want, not whatever you don't want, grab what you want and then make sure you grab this much merchandise, but keep this, keep this for yourself, keep that, whatever you want for yourself, just put it to the side. But we go into like five different Victoria's secrets, so don't get greedy in one store, just get two items per store until we finish doing what we're doing. So it'd be like little stuff like, no, sometimes if I'm feeling good, I'll do that. But yeah, but"
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"text": " My wife, she went to go do a return and she had a problem. They called onto her. One of the pieces I gave her, the last four didn't match and they called onto it when she did the return because when she swiped the card,"
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"text": " After you do the return, the receipt comes up and then it shows my real bank card. That was a thing too. Whoever's bank card, I'm going to say mine, it shows my last four. It went to this card and my last four show up. When they swipe the receipt, the receipt comes up and says it went to this card. It's not showing that"
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"text": " Yeah, yeah, they're looking at the ID. I mean, I'm sorry, they're looking at the credit card. It matches. It matches the card I pay with. Right, they swipe it, but then the real, on the receipt, the real number comes up. My number came up that it went to. This money went to his card, but on a card, they say it went to the original card. Anyway, yeah, so she got caught up like that. Like, I didn't forget, like everything was good, but I forgot when I swiped the card."
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"text": " Oh, my, my bank come up, so she got caught up in a store. And usually like, like, I'll be thinking about leaving people like in the store when a situation like that happened, because I know like the cops about to come. But"
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"text": " I jumped out my car. I'm running in a store looking for her because she was saying something like, oh, they don't want to let me leave at first or something like that. So now I'm running in a store. I'm trying to see if I can push a security guard down and something and just tell her run out. Like, like I see like I care. Like, no, I can't. I can't. Like this one is special. Like, like, like you were kind of little special to me. Let me come try to see what I could do. But by the time I get to her, um,"
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"text": " She she walking away. I'm walking to her. She walking to me and she got the receipt. I am she said like I did it. I'm finished I'm like, come on. So like you You plan she like not it was a surprise. It was a rise to me Every time I did it was easy when they start asking me questions I said, can I just give me the merchandise back and I just leave and they said no and I was telling her leave the merchandise and then she that's when she was like, oh they they telling me I can't leave so that's when I came in but they end up doing a return for"
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"text": " Like, it was crazy. It'd be times like where they think something going on, they think they own to something, but they're looking at the receipt. It's the same car she paid with. They probably looking at the hologram on the car and that's where she's getting scared. Like, like, like they looking into it because they feel like something going on, but they can't prove nothing right then and there. They can prove when a receipt, but they don't care. It's just like once the transaction is finished, that last receipt come up. You keep no matter of fact, you saw someone give it to them, then they give you one, but they don't never look at the last four. It's crazy."
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"text": " like, I don't know. I don't know. But after a while, I guess like, like, they caught on to that. But yeah, but I did my two years I came home. And I realized that the credit card game has changed. Because right before I went in, I started seeing a chip machines like, like"
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"text": " Like the registers looking different, they got new registers and they got like something where you could put like the card in. I'm like, Oh, this is crazy. But it wasn't, it wasn't activated. Like they used to have like little red cards stuck in them, like telling you not to use the chip, but they just had the record, the register data like footage chip, but it wasn't active. So by the time when I came home, it was active, the chip was running. So it was just different. Like now I know I couldn't do what I was doing before now."
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"text": " It was ways like you could bypass the chip like like you would take the card and you would like stick it in a chip the chip and then you would stick it three times you would put it in card error put it in card error the third time swipe the card like you can't read the chip swipe card please swipe it go through whatever that was good for a while we found out how to bypass the chip now and then that was working for a couple of months and then they stopped it all together they was like now if they see somebody bypassing the chip"
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"text": " They just not, they decline in the transaction. Then it was an amount like they only, it's only approving for $50. It was crazy. It was like now you have to do low amounts because anything higher than 100, they decline in it. So we're doing the gift cards. We take one gift card, jam it, jam it, jam it, swipe $50. Jam it, jam it, jam it, jam it, swipe $50. Ring the gift card back up, jam it, jam it, $50. Just sitting there. So now we have the registers."
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"text": " hoodie hoodie over just doing anything at this point like standing at the self checkout looking crazy and target like jam jam jam $50 jam jam just filling it up to the car with the clown no stop working so so yeah it was just crazy stuff i got locked up three more times when i came home"
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"text": " End up being like two of the cases end up being all of them really like when I finished parole, I didn't catch no violations, but I got a lot. I got arrested three times. What were those for? Just fraud. One of them I got caught in a hotel like just coming down and check up. I had swiped the rental like"
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"text": " Yeah, I was back to the rental. But I wasn't renting them. I was just getting them to drive. I swiped one rental book and they was holding the keys at the front desk for one of them. Like I had valet my car. So they was just like, oh, we don't feel like this your car or whatever the case may be. And I was trying to ask for my key back so I could leave. It's time to check out anyways. And then they waited for the cops to come. That was another day. Lock me up for that. And that one I ended up beating."
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"text": " I went to court. I don't know how. I went to court, case dismissed one day. I don't know, up to this day. And then my lawyer was like, you know, I could file a lawsuit against them. You got to case dismiss. And he was just telling me that whenever you got a case dismissed by the state, you know, you can file a lawsuit. And blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, all right, let's do it. I don't got nothing to lose. He's like, yeah, I don't got to pay nothing. Whatever, I'll take my cut. When we do the lawsuit, he did the lawsuit for me."
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"text": " Two years later, come pick up your check. What'd they settle for? It was like something low, like $20,000. And my lawyer took like $7,500 or something like that. Not too great. It was just small. Because we took the second offer. We ain't really waited out and see if they could go up or there."
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"text": " Yeah, it was crazy. When I came home, it was a lot going on. That's a whole other story. Even how I got to Florida, I ended up coming down here because I needed my car registered. At the time, me and my wife, we were separated at the time, so she lived in Florida here with her parents. I was still in New York."
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"text": " I was trying to get in car attack with her because my car got towed. That's the first thing and I was using Dilla Place. So they didn't want to give the car back to me. I got towed to New Jersey. They like a little more stricter out there than New York City. So they was just like, oh, we want the person who got the title to the car to come pick the car. Me and my wife is separated. So it was just weird. I had to call her and then, you know, like,"
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"text": " Look, how you doing? Um, I know we not on a good too much of terms, but they got the car and I need help getting it. So, uh, so she said, okay, um, I'm going on vacation like for a month. Um, I'll be back and try to get the car for you or whatever the case may be. And I'm like, oh, okay. So I didn't really think she was serious. So month to two month went by, um, ended up finding out like I had a daughter, um,"
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"text": " Went to Virginia. That's when I got caught up out there. Came out on bail. That's where my wife just got back now. Now she in Florida. She went to go get the car. I didn't even know. She came, got the car. When she came back, she came to New York, instead of going to Florida. That was the thing. She didn't go to Florida. She came to New York, got the car out."
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"text": " Park it at her brother house that lives in New York, and she went back to Florida. So last time I talked to her, I was like, yeah, so when they could come get the car, she was like, oh, the car's already at my brother house, this and that and the case and the third. And I was like, oh, I wanted you to tell me so you could just register it out here. Because the dealer place, they was from Florida. Like even the whole time when we was together, when I got the car, her name,"
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"text": " The place was always from Florida for some reason. Oh, because she had a Florida ID because she was already back and forth to her parents' house. So she ended up getting the ID out there. So when we was in New York together, when we got the car, she had a Florida ID. So they registered it with Florida Place. I don't really know how a car works too much, but that's what they end up doing. So she was just like, oh, I can't do it right now, right now, right now."
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"text": " I'm thinking how New York cops is. They're going to keep bothering me with these dealer plates because I got to get it renewed because the sticker, it was, it was passed due. And I usually get like new stickers from the dealer, but he don't work at the dealership no more. So now I can't pay him every year for like the insurance and get the new stickers. So I'm like, you know what? Listen, I'm going to come out here. I'm going to come out there and register the car. So that's what I did. I came, drove from New York, came all the way out of Florida."
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"text": " met up with her. We went to the DMV, got the car registered, and I was just like, all right, thank you. This is not a case. And I was about to drive back and she was just like, you know what? Like, I miss you and this and that. I was about to leave and"
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"text": " I was like, yeah, I miss you too. And I did miss the time. We caught up a little. So I'm like, oh, we had a good conversation. So it was a mutual agreement. So she was just like, yeah, just stay here with me for a while. Get your stuff together. And I'm thinking I still got the case there. I'm fighting it. And I just end up staying. I end up staying."
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"text": " Yeah, and I just, I was just, I was just figuring it out. I was just like, I was more telling her like, listen, I want to get this case out the way first, before I really start anything serious and start doing nothing. Because the worst thing I want to, the worst I want to do is start something, then I got to go away and leave it behind and leave you with everything. And I don't want to do that. So let me just fight this case for a couple of months, get it out the way so we can start doing what we got to do."
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"text": " So one couple of months turned into one year, one year turned into two years. And now like we just came to an agreement. Um, it was supposed to be in November. They pushed it up again to January, pushed it up again in February. So February for now, it's my sentencing date, um, for, for the charge I have in Virginia. So, um, my lawyer worked out a deal."
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"text": " Got like five charges dropped. It's two charges right now. And it's an agreement. They not charging me like what the charge hold, but just an agreement. Like I can be charged with no more than six month. So anywhere from zero to six month is the guy line that, um, we made a deal with, with the prosecutor that the judge can sentence me up to."
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"text": " And they have good time. It's like non-violent. 80% you do 85% of your time and violent do 95% or something like that. So I got to do 85, 80, 85, something like that. So six months. I'm looking at it. I got a month and a half and basically two months."
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"text": " About three months, two, three months. Yeah, about three, four, four months, anywhere. And that's if the judge say, I'm going to give you the max on your guy line, if I'm going to give you six months. So if you give me four months, I'm okay. Probably sit there for one day, go home. So that's what I'm dealing with right now. So that's just like the last berry I have right now."
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"text": " I've been looking into a lot of stuff like real estate. Just so much stuff like I'm learning now is so much you could do with your money like and like I said, I want to I want to do something that fits like even like I'm talking about like if a smoke shop like like I cannot explain it's like like a like a smoke like like any like any small business that I could just use run"
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"text": " That could generate revenue so I could do what I really want to do. Like I'm trying to find like little small revenues here and there, here and there, put something together and just start something. I don't want to speak it like I'm a believer. Like I don't want to put nothing out there. You got people that that took down on it or preyed upon it. So I got something that I want to do. I want to put together. I know what I want. I sat down. I plant it out. This is what I want to do."
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"text": " This is how much I need to do it. Unlike this. Oh, this is what I want to do one day. Like now I got down. I talked to a couple of people that's going to help me. I agreed to help me with it once I got everything out the way. So, so, so yeah, that's where I'm at. And I believe honestly, even coming to Florida, like it saved me. Like I'm not gonna lie. Like if my wife didn't stop me from leaving, like I don't know where I would be. I don't know what case I'd be fighting right now."
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"text": " going back into the same environment. I came out here, it was different. Her parents had to have a lovely, nice house in the community. It's just different. Never living outside of New York, coming here is different. Seeing these come, growing up in New York, if you grew up in New York, going out of town and"
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"text": " Seeing like nice houses gated communities like these are stuff like we seen like growing up on TV and stuff like that or like shows and stuff like they neighborhood look different from ours. We just got houses or touching together big tall buildings and stuff like that and no it's different. You got space here parking. It's not an issue. It's just nice weather. So it's just different. I feel like like I kind of got lucky like I got saved coming here to Florida."
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