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Hey y'all, Kiki's here! Matt! Matt! They would sit on my lap, just adult. I'm like, hi. I'm like, little help. Started crying. In my lap, just crying. I'm like, can somebody...
Hey you guys, me and Tom Simon went to a comedy show recently and we met Carl. Carl was the headline act and that's how he ended up on the podcast. Sorry, I missed the behind the behind the scenes story. How were you in prison? The quick version is the quick version is I was a mortgage broker. I owned a mortgage company.
Which in Florida is not hard to do. You know, you take your class, you get your take your little class, you get your little certificate and for back then for an extra $250, you could become a brokerage business. Then you hire other guys. So I was a mortgage broker for about a year, year and a half. And then I hired I started my own company and hired a bunch of guys. And then so I'm getting a piece of what they get. And very quickly, I had a dozen guys. The problem is from the very first loan I ever did contain fraud.
And it's like, you know, what guys are like, kind of like soft frog where you had a verification of rent and the my borrower had been 30 days late on her rent, like a year and a half ago, but that's a deal killer. She's not getting a 95% loan. That's over. You're done. You're done. Yeah. So, you know, I white it out, make a copy. I was told by my manager. This is what I do. Put it in there and then I would find it. Sure enough alone clothes made like 3,500 bucks. And
The next guy that comes in, you know, he made $55,000 on his W-2 that year. He made $60,000. He could get the loan. I got a degree in fine arts. So I white it out. I fixed this thing. I sent it in. Boom, loan closes. So very quickly, by the time these guys are working for me, we're all doing fraud. Within, let's say, two, three years, I get in trouble. It's complicated, but I was buying houses, renovating them, and selling them to my mother to get around something called seasoning. I mean, my mother, sorry. Did I just say my mother? My wife at the time.
So you could buy a house renovated, but you can't refinance it for a year at the new value. Got it. They make you wait a year. So but I could buy it renovated and sell to my wife at the time and her maiden name. So it's like a quick refund. Anyway, what ends up happening is a friend, the guy that a woman that worked for me started her own company. She got in trouble. She worked with the FBI. They bust me. But there was no dollar loss. So I get three years probation.
And I get divorced from my wife and what I decided to do was I decided, okay, I could go sell used cars, you know, and go move in my parents old my old bedroom, start my life over again, claim bankruptcy or I could just keep doing what I'm doing. I'm very good at it. This was a fluke.
That I got caught so I start I figure out how to get social security to issue me social security numbers to Children that don't exist by making fake birth certificates and fake shot records and I get and then I then build a credit profile on each one of those I then went into Ybor City and I bought houses for $50,000 did five or ten thousand renovations, but I recorded the value the sale of those houses at two hundred thousand and
in each one of these people's names. I then refinance those houses at the $200,000 level and the banks were lending me $180,000, $190,000, $210,000, $180,000, whatever. I only got $50,000 in it. I just made $100,000, $120,000. I would make the payments for six months and let them go into foreclosure. And each one of these guys bought, there's probably 10 of them, eight or 10 of them,
Each one of them bought five or six houses. So I would make about a million and change on each one after the cost maybe six, 700,000. Then I just kept buying and buying and I drove the value of the area from a medium price of about 100, 120,000 to 300,000. That's what Forbes said. So I borrowed 11 and a half million dollars doing that. My mortgage company had done about 40 million in taxes and fraudulent loans because I was still helping them.
I sold it to a guy that was a CPA. Anyway, eventually, the FBI comes to arrest me again, because, you know, you're not allowed to do that. And, and so they come to arrest me, I go on the run, I'm on the run for three years, I borrowed another three and a half million dollars, I get caught and I got caught in the bank, then I was actually handcuffed. But by that point, what I was doing was I started, because you can't these fabricated individuals that I was making,
I could get an ID in their name like I could go in the DMV and get them to give me an ID but I could never get a driver's license. So what I did was and don't judge me. I started surveying homeless people and so I got the homeless people's information and I would then go get a driver's license in their name in one of the states where they didn't have a driver's license. I get a passport and I was traveling whatever and and so I end up doing that. Like I said did another three and a half to four and a half million depending on who you believe and after three years and actually like I said, I got caught one time.
That actually has changed the scam that time. I actually just started buying houses, and then I would go downtown. I'd create a fake satisfaction of mortgage, and I'd satisfy the loan and public record. So now I own a $250,000 house.
With not no mortgage on it. And then I'd go to like four or five different banks and borrow money against the house all at the same time. So they'd lend me like 11 I'm sorry, like 1,000,000 or 900,000 800 1.3 million. So I pulled that money out. One time I got caught in a bank handcuff brought downtown I convinced I was number one on the Secret Services most wanted list and I convinced them that they had the wrong guy. I haven't done anything wrong. My name is Gary Sullivan. So yeah, they let me go. That was gonna be my next question is D is it like a gambling high?
Or is it like these people are stupid and I'm just gonna keep going? Because I feel guilty for nothing. I could do nothing and I'm still like, what did I do? I don't have any guilt.
I got pulled over so many times as this one guy. I had to go to traffic school as him.
So I was about to lose his license. I kind of want to lose his license. I got a car and a convoy. Like that is a lot to keep track of. As a matter of fact, that guy, I legally had his name changed just to see if I could do it, just to go through the process and actually paid a lawyer to change his name because, you know, I had the same name as him. So I wanted to go through the process. Like I was always doing, trying to figure stuff out. Why did, so you had, you obviously clearly had like enough money. Why didn't you just stop? So that's the whole thing is to answer that question. It starts off as,
If I could just get my bills paid. Sure. And then it becomes, you know, if I just had like, if I could just get like 100 grand in the bank, I'd have a cushion, I'd feel better. Okay. And then it's 500. And then you get to a million and then get to 2 million. And then the line is just blurred. And you just figure, you know what, I'm so fucking good at this. They're never going to catch me because I've been caught many times.
I've been arrested brought downtown convinced them the bank made a mistake. You need to let me go. They let me go. I've been chased by the US Marshals. I've been caught by the banks had meetings with lawyers been caught been told we're calling the FBI. This is fraud and said look, let me just pay you back. You call the FBI. You'll never get your money back, but I got your check right now for 200 grand. You can't do both. You call the FBI. You're going to get a fucking house. It's worth 40 grand back or you want your 200 grand. Which one you want the FBI digging through your files?
And then it's someone like Washington Mutual, they're like, you have the 200,000? I do. So eventually I get caught, I go to prison, I end up doing 13 years. There's more to that story too, but I get 13 years. So I got out five years ago. Wow. Like, first of all,
You have a brilliant mind. They should be interviewing you. What's funny is that you remember the guy that I was with?
the retired FBI agent. Oh, yeah. So he's he comes on the podcast all the time. His name is Tom Simon. And he's he's a remember he was a private investigator, Florida, licensed Florida private investigator, and he's a retired FBI agent. Really? Yeah. He investigated financial finance. Yes, you were sitting right there. Yeah.
That's the guy I meant. And what do you do? He's like, FBI. Yeah. And I was sitting right, I was with him. But it's so funny, because we Yeah, here. Well, I was gonna mention that that was hilarious about that was that my wife sitting next to me. So you went from the guy next to us. And you're joking with him. Yeah, the people behind
The one guy right the guys Oh, you didn't even tell Colby this the gambler guy. And then, you know, I wanted to turn around and say, Hey, bro, like if you could talk about that for an hour, we could do a podcast like this is not bad. And so then you went then you skipped me then you talked to Tom's son.
then you and just look my wife she looked at me and she's like oh boy what are you gonna say this guy hits you and starts giving you a hard time and then you jump you skip me and went to Tom
And I and I was just like, I was like, so weird, right? Yeah, I was like, boy, I said, what's funny is I'm about to blow all these fuckers. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's he's he was the comedian. I just said, you know, and it's funny, because I don't work for the crowd. Yeah, I don't even riff that much. A lot of times, like when I'm doing a set, but it was small grew. Yeah. And this that environment, you know, is conducive. And then plus the guy, I don't know, people, it just was an interesting crowd.
But the fact that I hit almost everybody and then it went skipped over. When we left, she goes, what would you have said if he had asked you, what do you do? I said, I would have said I run a true crime podcast. And then she was like, she goes, well,
She said, do you think it was said? I said, of course, he's immediately gonna say, Oh, wow, how do you how'd you get into that? Yeah, I said, I'm gonna say, Oh, well, I did 13 years in federal prison for being a con man. I said, and then it's gonna explode. You're off the hook in the bag. Right. And then he's gonna start asking questions. And I have all these funny things. But but it was felt so funny, too. Because the crowd was so small. I thought, these guys are gonna, I don't these guys are gonna ignore, they're not even gonna mention how small this crowd is.
That we're in a movie theater. Yeah, right. And we're in there. So we are seven people in the crowd. Nobody's gonna address that. But then everybody did address and then you came in and you addressed it. Yeah. And I thought that was hilarious. You know, they're all like, well, you know, hey, so I'm a stand up comedian. But I mean, based on the crowd, you can see I also have a regular job. They all go in and out. Then they start joking around about the crowd. And you know, we're in a movie theater, like, you know,
Last night, it was funny. There was like a whole family and they had shirts on it. What did it say? Forced family fun. Shirts. I mean, it was funny. And then there was this kid and Carl's, you know, like, you're the grandma, you're the mom, okay, like figuring out everybody's family and then, oh, you're the grandson.
And he kept like going to the grandson. Okay, grandson. And then finally, he's like, what's your name in Zack? Okay, nice stash, you know, whatever did it turns out he plays for the Cardinals, like he's a professional pitcher for the Cardinals. And I'm like, you know, Wikipedia, it was interesting people in there. Everybody you talk to.
was interesting. Nobody sat there and said, I'm a Walmart manager. Nobody said that. I told her when I got home, the guy lost $30,000, like his wife lost $30,000 on a cruise, penny slots. Like how do you lose penny slots? Well, there's more to that story too. Yeah, there was. He kept going. Apparently she had won a bunch of money
A few weeks before that and then went on a cruise and then lost all the money and then went to another guy when he wouldn't lend her any money. She's like, I need you to let me some money and lied to her. I mean lied to him said told him. Oh my car got stolen or something. I got robbed. I don't have any money. I don't know. He was just like, I don't think it was his wife. I think was girlfriend. Yeah, and then he was like, he was like, yeah. Okay. Well show me the receipt.
Show me the stuff and I'll lend you the money and she was she got upset with him then contacted another guy and he lent her some money and he said, yeah, we're done. She's got a she's obviously a gambling got a gambling habit. Now you're trying to you've lost all your money, including the money that you just won. And now you're coming after me to give you more money, right? Which is and you're lying to me. You're not saying I got a problem. I'll go to like, I would actually lend you the money. If you're going to you realize you said look, I thought yeah, here's what I did. I'm gonna change.
And that's what I want to ask you to okay, really last question. What was your turning point like where you were like, I got 26 years.
I got it down to 13. You could have been hustling in prison though and could have been doing your thing or whatever but but what like changed you as the man that you come out of prison like okay?
You have to be changed because you wouldn't be married.
In a good relationship. I think that's probably just you get older, right? Like I would say, because a woman needs security. Yeah, no that. Yeah, I would say that that's definitely a change, but I also think that's just older. Like I don't you know, I don't. So one thing when I was younger, obviously you're extremely sorry, insecure, sorry, extremely insecure, you know, which of course, obviously I'm still insecure. But at that point, I was probably
It started with a scream inside a quiet Maryland home, a mother trying to protect the family dog and her son in the grip of a violent hallucinogenic rage. By the time it was over, she was dead, and he claimed LSD made him do it. His name, David Minor IV, and we talked to him. Listen to Invisible Choir every other week as we uncover the most haunting true crimes you've never heard of, available wherever you get your podcasts.
Very insecure. I was desperate to make you know, my father proud to be to live up to his expectations, which you know, I never did. And, you know, just, I, you know, it's all look at me, look at me, look at me, right, which is still is. But, you know, you go to prison, and it's funny, I, I met a friend in prison named Pete, and I don't think Pete even realizes
that this is how I feel, you know what I'm saying? And I think it probably was probably not like a moment. Does that make sense? It's probably a period of time. And it really and I remember Pete saying, and I was, I was, I think he stole this from Einstein, but and it was basically he used to say, you can't come to prison and behave in the same manner that led you to prison.
Get released and not expect to come back. Yeah, because if you're there long enough and I know Pete had been there long enough Pete did 26 years exactly and Pete and if I was 13, I can I tell you how you want to talk about depressing you watch some crackhead and when I say crackhead some guy who probably got 10 years for selling
For bringing a gun to a $20 rock sale, like just the dumbest fucking thing you could ever think. You just spent half a million dollars to lock this guy up because he's a crackhead. You're just an idiot. That's just stupidity. But you see this guy finish his sentence, get out, come back on a violation for his probation because they don't just release you. You have probation. Get out on a violation.
Quash, because usually when they send you back, they'll say like, let's say you have three years paper, they'll send you back for a year, and you don't have paper anymore, because you obviously can't do it. So you're just gonna do another year in prison. It's like, all right, what do I care? I just did 10 years. So he comes back, gets out after a year. So now I've seen you once I saw you finish your sentence, get out, come back, do another year, get out again, get another charge, come back for three years, get out,
So complete that sentence, get out, get on probation, get another violation, come back and get out again, and I'm not halfway done with my sentence.
And you have to start realizing like, and it's not just that it's lots of guys. You see guys that you're like, this guy has he has a college education. He's smart. I spent two years talking to this guy. He's brilliant. He's amazing guy. He's funny. He's charismatic. He got out and he had a plan and he had a support group. His parents were there. His brother was going to give him money. They were going to start a business. They're going to go into construction. You can do that with a felony. You know, they had a play. His brother was already in construction. He's already he's going to come and he goes out and three years later, bam, he's back.
I need to figure out some way I can get out of here and not come back. And part of that is I have to stop thinking the way I'm thinking. And two, I need to not do things for money.
I need to start doing, I need to figure out, I used to say this all the time, guys like, what are you going to do when you get out? I'm like, I'm going to figure out a way to make a living just being me. And they were like, what does that mean? I'm like, I'm going to figure out how to make a living just doing the things that I would do if money wasn't an issue.
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I wrote, I did podcasts, I started doing speaking engagements, and I paint. I have a degree in fine art. So I started painting. So I paint. So I like to paint. I could get paid for painting. You paint in prison? Yeah. Well, I did it a little bit and I drew but mostly what I did was write the true crime stories because I figured at some point, I could get out and I'd optioned. I optioned the life rights of a couple people while incarcerated and got paid. So I thought, wow, if you know you've got me over a barrel here,
And you just cut me a check for six grand or seven grand. What are you going to do when I'm a force to be reckoned with? What are you going to do when I have a website and I have access to multiple stories and I'm writing and I have books and I transform myself? Now you're not going to give me six or seven grand for an option. Now I'm going to get paid. And what if I could get a series made? What if I could get a movie made? I mean, not that I care, but it's fun.
I would joke around. Did you squirrel any money away? Did you bury it under a rock? It was like the Dateline or the American Green, one of them was like, and to this day, $5 million is still missing. That was bastard. You know how many people- Like your date, like Fargo, you're in the snow? I used to say, if I could have arranged it, because my ex-wife used to say, I know you got money,
Yeah, yeah.
It's such a cool evolution, honestly, because it's like you're chasing money, you're running from the insecurities that are nipping at your heels constantly, and now you full circle and you've made the pain your purpose.
And you're in like this really cool authentic place. Honestly, I think this is like the lesson of the ages that everyone when you get to that authentic place of, you know, making your pain your purpose. That's that's where that's the money spot right there. That's the sweet spot.
This is it's not just women too. Yeah, like I get emails from guys all the time. I get Instagram bro. You're so inspiring your stories inspiring what you're doing is you've convinced me to do this and that and I stopped feeling bad for my and they start telling me all these things that I'm thinking I've never tried to be inspiring. I have never said one inspiring thing.
I've never made an attempt to do this and yet I get I honestly it's it is probably at least once a day I get that or even like I said when we went we went to dinner first with the with Tom and his wife. We went there and when we sat down Tom's wife said she said
And I was like, Hey, what's going on? How are you don't matter. And she sat down and she's looking at me a couple times. And I said, you know, I said something to her. And she said, Yeah, I've watched is I've watched all your stuff. She's I've watched a lot. Not all of it. She's I've watched all the ones you did with Tom and a few others. And she goes, Honestly, I'm just fascinated by your story. Like, just the way you've turned this around is just amazing. And I look at my wife, my wife is just like, this again, was Tom one of the people that busted you?
No, no, no, he just he has a huge present. He's got like 250,000 followers on Instagram, another hundred and something thousand on tik tok. And yeah, think about that. I always wanted to ask his wife like 2000. I wanted to ask his wife has to be like, this guy is a button down. FBI agent for 25 or 26 years he worked, retires and starts posting
on and figures he's going to be a private investigator, just, you know, something that you want you just, you know, he's 53, 54, he can't retire, like, what are you gonna do at 54? You're gonna retire? So he's like, Yeah, I'll do I'll go get my license. And I'll do stuff on the side starts posting these little, little videos on Instagram, blow and tik tok blows up like what kind of video little things he's like, you know, John Peters, you know, was a teller at a bank, and he tells a little, a little minute and a half to two minute
Story about how John Peters embezzled a million dollars and then was eventually caught because of this and this and this and then went on the run and then this and then he tells a little story. Some of them are his stories. Some of them are just he just pulls them right off of the Department of Justice press releases and then he'll do some research. And he'll put together a little story and he'll tell he does it every day. They're hugely popular and he's great at it.
And he is so now his private invest his private investigative company or firm is it's it's blown up and we we met him and I believe Colby contacted him and said hey was it you or was it was it.
Might have been Tyler. So somebody, one of us contacted him and said, hey, would you like to come on this podcast? You're in Jacksonville, would you mind? I got on the phone. He said, yeah, can we do this remote? And I was like, I'd rather have you drive down. And I said, you know, we'll picture this, we'll picture that. He's like, yeah, I don't really need you to pitch anything. I'm pretty much kicking ass anyway. But he said, you know what? He said, yeah, let me think about this. And he came back. He goes, yeah, I talked to my wife. Yeah, I'm going to drive down. So he drove down, did one. It did pretty well. He's been on twice since then.
And, you know, there's, and we keep running into each other to like, we keep getting contacted by the same producers, who they'll interview him, then they'll interview they a week later, they interview me, he'll find out that they just are that they're also considering me. We've also supposed to, I was being considered to be a
What do you call it? An expert witness in a court trial and two of the lawyers were on board with it and one was absolutely against having this con man testify and so they ended up contacting him and while they were talking to him.
They said, he said, Well, who else are you considering for this? Well, there's also this other guy and the problem is this and he explains he goes, I know Matt Cox very well, he said, and if you're considering using him, I would rather not be considered. He's an expert at this. He's this, I think you should. He's and they said, Well, we'd really like to, you know, consider both views. Well, let me see if he has an issue with it. He has an issue with it. I'm gonna bow. So he called me said, Look, here's what's going on. What do you think? I said, Yeah, I don't care if they pick you or me. I don't care. They picked him. And then by the way, the guy they lost,
They lost. I mean, I think I would have been compelling on the stand. But that's fine. You went with the you went with the solid. The sure thing that didn't always work out. How did you guys meet to get to the comedy show? Oh, his so his wife they were his son is down from I want to say he's I'm gonna say FSU. He's down from FSU. Yeah. Yeah. And okay, good.
and they were going someplace in Tampa to go they were doing a little vacation and part some of the stuff was in Tampa and his wife said oh Matt's gonna be there we should meet Matt but it wasn't Tom's idea that irritated me. Their dynamic is funny because Matt is will cut up and like because he'll come on tell fraud stories how he catches these criminals and he's very straight this is what this is what happened this is what happened this is how I did it these are the facts yeah these are the facts and Matt's like
he's like man i feel bad for the guy like can you just cut him a break like joking around the guy's 65 years old you send him to prison for four years he could die because he's fine he goes he embezzled fifty thousand dollars like we didn't get the money for god's sake we'll have this whole thing and he's like and he's like your your your empathy for these criminals disturbs me he did seem pretty straight he is his son because he followed me on instagram like i looked at see what's on
And so he goes to FSC, but he's an actor. He says actor, like, why won't you come up and talk to me?
You know what's funny? You're not a very good one. He's also, I think, is 20. He's also a lifeguard. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's like a lifeguard. He's, you know, he's not, he's 20. Yeah, actor. Give it six months. Six months will be something completely different. It won't be biology anymore. It'll be completely different. Yeah, he was going to school for biology, but he wanted to skydive.
Yeah, he said, I want to jump out of planes and I'm like, huh? You went to school for marine biology. What are we done with my questions? To your inspiration point, Carl's working on a bit about how positive people are so annoying. I went to I went to LA.
Four years ago, I went to LA and this is when I was doing a bunch of podcasts before I think I just started this or knows before I started this, but actually went to LA. I did I go to what a jackass move. I mean, I made some real mistakes. You know, I'm going all these big podcasts. I have nowhere to send these people like I got out. I don't really understand how to.
how to kind of funnel everything towards a platform where you get that that's monetized so that it's beneficial. Instead, I'm just like, Oh, I'm going to go on so-and-so's podcast and so-and-so was like, why? Oh, just to get exposure to what in like, I don't know. Anyway, what ended up happening was I went
to L.A. and I went on a few of them.
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And one of them I was supposed to be on was Kill Tony. And so they had me scheduled, but I had a meeting with a producer to pitch a series.
And well, it was a producer director that I was hooked up with and we had one with another producer. So he was like, this is what it is. And so I couldn't do kill Tony. I've never been so relieved in my life because you have to do like a full minute. You have to do like a well back then. I don't know what it is now. Yeah, they you had to do a one minute skit. Yeah, and I remember thinking.
And they're like, Oh, you're funny. You could do that. I'm like, No, no, I'm not funny. You know, it's not, it's not fucking easy to be funny for a full minute. I don't know who thinks that's funny. You can't just, you have, you got to be so, but you're smart. That doesn't mean anything. You have to be clever. You have to be sharp. You have to be on your feet. That's like working the crowd. That could go bad. To do a minute is hard. Right. That's what I'm saying. Even get somebody to laugh in a minute. That's what I'm saying. There's no build up. Five minutes. Yeah. And it's funny because they were, everybody was like, no, you're funny. I'm like, no, you don't understand. My stories require set up.
Yeah, like I can tell a funny story in the course of telling things that happened in prison, but I have to explain that I went to prison. Here's why I went to prison. A minute's over. It's already over. Yeah, even if I just said bank fraud and moved on doesn't matter that each one of these stories is has a it's still a couple still a minute at least two minutes like what am I I'm not gonna and even their comics I see that are on there. It's kind of like they're just weird. And that's what's funny. Yeah, because you're not really they're not really
comics. A lot of these guys are like, just quirky dudes that are just starting comedies. But then they're getting this name, and then headlining. Right. And then crowds are going to see these guys and they're not that good. They're not that strong. They can't handle hecklers. I would say I've said this a few times is that there was a Barbara Walters
the last Barbara Walters interview that she did like before she like retired. I don't know where she was right. She's probably still doing it now that they retire a few times, but she was retiring. And the person interviewing her said, you know, what are the smartest people? What's the smartest group of people you've ever interviewed? And she was comics. And they went and and she went really just why would you say that she's like you've interviewed
Scientists, it might have been a man interviewing her. There's like scientists, politicians, you've interviewed lawyers. Why? She says you have to be really, really fast and smart to be able to be funny at the drop of a hat. And she said there's some of the best conversational issues and there's some of the funniest people. She says you have to be super smart. She says it's a different kind of humor than a scientist. Scientists are not funny.
Yeah, but you know, she had a whole little bit of her own doing that. And I remember thinking that boy, that is true. I think that's true. You're underrated. You know, people think, oh, he's funny. There's no stupid comics. You don't really know. Unless they're not funny. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of stupid comics. But yeah, no, it's, I don't, you know, I wouldn't consider ourself myself a genius or anything. But yeah, I guess in that moment in that that realm, right of
off the cuff, but I think you're kind of kind of born with it, or you know, it's more natural than anything. I don't think it's a learned. But you have to be have some kind of intellect to read a room and to have self awareness and to know when to pivot and to know how to manage a crowd and plus some time in the moment takes time, you know, it takes five years for a comic to even really know. Like you imagine starting something to go and I'm not even going to be decent at this till five years from now. Yeah.
I'm living it right now. I'm living it right now. What are you talking about? I looked on your page and I'm like, Jesus. I've got 28 years in stand-up game. I've got 2,900 followers. 2.900. But that's the thing. Now I'm starting. I just shot my comedy special after 28 years. I finally just shot a couple weeks ago in December.
Where was that? That was in a theater in Vero Beach, the Riverside Theater. Okay. Yes, it's beautiful. It's like we got seven cameras, a crane. So it's gonna be it's gonna look great. And I did an hour, you know, straight, straight material. But it's like, now, I'm deciding I got to take charge of my career.
Yeah, 28 years, maybe I should put up some clips. Yeah. It's like, nobody knows who I am, you know, and then I made a movie. And it's like, now I got a first movie and a first name, but nobody knows who you are. Yeah, I was gonna say, and I would say the other thing is too. And it's a PJ, which is Tom's son was like, we were sitting there. And he goes, he goes, What do you think these guys get paid for, for something like this? And I
I looked around the room, the 27 and I went I said, yeah, bro, I'm thinking it's like 5075 bucks. I said, yes, you have to think I said the disparity between being a comic that travels has a travels around and does this. I said and actually then has like a comedy special I said is huge like you're going from this is enough to like they're giving me a free pizza out of the yeah, you know free.
A 12 inch pizza, you know, and a coke for free and you know, $30 or 50, whatever it is. Basically, which is the gas to get here. And here's half a million dollars to do a special. I'm like, but it's I said, but think about the amount of work that somebody has to do to get to that point and the luck, the luck, yeah, a lot of it's luck. It sometimes does have to do a talent luck and some putting in being in the right place, right? Plan, you know, right time talking to right people helps networking helps. But
Yeah, I started in the 90s. And it was like, to feature I got paid 100 bucks. That's the middle guy. Yeah. And today, I get paid 100 bucks.
Right. Just like with inflation, like 30 years has gone by. Same amount, you know. It's funny because when the first guy came on, he did the whole, oh yeah, he's like, I have a day job. And I looked at him immediately. He's like, I told you. Yeah, it's funny because I actually gave him that. I'm like, he's like, I work at Costco. And
I'm struggling even closing out the room, you know, it's like it's not a lot because obviously not a big comic so I'm not getting like a door deal or anything. Right. I'm hoping people should
For real a lot of comedy I mean that there's comics that sell out and you know They make those are the guys that make the money. There's tik-tok stars That are committed cuz they draw it doesn't matter. Have you seen I was gonna say this shit has to there's a black girl that does
That she plays a black girl. She's obviously it's a skit. Now the first one I saw I didn't think was a skit. Have you ever seen her where she she acts like she's being interviewed?
And she's sitting there. She's like, y'all, I don't even care. Like, so you know, my boyfriend's gone. I don't even care if he's gone. But you know, I mean, when you get the camera going, I'll act like I'll do the crying and everything. I'll do all that because you know, like I want you know, but nobody took I just think he run off. And she does this whole kind of this ghetto black girl thing. And she starts talking. But it's hilarious because she's talking because she doesn't think they're they're filming her. And then they're like, Okay, ready? Because she's like, Okay, you guys read? Okay, okay.
Darice and she does a whole thing and halfway through she stops and she kind of goes she's like what I heard somebody say live y'all been filming the whole time you know but she has a whole have you seen that is she talking to herself no she's talking to herself no she's talking to a film crew film crew okay she'll talk about like how her her her cousin is missing she's like they're talking about she abducted abducted she 400 pounds you need to be checking the local McDonald's
She has all these different skits. But when you see it, for one of, she did one of them and I really thought, she's, I think this is real. Like it was, she was so good. She never breaks character, but she's got a whole channel of them. I'll bet you she makes
You do a good Indian
What are you talking about? You make me blush. Yeah, but I was gonna say you got to get on that. Yeah, yeah, I have a page, but we're gonna set because once the specials out of clips, actually, you know, film the set I did when you guys were there. So I have those riffs now. And we're gonna start doing more of that. Yeah. Just because like,
which I should have been on. We have been pandemic. Yeah, Bob, Bob, the opening guy. Yeah, yeah, guys like he does all the editing and producing and stuff. So and I get him stage time and yeah, after the show, like I, I go up to Carl and immediately I'm brushed off the Bob, Bob's like, you'll be stepping over here. No, Bob did that on his own. Normally I'd be like, give me your number. Bob was like, I want to talk to him. I'm like, what are you doing?
But yeah, no, he'll do the clips but we're gonna start that and cuz it's we you know, Matt, right
comedian. But he's the good looking comic does. You're the one who doesn't know. Yeah, he's okay. Yeah, yeah, I know. And just you know, he does his thing. I worked with him. I worked with him. We worked on them twice. I opened for him in Naples one year. He's still young. He's coming out like I'm opening up for this kid, you know, just you know, this many years old. And then there was not really anybody there. And then the last time I worked with him was like,
It was like the Beatles, Beatlemania, all these girls in crop tops. But that weekend, he was there. He only had a couple hundred thousand followers on Instagram. And I remember his Instagram was shut down that weekend. So he didn't even have it open because he got some trouble for some. He said something about Ukraine. And then all of a sudden, he didn't realize the shows were kind of busy. They were pretty packed down. He was surprised. He didn't even know what happened. And at the end of the week, he was always supposed to... Pretty packed out.
lined up for a mile, all young girls and their mothers. I'm like, I got up there, I'm like, I have nothing to say to you. We're not going to find common ground here. Like he would, he would just touch his hair and the girls were like, I recognize the name from my wife. He didn't, he didn't even know he was going to be that bitch. So at the end of the week, he was supposed to get like maybe like 1500, two grand. The donor cuts him a check for like 12 grand. And he's like, what is this?
He's like, we sold out every show. That was the biggest. So he's like the biggest check he's ever had. Then after that weekend, he worked with me. It's just a couple of looking at like a couple million followers. Now he's up to almost 9 million. After like just two years, he's making almost 100 million a year.
like it's and he goes from a tiktok some tiktok videos went viral well i mean look there's one i didn't want to post look at the look at the hoctua girl oh my god yeah she's going to jail right yeah you know that story i feel like she should be going to jail she did with the whole the rug pull yeah when she was did she did a scam right yeah it's called the rug pull a rug pull it's basically a it's
It's basically a pump and dump, but they're using crypto pump and dump scheme, but they call it a rug pull. You just jack up the price and you buy it all high and everybody rushes in and the price goes up high and then you sell everything you have out, just like a typical stock scan. You get in early, you guys pump up, they pump up the value of the stock. So everybody thinks it's amazing. They start buying the stock for $100.
And then you sell all of your stock immediately at the at the high level then everybody then the stock plummets because everybody sees the sales and you just dump your $30,000 life savings as a 35 year old man. You'd put 30 $30,000 to Hawk to a girl. Yeah into Hawk to a Hawk to a currently is that the attraction was because she got on board and they're like, oh
$35,000 my life savings my kids college fund into this and now it's worth $2,000 and I was like you dumped your kids college fund into an investment
but this is the insanity of fame like you get fame and people it's like this thing that people all aspire to or want or need or it's like a gambling addiction or yeah like they want to be around you if somebody's popular and she's partnered with she like partnered the podcast with like uh jake paul's like company which they've been in and out of cryptos and like the crypto is like breeding ground yeah all their cryptos are yeah for degenerate gamblers people are just
You know pumping in and what was funny about the hawk to a thing is Like a day or two after the rug pool would happen They're having a big Twitter space like everybody's on a voice call and she's just in the background It's all these people who were managing the project talking saying like and this wasn't a scam this what or whatever and out of nowhere She just popped on she's like, hey y'all Well, anywho, I'm going to bed now I talked to you in the morning and then she just like disappeared for a month Yeah, and then she's she is she gonna do
We had a lawyer on here and we asked him about that and he didn't think her specifically. He said he thinks someone will eventually be made an example of because this has been happening for four years probably with crypto and NFT booms. It's like all these influencers have been pulling and doing all these things, but really
There was a kid, just recently, because crypto started going up again, so everybody's getting back into it. There was a kid, he looks like he's 12 or 15, can't even drive.
There was this platform where you can create your own account and he created an account and made 20, 30 grand and sold it right away, like live. Um, so it's, yeah, it's insane. I'm doing something wrong. I'm just telling jokes and that's the thing with popularity. Like I'll get, I'll get all open for some big acts, like names that aren't that strong on stage and I'll crush the shot like 25 in front of them.
Almost burial right and then they get up there and it's it's mediocre and uh, and this that's not even bragging That's just what the facts i've been at stand-up all my life. Maybe they just started they were famous, right? You know, and so they just they're working out of that. Yeah, and then they get off and it's just like
They're taking all the pictures, not one. Well, they can once a picture with me like this, like, excuse me, is that the guy? Oh, you were funny, too. Yeah. But that's the thing with it doesn't matter. You know, I always I've used this as an example is that American Idol, like the top 10 people that make American Idol, I don't know if it's 10 or 12. I forget what it is, whether that first group that makes it
They're all amazing. Yeah, every one of them is out. You're like amazing amazing amazing and then in the end one gets it and even then that person you might hear about them for the next year and then most of the time they're gone one or two have made it but even then and these other people that were there like you just never hear from them again and you think
They're all phenomenal. So there's there's 10s of 1000s, not hundreds of 1000s of amazing singers, singers, comics, actors that like it's just it's just something a lot of it it's talent. But ever there's lots of talent to be able but it's talent and it's luck and it's being in the it's it's that combination. And, you know, it just that's why you can't I can't and grit you can't get upset. You can't get upset. Like I can't get upset opening
for, you know, I had this, well, I wasn't opening for him because I was opening for another comic, but got a kid dropped in to do a spot. And he was like a magician, 16 year old 16 year old, and he was on the spectrum.
He was like, he had like autism or something. Because in the green room it was like, I was like, hey, how you doing? He's like, nah, hi, how are you? And I'm like, this kid's going on stage? This is going to be brutal. Yeah. Like, he's doing magic? Well, this is right before Carl's going to shoot his special. So he was trying to get a lot of time to work out his things to get ready for his special. And it's like, this is so humbling. Yeah, I'm shooting and then this robot's going up there. So I introduced the kid.
his parents are there. I'm going to hammer in my special set so I'm just banging up. I'm just hammering. I'm just a kid, poor kid. His parents are watching and I'm just filthy animals opening for him.
And then I bring him up and then he's like, he's all, hey, I'm like, where was that? I wanted to get, like when he got off, I wanted to be like, I didn't see that guy backstage. There was like nothing going on in there. And then he got up, it was weird how he turned it on. But that's the humbling thing. It's like, now I just opened for that guy, the kid. And then like his mom took my number. It's like, if he could ever get up in front of you, if you were headlining, can he,
I'm thinking no, I would put this guy in front of my crowd like just poor kid like who shouldn't be.
I thought you were going to say got up anyway. Amazing. I would have thought, yeah, if that was the case, I'd be like, well, I don't mind opening for him. Maybe I'll probably be opening for him next week.
But no, it was ridiculous. I think he got a pass because of his age, you know, it's like, oh, well, that's cute. And then he berated him a little bit. It's just funny, like just how comedy works. And like, you never know who's you're opening for, whatever, like some TikTok dude will come in, it's just got this huge following is just social media will absolutely
Explode. Um, have you seen? Well, uh, have you seen that, you know, Dax playing? He's very, he, he probably is some type of autistic or something, but, um, he, he wants to be like a standup comedian or like his whole, his whole page is kind of turned into comedian. So, and he is extremely, extremely awkward and, uh, he'll go to these comedy clubs and get up there and tell these jokes. And I mean, they are.
I think I've seen that guy. He's got like long kind of like Auburn hair, curly, maybe like, you know, yay high. And they're bad, corny, bad, bad, corny, but he's just so awkward. He's like a cult like following on social media. And it's just awkward. It's like, I'm thinking these guys, like they go to, uh,
They go to these comedy clubs and the people there, like if they don't know them, they probably think like, this is absolutely horrible. But those same exact clips go viral online because they know this guy, they see him every day and they've just grown to love, like, you know, love his style or his awkwardness. Yeah. And it's, which is not funny if you don't know him. Yeah. If you don't know him. So it's like the actual experience there in the club, like probably like isn't very good. Yeah. But the viral virality of it online is
Yeah, I've seen famous people that that you know, maybe got, you know, something happened with their acting career or whatever. And, and they come on stage and they're just trying to work out an act and people want to see the character from the TV. Right? Oh, yeah, get this guy fumbling through jokes. It's like,
So it's weird to see because I'm like, at least I'm glad I'm not that try to be something I'm not. Yeah, at least at least Seinfeld gets to be Seinfeld on and off. Yeah, and then they have it luck, they have it easier to it like as a comic now and nobody knows who I am. So I walk up there.
Now it's like everybody in the audience like make me laugh trying to prove you're trying to prove myself. It doesn't matter, you know, and I will you open for like a bigger comic they get a pass right there. They already know who this guy is. Yeah, they're ready. They're ready to go right there. And then by the obviously by the time he gets up there you've been through you've been
You that was the first there's like what one or two guys opener and in the middle at opener in the middle guy like they've obviously that they've prepared the audience for this guy by the time he gets he starts getting lack of their ways already in the mood to laugh now there. Yeah, but I've I've stood in the back and watched Carl on stage and then the headliners standing back with me and they're like agitator like get them off get them off early get them off for it like he had he's too good.
And then, you know, he brings the energy so high that the headliner can't continue that. So it's like, quick, quick, get them off with you guys. Like I played around a lot. Right. And just in kind of but when I'm doing a 20 minute set, right, it's just boom, boom, joke, joke, joke. How long were you up there for? Like I did like almost 50, which you got really
Yeah, see quicker, right? Yeah, if you just said 20 or 30 minutes, I know. Yeah, because that and that's good. That's fun that that then you know, you're doing a good job when it feels like she's only been 10 minutes. Yeah. Yeah, I thought that the work in the room would would be good.
Yeah, it was was good. Sorry. It is easier to do that, especially when there's a good room. All right, and that guy started kicked it off with the $30,000. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the guy he immediately went into. Yeah, you don't want to you don't want to call somebody snitch get punched. Oh, yeah, like Johnny Mitchell. Jimmy. Johnny Mitchell. Yeah. Yeah, that's Johnny Mitchell. Johnny Mitchell is a guy that has a huge, a huge
What YouTube sorry, yeah, he's podcast very similar to this tick tock. He's probably got everything I think I only know but he's been on the program and he's been interviewed me but he was a he was he's actually got a funny story. He anyway he was a it's changed. It's changed which is what it was probably the only issue I have when he's very he's very nice and he's one of those guys that you you want to dislike.
being kind of in the professional and having some issues there. And then you want to dislike him. And then he came here and he was he was so fucking charming. It was irritating. Do you know what I'm saying? Where you're just like, oh, you're so charming. I wanted to do that. I want to hate you. And, you know, just just get the door full. He just came in. He compliments my wife. Tell you, tell me I watch all your stuff, bro. I'm a huge fan. Stop it. Yeah.
But yeah, he was but he was great came on to the podcast, but he was basically so there the issue is initially he was basically kind of like a low level. This is funny because it may have changed whatever it may have evolved but when he got out of prison initially he came out and he said they just got out of prison and he went in for a few years.
And he was selling some grass and got caught and went to prison did a few years and got out and that was it, you know, but then over the years, and then he started doing comedy. Well over the years, he became a big time dealer with the cartel that they got him for something minor and he went to prison. So it's like your story is evolved quite a bit. But whatever, put that aside, you know, these embellishing
I think so. Yeah, I think so. But here's the problem is once again, I like him like now. I kind of like him like you kind of root for him, right? And so so I mean that and that's kind of what's just out there on the internet, but I think he's probably quashed a lot of and then anytime you talk to a guy who's a real guy who's really dealt in in drugs and cartel with the cartel and everything they're like, yeah, half of what he's saying doesn't make sense. But regardless, he has a massive following and once again, he's he's a comedian and he's extremely funny.
You know, and so and on top of that, very smart and has a massive platform right now. But here's why that happened. And everyone's like, Oh, cuz he's amazing. Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. He is amazing. He's like I said, he's all those things. I'm not taking any of that away from him. I think probably what happened was he did go to prison because he was selling grass not at the level he was selling that he says he is now but that's neither here nor there went to prison. But while he was in prison,
He started doing comedy because guys were like, bro, you're funny. You're funny.
Actually did comedy in prison, which is funny because you go to prison and people realize like you go to prison. It's its own world. You're you're trapped there inside these gates, but there's 1800 people or 2000 or 3000 inmates in there and you all live together. So it's his own community. So you do have talent contest. There's bands guys play their football teams. There's you know, there's amazing guitar players and there's there's all these things that are happening to keep yourself entertained. So he start doing comedy.
And he did comedy and did really well at it. He said, but my thing is, he's like, like, I didn't know if it was just because I'm in here that I'm funny. Am I funny outside? And everyone's like, you got to be a comic comic. So he got out and he started doing comedy. And he got up and so there was a video of him, where he got up and he's doing comedy at a comedy club. And a guy in the crowd, he's working the crowd, right? Super smart guy, he can
So he would you call it riffing? Yeah, riff, improv. Yeah, he's bam, bam, bam. And a Mexican guy is there. And this is what kills me. This is why I know you were never in a serious, serious prison. Because if you were in a serious if you were really in a pen, you would have never thought to say this. The guy says something is Oh, you went to prison for what? Oh, how much were you moving? He has a conversation with them like what you were doing. And the guy said, I went for like,
a year or two or something said a smaller sentence is, oh, you must have snitched on somebody. Okay, I don't know what you're thinking. But if you were in a penitentiary, and you you don't even joke, you don't even joke about it. The way guys out here will be like, ah, bitch, you're crazy. You don't even say that ever. If you're there are certain things, you know, you don't say that. Don't don't joke about that. Don't use that word. Don't what level were you in? I mean, I was I was at a medium medium.
for three years and then I went to I did nine years in a in a low security prison and I was in the US Marshals for one year so it's total is just shy of 13 but but so Johnny ends up saying oh well you must have snitched this guy attacks him I mean comes up on stage runs up there like tackles him throws them on there like they get into a full but you if it goes off film
Anyway, Johnny's like, you know what people realize like I started getting the better of him They stop it bro that dude that guy's like five foot six. You're six foot four He threw you off the stage like he attacked you and this is online. This is all yeah The video is is funny, but you don't you know Like if you had really been in a in a real serious prison even now like you I never say like your guys are like, oh bitch You're crazy. I never say that I would say that to somebody it's extremely disrespectful
Yeah, you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't accuse someone of that. I certainly if you've been in prison, I wouldn't accuse someone of that. I wouldn't say that on the street. I wouldn't know the fact that is this you got it 3.9 million views at the six minute video. That's not even a short. That's a six minute video. I'll bet you there. I'll bet you people reposted over and over again. I'll bet you it's got 50 million. Is that one made a big and popular? I mean, it helps definitely definitely help. Here's the thing though after that, so I saw that video.
six months later, I started seeing him on doing podcasts. Here's the thing is that because he is a comedian, he has access to other comedians, right? You can get to a position where you can meet these guys. And most of the probably out of let's say the top 30
best ranked YouTube podcast right now. Probably 20 of them are run by comedians. They're all massive, massive podcasts. The guys are funny. They bring guys on. They have great conversations. They laugh and joke all the time. They're super, you know, they're very entertaining. So he had the ability to get himself on all of these major platforms.
and he would they would ask him about his story he can tell his story he tells a great story i think i know you're talking about tall thin good looking guy he's got what johnny mitchell it's called the connect with johnny mitchell he's got over a million let me see that youtube clip by the way on his channel is most popular shorts now this is on his this is the most popular shorts 27 million and 7 million views and he said he was in maximum security
I'm pretty sure he says a few different ones, but one of them I believe is he was at a maximum security prison and was like in, you know, I always hate when he says it. I'm like, ah, he's lost credibility. He's like maximum security, the worst prison in Idaho. It's like, I don't 1.2. Yeah. Yeah. Or, you know, I forget what it was. It's funny. Some people are good talkers, man. Yeah. You know, and it's, yeah. 1.2 million subscribers on YouTube. And by the way, he started
Probably when do you start that channel? I'm gonna say two years. I mean two years. Yep. He blew up. I mean just what what is the interview on his channel and other other? Yeah, more so smugglers more a little more hardcore. I would say than than what we do. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about yeah, he'll interview guys about and they'll they'll talk more about like being in prison and prison and
more hardcore stuff murders and kill like I don't I don't interview murder I don't think so my dad the other day my dad was like
He's like, you need, you know, he's like, you know who you need to interview? He's like, you need to interview this guy who like murdered somebody just got out of prison. I'm like, eh, we don't really. Yeah. He's still, he's still iffy about this. Maybe a stream yard. I was like, what did he do? I was like, yeah, what's that? That's not really the type of guy we want to have on the show. Did you see when Joe Rogan interviewed the guy and his lawyer and they got him out after in prison for like 20 years or something, got him out. And then
Like a couple months later, killed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen watching Rogan tell the story. Yeah, and then killed as well. Yeah, two months after so
the the
There are some interviews where these people are going on and on and
I just start painting the camera to Matt to just because he's just like because my facial expressions I'm like because I'm like I know and I'll look at the audience is gonna be feeling exactly what Matt is sometimes I don't know about bullshit because if I'm not here I always love these guys that get upset they're like you shouldn't give this guy a platform either wait a second the guy came on he told his story he sent me some paperwork there was an article I don't know if you know if he
stole, you know, $40 million, like he's saying, or if it was the 2 million in the article, but this is he's now saying that was the amount was this and that like, I'm not doing five hours of research for an hour and a half podcast, like, what are you doing? I'm doing we're doing five and six of these a week. So he gets an opportunity to tell a story, you know, we could and even if halfway through the story, I start thinking, as bullshit, you know, I'm not I'm not not here to judge you and tell you, no, bro, that's bullshit. I don't think so. You know, many times I've had a guy sit here and tell me,
where they'll go, you know, yeah, I got caught with, you know, two keys Brown, and, you know, so I really good lawyer, bro, like, I got three years, I'm thinking, and I'm like, in federal prison, and they're like, Yeah, yeah, no, it was a federal case. I'm like, Okay, but I'm sitting there thinking,
mandatory minimums 10 years like you should be doing a minimum of a 10 maybe 20 you got free like the OJ yeah well he he know what he obviously he cooperated against his co-defendants you know I'm saying so you caught like and I don't have a problem with listen I cooperate I got 26 I did 13 of course I cooperated I got 26 I'm a white-collar criminal
I couldn't go to prison
No, you could you be sure you're actually in good shape. Yeah, I'd have to fake it. Yeah. Oh, bro. There was way more boy away more bass in my voice when I was in prison. Oh, you know what I'm saying? What's up? Hey, let me get some of that. Let me get some of that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's totally different. What?
What? Who do you think you're talking to? No, I'm just joking. I know. No, we could turn the channel, whatever you want to turn it to. I've had those conversations where I stood up. No, we're watching Walking Dead tonight. I'll give a fuck. I'll take that TV to the fucking. They're like, sit down, Cox. We're gonna let you watch it because you did a little show. I'm really scared of you.
Everybody had cool nicknames in prison. They had like, you know, they're guys, you know, we we and, and, uh, uh, Pookie and, and, you know, big John and, you know, you know, they got these kind of these, you know, Hulk and, you know, six, cause he's six foot tall or, you know, or, you know, uh, 20 or night was the one guy, uh, uh, uh, 21, you know, they got 21. Well, why they call you 21? Cause the 21 bodies on my case. That's why I'm just fucking around. I'm just, you know, they got numbers. I tried to push chainsaw.
I used to work in the forestry
No, it was someone here to drop off a mail for John Boziak. I was like, oh, he don't live here. Oh, we should have interviewed. Are you up and up in this job? What is that code for? This is my old roommate. He's dodging child support. And we get all tied. They're like, hi, John Boziak. No, can you sign here? Doesn't live here. Doesn't live here.
But now he moved to Thailand He's still coming they're coming to Tampa Yeah, we missed an opportunity with a podcast with him Yeah, cuz we just that we did a podcast where he left and we just did like oh why you're leaving and we're like, oh, you know Just to try experience something new but we should have done it. We should have done it. I'm leaving They're on my ass. They're all over me And this is just for child support
Oh, yeah, but it's not like one. This isn't one kid. Oh, really? This is a guy who's been he's been working on like a football team. He's he's he's he's going to start a new colony. Yeah, some guy with some paperwork and I was just like, yeah, he don't live here. He's like, sorry, we're filming podcasts and just kind of shut the door. But you got to get your you got to get your eye thing fixed. I can't I can't tell what I'm looking to the little people and I can't really tell.
Oh, it's just like scratch or something. So that just happened? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I thought, I thought it might've been a guest like, cause we have a guest later this afternoon. It was like, you know, who might be interviewed the guy. I mean, okay. Well, when Boziak here, here's a funny story. When Boziak was here, uh, we're doing a podcast, Matt and him are doing a podcast door loud knocking the door, doorbell rings. Next thing you know, you just seen the camera him get up and dart off. Yeah. Yeah. He bolts. I got up to go check that he's out the back.
What happens if the guy finds them? But they just serve him. They're going to make him take a DNA test. If he gets served, he's done. Then what happens is if you don't do the DNA test, now you've been served. Right now, he can say, I didn't know this happened. I've never been served. Once you get served, they can do stuff like they can cancel your driver's license. They can put an arrest warrant out. You're supposed to go take a DNA test and you didn't.
Cancel his driver's license put a warrant out for him. Like they're gonna get it So is he was he being like chased at Walmart and stuff like that? They're just like they're not that of aggressive because I know somebody gets served like at a funeral No, I think people get served like people like in the most rant like the hardest times the guy's grieving in here and
What's funny is one time I got, I either got a knock on the door for him, open the door, and there's two cops standing there. And I open the door and they go, they go, John Bozey, can I go, I go, no, no, they go, does he live here? I said, No, no, it's good. And I'm sitting there looking at him. And listen, I'm on federal probation.
Is your heart pounding? He's not supposed to be living here. My probation officer, actually, when she came to check out the house and walked around the whole house and walked into his room, she's like, whose room is this? And I said, oh, I said, this is my, my wife's daughter. She comes and stays here. She's got a room. So, so one of her daughters was staying here. And the other one, there was another room, which was Boziaks. I said, this is her other dog. She didn't stay here a lot, but she does have a room here. And she's like, okay, turned around walks out. I'm like,
I was just making a note.
To take this out. One day I get a knock and the two cops were like, and I'm like, they're like, John Bozik, and I'm like, no, they're like, does he live here? No. And the guy goes, the cops, they look at each other and they go, he's not in trouble. If this is a welfare check.
And they said, a woman called for him saying she hasn't heard she'd been trying to get in touch with him can't get in touch with him. I go, Oh, john Boziak. And they go, Yes, john Boziak. I said, Yes, he does live here. And I said, who called me they named I said, Okay, yeah, hold on. I call him on speaker and I go, Hey, your crazy ex girlfriend just did a welfare check because he's not responding to her call. And he goes, That
And they're like, okay, just had to check. But I'm sitting there while I said that, as soon as I said, no, I said, who? I thought, did you just lie to law enforcement while on probation? Luckily, they said he's not in trouble. And I was like, okay, yes, I was like, thank God you gave me the opportunity to come clean. Because I was sitting here thinking,
If I are you like, my wife will kill me if I let them leave without correcting that. Yeah, she'll be like, what are you doing? Like, you know, you don't know this guy. When did you clean that up? Yeah, this was no, I'm talking about my new wife. I knew my old wife. That was 25 years ago. Okay. No, my new my new wife, which is funny because if we had when we were doing the when I met you, if you had gone down the thing,
And you've been like, Oh, who's this? I'd be like, Oh, my wife. Oh, where'd you meet halfway house? She did five years for ice. How did I get? How did we go back? What is happening? And we're friends with the FBI agent. Yeah.
And that was like true love. He just had something common right away. Like how do you know I even approach somebody like, well, you know, like when I got to the halfway house, like there were like three things I needed. Right. And I was like, so the first thing I did was I luckily had just gotten another I'd optioned one of the options came due and I got a check. I got like $7,000. So first thing I knew I needed was I needed I needed a car.
I got that check and I went and bought a car and you know, and then I needed a job. So I called a buddy of mine who owns a gym. I said, hey man, I need a job. He said, oh, I'll give you a job. I said, okay. And then I, I remember I needed a girlfriend and I looked around the halfway house. I said, I'll take that. The money left over. I can buy you a steak. What's funny about her is like she didn't want to date me.
She's a criminal. Wait a second. Oh, listen, if you saw her, one arms completely sleeved, just did five years, way tougher than me, grew up in, you know where Okeechobee is?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she grew up in Okeechobee. Oh, yeah. So it's like Okeechobee is known for like, like dairies and like meth. Yeah, so you know, she didn't work in the dairy. So, so met it met her it's like she was let me give you an example. Her first husband, Johnny Buck. Johnny Buck and she Yeah. Oh, listen, she knows guys named Skeeter. Johnny Buck, Skeeter, you know, she they're all they got all they got these names that you're like, Oh my god, this is straight out of casting of
You know, yeah, but so they ran a hog hunting tour guide service for six years where she took grown men out groups of men out and hunted down hot wild hogs and killed them, skin them, gutted them, cut up the steak, packed it in and styrofoam and let them leave with their hog. That's what they did. This is a tough check. She
Well, after she got to the halfway house, she went and got she became a marine mechanic. And right now she is in class to take the Florida the sorry, the US Coast Guard captain's license to get her license as a captain. So she can ride do airboat tours. And she works for a yacht management company. So she can also do be a captain on yachts. This is like
She's like serious. She's pretty cool. She's the man of the house. Like when the landlord says, Hey, can you check my podcast? Check the check the water sprinkler system. I'm like, that would be, that'd be, that'd be a, a, an assignment for Jess. Let me forward this. He keeps sending me stuff. Hey, can you check the, the alarm system? I got a notification. It went down. I'm like, yeah, I don't know why you keep asking me. Right. Right. Of course. I appreciate it. Yeah. She asked me in the loop. Yeah.
I'm not changing the tire. That's what you're trying to tell me. What's the comedian? He walks on stage. He's a little chubby blonde hair. He does the jokes about his mom about his wife. He's always talking about his wife. Jim Gaffigan. Yeah, is that he does the clean stuff? Yeah, it's very clean. But he does a skit where he's like the the plumber was at my house. And, you know, I walk by and he stops me and he starts talking to me about, you know, the water heater.
And I'm like, you know, I don't even know if we have a water heater. He's like, but we would like to buy one from you if you're selling. He's like, I don't know. I mean, I everything he says about his role in the household resonates with me. Yeah. Yeah. I feel you, bro. Change the light bulb goes out, get a new lamp. I'll come on a Saturday or something. I'll walk out. Jess will walk in and she's got like some grease on her and stuff in her blue jeans or at her cowboy boots and all that. What's going on? She's like, I'm just changing my world.
We can do that. She's like, she's like, Hey, I'm going to my dad's tomorrow. Is that okay? I'm like, Yeah, what's going on? Well, he, you know, his brakes are out. And so I'm gonna go there. I just got the pads. And so I'm gonna go. Yeah, like on our neighbor's house. They have a nuisance alligator. Listen, I'm just gonna get rid of it. She changed my neighbor's battery. The old guy next door his car wouldn't start. She's over there changing the battery. I got it. I got it. I'm like, that's great.
Did you want to help? I know all these dudes are coming over. Hey, Matt, is your wife home? Yeah, exactly. All right. I'm gonna take it to the shop. Yeah, she's done. So if you had stopped, if you'd focused in on her a little bit, man, it would have been, you know, I tried to get to everybody. I guess I ran out of time.
I thought that dude was long. I let him go. I don't normally let him just talk forever. I was like, yeah, so what was the story was this guy? This is talking about the gambling guy. So what did he say? Like what?
What will happen? Oh, man. I mean, I can remember. He just was kind of working the room. It's like, Oh, what are you doing? And he said, Oh, what do you do? Like, he got the guys down. I think it's single people. He's like, I just broke up with my girl. Yeah. Yeah. He said, Yeah. Oh, how single was like, Oh, a week, two weeks, whatever. He's like, Oh, yeah. Oh, what happened? He said, Well, she, she lost $30,000 gambling.
But the story comes out any slot, right on a shipping on a cruise. But the story came out that couple weeks beforehand. They've been gambling. And he said, I don't gamble much. She does. And she hit a bunch of jackpots in a row and have won a chunk of money. Then she went on a cruise with a dude, right? No, I don't think that wasn't the other dude. I just think she went on a cruise with some friends and she lost $30,000 came home.
Said I got robbed and someone stole my credit card and they ran up a bunch of debt and I don't have money to pay my rent. Can you and I borrow a couple thousand dollars from you and he was sure show me your credit card show me where they ran up these debts show me where the show me all the evidence and I'll lend you the money she got into a huge fight with them and and then that he was and we broke up.
No, they didn't break up. She left. He said, the next day or two, they were talking and she said she he found out or she told him he had borrowed three or $4,000 from another man. And he said, and right then I said, we're done. We're done.
So, you know, good for you, man. Right. Boundaries. That's what came out. But it was a therapy session. It was a therapy. He was like, I'm like, does everybody feel I think I said that. Come out of here feeling good. We're releasing a lot of things.
Because that's what everybody was given like you know guys are like, yeah Oh, no, the first woman was like yelled it. Did she say something about him? Yeah, the first girl's like, oh, you're an asshole. Yeah breaking up And then he goes wait a minute. We don't know the story. Yeah, what happened? Like yeah, how do you feel now? Yeah It was good. Yeah, that was funny stuff. Yeah, then he went to Tom and
And you can imagine he's thinking, I'm going to be able to play around with Tom and Tom was like FBI, private detective FBI. I'm like, yeah, I guess we're done talking. Yeah. Investigated. Definitely. But I talked to his son, you know, and his son was cool because he was like, I'm a biologist. Yeah. And but I want to jump out. I'm like, what do I do with that? Jump out of planes. I think that's not even just in the same area. I know. Do you know about this? You're paying all his money for college.
And then I see this page actor. I just told you I made a movie. You come up with Hey, you got anything coming up? Maybe I can jump on was the other one was the chick was somebody was though she had a degree in psychology and then Oh, yeah, he wants to be a life coach. Yeah, he is he's in that
suck now because now you could just be a life coach. She's like, yeah, I know. She knew. That's great. You see in her face like these motherfuckers. Yeah, you just just go on social media, build yourself up a little a little following and you can get some catchy catchphrases like some stupid quotes. Today's gonna be a good day. I've had multiple guys on here that that that's what they do now. Like they're they're like life coaches. So there's Luke, but Luke
successfully runs multiple car, car lots, and has several different businesses. So he's turned himself into like, he went to prison, he was addicted to opiates, robbed the bank,
He's like six foot two, massive, walks into the place with the mask and says, I think we all know why I'm here. Put the money in the bag and they all jumps in his car leaves. It's funny. The description was so spot on. His father calls him that night and says,
Want to tell me something you know why what he goes did you rob a bank today? Why why would you say that? This is a six foot four He said they jumped into a car doesn't your girlfriend have a Pontiac Whatever it was he's like don't know what you're talking about. He's like, yeah Well, just letting you know they may be looking it said just married sign like what are you doing? Oh
So how much time did he do for that? I think he did like four years or something. That's it for armed robbery? Well, I don't know, was he armed? Or maybe it was six. It wasn't that, it's not that bad. Robin Banks is not that bad. Well, I don't think he, I forget the exact scenario, but he didn't, it wasn't that bad. It must have been a note, was it? Maybe it was a note. Maybe he just walked in and acted like he had a gun or something. I don't know. So if you rob a bank with a gun, like if you walked in right now with a gun, you could
You probably get four or five years, maybe more. Now, if you brandish the gun and scared people, or if you fired it, you're getting probably 10 or 15. But if you just kind of showed them the gun, or if you just walked up and said, I have a weapon or whatever, if you use a note, you just use a note, you don't threaten anyone in the note.
You're going to get three years. I'd write a nice one. I know a guy who robbed three banks. One of the banks was he robbed it twice. You're on three banks, one twice and with a note and all the note said was you're being robbed. Put the money, you know, give me all the money in the drawer.
Immediately, nobody will get hurt, you know, and so it wasn't directly threatening really. And so they gave him like $2,500. I think I like they don't ever make any money. It's 2500 or 1500. It's not even maybe three Graham. He got the money left. I'm going for the safe. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'd be like, take me to your safe. That'd be in the note. Yeah. Well, great. You're getting you're getting a drive. Read the note.
There's more on that note. Listen, I love the guys. In the PS. I love the guys that say, give me the money and they're like, they're like, no. She's like, it's in the PS. Let's go to the bank. Can you see the final? There's lots of people. And they're like, no. Yeah, they're like, no, I'm not gonna do that. And they'll actually struggle. I would pull out another piece of paper, write another note. And then these guys take off on the run or the girls will chase them. There's some funny ones. Really? Oh, yeah. So, but
Listen, my favorite one is the college kid that I was locked up with that had, it was in college, he robbed like the bank on, you know, on campus, like the credit union or something. He goes in with a BB, he and another guy going with a BB gun, with BB guns. And they go get on the ground, get on the ground. And several people kind of hunched, but weren't really getting down and the one kid pull shoots BB gun.
Yeah. It ricochets and hits somebody in the leg, hits a woman in the leg. Boom! And she goes, I'm hit! And she falls on the ground. He's like, listen, I swear to you, it didn't break the skin. Literally, the cops took 10 photos at different angles to try to make it look horrible. He's like, it's clearly a BB. It didn't break the skin. But he said, we immediately got like, she screams, you hear the pew and I'm hit! And he was like, oh god! And they ran. They don't even get the money.
They take off on the run. He goes home, goes immediately to the dorm where he's staying, shaves his head. So he's sitting there and he goes, I'm shaving my head. I'm bleeding. My roommate walks in. You can hear sirens. It was like, Hey man, did you just hear that somebody robbed the bank? Uh, you know, and he's like, no, he's like, why are you shaving your head? Within a day, like the next day they grabbed him. You had hair yesterday.
So he gets locked and he's like, and I'm like, he's like, when we're running, he said, why'd you shoot the BB gun? He's like, Oh, no, bro. I just thought I was trying to make a point. He's like, it's a BB gun. They weren't nobody moved shooting the BB gun. Just coming on your head.
He said he used to always joke the fact that she screamed I'm hit. Was that just a patron? That wasn't even the teller? No, it was just some woman in the wild. I'm bleeding out. Get a tourniquet. Get a tourniquet. She's not going to make it.
Tell my family. I love them. You get up. I do just do we got to go on the lam. You can hear them. That'd be me. I'd be a paranoid. That's like you were talking like you see a cop behind me too. I'm like, dude, or at the airport. They know why is that dog looking at me? And I don't even have drugs on me. Like I don't even do drugs.
I'm like that fucking dogs. Listen, listen, what does somebody pack my bag? They know I have more than four ounces of Sam Kinnison. Remember Sam? He had a whole skit about the girlfriend. He cheats on his girlfriend. He's like she he cheated on her. He's and then I'm like, Look, I know, it's horrible. I'm leaving. And then she's like, No, no, don't leave. And she hugs me and she's crying. And I thought my god, what an amazing woman.
Because what I didn't hear when she was sobbing was don't leave yet. I haven't gotten you back. And he goes a week later, I go to go to a comedy club. And she packs her bag.
And she puts a loaded 38 in there, her 22. And he said, I go through, I'm going through. And all of a sudden you hear beep, beep, beep, beep. And I'm standing there looking around. All of a sudden you hear somebody go, he's got a gun. He's got a gun. And I thought, oh my God, someone's trying to get a gun through. I'm about to see some shit. And he's like, I'm looking around. I started realizing they're coming towards me. Because as they're coming towards me with their weapons, I think, that bitch. That's great.
I heard he did like the one album or whatever. And then when he was getting started getting really famous, it was it wasn't as good. Oh, yeah. Well, that you use a lot of your some of the some of their best, your best stuff and plus you're hungry.
Yeah, you're on the grind, you know, and then when you get famous, it's like, well, now, what, what's the struggle? Right. How are you gonna write good bits? That's why I'm funny, because I've been struggling the whole career. That's why I'm constantly coming up with good shit. It's funny because the
Somebody was talking about, this was probably a couple years ago, somebody was talking to me like, well, how do you, you know, these guys, they have good stories. What do you look for? I'm like, you know, I mean, I look for if they can tell their story, right? Like, you could, you could have sold $200 million in an amazing Ponzi scheme.
But you can't tell your story. You could have had all the media. It could be phenomenal, but you just can't tell it. It's no good. And you can have a crackhead that's been in four car chases with the police and has been in and out of jail 20 times over the last 20 years, but he can tell a story. And they're hilarious. I'd rather have that guy.
But what I've noticed is that I mean, there's more to this, but I used to always say, like, losers have the best story, because some guy who went to high school, graduated, went to college met a girl married her got the job he wanted right out of college, they had a kid, they've got they got two kids, he teaches, you know, he teaches Little League right now, like, great guy. He's that is the guy that as the great American
Success story. That's the middle class. He runs this country. God bless him. He doesn't have a story. His wife's cheating on him. Like, that's just like, what's the story? Like, he's a nice guy, but he you have to have been through some shit. You have to have been evicted.
You have to have some domestic violence in there. You've got to beat your wife if you want a good story. If you want to have a good story, you've got to have a car blow up on you. It doesn't have to be crime, but you have to have an alcohol problem. You mean a headache? We can talk. Dude, I'm sober 11 years. I've got stories. I was a train wreck. I was a couple bottles a day for legit. Really? Hell yeah.
See, those are probably the more interesting stuff. I did cruise ships for 10 years. I was working as a comic on a cruise ship. I did carnival for 10 years. I was fucking lost.
It was soul crushing. You know, see, we should have just started with your story. I mean, I think this is where I think, I mean, it's been, it's been flowing so good. I think I'm just going to have you do a little intro of like, Hey, me and Tom Simon, we're at a, we're at a comedy club and then we brought you a little intro and then I'll just start it off when they ask you. Cause I think it's interesting for the audience. I think it's always interesting for the audience to see
someone who doesn't know Matt's story, realize the story. Especially a comic we just met. I'll send you a podcast. It's funny because I always think when I think the best podcast I did was probably Danny's or Soft White Underbelly. But everybody else says, do you know who Lex Friedman is? Yeah. So I did Lex Friedman. Oh, cool. And it was
seven hours seven hours it was it was actually i think it's six and a half now i think he it was like seven and a half he trimmed it down to six and a half it's one of the longest podcasts he's ever done and i wouldn't have been that long i was ready to go and do my two-hour bid that's it but instead he just kept asking questions and asking questions and i was like
We have a 20-hour video on Matt's channel of him telling a story, 20 hours. I mean, it's told over the course of six months, and it's got over 100,000 views.
One of the most liked comments on the last video was like,
Who else falls asleep to Matt Cox every night? Oh, yeah. I used to go to sleep to forensics files, you know, you want to hear like about death and I did a like a junket for for this, this guy, my wife and I and I'm somewhere in the keys. Well, let's keep our go.
That was key. I don't know biscuit. Anyway, one of the keys down there, we went to this resort and the guy that invited me to it kept introducing me as listen, this is Matt Cox. I go to sleep to him every night. And I you know, and then after about the third one is that bro, can you do me a favor? Because you're introducing like I just fall asleep. I listened to him his podcast might have met a soothing voice, you know, old, old. What was his nickname?
I do I do want to I do have a couple of questions real quick, which was one is, are you from Florida? Yeah. Oh, where in Broward area? Okay. Yeah.
Is Broward? No, that's Pasco. To me, that sounds like Miami. Fort Lauderdale. Right next to Miami, like Fort Lauderdale. Okay, I was thinking Dade counties. Yeah, Broward, Dade. Okay, Broward, Dade. In my mind, anything south of Fort Pierce is Miami. Straight out the trailer park. Yeah, I see that. Yeah, I'm not pointing punches, I'm not hiding anything.
Listen, when I met my wife and I kept hitting on her, she was like, I'm not dating you. She's like, I make fun of guys like you. And she goes, what am I fulfilling some kind of white trash fantasy? She was like, maybe. But yeah, I was gonna say I know I used to do freedom of information acts when I would interview these guys and I'd want to get their criminal and
Dade Broward share a jail. Oh, the sheriff's department. So that Dade Broward, Dade Broward, something I think they share. So anyway, Dade, Dade Broward. Yeah. Um, so you were born down there. And you said you like you went to school. Yeah, I went to marine for marine biology and Nova southeastern why five years because I wanted to put pills and fish ultimately. I didn't know why. Like now I look back on it.
Well, I think it stemmed from when I was like a kid, I mean, I always wanted to just go play football, but for some reason, I took it like an academic scholarship. And then I think it stemmed from going to SeaWorld and stuff and watching like the marine, the mammal trainers, entertained, they're riding these whales. And I always thought it was cool. And I was like, I want to do that. So I kind of wanted to do that. I wanted to be a marine mammal trainer.
I guess I just wanted to kind of be an entertainer and pick up chicks. You know, I think that was it. I think it was like, so I could be like, I have a giant whale. I'd love to show you. Sure you do. No, I really have a giant whale. But I wanted to do that. Come back to my place. I'll show you my giant whale. I just wanted that one line. I knew that they weren't using it. They're probably not using it. This is a genius. So I was like, and then I sent away letters for them and they only made like eight bucks an hour.
like you can't even they house you I guess but they got it every once in a while though the an orca will grab a hold of them and drag it around exactly and they'll get some views but that's the thing blackfish you see blackfish
The documentary Blackfish. No, I've seen I was incarcerated. It wasn't on the inmate movie channel, but I heard about it. All the inmates are picketing free the whales. But yeah, watch it's like really sad. Yeah, it's really good. And I would have been on that documentary if I had gotten the job at SeaWorld because they were all like disgruntled, but they were the same year.
that I sent away that I would have did it like they were all out just talking about the abuse of the way that was that was that was the the the trainer that got dragged around was she on it I remember I was talking about where they grab her by the way she couldn't get she well she died yeah yeah I know so they that's what sparked this whole documentary okay okay so and then I was like well let me just go to
You know, I enjoyed Jacques Cousteau when I was like a kid and I was like, well, let me just Colby has no idea who Jacques Cousteau is like a French what I was just thinking, I have no idea. He was like the big, I guess, I guess, why would you know that? It's not like a big, he was like an explorer of the ocean. Yeah, when we grew up,
There were three chance. Yeah, maybe he was on one. And he was constantly he built a whole habitat under under the ocean and lived there. Yeah, they lived under the ocean. I was super and then did everything like things with sharks. And I just thought it was so it was like the coolest thing you could possibly do in my mind back then. Yeah. And then when I got to college, it's like down now you're basically in marine biology, you're basically pre med.
We're like, so you're doing, I'm not even seeing the ocean. I'm three years in. I'm like, when are we going to go to the ocean? We don't even go. So I dropped out. I think I had like 15, 20 credits left. And I was like, I don't want to do that. I'd rather just pay student loans. So I just dropped out. And then I think a couple years later it was like, I was doing a lot of like promotional stuff. I was modeling.
And like it's fucking horrible. Like it was so gay. I can talk about like I was doing like some runway stuff. I wasn't like a chiseled job. I was cut. I was still lean. I was, you know, these but I wasn't a model but I did it. But it was so it was so like degrading and stupid. I'm like, what are we doing? And then I would always just crack jokes. I feel like this is like what was his name? The guy the wrestler that was trying to make me feel bad for him.
um the local he's a local wrestler there's a wrestler who who also were owned like a studio and he um he actually had they had a lot of the girls living in houses and he was living there because they kept getting their fights and they were a train wreck he's like he's like you know and these women he's like you know they're constantly throwing themselves at you they're bored and you know they're all yeah it's like johnny walker
Johnny Walker. He's like, you know, every night it's like, you know, who can who they're they're trying to like, it's a game to try and sleep with me is like, you know, and after a while, it's just like enough, you know, I'm sick of them. I'm just like, wait, this doesn't this sounds nothing like I was a model and I know it sounds so degrading. No, no, it was gay. It was
You got a good beard.
Yeah, I did that for the movie. I'll explain that later. Okay, I was gonna say, I can't grow a beard like that. I can't grow a thick beard like that. No, I look like a homeless person. I have like patches that don't grow or they're real thin and horrible. Yeah, because you're cutie cocks.
Thank God you weren't there to give me that name. That would have stuck. Cutie cocks would have stuck. That would have been horrible. There's quite a few big guys, lifers that were like, how you doing? So I was like, well, I don't know what to do with my life. And then my friend was saying, I'm going to do stand up at this club. And I'm like, you're going to do what?
And I knew what comedy was, but I thought they were like unicorns back in the 90s. I mean, how do you become a comic? You gotta be in LA. You gotta do whatever. Right. So he went up to do the open mic and then he wrote jokes or whatever. But then backed out, got nervous. Well, why are we here? I mean, I could understand that. I'd be, I'd be pretty nervous. But he was gung ho. And I'm like, Oh, this is going to be amazing. I can't wait to see you. And then he's like, I don't know. We were doing promotions. We were talking in front of people doing all these things. So I'm like, I can do it.
do it
I was bartending. I was bartending at Rainforest Cafe. That's where my criminal history comes in. Since we're on a criminal podcast, I might as well spill the beans. He wore a fanny pack. Yeah, remember? He wore a rain forest cafe. He looked like a gay Panama Jack.
It was horrendous. It was so degrading. But I got to be behind the bar and stuff, and we would rob that place. Blah. Right. Oh my god. Just because a lot of foreigners there, paid in cash. You know, you just be like, you know, $14.95, two jungle runners. And you'd be like, it's $14. You type it in on the computer, and then verbally, this is $14.95. They give you a $20. It's $20. And then you go,
Remember in your mind to change to here you go go back a little later. I took out 796 and you know, and next time you get a cash then right under the bucket as long as you do a transaction. They have no idea that no idea like I would literally if something like walk out of there with days where it'd be like you didn't have any cash sales.
Like, it's just all credit cards? It's crazy. Like, I don't know, everybody's got credit cards these days. Right. So I'd walk out of there with nothing. But we had, we were all doing it too.
just can't incriminate me. But I didn't feel bad because it was corporate and I was doing them favors like I was pouring the well when it should have been the better premium stuff so I was saving them money. You don't have to explain to me, I'm with you. More for her, I was saving them money and she's like I didn't notice the value.
But I worked with somebody had this one girl's friend of mine and but she would be like She wouldn't even go to the register. Just go to the start doing I'm like, what are you doing? She's counting out change from her pocket At least pretend like we're putting it in there Like you're the worst criminal I thought it was pretty good. I thought I had a future in this right and everybody eventually got fired got caught got fired never got caught Never got they had me on a loophole
Like, they were like, they call me in. They were like, I'm sorry. Can you stop at loophole? Yeah, wait. I just realized way landing. Okay. Sorry. No, you're good. Bro, I'm in the middle of a podcast period. Can you over here? If a buddy of mine who, um,
Who does a podcast that he came here and did a podcast before he's going to actually we're going to redo his podcast because it was 3 years ago. He actually. Quick story is his wife are married. They got separated. She started dating somebody else. They they.
Ended up reconciling the old the new boyfriend is upset about it when she breaks up with him. He's telling everybody he's gonna basically is he's a drunk and he's telling bill I'm gonna fucking kill this motherfucker. They have a mutual friend who gets the two of them together to kind of talk about like hey calm down the guys like I just want to ask him some questions. He's like, okay, so talks to Wade says Wade.
How long were you seeing her? I was really in love with her. Were you guys really was, you know, and he's like, No, she was she does care about you. She did care about you. We have kids together. We reconciled. I understand where you're at. You know, he's like, Okay, well, they were drinking. And then they went back to his place. His buddy had to go to work the next day. So whatever. So Wade agrees to drive this guy back, they go to his place real quick. For some reason, I forget what the reason is, go inside. And he's like, I'm going to drive him back to his place.
I don't know if I have this exactly right, but they get to his kitchen and in his kitchen. There's only one way in one way out. They start talking. He's like everything's fine. They get to an art. They get into a slight argument. Not I'm sorry. They have a good time. Whatever. He's like, I'm basically it's like you could sleep here or I can just drive you home.
He's like he was a yeah, we're about to leave the guy goes let me go the bathroom goes in the bathroom comes back walks in the kitchen is looks completely different looks at him he goes I'm gonna fucking kill you because what is and just attacks him is so I'm wedged up in the corner of the I'm fighting with this fucking guy X fucking military.
Wade is not ex-military. Get to the fight, kicking him up, pushing him back. The guys punched him a bunch of times. Wade, at one point, he said, I get him like a bear hug and I'm telling him like Wade's like Wade's armed. He says concealed weapons for me. He's like, bro. He's like, I will fucking shoot you if you if you fucking don't stop this guy still struggling. Pushes him back. Guy comes in again, pushes him back again. And he's like, I can't get out because he's in front of the doorway. I pull my fucking gun. Boom, boom, boom. Shoot him twice.
When the authorities show up, they take the, they take him away, they take the, take his report. And a couple days later, they charge Wade with manslaughter, no, no, with murder, with killing him. And Wade ends up fighting, he goes to jail, he bonds out right away, hires an attorney, spends his entire 401k on this attorney and
Forensic everything and takes about two years before they eventually drop the case. They go. Okay, we're going to drop it. The fact that this guy attacked him in his own house and he executed like the fact that they even charged him right is ridiculous. But it was really pushed by this one detect female detective of the first case or first case is an homicide since then by the way, she's been demoted all the way down to she's like, she's like a school resource officer. Anyway, but wait has a podcast and we're friends and so he's coming. Oh, cool. He'd be an interesting guy. Yeah.
Yeah, we need people.
I was gonna say when people are leaving, it's like, look, please come back. Please bring someone. Yeah, for real. If you leave, if you leave, bring back two more people. Yeah, come on, come on. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You were saying you go. Oh, what was this? What were we? Oh, you said stop when I almost got the only time I didn't get fired when they called me in and I was my till was over. See? See? I was I was like, Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah. And they were like, and I'm like,
I knew at that point, I'm like, this is mutual. I'm gonna I'm gonna go and they're like, yeah. So it was good. That was like being fired. Yeah, we all you know, I was I'm so offended that you even brought me in here. I can't work here. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I turned it on them. Yeah. No, I'm leaving. So I had I told this one room the popcorn story. I was thinking this is a buddy. This is in high school.
He worked at a movie place at like AMC.
And we would go in there. He'd like to let us in like this. I go meet me at the side at this time and I'll unlock the door. You know, he'd let you in or he'd have to be like, come on, I'll let you know. Yeah, it's a buddy of mine. So I remember I asked him because he worked there like for years. I worked at a theater. And we said, we said, what do you why do you work here? You know, we're all working like construction jobs where you're getting paid back then he's getting paid like $3 like whatever minimum wage like 65. And we're like, we're making we're all making like eight bucks, you know,
care for bro. And we're still we're all like 16, 17 years old. And he goes, man, I make like 20, 25 bucks an hour. Working here. We're like, what? That you said you made minimum wage is oh, yeah, no, no, no, no. What we do is he said everything is is run off of inventory. So he said if somebody comes up and they say, hey, it's two cokes and a popcorn is that comes to $20.
Yes, so we say, he said, or maybe it comes to 1975. He's like, we hit the thing, take the 20 hit the thing, give them a quarter from your pocket, take the 20. And then we give them a popcorn, two cokes, and a popcorn. He's like,
I'm like, well, what do you mean? Where do you get the is anything in the night? They count up the popcorn bags. Are you sold 690 of these? You need this much for popcorn and this many for for drinks for mediums and this many larges. He said, well, what we do is when we go to take out the garbage, we pull out the old ones, wash them out, dry them out, stack them up. So we have a second stack. We all know to pull from if you get exact change.
So here's your boom, boom. And he had a whole thing where he said, I was like, bro, that is disgusting. He says nothing. He said one time I had taken out the garbage and we hadn't washed out the cups yet. And this guy gave me like a 20 for like two larges and a large popcorn was exactly $20. And I was like,
Like, that's 20 bucks in my pocket. And I was like, 60 bucks. Right. So he grabs, he said, I grabbed the one and he said, there's still some, some
You know, coke in the bottom, you know, little, little bubbles of coke or whatever you want droplets. He has no big deal. I fill it up. The next one I grab he is there's a couple of corns of popcorn and a chewed up piece of gum. And he said, I hit the he was I hit the the ice machine for the ice, fill it up, pop it up there, give it to him never heard anything about it. I was like, yeah, dark theater.
I know, never eat out. I worked at Little Caesars. I remember we dropped the dough and this guy dropped all the dough in the walk-in at the end. I'm like, we got to do this over. He starts putting them all back in the things. I'm like, dude, that was my first introduction when I was 15 to
I love it whenever we go out to eat. Jess and I go out there and go, what do you want? Do you want this? Do you want that? I'm like, no, either one's fine. You know, okay, do you want it this way? You have no idea what I've eaten.
Like, do you understand? They don't make any bad food out here. There's nothing on the menu I won't eat and be thankful for it. Unless it's so hot because I don't want hot stuff. But other than that, how bad is the food in there? It's pretty bad. It's not as bad as you think. Do you eat like that?
No, it's not like that when you see on TV, they come home. That's like state prison. That's like state prison where these guys are getting robbed and beat up and there's rapes and stuff like this. That's not very seldomly. Was there rapes in your prison? I mean, you know, there's the thing like gay guys get arrested. Yeah, gay guys get arrested. So gay guys in prison
Like, you know, they'll the gay guys will tell you like, like, oh, you know, gay guys rock or they rule in prison. They get there and within a week like guys are buying them tennis shoes. They're buying them because these guys have 30 years life sentences. Yeah. And you know, so they're like, you know, if you need me and that's how it always starts. You have some guy come up to you go. Yeah, you need anything? No, no.
I like the way them pants fit you. All right, we're done Don't mess with cutie cocks I have a whole I have a whole bit about when I first got to prison and
This is bad. I was gonna say first of all, like, imagine, imagine me. Yeah. How many years ago? No, no. On that Shawshank line. 18, 18 years ago. So 18 years ago, remove some wrinkles. But you know, maybe a little thinner, I get to prison. And when I get to prison, what I didn't realize is that all the pant size run a little bit small.
So I go the day the second day you get there you go and you get your you get your clothes. So I get my clothes and I go and the guy I'm I'm like, yeah size. Whatever I said, I forget like size 30 or 31 and he's like guy goes at you're more like a 3435 and I went ever been a sub not if we talking about I saw 31 maybe 32 is at most guy goes. All right, and he just kind of okay gives me my stuff.
Well, they run small. So I'm basically by the time I pull my pants on, I'm sporting a camel toe. I got a camel. I'm walking around prison and tight, tighty little pant. Get it back. Yeah, I could, but it takes a while. Like you have to go back in, give them the club, write a cop out. It takes a couple of days. So I'm walking around sporting my camel toe and I'm a clean cut white guy in a medium security prison with
That is, I'd say 90% of the guys, they're there for violence, you know, and drugs, and I'm one of there, maybe 20 to 30 white guys, the bulk of them, I'd say 80%, maybe 70% is black, and then 25% is probably Hispanic, and then maybe 5% white guys out of those, let's say 30 out of those 30, I'm one of maybe four white guys, that's
I'm there's maybe four white guys that aren't there for math. So out of those 30 guys like I have nothing like I have all my teeth.
You know, like I tied ass pants. Yeah, exactly. So I very quickly. People in the comment section will now start calling the old hot. So I got these guys and I only say this I only say this because it's what happened. It's not racist or had nothing to do with but it just happened to be over the next few days or the next week.
multiple large black guys walk up to me, yo bro, can I talk to you for a second? And I'm like, yeah, what's going on? Let me talk to you over here. Over there where there's no cameras? I'm talking here. What's going on? I'm just saying, you know, I'm looking for me a friend.
What's a friendly place? What do you mean? I don't understand what you mean. And he's like, you know, I'm just saying, you know, you, you need anything? No. What size shoes? I'm gonna get you some shoes. No, I don't need any shoes. I don't need any shoes. What do you like to eat, man? I got whatever you need, man. I got, I'm good, bro. I'm good. I'm good. What's going on? What is this about? Now, suddenly there's some, I'm starting to throw some little bit of a base in my voice. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I don't understand. What do you mean? What are you looking, what do you,
Yeah, so I'm just saying, you know, use a use it because in gays, they call them called gay, they call them punks. Use a use a punk. I mean, I mean, you use gay, right? No, no, no. I don't know where you heard that. Yo, bro, I'm done with this conversation. Turn around and walk away. The next time I'm walking to a couple days later, I'm walking by and I'm more I'm realizing I'm now start to realize like guys are now saying, yo, bro, what's a other white guys are like, what's up with the to pass?
What's happening with them? I didn't know. You know, I'm like, listen, man, I put in a cop out. I'm going to get my shit changed. I didn't know. I don't know what else to do. I, you know, um, and they're like, yeah, you got to fix this, bro. And I'm trying, I'm trying.
and then i'm walking i got some guys that comes up to me somebody like hey let me talk to you yeah what's up guys like yo i work in the kitchen you need anything let me know i'm like no no i'm good no i'm saying you need anything like oh what size shoes are you what size shoes no bro i don't need shoes it's a big deal it's a big ticket items like could be between
40 or 50 bucks to 100. That's kind of flattering. They're gonna give shoes? They're on the shoes? Day one? I get it. I get it. It's just not happening. There's a price to pay. It's far more than 40 or 50 bucks. It's gonna be more than shoes, bro. I'm not worth shoes. There is a price. Excuse me. Now you're getting all defensive. What's funny? This hat. This hat. Like you turned in like such. I need to watch. You know, I heard you got 26 years.
I need a cell phone. This goes on for like four or five days. I need my own TV. It's like four or five guys come up to me. So finally, and this is what's funny. This is when my buddy Zach, I have a buddy Zach that I met in prison. We do podcasts together. He big black guy. So another guy had already told me, yo, bro, there's this guy wants to meet you. And I'm like, why?
Oh, I'm not talking to anybody at this point. I'm up against the fence. I'm going to my cell at the last minute just before they do lockdown. You know, I'm not, I'm realizing this is going to be a problem. So
So then my buddy Zach comes up, he comes up to me, walks up to me. He walks right up to me. We have two different versions of how this happened, but either way, it's the same thing. I just, I think I was up where the fences were waiting for them to open the fence. So you could go back to the unit in the check in the rec yard. So I'm standing there and Zach walks up to me, just kind of stands there for a minute. He goes, Hey, I hear we got a lot in common. I go,
and I just walk off.
By the time I get my pants, it's been too late. It's way too late. I missed the one thing that really sealed the deal was when I first got there. So I was held in the US Marshals Holdover for a year while waiting to be sentenced in Atlanta.
There was a black guy named Kiki. Hey, y'all. He's here. So
But there's like maybe a hundred guys in this unit, right? You never leave the unit. Well, there's no politics. There's no prison politics there, right? So everybody knows Kiki. Everybody's sitting together, playing cards together, joking around. There's no like, yo, I don't talk to that punk, bro. I don't talk to punks. None of that. Like the kind of stuff that happens once you get to prison. Everybody knows this is temporary. So they're not pretending. Plus they're waiting to be sentenced. You don't want to get into a problem. You know, you could say that. You could say something derogatory about a gay guy, but he's still a guy.
Yeah, and yeah, most of them are are are nonviolent, but you don't know what this guy might do. You disrespect him. It's still a guy. He may attack you now. I've now got to go in front of the judge and and the prosecutor saying, oh, your honor, he's being sentenced to five years. But by the way, he got into a fight while he's been waiting to be sentenced. We want to add another year for whatever you don't know, right? So everybody's very polite. So when I first get to prison, I go to they call it's a transition unit before they give you your main unit. So you go there. I go there.
walk in the door on the second tier as soon as I walk in and I mean there's people everywhere everybody's out of their cells I walk in and I hear hey I look up and it's Kiki going Matt Matt I go hey Kiki what's going on he's like hey Mike I'm so excited comes running down we talked for a couple of minutes
in front of 150 fucking guys at the at my new unit. So and then the next day, I pick up my fucking my camel toe pants. No, so you can imagine like you could you could I would have to do it's just I get it. I want to go to another prison. At that point. Like I'll do the six months in the shoe and wait to be transferred because I got to start. Okay, we get a redo and you had to do a year there. No, I did three years in that three years.
It was on and off throughout the whole time. Mostly though, I had a friend named John Gordon and I had a friend named Zach.
And so Zach and them very quickly, because guys would go to them and say, yo, bro, I see you walking around with that with that punk. He available. Like what's going on with it? No, no, no, no, no. He's not Gabriel. They don't don't approach him. Don't this. He's not. He's not. He on the DL. He on that. No, no, no. He's not gay. And they're like, you know, I seen them pants. He was wearing. No, it was a sizing mistake. Yes. And there's a sizing mix up. Here's what happened.
do that.
You go in the extreme opposite. Tight. I want them to fit. I want them to look good. I'm going to get a taper. Yeah. I need them to look good. Be a little long. I want a cuff. Yeah. That's great.
What were you going to say? I had a couple of stories. What I was thinking about right now, though, was just like, I wonder if I should title this podcast, Being Gay in Prison. Oh, my God. Yeah. Help me with that. Yeah. And then I know my faces. Oh, yeah. It would be all faces. And then I'm sure I get a text from Matt, like, bro, we have to change this. It's a new demographic. Most of the time, I have no idea what's coming out till something comes until I start getting these comments. And I'll look and I'll be like, what is this guy talking about?
What did Colby do? And then I look at the first 20 seconds as he does like a, I call it like a hook, like an intro where it's like, you'll, you'll say something and then I'll say something. It's just a bunch of clips that kind of lets you know what's coming. I can see. And then I, the 22nd clip I'll be like, Hey, you'll be like, Oh my God, I'll be saying camel toe and you'll be laughing about them buying me shoes. I mean, I'll be like, speaking of clips, like the clips guys that we're talking about earlier.
9 million views 11 days ago. It's it's basically Matt telling these stories me mistaken for being gay in prison. So it could be a popular that's that's a
a topic that applies, like a lot of people kind of wonder that or think like it's like an intriguing topic that someone who may not be interested in prison, they might see that and be like, Oh, like what is that? Yeah. No, I know that, but you understand Colby. So I'm going to say that he's not concerned about my reputation. It's going to be the first 15 seconds. It's going to be Matt doing all the imitations that he was just doing the Kiki imitation and all that. But you've got me doing something. Yeah.
Zach was in like, I think they call it bloody Beaumont. I think it was Beaumont. I think it was a bloody Beaumont, which is a pen.
He's the only guy managed to come in at a low that I know that went from low to a medium to a pin. It's like you just can't get right. Like what's wrong with you? You keep fucking up and never left the pin. Like you went from one pin I think to another pin. Anyway, did he go to a medium?
I just know he worked his way up. That's all I know. So anyway, it's so, you know, I depend like these kind of like, it's you put they call them cars. So it's not like a gang so much was you would be in like the Florida car. So he ends up with I'm gonna say he ends up with the Florida car or the Texas car, whatever it was. He goes in there, he says, Oh, I'm from Florida. They let go you with the Florida car. So you can go hang out with the guys from Florida, where you from, whatever. They check your paperwork, make sure you're good, you're solid, whatever. So he ends up with this group of guys. And he said, so we're there. Anyway, he said,
Six months later, whatever he said, the main like shot caller for the car invites everybody in to his room. He said, yo, bro, they disrespected us. They disrespected and he starts gets them all hyped up, right? Like, bro, tomorrow, it's going down in the rec yard. We're gonna everybody fucking use get you got your blades and a guy starts handing out like,
like blades right like i've never been in this situation but like if i found saw one time i found uh one and i went to my cousin and i was like hey man there's a thing over there he's like oh shit he went told another inmate to go get it like i'm not touching it like i'm not that guy so but so zach they give him a blade like all these guys got blades they're all pumped up they're like yeah they're like yeah we're gonna fucking show them not to talk shit and i don't think it was florida but i think it was in whatever state it was we're
We're going to tell them what Florida is all about. Yeah, fuck those motherfuckers. We're going to war. But they're like, yeah, fuck those motherfuckers. Yeah, 12 o'clock in the yard. Yeah, fuck that. And so Zach's in there. Zach's like, he's like, and I'm thinking, yeah, yeah, I'm thinking, fuck what is going on, bro. What have I got myself into? Zach is not that guy either. And Zach's out there. He said, hey, and he said that, well, there's like eight or nine of them in this cell, which doesn't hold eight or nine. Like they're crammed in there and he goes, hey, he said, what, what, what do we,
What are we going to war for? And he goes, yo, and the main guy, main guy goes, um, yo man, they, they disrespected my boy. And he goes, what? He said, my boy, bro. Another one of them dudes tried my boy. And what that means is that another guy approached the guy that he's his boyfriend. And he goes, you mean the punk used to be with or used to live with? He's like, yeah, man, that's what boy disrespected him.
And he goes, yo, man, he said, I don't want to go to war over a punk, bro. I don't want to do that. And they were all like, all sudden, he said, everybody was like, yeah, bro, I'm not ready to pick up a fucking murder charge or a riot charge or get stabbed or have to do two years in the shoe and get shipped to a worst prison because somebody approached your your boyfriend.
And so they're like, yeah, bro, I, I'm not. And then he said, Zach said, when he's like, when we kind of left the cell, he like guys are walking up to me. Yeah, bro. Thank God you said something. I had no idea. I didn't even realize like, I'm just trying to be a good soldier, you know, and he's like, yeah, man, what the fuck, Helen of Troy.
I feel like there could be a comedy show, prison show. Well, I'm telling you when Matt and Zach get together, it is a comedy show. That was a good episode. When did we do one? It was three years or four years ago.
We just told funny prison stories. Yeah. But you know how like Mash, it was such a hit. And that's like in a war situation. And they made it, you know, there were so many funny elements in the middle of a stressful, you know what I mean? It's like I could see this be in the next Mash.
There's a bunch of little tiny things that like you're probably already have the content you could you and I could have the exact same content, but
Colby will package that content differently. Yeah, and I'll end up with half a million subscribers and you'll end up with 10,000 same exact content, but Colby will put the right thumbnails on. He'll name them the right things. He will he will get the monetization down. He will edit them correctly with a hook. He will do just a minor things that will change.
Yeah, hashtags really don't matter. What matters, especially if you're talking about clips, like the most important thing is that first second. It has to be something that's going to draw somebody in. You know what I mean? And the title. Yeah, yeah. And the title. Well, those are vertical videos, so people aren't even really looking at the titles.
the title and the packaging really matters more for like the long-term form like the full podcast but the actual short clips doesn't what matters is what the person is saying how they're saying it like they're you know I could tell you story and not be very confident Matt could tell the same exact story but knows how to deliver it and he's speaking with so so confidence that people are just like drawn in so it's like that type of you know verbiage or you want to say it how they're what they're saying and how they're saying it and it's very important that that very first
Second that very first one or two seconds is attention grabbing because people just yeah. Yeah, the first minute the first 30 seconds of a podcast. Yeah have to be good 20 seconds of it will just be him you and I just probably laughing and saying funny thing for 20 seconds and then immediately he'll cut right into you saying you talking we
We're not going to, there will be no interest. Well, there might, with this one, there may be. Just because it's a little bit different than the actual normal format of somebody. But yeah, like, and then I'm writing down as we're going through, I'm writing down things to create TikToks. Like I have, um,
Like gay in prison, Kiki story, never eat out, popcorn story. So those are all things that I'm going to be creating TikToks for that have potential to maybe hit a million and things like that. So it's being able to identify those clips. Like for example, Matt will tell a story about a movie. He'll be explaining a movie to someone and we'll cut it to where he's explaining the movie, but it sounds like he's explaining like he did it. Like I did this, I did this. And then half the comments will be like,
This guy's a fucking liar. Like this is a plot to this movie. And it just drives the engagement. But it'll get three million views as opposed to if you did the entire context. Nobody wants to hear me explain a movie. So that would get 10,000.
At his 10,000 views as opposed to two or three million, even though 90% of the comments are he's a fucking liar scumbag. You can't believe anything. This guy said, you know, I'll take I'll take $1,000 for things that never happened. I get that one. All these clever trolls, right? Yeah. So there's a yeah, there's a lot of little
Yeah, I was telling my wife this other day was like people think it's just putting the clips out, but it is it is a lot. It really doesn't have to do much with the editing or the hashtag. It's a lot of like little what about small things the same thing with the another thing is the packaging on what what the thumbnail looks like and what the title looks like. Yeah for long form. Yeah, we have a guy Ian Bick did a podcast for this guy. It's another he's another podcaster true crime podcaster. He did a an interview with this guy was basically an hour long guy was talking about
He was talking about fire sticks, sorry, jail broke fire sticks. They sell them on Amazon. Anyway, he was selling them. He got arrested. He tells a story over the course of an hour. Put it on Ian's podcast. It got maybe 40,000 views, probably 30 to 40,000. I don't know what's that now. Yeah, I'll check.
I came on the podcast, told the exact same story. He has a story down, which is great because you just have to sit there and go, right, right. And he's so, so he, and yeah, so Ian packaged it on Ian's podcast. It was titled tech pirate, like tech pirate sells Amazon fire sticks or something like that. Right. Oh, but because the guy mentioned he got arrested by Grady Judd, Ian is in Connecticut and probably doesn't know who Grady Judd is, but
Colby happens to live in Pasco, Polk County. He's very aware of who Grady Judd is, right? So am I, everybody Floridian is. And so he puts Grady Judd, Sheriff Grady Judd, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, he puts him on the front cover and then puts corruption, names it something about corrupt. Sheriff Grady Judd, because that's like people might search Sheriff Grady Judd, arrest Amazon scammers. Right.
but he has him on the thing with the guy's photo, the picture of the famous sheriff of this famous sheriff and that video got 1.2 million. Yeah. So that's the difference between, you know, it's a huge difference. Same exact story. It's just packaged differently. So yeah, a lot of the podcast. It's adapting to the culture. This is how we consume information these days. It's like, I'm saying you probably already have the content.
Yeah. So I mean, if you're really thinking, I mean, if you're really thinking about, hey, how to do it, packaging, how to deliver it on the, on the social, like we have a math buddy, Zach, who is, you know, extremely charismatic, funny, can do something very similar to this. Like I was just telling him, it's like, especially for what we've done, like we have the formula, like we've figured out the formula over the last four years, specifically for like, kind of like the true crime genre. It's like, we know what to do. You just have to, now you just have to actually create the videos.
But yeah, it's a, it's a learning experience. Yeah. It's like Zach literally got within 30 days. He started his channel 30 days later. We put up like three videos or videos for him and 30 days. He was monetized and making money. Wow. And he put up another couple of videos and then just stopped. Wow. Like the first, the first month he made like, I think maybe it was like, I think maybe it was like maybe 300. Then it was like 600. And then he just stopped. So
you could just follow the formula. This doesn't take a while. We set them up with StreamYard. All you have to do is get some of your criminal friends and interview them over StreamYard, which is like Zoom. Interview them. You don't need the whole setup. Just do that. Talk to them for an hour and a half. Post one of those videos once a week and wait six months, and this thing will be bringing in $2,000 to $4,000 within six months to a year.
And that's that's conservative based on his numbers and his personality, very conservative. The truth is, it may be making $10 or $20,000 in six months, but that's if everything went really, really right. But let's say conservatively within six months to a year, you're making $4,000 a month. $4,000 a month is probably what Zach is making right now. It's amazing. So so and you could do that just working an hour to a week, just goofing off.
And of course, if you did anything extra, and to me, it's like with me anything if I do something and then suddenly I see, hey, I made $1,000 at this, where most people are like, yeah, I got $1,000. I'm like, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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It was about a trending, it was about the shooting up in New York of the healthcare CEO. So it's like we rushed that specific clip because this just happened. Every day normal person cares about that subject. Yeah, like as far as a comedian, there's a, do you know this guy named Damon Darling?
He's a black guy wears Timbaland boots. He's like a big beard. So he's a comedian and I know him not saying you have to do this, but like he walks up to people and gas stations that are like searching at like they're looking to buying beer and he just walks up to him and messes with them. He's like, you're struggling with it, but just like I've been sober eight years myself and like
just does these little clips, but he's a, he's a comedy or he goes up to somebody like, you know, I got a comedy show coming up, just random people in Walmart, but he's got like 700,000 on. I wonder how that would work. Cause I'm going to shoot my own TV show. I think I'm going to, it's about these three guys that middle-aged guys that go back to college to play for division, the worst division three school, the country, cause they still have eligibility. But it's going to be like,
The first pilot would be like an hour long, but then the episodes would be like 30 minutes, 20, 20 minutes. I wanted to monetize that on YouTube, like in clips, you know, like in segments.
You'd have to we don't that's not our format. So yeah, yeah, but there's probably Listen, there's all kinds of YouTube channels that are doing stuff that I would never watch that are massive. You know I'm saying like Mr. Beast Yeah, so like mr. Yeah, there's so many different things like mr. Beast is like there's so many different formulas to work like what we figured out this specific formula works like for us and like this specific genre and we've learned it through trial and error like where other people
May spend, you know, like two, three hours on one 60 second video. We realized we'd rather spend, you know, two hours on creating three and we have better chance of one of those going viral. And that's what we've been doing for a while. And now we've realized someone else is doing a little bit better. Like we're going to tweak it. So it's as, as we increase, like the things tweak it, it's a lot of, a lot of trial and error friend named Julian Dory.
And he has a podcast, very successful podcast. And he says that we're going with the quantity over quality. He's going with quality. We're going with quantity. Exactly. This is quality stuff. Stalin said that quantity has a quality of all. How long is your friend down for? Wait, wait, wait till tomorrow.
Yeah, until tomorrow. They need to come to the comedy show. What time of the show? 7 and 9 30. I texted my wife. I was like, hmm, if we can get a babysitter, we get off from the podcast and stuff. Well, let's go back to you starting comedy. You had started comedy, like how long
So you decided to do it. You did it. Let's go through comedy. Let's get through comedy and to what you're doing with the production, which is what you really came here for. I love the freeform and I love learning. This is really interesting. We want to interview you. I was going to say the other thing real quick before I forget in case we don't talk again is that
The one of the major things about YouTube is consistency.
Even if it's dog shit, put out, if you say, hey, I'm going to put out three videos a week, or even if it's once a week, and you say, oh, I don't really have a good interview, but I don't give a shit. If you're putting out consistently doing one hour videos, then put out a one hour video. You don't really have anything. Well, then turn the camera on and just tell us, talk for an hour and a half and post something. Because your viewers are waiting for that and the algorithm is based on, hey, this guy posts.
You think YouTube is trying to train you to run a network for them. Yeah. So you have to play the rules. The rule is this guy, we know this guy consistently post two videos that are roughly an hour long, twice a week. And that's what they expect. They don't have to be they don't have to be gold. Yeah, it'd be nice if they were. But and that's not difficult to do to get good guess. But I'm saying consistency is a big thing. So that may be a problem with your
Your concept or hey, I want to do this right for the film. Yeah, that would work if you've you already know this is gonna work That's why mr beast invests, you know millions hundred thousand dollars in one video because he has a formula down and he knows what works in the beginning We found out what works through quantity. I know a guy who produces for him. Yeah, they do like He's like, yeah, this production is like two million dollars. Yeah outrageous. Yeah, like two million dollars. That's a movie. That's an independent film like incredible
Sometimes you don't know what is going to work. We've had interviews like interviews that we don't think are going to do good, do really well. Interviews that we walk around like, oh, yeah, it's really good. This one's seven views. This is huge. This is going to be amazing. You post it and it's got like 8,000 views. I thought when we got on here, I'm like, we're gonna have nothing to talk about. We're not good at this crime stuff. We're gonna be so uninteresting.
Mel Gibson and Vince Vaughn.
Oh, you would love it. I've been thinking about that the whole time. It's like a three hour movie, but you don't feel like you're watching. Well, I love Vince Vaughn. He always plays Vince Vaughn. It's Dirty Cops, but you have... Is this new? No, it's like 2017. You have understanding for why they chose to be Dirty Cops, you know? And so you're rooting for them. And it's so well done. He did another, the same director. He's a really good director. He did another movie.
cell block 66 or something like that. I think it's something like that. But it's got Vince Vaughn in it. So watch that one, too. Just getting to know you, I think you would love it. Is this the one where he's really like a tough guy in prison, like Vince Vaughn? No, he doesn't really play Vince Vaughn. No, he's got his hair shaved or whatever. Oh, yeah, he keeps getting in.
That's the director did that did drag yeah, that's very gritty gritty and you know like kind of cheesy VFX as far as their practical kills like where he's dragging his foot his head across like you can tell it's obviously fake right, you know, so it's it's gruesome but not it's kind of corny gruesomeness.
So you started being a comic? Yeah, so I did comedy. And about like five years in, I started
You know, headlining, working a lot, doing all this stuff. And then I got on cruise ships like right away. Okay, I got gigs on Carnival. And then how does that work? So I did a contest where I didn't win it. But the people that were there saw me and they were like, hey, come on, we'll put you on the ship anyways. So then I do the ship.
and
Three days or whatever. That's probably cool. The first time you fly in, you're like, yeah, it's cool. A couple years after six months, right? Well, if you if you work there, if you're working there for you know, if you're Malaysian, and you're just working there for nine cents a day, right? That sucks. No, I meant for you. Oh, for us. But even for us, we don't go there for nine months. You know, we're not on there. Just quaking in and out. No, I'm just so you're okay. We're missing something. You're on a cruise. There's a cruise line. Yeah.
I'm assuming you fly in, get on the cruise line, do a couple of shows for what a day or two, or just a day like over the period, like if it's a three day cruise, okay, for a three day cruise, and then jump on a plane and fly back. Yeah, or they port to take it a port back to America. Okay, okay. Just fly home. Because like they pay for all that. No, I know. I'm just saying like, for example, when I got out of prison, the first time I jumped on a plane, flew somewhere was interviewed and flew back.
It was surreal like I was like I can't believe I was in prison a few months ago and now I'm walking through the airport free and these people I'm flying in and they're gonna pay for it and put me in a hotel I'm flying back and for instance yesterday I woke up and it didn't matter if I woke up at four o'clock in the morning and did it it was so exciting and exhilarating yesterday. I woke up and
woke up got to the airport at about five thirty got on the airplane at seven flew to Dallas Texas drove to the what would pick up picked up was driven to a studio did a commercial for four for about four and a half hours for a home title lock which is a like a.
It's a company that protects you against people like me, like title fraud, did four hours of shooting, got in a car, drove back to the airport, jumped on a plane and got back. Listen, by the time I got back, the anxiety and stress of my body, I was just like, this is killing me.
That's the thing with cruise ships, they pay you to travel.
I'm making good money. I'm meeting people and I'm just partying. And then it then becomes now, what am I doing with my life? I don't know. I'm ending up on a cruise ship. I'm young. I should be out, you know, working the country and you know, like trying to get into movies and whatever. So I just start drinking.
I was like, it's $10 for a full bottle, duty free. So it just started, I was getting depressed. This is what I'm doing, there's kids in the audience, you gotta do clean shows and dirty shows. I wanted to kill kids. I'd be like, do you go to school? I'd be like, don't go to school. I would just be the exact, I don't even know how I lasted 10 years on the boat. And I was just, I was a mad drunk.
I started out, I drank all day. I woke up, started drinking. What are these people going to fire me? I don't even know how. I had some cruise director friends, maybe they kept me going, but I'd sober up for the show. I'd take a nap, get drunk all morning.
So, you know, take a nap sober up till showtime and then be able to do the show cognitively. Tell your Santa story. That's like the perfect picture of your life. Yeah. Like this was like late and late stages. I was like the original bad Santa. This is for you. Bad Santa was even a thing. So they kind of come on the ship. It's Christmas time. And one of the cruise directors is a friend of mine is like, Hey, can you be Santa Claus? And I'm like, absolutely not. Why would I do that? And I hate kids.
And he's like, because all the other fly ons, that's what they call it, is fly ons are doing it. I said, all the other fly ons are fat comics that enjoy playing Santa Claus. They have their own Santa suits on their shoes. And he's like, well, I'll give you a suit and a beard. Do you get paid? Do I get paid for this? No, you don't get paid. He goes, do it for me, because he was my boy. And I was like, fuck. I was like, I'll do it for you, but I don't want to do it. I only did it because he was my friend or else because I'm like doing extra stuff. They want, we're already doing enough.
and then so I get there and it just says you don't even fit me I'm trying to put pillows in it just their drop it looks like I have a giant hernia right I have some white sneakers I'm like I don't have black shoes I don't have Santa shoes they put this beard the nastiest beard like all the other guys brought their own equipment right this is like dirty great like it was horrible I looked like homeless Santa I'm like what this is what we're presenting so you had to go they put you up in the
and you're out there's this big auditorium that seats like you know 2000 I'm inside where the crew is like there's this little stairway down the cruise so I'm waiting until the end of the show then Santa's got to come downstairs go sit in a chair and all the kids will line up and sit in his lap and for pictures so so I'm waiting and they're doing a Christmas I'm just out there I'm in listening sitting down beard off just fucking I got some airport bottles of vodka
just, just like shrinking and you know, cause I'm like, I don't want to do this shit. And I kill like a couple and I start, I kill like a couple and I start to get like, um, like a buzz going. And, and I knew that my life was kind of in shambles when I saw, I saw this like Filipino guy who makes little, they make like a dollar a day, right? Was walking downstairs, looks at me and I'm like, Hey man, and just shakes his head like,
and just walks off like this is this is the biggest loser I've ever seen a disguise that can make a nothing and uh and I was like huh that really put shit in perspective so I get a good buzz and that now I'm feeling good so then they call me down and I'm like and now I'm dancing Santa so I'm going down to say I'm drunk now so I'm I'm I'm dancing down the stairs you're not supposed to dance like today I'm doing like the Deon Sanders down to say and I just see the cruiser after like
What was I thinking? And so I get in a seat and I'm like, and then they get all these kids and I'm like, how many fucking kids are there? Like I'm saying curse word. It's just a shitload of kids. And they have these camp carnival girls. They're all like sitting down, you know, they take care of all the kids and they're cracking up. And I'm a mess. Like the beard's probably not even on right. I reek of vodka. I guarantee it.
and parents are putting their kids on my lap and taking pictures. Like I'm going to show up in photo albums because this is back when we really have cell phones where you take a picture. Like I'll be in these like whether this is us on the cruise. Who's the belligerent Santa? You know, like you would see it on a thing. So we do that. We get all the kids and I'm like, thank God that's over. And I look over and there's 15 adults special needs waiting for Santa.
You gotta be shitting me. I was like, grown ass men, women, wheelchair, like I was like, and they would sit on my lap. I'm like, hi. I'm like a little help. And, and one guy, man, in his 30s, late 30s, just sits on my lap and I go, what do you want for Christmas? I was just, you know, going with the bit.
Because I want my dad back. He died and started crying. And my lap just crying. I'm like, can somebody and then I guess the mom comes over. And I went to the crew. I'm like, fuck you, dude. I'm never do I was I was and I was wasted. And these kids
I thought you were gonna say like, don't you worry, Christmas Day, he will be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Back at the guy. Yeah, yeah, I should have. I, you know, I might have even said that I don't even remember I was blacked out right after that. This is the picture of Karl on a cruise. So that's that was me in a nutshell for like the last four years, just all day every day. And not knowing how to get out of it. And then I was just like, I got to do something with my life. So I fucking tried to sober up myself.
just quit cold turkey, right after easily a couple bottles a day. Right. I started seeing things, talking to people that weren't there. It was like the, I don't know if you ever heard anybody trying to quit alcohol, but it's like the, it's like death and you're not supposed to do it alone. I didn't know this. And then, yeah, so I was hallucinating, talking to people that weren't there. And then one morning I woke up and then mom's like,
got to go to the hospital calls my sister. And then I get to I get to the cause my sister I get to the the emergency room and they were gonna let me go. This is like, and, and I start talking to somebody that's not there. And they're like, you're gonna let him go now, right? I think he needs to be admitted. So they put me on like lithium and all these psych meds, right? He talks me and you know, did all this stuff. And I was there for like four or five days.
And I remember the second day when I woke up from the night they admitted me, I just see all these doctors walking in and then walking away and walking away. And then one of the doctors comes in, like a lady doctor, she's like, what, no jokes this morning? Like, what did I do last night? Like in my coat? I had no idea. And they were all like looking
Yeah, that's what it felt like it was it was it was pretty surreal and then I sobered up from there and then I haven't. And then since then, I've been sober since 2013.
You don't go to AA? Nothing? Oh, okay. I just was like, I can do it. I, you know, my mind, you know, I figured I wanted to do it. So obviously I, seven days was like the worst pain in my life. I'm like, I'm still going to push through it. Right. And then, but I just, I didn't know you really need help to actually detox. Oh yeah. You get the, what do they call that? The DTS or something? Yeah. You get that like day one, right? Like I was doing that. I was getting DTS,
Every day so like I would have to medicate and drink just to stop. I was leaving Las Vegas, bro, right? I was like, it's such a good movie. It is but it's to a T when he's like when he's waiting in the bank. Yeah, he's like He's trying to sign a child be right back and takes a drink and he's like Sign the check now Like that was me like I'm ready to sign I
so yeah it was it was a rough go so then then i was like when i got off i'm like i'd rather be broke right and not and to go back to this life you know i'd rather just start working the clubs again trying to figure out opening for people i don't care i don't even care i have no ego so that's what i did i started opening for people and whatever selling shirts at the end of the shows and just trying to make anything i could just so i wouldn't have to go back to cruises could maybe lead to drinking again you know then i'm like i want to be an actor i want to learn how to act in south florida it's like
You can learn, you could take workshops and learn how to act. But I think being a stand-up always kind of taught me how to act because I act on stage. I was like, oh, I'll do that. So I started doing that and got into a lot of shitty things, some micro budget films. And then started writing my own stuff, wrote like a web series and doing all this stuff. And I started writing scripts. I'm like, how do you write a script? I didn't know how to write a script. And then just kind of figured it out. And then wrote a couple of scripts and wrote a feature film. And then in like 2019, I met her.
and uh and then i was like hey that's exactly how i introduced my wife yeah this one i met her oh yeah oh yeah i forgot we're on a podcast she probably needs an intro i met tammy we talked for like i'm like oh you know her i met her we'll edit that out so it looks like i'm a gentleman
fish. Who brought this fish? We can add we can edit that into the gay portion. So so then when we got together, I was like, Hey, do you want to go broke with me? Start on you. She's like, I do. And then we're like, we had this one house kind of horror thriller thing. And we're like, because I've done a lot of shitty things that was like, I had no control of I was just an actor on the thing.
The directors would come in and they would be horrible and they would show up late to their own set. And I'm like, the material wasn't good. I'm like, well, I can do my own and I can control the variables because if it dies and it's bad, it's because of me. So I'm like, let me do my own. And so I had this script and she read it. She enjoyed it because of how psychological it was. It's called I possessed and it's a
There's a possession in it, but it's not really a possession movie. It's more of a different spin on a possession movie. All I saw was the, I saw the trailer. Yeah, it's about these five people that go to this house and it's haunted and the way this house haunts them is by their own past secrets and dark regrets start creeping out throughout the night. So it's like the person who's possessed is like kind of more exploiting the other characters and more of a... Provoking everyone to look at their own regrets. Yeah, so their own demons.
So it's more their stories that are wrapped up inside the supernatural world that is fun because that's a good way to present these real life situations. So I was like, we can do this. We shoot ourselves, pay for it ourselves. We can afford this because it's one house, five people. Cut to scene. There's not even a chance you can pay for this yourself. So we get the location. We're ready to shoot in 2020 and then the pandemic hits, which thank God it did because we got the location. They were willing to push it a year.
But we weren't ready to shoot. Right out of the gate, someone steals seven grand from us. Another filmmaker just steals right out the gate. We ended up paying them before 2020. We couldn't get the money back. And there's a pandemic. So there's a reason we're not shooting. Yeah, you know, so the year goes by and, and then we didn't have money like pandemic kind of hurt us. I wasn't working as an entertainer. So I'm like, so I told the guy, we are paid him half his money.
to do the project. And then I was like, well, I don't need you for this job. I don't need your gear. We had worked some other stuff out. I didn't need a lot of things that I paid for. So I'm like, okay, so I'm just gonna pay you, if you come on, I'll pay you $100 a day for the 24 days we're shooting. And that would end up to be like three grand or whatever, because I already paid him seven grand for nothing. He hasn't done nothing. He hasn't lifted a finger.
And so I can't live off $100 a day. I'm like, you have the seven grand. He did another like micro budget film in New Mexico during the pandemic. Right. So obviously, with our money, right, you know, so it's like, where's our credit for that? So, so he's, he couldn't do it. And there was no negotiation. There was no
And again, it just left us scratching our heads like, shoot,
who do you trust and who can you trust and it's like a big project and yeah and I wanted to kill this guy like I was ready to go to jail for like I was like finally ready to go to jail I'm like I will drive to Tampa and murder this kid like he's lucky if you're listening out there bro you're lucky I have Tammy
because you would you'd be dead right now writing writing scripts and doing pocket exactly we're gonna have to have him on the show yeah he's got a crime they're just one of 40 people for seven grand yeah he's a huge talker he thinks he's the shit and he's not and he made a movie after we made a movie I guarantee our movies ten times better his shitty movie
This is again why you hear so many people like they're making a movie and then you never see it because it's so freaking hard to like get a team and get it going. You know I got my team we eventually and then we shot it we shot in Lake Placid Florida in this big farmhouse and it was beautiful and a lot of things bad things tough things happen like we lost the main actor three days out we were rehearsing with them for months he got he got diureticulitis covid he's in the hospital
three days before we're going to shoot. So we had to move actors around like it was just like still living. Yeah, he's God rest his soul. No, but but but all those moving the actors around made it a better film because the batches that are in place now like just all these things kept happening, but it always turned out to be for the better. Right, you know, and then now now we have this film that's completely done and we got distribution for it. And we're doing that local theatrical we're doing a limited theatrical run around the country.
What with it's called a comedy tour as well. We'll do some we'll do like stand up comedy on during the week at a club in a different town and then event event screening of the film. It's like like we're doing in Tampa in January 15th. We're doing the Sunray Cinema. Okay, so we'll be there on that night. We just got on their website. Finally, I'm not sure what time what time we do the screening. Yeah, we'd love for you to come. Yeah, we'll go 15. That'd be awesome.
There's the adult store, adult, you know, and then the Salvation Army and then a burned out building and then the theaters behind all of that.
What's so sad is that when I was growing up, University Mall was the shit. Boziak worked there at the, there's a tattoo place there. He said, you don't understand, bro. Everyday, at least a couple times a day, the cops are literally
There's a parking garage right there. So you just walk in right there. So it's not a big deal. But
But that's what we're in the process of getting all the cities now because everybody wanted to wait till after the holidays all these theaters, but
We filmed in 2021. Since then, we've been doing test screenings. We've actually had it in front of maybe 1,200 people. Carl would do comedy shows and then invite people to come and be in the audience and give feedback. We've done questionnaires. We've
You know, it's been good because like one scene we actually redid the whole scene because a question kept coming up over and over and over with all these audiences. It's like, we just have to redo the scene. It's not hitting the way we want it to. And, you know, and then we did it and then people were like, whoa, okay, that's the reaction we wanted. But we took it seriously. We took it seriously. We took our time. We got audience feedback. I mean, grown men cried.
We were like, Oh, okay. Whoa. Um, this is amazing. But it's really like, it's, it kind of hones in on the theme of, you know, um, it's like the difference between guilt and shame. Guilt is I did something bad and shame is I am bad and you feel unforgivable. And so it's kind of like the theme is forgive and live in the movie. So these people are each being, you know,
Provoked to look at their own worst regrets and can you forgive yourself or ask for forgiveness or and live or not? So yeah, like it's kind of a yeah Yeah, we just Very psychological people came out like whoa like I'm looking at my life now. It's more in the vein of like six cents. I
We walk out going, Oh, that was that's what that was. Everything's a great move. Like you get to the end like wait, okay, hold on. I gotta go back and watch it again. It's like one of those movies like on the second watch, we had our friend watch it out of LA and he's you know, he's working with a lot of films and he's like, he saw it the first time we sent it to him a little while back. And
And I guess he might have just checked out his computer. I don't even know what he watched it. But he's like, hey, can I watch a movie again? This was like recently, probably after all the fixes and stuff. And he's like, wow, I don't even remember watching it the first time. It's like a different movie. Did I watch the same movie? It's one of those movies where you're like,
You kind of miss a lot.
I have moments where I'm telling you who's what, who's the killer, who's this, this and that.
in almost like the early scenes, like everything's are you've already been told the whole movie by the time you get to the end. But when you're at the end, you're like, oh, that's what it was about. It's like we told you through the whole movie. So I have a question. So because I'm curious about this, because I like, like I said before the podcast, I written a bunch of true crime stories, like I have like 20 something of them. But most of them are synopsis. So
I've always wondered like, what it takes obviously, you know, to make a movie like I don't have enough knowledge to actually do it you act like you have to get like a guy that really knows what cameras to use to shoot and the whole thing. And then you're editing and all these things. But what I'm wondering is once you've got the finished product, like you're not in movie theaters, like you're not on Netflix, you're going to end up on and I have a buddy who does documentaries.
And so you what do you what do you do you end up putting it on like, peacock? Or are it do you have it like a other than the releases? Is there another? Yeah, another. What am I looking up? Yeah, format. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, well, we got distribution with Good Deeds. It's their umbrella company cranked up films, which is they're out of Ohio.
and we got offers by several different distribution companies
Um, and the offers are pretty much profit share. It's not, nobody's really offering you anything. We had a company saying, we'll give you $2 million. They give you some offer. MG. We got a couple, but it was like garbage money. It was like, it's not even, it's an insult. It's like, that doesn't even, that'll cover those distribution companies. Their format is to acquire like 200 movies a year, throw them all on a platform and see what sticks. And they do. And we got a producer rep that shopped it around. That's the term I was looking for platform. Sorry.
Yeah, we got a producer rep who shopped it around to all these they went to like, he went to Netflix and Hulu and all them. But you know, honestly, and not not any slide to him or anything. I just I don't feel like he's like, no, they'll watch the movie. I don't feel like they watched the movie. No, I don't. Because even on one comment, I think it was maybe like MGM or something was like a big, big place. They go didn't like the film much too predictable.
What's great is if you give them the link to look at it and you put it on YouTube and put it as unlisted, you can see when someone watches the trailer. Three people watch it. How many people are supposed to watch it? Four. Three people at least watch it for at least, and then you can check the analytics.
The average watch time is eight minutes, right? So those those three people didn't even watch the whole movie. We'll watch three eight minutes of it on average or whatever. So yeah, it's for sure. So that's the thing even with the producers rep even you know with sending the full movie to different distribution, but you still don't have a chance because you're trying to get through the gatekeepers. Do you have to even watch the movie? What are they looking for the for their slots that they're trying to fill and their business model, you know, it's like a whole thing.
And we just thought, oh, if we make a good movie, you know, and it has great audience feedback, you know, so it's the American Idol reference. It's so crazy. So we went with, we went with this Good Deeds cranked up film, smaller, more boutique, and they only take maybe 20 films a year or something like that. And
And they were open to doing the theatrical with us. And they loved that Carl was a comedian and had that side too, because they've been doing comedy specials as well, and they loved the whole idea of touring around. Yeah, so they're helping us with this. They have a theatrical department that makes the calls to the theaters. Who booked us at University Mall. We're in Puerto Rico for two weeks, starting on the 23rd, January 23rd, so that'll play for a couple weeks.
there. And then we're going to work the rest of the country and more in Florida too. But so we went so after we got with them, they're going to put it on demand VOD on in April. So it'll be on Voodoo. Okay. Amazon Prime and then Apple.
it'll go there and then they'll revisit going to the net the streaming services and by then we'll have reviews we'll have you know a theatrical run fighting chance to get in there because out the gate with no stars and the reason why we did make a psychological thriller horror film is because it's you know we we need to set something with no stars because that's the only thing that can sell with no stars is a is a horror film right right like you can't really sell a comedy
That was huge. The Lost in the Woods footage, that one? Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, yeah. Oh, the Blair Witch. Yeah, Blair Witch. And that's an anomaly. Everybody wants to redo. Everybody wants that success, right? But that's like such an anomaly. I mean, there's there's some films like Terrifier now that are kind of building steam and getting that anomaly thing where they're making millions at the box office. Like we made this because we want to show people what we can do on a micro budget, like not even it's not micro, it's beyond micro, but it's
It's a fraction of what Hollywood can do. And what was the budget? If you don't mind me asking you, you know, well, I mean, it's it was under a million. Okay, but um, and how does that? Because I mean, I saw your act. So how'd you get that money? Yeah. And I know the gambler in the in the audience didn't help. We went in, we went in, you know, thinking we're gonna mix for 100k. Right. And then
You know, we can do this, it's in and out, 100K, through post-production, and no. You have to raise the money. Yeah, and then we found another partner, we found people that helped out. Well, Carl sold his car, I emptied out my retirement. Yeah, we raised a lot of money ourselves, but then we obviously got help. And throughout the process, when we got to post-production, we had no money left. And then we started getting more help. Doing the test screenings, people would see, like we'd be going,
And this movie should have cost a lot more than we paid for it because of all the favors I was getting. Like, for instance, we didn't even have special effects going into these test screenings. We didn't have a lot of them. So a guy comes to the show, I invite him to the movie, he comes up to me after the movie and goes, hey, I do special effects. Because we were saying, we need still more money to pay for special effects and that. Because I do special effects. And I'm like, well, that's cool. And he's like, you know, he and his girls like, no, he's being
Nice being modest. He does for Marvel. Right. So he was and of course, we're like Marvell. Yeah, he's worked on Batman Avengers, you know, all this stuff. So he's like, I'd be happy to do it. And I'm like, well, what are you trying to be? You only need a few, right? Yeah. And then it turned into bucket list. You know, like we got on a zoom. Now we're good friends. Now we're really good friends. We we talk all the time. And he did all this stuff for us for nothing. You know, that would have cost 60k, you know, that
It's just like we were getting those kind of favors, even in production, I was getting favors like the place we rented should have cost 100 for a month to take over this whole entire farm. It wasn't close to that. Well, to be honest, I think commitment is so huge. People buy into this committed person who's so passionate. This is all he's focused on, and it feels like a safe bet. And then
It's like the two of us make a good team and so I think that's what they buy into is like these are good people and this guy is like crazy committed and super talented and
You know, so it wasn't just like the look you have is the same look I get when people say inspiring, you're just like, yeah, but yeah, but this is it's the same thing. You don't feel it. But people see that, that driven commitment and they are inspired by even though you're just thinking, man, I'm just trying to make a movie. Yeah, I mean, they're trying to fucking tell you a podcast. We were on set for four weeks.
and which is a long time for an independent film. But we we knew we just needed time to learn and like figure out stuff. And so we wanted to give give us our team that set that set amount of time. So anyway, the first week, it was like, again, mutiny on set, everything was going wrong. People are complaining like it was just, oh, my goodness, you know, it's so hard anyway. And we're trying to find another actor to replace and this that the other, you know,
so much pressure on us because we're producing and everything to you it's like we're running out of money two weeks in thanks god again thank god that we again for this commitment because i think by the second week the whole cast and crew they were like you know what we see how committed you are and how hard you're working and it made everyone want to step up and
You know, go the extra mile. And I think if we hadn't have had that we wouldn't have what we have in this movie. Everyone did more than expected. And also we were a weekend shooting, then everybody felt like, oh, this is, this is good. Like what we're creating is actually good.
You can be on a set like this is garbage. This writing is garbage. This is but again, it's your vision, your commitment to it. And we knew we knew right away. And then there's this there's a moment in the film where it requires a lot of some stunt work and all this stuff. We were like, if it looks hokey, it's this is gonna fail. Yeah. And then looking great. And we got I got help from local builders building me props and not for nothing. They just wanted to help out and
I mean, it's just so much that, you know, the resources that we made to make this thing and it looks like a Hollywood movie, like it, the stories, the stories just as good as anything. Blumhouse is putting out when you're watching. You're like, you know, the thing is the thing we're competing with is it's like my standup. It's like when I get up on stage, people are, you know, I have to prove myself to these people for five minutes before, cause they don't know who I am. So it's like, now I get, they gotta get to know me and then, and eventually I can get them.
It's like this movie. It's like they got a, they're watching this and I'm the main character. So they're watching me. If it was Jake Gyllenhaal, then we're already in no matter what he does for the whole. So now they got to watch me going, I don't know if I like, you know, do I like this guy? Because my character is weird in it. He's suffering from PTSD. He's an Army Ranger, veteran sniper. He's hallucinating with dead lieutenant. He's talking to his dead lieutenant.
of 10 years, which I put in from my hallucinations, I put in that kind of aspect. Right. And so this guy's weird. So you're like, he's acting weird. And it's like, is he a bad actor? You know, is he this and that? And then by the time you get through the movie, you're like, this is why he's been acting like that. Right. You know, so it's, it's kind of like, oh, it's, it's a character choice. But these people got to want to follow this character through this journey.
And that's the struggle with when somebody's not recognizable. Yeah. So you got to deal with that. That's why maybe on a second watch, it's like, oh, it's easier to watch these characters. I know them now. You know, they're not somebody that's and that's and I think that's the struggle with every Hollywood film. Well, I think to the overwhelming feedback we've received from all the test screenings and it's you know, the theme is I was surprised
You know, like one, how good the story was, and two, it wasn't what I thought it was going to be. So I have a friend, Kevin, entered an auto, and he makes, he also is a producer. He's an actor, and he's a producer. And he has made, I think he's been a part of making three or four
movies, but I think he specifically has made has made like three movies on his own. Now, he came on and we did a podcast with him. And, and we watched the movie that he had done that he was promoting. And it was funny because we, we got it. We had to watch it on like,
Then more so he gave us like the Vimeo Vimeo. Is that it? Yeah, he had to send us the link and everything. And I remember thinking like, bro, what like, why don't you just put this on YouTube? Because you can charge people like, you know, yeah, I buy stuff breaking bad. I bought like a series of break it back and just pay for 21 bucks, 21 bucks, you know, so I buy all my movies, I must have 50 movies.
In my YouTube library that I've just bought. Yeah, so but anyway, I had to rock watch his he sent me the link and I watched it was funny too, because it's exactly that once you'd watch 20 or 30 minutes of it, it got really good. And then at the very end of the movie, there's such a kind of a twist at the end of the movie that it was like, like we, my wife and I were both just like, actually, it's not true. There's two twists at the end of the movie. And both times we were just like,
Wow, so he murdered, you know, so and so like, wow, like, it's funny, because then I was like,
Feel like that they it felt like that. You realize it and then there's another thing that happened to that. You realize like that's what the phone call was and even when I seen the phone call because I'm you know, when you write you analyze everything like why would they mention that there's some reason they there's no reason to have that phone call. There's no reason for this person to have said that that means something because you know, you're trying to condense all this into hours of everything means something. Yeah. So yeah, we were I was watching I was like
So at the very end, when you have this one twist, you're just like, Oh, that's right. She was you have to send me that send me the name of that. Yeah, yeah. He's but he's same thing. I've had this conversation with him and it's it and you know, he's one of these guys who's, you know, bro, you should do this. I'll help you do it. I'm like, I do it too much already. Yeah, like, you know, I even pitched him one time. Because I had a for one of my let's let's
enough about you. Yeah, so I've already listen, I'm already says that to me. I'm already going to get in the comment section. There's going to be more than most are going to be like, bro, let this fucking dude talk. Probably not let you be shocked. Sometimes I feel like I didn't talk at all. And people will say that I'm like, like, and I'm sitting here while I'm telling a story. I'm thinking, what are people going to do to me?
Well, one of the stories that I have and it's a true story and there's actually articles about it and everything. It's actually a really good story that I wrote a synopsis about and I was telling Kevin like, bro, this is something that could be done that I think you could do. He didn't bite on it. He did it when we talked about a bunch several times, but he never bit on it because he's working on all these like I'm already doing this. I'm doing this.
But it was basically it's a it's this guy that I wrote a story about and he the quick version is a black kid never got in trouble raised in the project but had a good never been never been arrested all his friends have been arrested they're all felons.
He actually tried to be an MT, he had gone to school for it, couldn't pass the state test to do it, and it's like, I don't know why I got all good grades in my class. Anyway, ends up work, one of his buddies is like, you know what you should do? You should get your concealed weapons permit and go work for one of these companies that delivers money.
And he's like, they make okay money and not great, but they make okay 1520 bucks an hour. And he's like, he's like, okay, he's like, and then we get once you're in there, you've been doing it for a while. He said, we work it out so that we can reset you. You know how it works inside is we set up a robbery. And he's like, he's like, yeah, I'm not gonna do that. He's like, I laughed it off. He's like, but that's not a bad idea. You're right. Because I've never been in trouble.
Oh, he does get his license. He does go to work for it. Whether that was true or not. I don't know that he never intended to do this, but whatever. So it's called cash logistics. It's like the third largest moving or logistics company for moving for moving money. He ends up working there. Eventually, six months later, a year later, he ends up being an assistant manager. And he actually does they set up a robbery with these two guys that
can't pull it off. Then he ends up for circumstances, he ends up being in the warehouse by himself multiple times every weekend, or every Thursday or whatever is it just happens to be is at a point where there's supposed to be at least two or three people there. But it ends up where it's just him as the trucks are arriving, he's checking in the money is just him. So he sets it up. So he's like, Look, I'm going to be here alone at this time. Come rob me.
Take the money. There's like $11 million in this vault right here. There's like 11 here and three here. One, they rob him. Two, they grab the money out of the wrong vault. They're idiots. They almost kill him because they want it to look real, but the truth is they beat the hell out of me. And then they get away. Anyway, FBI shows up. They know he's in on it, but they can't prove it. They're
doing the whole thing. He eventually quits his job because he's like, they're all over him. He they screw him out of the million dollars million point to he's supposed to get they give him 300 grand. He blows through that then he ends up robbing a truck himself. He gets caught immediately. While this whole thing's going these guys start trying to kill him. They want their put a head out on him. They end up killing his best friend, the guy that set the whole thing up. Now they're trying to kill him. The guy comes for him several times. He gets away.
He then robs a truck gets arrested goes to prison gets the goes to prison meets me the other guys that rock that robbed in the first time that screwed him out of the money. They get caught. They go to prison. The cops know they ordered the murder on this guy on his best friend, but they can't prove it. They cooperate. He doesn't cooperate against them by the way. So he gets 10 years for the one robbery. No, he gets 15 years for the first robbery because he fires his weapon. He robs the armored truck gets
Three or four hundred thousand dollars, but he didn't get away. He gets caught like whatever five miles away, but he does fire his weapon several times. That's it. He gets 15 years. You're done. You're not getting left. That's a mandatory minimum and the FBI comes to him is that he's like unless you cooperate you cooperate. We know these guys robbed you here cooperate. You could do five years. He says no, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to cooperate. So he takes the 15 years. So later they arrest these two guys for the main robbery the three million.
They cooperate because they've been to federal prisons, so they know how it works. They snitch on him. He ends up getting another charge. He gets 10 more years. He ends up going to prison for 25 years. These guys have already gone to prison on the first on the robbery and gotten out. They all they both did four or five years. They're already out. He served 25 years, but it's a great movie. And there's great just the story. I was like, this is fucking great. It's a very unsatisfying movie to walk out of it. It does. It's you're right. You probably have to do a holiday unless this guy was hateable.
You know, he's super nice. Yeah, nice kid. Anyway, so if you could fix it somehow you could it's based on you could always fix it. But here's the thing what I was always saying was this. If you look through the whole thing, it's really only about six characters. He's really the only main case the main character. And then there's a couple of FBI agents, right? So maybe seven characters, eight characters at most.
And I was thinking to myself, I was telling Kevin, I was like, do you understand how you could shoot it? I said, here's what you do. You go get several, several up and coming rappers that have 200,000 half a million subscribers or a million subscribers on Instagram. And you go and you find those guys. If you look at it, there's almost no acting.
There's almost no very little dialogue other than the main guy, one or two guys. There's no real special effects, very little special effects, you know, other than maybe a gun going off, boom, boom, I mean, anybody can do that, you know, there's not that much, it's not like people are thrown through the air, you know, car chases, there was a couple of car chases, but they're not, they don't have to be insane, just boom, boom, cars chasing after us, there's no crashes or anything.
Anyway, very little if you read the whole thing, you'd be like, wow, this is a fucking it's a it's a drama. Yeah, that's it. So anyway, the point I was saying you go get a bunch of up and coming rappers, you get to you, you tell them, look, you're gonna rent you're gonna work for almost nothing. But we'll use your music as the background for the score. And then of course, they end up having millions of followers that hopefully they can promote. And you never know if one of these guys is going to become big. Maybe one of these guys is the next two
They all want to be actors. All rappers want to be actors in the end. They all want to end up being, I want to jump from this to this. Yeah. So because let's face it, you know, rapping is actually difficult. Just a lot of time doing promotions and like where they'd rather be an actor and go and I can be catered to for three months and work a few months.
the acting part could work. I don't know about the music because oftentimes artists don't have the rights to their music. Yeah, but a lot of these when I'm saying a lot of these guys probably don't they probably don't even have labels. Like if you've got half a million followers, you're probably making your own music.
But anyway, that's the case. So obviously, yeah, maybe you pick one of them that it's available. And the other guy, well, you could use mine. Well, talk to your fucking label. I tried we talked when they said no point is, is that they would probably help promote the living shit out of that video. Some of them are probably semi recognizable. And as you're doing the story, they'll become more recognizable. And then they'll help promote it. Yeah. So you know, I'm saying that to me, I was thought was a decent idea for and probably fairly low budget, not
Yeah, you know, low budget is different, obviously, a million dollars, you guys are like, it's a million dollars, like a lot of money. It sounds like a lot. It does. It's interesting, because that's still 1.5 is considered low budget, right? Which is that's high, but like, because micro budgets is like between, you know, 50 and 100,000. So and then and then ULBs would be up to like 250,000 ultra low budget, right?
and then low budget is yeah and but you know i guess if you if we didn't involve we didn't do it sag which if you do union then you got to pay more right for things and you're regulated and
Back then, you had to do like COVID restrictions, and that cost $30,000 at the gate. Well, then also, if it's sag, doesn't each actor has to get so much to get a certain amount? Yeah, yeah. So exactly. And so like, non units is the best way to go. But I mean, I understand if you need to get a good actor, somebody is recognizable. It's all catch 22. And it doesn't mean that because you have a recognizable faces is going to do well or in like you said, a drama is like on if you have a drama with no stars, you're dead in the water.
Yeah, if you have a comedy, that's why I was thinking I was hoping this could maybe this scenario gets around that somehow. Yeah, there's probably I don't know anything. Yeah, there's loopholes in it and a lot sounds. So it's just it's just catching lightning in a bottle, you know, you just got to kind of because the drama can make it, you know, it doesn't. It's a story like look at Tarantino, you know, made reservoir dogs, you know, that was that was kind of a drama. I mean, there's a little bit action in it. But
Those times are hard now because how do you get separated? There's so much material coming out every year. That's the thing. How do you separate yourself? I know we made a unique film, a good film, but that's why we're going to play off my stand-up. A comedian made a horror film. I just shot my special two weeks ago in Vero Beach. It's going to be nice. Seven-camera shoot, crane. It's going to look beautiful. And then we'll shop that around.
And then hopefully they can cross promote each other. Yeah, I think that this probably the better cross. I mean, hopefully that does work. I'm not saying that I'm just saying, but the the second one that you said you were just written about, it's kind of like a comedy. Yeah, you said we're kind of like, yeah, straight up is a comedy. Yeah, that sounds more able to be cross promoted with your with your style. Yeah, with your stand up. Yeah. Well, my next film is similar to
to to it's a comedy horror film, but it's like a hallmark Christmas movie. But then it introduces just the explanation alone, it introduces a bad Santa character. Right, right. This is my character from the cruise ship.
um into this world he gets stuck stuck and so now he's in this world it's like weird if you watch a hallmark you're like this is corny dial-out corny storylines like love triangles what is it the snowman yeah oh yeah yeah yeah that wasn't even a hallmark that was regular netflix i feel like netflix is starting to do kind of hallmarkese type of movies yeah i watched about half that with my wife just the whole time she goes what are you what are you doing she's like do what's good
No, it's bad. They're bad. And this is very hallmarky. It starts out hallmarky. Sign the petition to save the Christmas tree. It's very hallmarky. You already hate these characters. I mean, you like them, but you hate them. You want them dead. So there's my character gets into this this scenario and he just he wants to get out of this holiday hellscape, you know, because he's he it just and he curses, you know, there's no cursing. Because it takes you into it starts out in this hallmark situation and 10 10 pages in.
you meet these guys that own a bar like I own a bar and it's just him this month this this Salvation Army Santa is sitting at the bar just drunk and the two bartenders are you know their their place is still obligated that the bar and it's like you know you'd be better off you've dressed this place up he's like fuck Christmas fuck Santa like his mom cheated on his dad with a mall Santa like that's the story right so you kind of set up like she's she sucked the joy out of Christmas like she literally sucked the joy out of Christmas
And so they you know, you start out with that, if I can, the dirty down CD, and then this introduce this character into this world. So you're thinking, okay, well, that's what it is. He wants to get out. And then halfway through, it's it turns, it just turns on its side 180 degree turn, it turns
Some of the characters in the in the hallmark world turn into monsters and start eating everybody in the town. So so it so it now it's an 80s 90s monster movie they take hold they they hold up in a Christmas Nick next door like the mist right it's misty out you know it's dark you don't see and so all that shit you know they're trying to get out alive right and so so it's like have you ever seen from dusk till dawn yeah so it's kind of like that so it's like halfway through like what the hell is this yeah
And I wrote the script and it ran it through an AI program, got really good feedback. Very original. Very original. This could be a holiday classic. AI said it could be a holiday classic. Yeah, this program they have that ran it through. And it gave really good feedback on stuff I know I needed to fix in the script. So I was like, oh yeah, they understand.
I think it would be satisfying for people who roll their eyes at Hallmark movies. Do you have a cast picked out? Here's an idea. There's a pair of influencers, this guy and this girl, on Instagram. They only have 70,000 followers but they have reels that have 29 million, 15 million, 11 million. They're actors. They do the Hallmark thing. They do Hallmark movies, Cheesy, they play into it.
Depending, you know, it's like you get you know who it is. I know who you're talking about. Yeah, the two white guy to white a white girl like we were thinking we were thinking get actual hallmark like really Well-known hallmark to get play a couple of the main characters. I mean, obviously we're gonna play Yeah, we're gonna play some actors but if we get two of those people that are really recognizable and we make one like turn into a monster and one like a Main character, right? And then maybe she dies or like, you know, whatever
Um, that would be very satisfying and very fun for, I think, another audience, you know, to see. So why did you have the beard? Oh, for the beard or the movie for the film? Because yeah, I was like, this guy just eat. He, uh, he just got out of the military. He's been out of the military for like three months. And, uh, he just, he just wanted a different change, a different look. He didn't want to shave. So it was a little longer for the right, um, just a little bit.
And so he had and and and me with clean face. I look too nice. OK, and so my character slowly evolving through the movie. So you're kind of getting scared of this guy, right? So I wanted to be a scary like I put on like 20 pounds. I'll say you look pretty. Yeah, back there I was back down. I was like 225. I think for the film like I might like 218. Yeah, when you guys were watching, I was looking through the IMBD page. It looks looks good. I wanted to be this big menacing thing because it kind of you know,
Fits for the character and and it would be weird if I was just some skinny unshaven it wouldn't even look like one of our neighbors went to the screening and now he's like, yeah, I'm kind of nervous around Carl. Never saw my stand up. If you haven't seen the stand up, you're like, oh, jeez. But if you've seen the stand up, then it's like, it might even be like hard to get you in that right moment excited. Yeah, it's like the old, you know, the what is it like?
Adam Sandler when he plays a serious role. Sometimes it's hard, but you know, he does it well. Or Vince Vaughn when he plays something serious. It takes you a little bit, but then he gets it, you know, he's good. So it's like that, you know. What do you want to do? I mean, I think we're good as far as we got plenty of footage. I think. You want me to do an outro and an intro? Yeah, but I have a question, I guess for people, you know, that just listened and kind of want to know more about the
Film or what how they could watch it potentially or whatever like where could we send them? Okay, cool. Yeah, that'd be great Well for right now we got to we have on Instagram. We have I possess movie Instagram I possess movie Facebook tick tock is I possessed I think it is and I possess movie comm so everything just it's one word I possessed like I the one word
When you were on when you were on stage, I thought why didn't he do the lowercase I but it is lower. Yes. Look, I just have the little bit of blood. Yeah, and it's more I it's not like iPhone. Yeah, you know, but you know, some people might be confused because like I thought it'd be a phone, you know, there's a phone like oh I robot, right? Yeah, so it's we just thought it was cool way to put in as an eye internally.
We have that will be out. Like I said, we're doing a tour around the if you go to the website, the tour will be on there what we're going to do. It's still evolving, still evolving. But we're definitely going to be on VOD in April. So it'll be out in April, probably along with my comedy special. It's called Let's Take It Back. That'll be my comedy special. And then I'll have them both out there. And then who knows where we're going to go from there. But just follow me Carl Remy on on YouTube. I'm getting that going now. Tomorrow.
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"text": " So I was about to lose his license. I kind of want to lose his license. I got a car and a convoy. Like that is a lot to keep track of. As a matter of fact, that guy, I legally had his name changed just to see if I could do it, just to go through the process and actually paid a lawyer to change his name because, you know, I had the same name as him. So I wanted to go through the process. Like I was always doing, trying to figure stuff out. Why did, so you had, you obviously clearly had like enough money. Why didn't you just stop? So that's the whole thing is to answer that question. It starts off as,"
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"text": " the retired FBI agent. Oh, yeah. So he's he comes on the podcast all the time. His name is Tom Simon. And he's he's a remember he was a private investigator, Florida, licensed Florida private investigator, and he's a retired FBI agent. Really? Yeah. He investigated financial finance. Yes, you were sitting right there. Yeah."
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"text": " And I and I was just like, I was like, so weird, right? Yeah, I was like, boy, I said, what's funny is I'm about to blow all these fuckers. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's he's he was the comedian. I just said, you know, and it's funny, because I don't work for the crowd. Yeah, I don't even riff that much. A lot of times, like when I'm doing a set, but it was small grew. Yeah. And this that environment, you know, is conducive. And then plus the guy, I don't know, people, it just was an interesting crowd."
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"text": " And then you sell all of your stock immediately at the at the high level then everybody then the stock plummets because everybody sees the sales and you just dump your $30,000 life savings as a 35 year old man. You'd put 30 $30,000 to Hawk to a girl. Yeah into Hawk to a Hawk to a currently is that the attraction was because she got on board and they're like, oh"
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"text": " but this is the insanity of fame like you get fame and people it's like this thing that people all aspire to or want or need or it's like a gambling addiction or yeah like they want to be around you if somebody's popular and she's partnered with she like partnered the podcast with like uh jake paul's like company which they've been in and out of cryptos and like the crypto is like breeding ground yeah all their cryptos are yeah for degenerate gamblers people are just"
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"text": " And then, you know, he brings the energy so high that the headliner can't continue that. So it's like, quick, quick, get them off with you guys. Like I played around a lot. Right. And just in kind of but when I'm doing a 20 minute set, right, it's just boom, boom, joke, joke, joke. How long were you up there for? Like I did like almost 50, which you got really"
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"text": " Yeah, it was was good. Sorry. It is easier to do that, especially when there's a good room. All right, and that guy started kicked it off with the $30,000. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the guy he immediately went into. Yeah, you don't want to you don't want to call somebody snitch get punched. Oh, yeah, like Johnny Mitchell. Jimmy. Johnny Mitchell. Yeah. Yeah, that's Johnny Mitchell. Johnny Mitchell is a guy that has a huge, a huge"
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"text": " What YouTube sorry, yeah, he's podcast very similar to this tick tock. He's probably got everything I think I only know but he's been on the program and he's been interviewed me but he was a he was he's actually got a funny story. He anyway he was a it's changed. It's changed which is what it was probably the only issue I have when he's very he's very nice and he's one of those guys that you you want to dislike."
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"text": " being kind of in the professional and having some issues there. And then you want to dislike him. And then he came here and he was he was so fucking charming. It was irritating. Do you know what I'm saying? Where you're just like, oh, you're so charming. I wanted to do that. I want to hate you. And, you know, just just get the door full. He just came in. He compliments my wife. Tell you, tell me I watch all your stuff, bro. I'm a huge fan. Stop it. Yeah."
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"text": " And he was selling some grass and got caught and went to prison did a few years and got out and that was it, you know, but then over the years, and then he started doing comedy. Well over the years, he became a big time dealer with the cartel that they got him for something minor and he went to prison. So it's like your story is evolved quite a bit. But whatever, put that aside, you know, these embellishing"
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"text": " I think so. Yeah, I think so. But here's the problem is once again, I like him like now. I kind of like him like you kind of root for him, right? And so so I mean that and that's kind of what's just out there on the internet, but I think he's probably quashed a lot of and then anytime you talk to a guy who's a real guy who's really dealt in in drugs and cartel with the cartel and everything they're like, yeah, half of what he's saying doesn't make sense. But regardless, he has a massive following and once again, he's he's a comedian and he's extremely funny."
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"text": " You know, and so and on top of that, very smart and has a massive platform right now. But here's why that happened. And everyone's like, Oh, cuz he's amazing. Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. He is amazing. He's like I said, he's all those things. I'm not taking any of that away from him. I think probably what happened was he did go to prison because he was selling grass not at the level he was selling that he says he is now but that's neither here nor there went to prison. But while he was in prison,"
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"text": " And he did comedy and did really well at it. He said, but my thing is, he's like, like, I didn't know if it was just because I'm in here that I'm funny. Am I funny outside? And everyone's like, you got to be a comic comic. So he got out and he started doing comedy. And he got up and so there was a video of him, where he got up and he's doing comedy at a comedy club. And a guy in the crowd, he's working the crowd, right? Super smart guy, he can"
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"text": " So he would you call it riffing? Yeah, riff, improv. Yeah, he's bam, bam, bam. And a Mexican guy is there. And this is what kills me. This is why I know you were never in a serious, serious prison. Because if you were in a serious if you were really in a pen, you would have never thought to say this. The guy says something is Oh, you went to prison for what? Oh, how much were you moving? He has a conversation with them like what you were doing. And the guy said, I went for like,"
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"text": " Anyway, Johnny's like, you know what people realize like I started getting the better of him They stop it bro that dude that guy's like five foot six. You're six foot four He threw you off the stage like he attacked you and this is online. This is all yeah The video is is funny, but you don't you know Like if you had really been in a in a real serious prison even now like you I never say like your guys are like, oh bitch You're crazy. I never say that I would say that to somebody it's extremely disrespectful"
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"text": " and he would they would ask him about his story he can tell his story he tells a great story i think i know you're talking about tall thin good looking guy he's got what johnny mitchell it's called the connect with johnny mitchell he's got over a million let me see that youtube clip by the way on his channel is most popular shorts now this is on his this is the most popular shorts 27 million and 7 million views and he said he was in maximum security"
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"text": " Probably when do you start that channel? I'm gonna say two years. I mean two years. Yep. He blew up. I mean just what what is the interview on his channel and other other? Yeah, more so smugglers more a little more hardcore. I would say than than what we do. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about yeah, he'll interview guys about and they'll they'll talk more about like being in prison and prison and"
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"text": " stole, you know, $40 million, like he's saying, or if it was the 2 million in the article, but this is he's now saying that was the amount was this and that like, I'm not doing five hours of research for an hour and a half podcast, like, what are you doing? I'm doing we're doing five and six of these a week. So he gets an opportunity to tell a story, you know, we could and even if halfway through the story, I start thinking, as bullshit, you know, I'm not I'm not not here to judge you and tell you, no, bro, that's bullshit. I don't think so. You know, many times I've had a guy sit here and tell me,"
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"text": " where they'll go, you know, yeah, I got caught with, you know, two keys Brown, and, you know, so I really good lawyer, bro, like, I got three years, I'm thinking, and I'm like, in federal prison, and they're like, Yeah, yeah, no, it was a federal case. I'm like, Okay, but I'm sitting there thinking,"
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"text": " mandatory minimums 10 years like you should be doing a minimum of a 10 maybe 20 you got free like the OJ yeah well he he know what he obviously he cooperated against his co-defendants you know I'm saying so you caught like and I don't have a problem with listen I cooperate I got 26 I did 13 of course I cooperated I got 26 I'm a white-collar criminal"
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"text": " What? Who do you think you're talking to? No, I'm just joking. I know. No, we could turn the channel, whatever you want to turn it to. I've had those conversations where I stood up. No, we're watching Walking Dead tonight. I'll give a fuck. I'll take that TV to the fucking. They're like, sit down, Cox. We're gonna let you watch it because you did a little show. I'm really scared of you."
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"text": " Everybody had cool nicknames in prison. They had like, you know, they're guys, you know, we we and, and, uh, uh, Pookie and, and, you know, big John and, you know, you know, they got these kind of these, you know, Hulk and, you know, six, cause he's six foot tall or, you know, or, you know, uh, 20 or night was the one guy, uh, uh, uh, 21, you know, they got 21. Well, why they call you 21? Cause the 21 bodies on my case. That's why I'm just fucking around. I'm just, you know, they got numbers. I tried to push chainsaw."
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"text": " No, it was someone here to drop off a mail for John Boziak. I was like, oh, he don't live here. Oh, we should have interviewed. Are you up and up in this job? What is that code for? This is my old roommate. He's dodging child support. And we get all tied. They're like, hi, John Boziak. No, can you sign here? Doesn't live here. Doesn't live here."
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"text": " But now he moved to Thailand He's still coming they're coming to Tampa Yeah, we missed an opportunity with a podcast with him Yeah, cuz we just that we did a podcast where he left and we just did like oh why you're leaving and we're like, oh, you know Just to try experience something new but we should have done it. We should have done it. I'm leaving They're on my ass. They're all over me And this is just for child support"
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"text": " Oh, yeah, but it's not like one. This isn't one kid. Oh, really? This is a guy who's been he's been working on like a football team. He's he's he's he's going to start a new colony. Yeah, some guy with some paperwork and I was just like, yeah, he don't live here. He's like, sorry, we're filming podcasts and just kind of shut the door. But you got to get your you got to get your eye thing fixed. I can't I can't tell what I'm looking to the little people and I can't really tell."
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"text": " Oh, it's just like scratch or something. So that just happened? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I thought, I thought it might've been a guest like, cause we have a guest later this afternoon. It was like, you know, who might be interviewed the guy. I mean, okay. Well, when Boziak here, here's a funny story. When Boziak was here, uh, we're doing a podcast, Matt and him are doing a podcast door loud knocking the door, doorbell rings. Next thing you know, you just seen the camera him get up and dart off. Yeah. Yeah. He bolts. I got up to go check that he's out the back."
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"text": " What happens if the guy finds them? But they just serve him. They're going to make him take a DNA test. If he gets served, he's done. Then what happens is if you don't do the DNA test, now you've been served. Right now, he can say, I didn't know this happened. I've never been served. Once you get served, they can do stuff like they can cancel your driver's license. They can put an arrest warrant out. You're supposed to go take a DNA test and you didn't."
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"text": " Cancel his driver's license put a warrant out for him. Like they're gonna get it So is he was he being like chased at Walmart and stuff like that? They're just like they're not that of aggressive because I know somebody gets served like at a funeral No, I think people get served like people like in the most rant like the hardest times the guy's grieving in here and"
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"text": " What's funny is one time I got, I either got a knock on the door for him, open the door, and there's two cops standing there. And I open the door and they go, they go, John Bozey, can I go, I go, no, no, they go, does he live here? I said, No, no, it's good. And I'm sitting there looking at him. And listen, I'm on federal probation."
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"text": " Is your heart pounding? He's not supposed to be living here. My probation officer, actually, when she came to check out the house and walked around the whole house and walked into his room, she's like, whose room is this? And I said, oh, I said, this is my, my wife's daughter. She comes and stays here. She's got a room. So, so one of her daughters was staying here. And the other one, there was another room, which was Boziaks. I said, this is her other dog. She didn't stay here a lot, but she does have a room here. And she's like, okay, turned around walks out. I'm like,"
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"text": " And they're like, okay, just had to check. But I'm sitting there while I said that, as soon as I said, no, I said, who? I thought, did you just lie to law enforcement while on probation? Luckily, they said he's not in trouble. And I was like, okay, yes, I was like, thank God you gave me the opportunity to come clean. Because I was sitting here thinking,"
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"text": " If I are you like, my wife will kill me if I let them leave without correcting that. Yeah, she'll be like, what are you doing? Like, you know, you don't know this guy. When did you clean that up? Yeah, this was no, I'm talking about my new wife. I knew my old wife. That was 25 years ago. Okay. No, my new my new wife, which is funny because if we had when we were doing the when I met you, if you had gone down the thing,"
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"text": " And you've been like, Oh, who's this? I'd be like, Oh, my wife. Oh, where'd you meet halfway house? She did five years for ice. How did I get? How did we go back? What is happening? And we're friends with the FBI agent. Yeah."
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"text": " And that was like true love. He just had something common right away. Like how do you know I even approach somebody like, well, you know, like when I got to the halfway house, like there were like three things I needed. Right. And I was like, so the first thing I did was I luckily had just gotten another I'd optioned one of the options came due and I got a check. I got like $7,000. So first thing I knew I needed was I needed I needed a car."
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"text": " I got that check and I went and bought a car and you know, and then I needed a job. So I called a buddy of mine who owns a gym. I said, hey man, I need a job. He said, oh, I'll give you a job. I said, okay. And then I, I remember I needed a girlfriend and I looked around the halfway house. I said, I'll take that. The money left over. I can buy you a steak. What's funny about her is like she didn't want to date me."
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"text": " She's a criminal. Wait a second. Oh, listen, if you saw her, one arms completely sleeved, just did five years, way tougher than me, grew up in, you know where Okeechobee is?"
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"text": " Yeah, yeah, yeah, she grew up in Okeechobee. Oh, yeah. So it's like Okeechobee is known for like, like dairies and like meth. Yeah, so you know, she didn't work in the dairy. So, so met it met her it's like she was let me give you an example. Her first husband, Johnny Buck. Johnny Buck and she Yeah. Oh, listen, she knows guys named Skeeter. Johnny Buck, Skeeter, you know, she they're all they got all they got these names that you're like, Oh my god, this is straight out of casting of"
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"text": " She's like serious. She's pretty cool. She's the man of the house. Like when the landlord says, Hey, can you check my podcast? Check the check the water sprinkler system. I'm like, that would be, that'd be, that'd be a, a, an assignment for Jess. Let me forward this. He keeps sending me stuff. Hey, can you check the, the alarm system? I got a notification. It went down. I'm like, yeah, I don't know why you keep asking me. Right. Right. Of course. I appreciate it. Yeah. She asked me in the loop. Yeah."
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"text": " I'm not changing the tire. That's what you're trying to tell me. What's the comedian? He walks on stage. He's a little chubby blonde hair. He does the jokes about his mom about his wife. He's always talking about his wife. Jim Gaffigan. Yeah, is that he does the clean stuff? Yeah, it's very clean. But he does a skit where he's like the the plumber was at my house. And, you know, I walk by and he stops me and he starts talking to me about, you know, the water heater."
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"text": " And I'm like, you know, I don't even know if we have a water heater. He's like, but we would like to buy one from you if you're selling. He's like, I don't know. I mean, I everything he says about his role in the household resonates with me. Yeah. Yeah. I feel you, bro. Change the light bulb goes out, get a new lamp. I'll come on a Saturday or something. I'll walk out. Jess will walk in and she's got like some grease on her and stuff in her blue jeans or at her cowboy boots and all that. What's going on? She's like, I'm just changing my world."
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"text": " We can do that. She's like, she's like, Hey, I'm going to my dad's tomorrow. Is that okay? I'm like, Yeah, what's going on? Well, he, you know, his brakes are out. And so I'm gonna go there. I just got the pads. And so I'm gonna go. Yeah, like on our neighbor's house. They have a nuisance alligator. Listen, I'm just gonna get rid of it. She changed my neighbor's battery. The old guy next door his car wouldn't start. She's over there changing the battery. I got it. I got it. I'm like, that's great."
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"text": " Did you want to help? I know all these dudes are coming over. Hey, Matt, is your wife home? Yeah, exactly. All right. I'm gonna take it to the shop. Yeah, she's done. So if you had stopped, if you'd focused in on her a little bit, man, it would have been, you know, I tried to get to everybody. I guess I ran out of time."
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"text": " I thought that dude was long. I let him go. I don't normally let him just talk forever. I was like, yeah, so what was the story was this guy? This is talking about the gambling guy. So what did he say? Like what?"
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"text": " What will happen? Oh, man. I mean, I can remember. He just was kind of working the room. It's like, Oh, what are you doing? And he said, Oh, what do you do? Like, he got the guys down. I think it's single people. He's like, I just broke up with my girl. Yeah. Yeah. He said, Yeah. Oh, how single was like, Oh, a week, two weeks, whatever. He's like, Oh, yeah. Oh, what happened? He said, Well, she, she lost $30,000 gambling."
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"text": " But the story comes out any slot, right on a shipping on a cruise. But the story came out that couple weeks beforehand. They've been gambling. And he said, I don't gamble much. She does. And she hit a bunch of jackpots in a row and have won a chunk of money. Then she went on a cruise with a dude, right? No, I don't think that wasn't the other dude. I just think she went on a cruise with some friends and she lost $30,000 came home."
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"text": " Said I got robbed and someone stole my credit card and they ran up a bunch of debt and I don't have money to pay my rent. Can you and I borrow a couple thousand dollars from you and he was sure show me your credit card show me where they ran up these debts show me where the show me all the evidence and I'll lend you the money she got into a huge fight with them and and then that he was and we broke up."
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"text": " No, they didn't break up. She left. He said, the next day or two, they were talking and she said she he found out or she told him he had borrowed three or $4,000 from another man. And he said, and right then I said, we're done. We're done."
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"text": " So, you know, good for you, man. Right. Boundaries. That's what came out. But it was a therapy session. It was a therapy. He was like, I'm like, does everybody feel I think I said that. Come out of here feeling good. We're releasing a lot of things."
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"text": " Because that's what everybody was given like you know guys are like, yeah Oh, no, the first woman was like yelled it. Did she say something about him? Yeah, the first girl's like, oh, you're an asshole. Yeah breaking up And then he goes wait a minute. We don't know the story. Yeah, what happened? Like yeah, how do you feel now? Yeah It was good. Yeah, that was funny stuff. Yeah, then he went to Tom and"
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"text": " And you can imagine he's thinking, I'm going to be able to play around with Tom and Tom was like FBI, private detective FBI. I'm like, yeah, I guess we're done talking. Yeah. Investigated. Definitely. But I talked to his son, you know, and his son was cool because he was like, I'm a biologist. Yeah. And but I want to jump out. I'm like, what do I do with that? Jump out of planes. I think that's not even just in the same area. I know. Do you know about this? You're paying all his money for college."
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"text": " And then I see this page actor. I just told you I made a movie. You come up with Hey, you got anything coming up? Maybe I can jump on was the other one was the chick was somebody was though she had a degree in psychology and then Oh, yeah, he wants to be a life coach. Yeah, he is he's in that"
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"text": " suck now because now you could just be a life coach. She's like, yeah, I know. She knew. That's great. You see in her face like these motherfuckers. Yeah, you just just go on social media, build yourself up a little a little following and you can get some catchy catchphrases like some stupid quotes. Today's gonna be a good day. I've had multiple guys on here that that that's what they do now. Like they're they're like life coaches. So there's Luke, but Luke"
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"text": " successfully runs multiple car, car lots, and has several different businesses. So he's turned himself into like, he went to prison, he was addicted to opiates, robbed the bank,"
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"text": " He's like six foot two, massive, walks into the place with the mask and says, I think we all know why I'm here. Put the money in the bag and they all jumps in his car leaves. It's funny. The description was so spot on. His father calls him that night and says,"
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"text": " Want to tell me something you know why what he goes did you rob a bank today? Why why would you say that? This is a six foot four He said they jumped into a car doesn't your girlfriend have a Pontiac Whatever it was he's like don't know what you're talking about. He's like, yeah Well, just letting you know they may be looking it said just married sign like what are you doing? Oh"
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"text": " So how much time did he do for that? I think he did like four years or something. That's it for armed robbery? Well, I don't know, was he armed? Or maybe it was six. It wasn't that, it's not that bad. Robin Banks is not that bad. Well, I don't think he, I forget the exact scenario, but he didn't, it wasn't that bad. It must have been a note, was it? Maybe it was a note. Maybe he just walked in and acted like he had a gun or something. I don't know. So if you rob a bank with a gun, like if you walked in right now with a gun, you could"
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"text": " You probably get four or five years, maybe more. Now, if you brandish the gun and scared people, or if you fired it, you're getting probably 10 or 15. But if you just kind of showed them the gun, or if you just walked up and said, I have a weapon or whatever, if you use a note, you just use a note, you don't threaten anyone in the note."
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"text": " You're going to get three years. I'd write a nice one. I know a guy who robbed three banks. One of the banks was he robbed it twice. You're on three banks, one twice and with a note and all the note said was you're being robbed. Put the money, you know, give me all the money in the drawer."
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"text": " Immediately, nobody will get hurt, you know, and so it wasn't directly threatening really. And so they gave him like $2,500. I think I like they don't ever make any money. It's 2500 or 1500. It's not even maybe three Graham. He got the money left. I'm going for the safe. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'd be like, take me to your safe. That'd be in the note. Yeah. Well, great. You're getting you're getting a drive. Read the note."
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"text": " There's more on that note. Listen, I love the guys. In the PS. I love the guys that say, give me the money and they're like, they're like, no. She's like, it's in the PS. Let's go to the bank. Can you see the final? There's lots of people. And they're like, no. Yeah, they're like, no, I'm not gonna do that. And they'll actually struggle. I would pull out another piece of paper, write another note. And then these guys take off on the run or the girls will chase them. There's some funny ones. Really? Oh, yeah. So, but"
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"text": " Listen, my favorite one is the college kid that I was locked up with that had, it was in college, he robbed like the bank on, you know, on campus, like the credit union or something. He goes in with a BB, he and another guy going with a BB gun, with BB guns. And they go get on the ground, get on the ground. And several people kind of hunched, but weren't really getting down and the one kid pull shoots BB gun."
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"text": " Yeah. It ricochets and hits somebody in the leg, hits a woman in the leg. Boom! And she goes, I'm hit! And she falls on the ground. He's like, listen, I swear to you, it didn't break the skin. Literally, the cops took 10 photos at different angles to try to make it look horrible. He's like, it's clearly a BB. It didn't break the skin. But he said, we immediately got like, she screams, you hear the pew and I'm hit! And he was like, oh god! And they ran. They don't even get the money."
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"text": " They take off on the run. He goes home, goes immediately to the dorm where he's staying, shaves his head. So he's sitting there and he goes, I'm shaving my head. I'm bleeding. My roommate walks in. You can hear sirens. It was like, Hey man, did you just hear that somebody robbed the bank? Uh, you know, and he's like, no, he's like, why are you shaving your head? Within a day, like the next day they grabbed him. You had hair yesterday."
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"text": " So he gets locked and he's like, and I'm like, he's like, when we're running, he said, why'd you shoot the BB gun? He's like, Oh, no, bro. I just thought I was trying to make a point. He's like, it's a BB gun. They weren't nobody moved shooting the BB gun. Just coming on your head."
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"text": " He said he used to always joke the fact that she screamed I'm hit. Was that just a patron? That wasn't even the teller? No, it was just some woman in the wild. I'm bleeding out. Get a tourniquet. Get a tourniquet. She's not going to make it."
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"text": " Tell my family. I love them. You get up. I do just do we got to go on the lam. You can hear them. That'd be me. I'd be a paranoid. That's like you were talking like you see a cop behind me too. I'm like, dude, or at the airport. They know why is that dog looking at me? And I don't even have drugs on me. Like I don't even do drugs."
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"text": " I heard he did like the one album or whatever. And then when he was getting started getting really famous, it was it wasn't as good. Oh, yeah. Well, that you use a lot of your some of the some of their best, your best stuff and plus you're hungry."
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"text": " You have to have some domestic violence in there. You've got to beat your wife if you want a good story. If you want to have a good story, you've got to have a car blow up on you. It doesn't have to be crime, but you have to have an alcohol problem. You mean a headache? We can talk. Dude, I'm sober 11 years. I've got stories. I was a train wreck. I was a couple bottles a day for legit. Really? Hell yeah."
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"text": " someone who doesn't know Matt's story, realize the story. Especially a comic we just met. I'll send you a podcast. It's funny because I always think when I think the best podcast I did was probably Danny's or Soft White Underbelly. But everybody else says, do you know who Lex Friedman is? Yeah. So I did Lex Friedman. Oh, cool. And it was"
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"text": " Who else falls asleep to Matt Cox every night? Oh, yeah. I used to go to sleep to forensics files, you know, you want to hear like about death and I did a like a junket for for this, this guy, my wife and I and I'm somewhere in the keys. Well, let's keep our go."
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"text": " Is Broward? No, that's Pasco. To me, that sounds like Miami. Fort Lauderdale. Right next to Miami, like Fort Lauderdale. Okay, I was thinking Dade counties. Yeah, Broward, Dade. Okay, Broward, Dade. In my mind, anything south of Fort Pierce is Miami. Straight out the trailer park. Yeah, I see that. Yeah, I'm not pointing punches, I'm not hiding anything."
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"text": " Like, do you understand? They don't make any bad food out here. There's nothing on the menu I won't eat and be thankful for it. Unless it's so hot because I don't want hot stuff. But other than that, how bad is the food in there? It's pretty bad. It's not as bad as you think. Do you eat like that?"
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"text": " No, it's not like that when you see on TV, they come home. That's like state prison. That's like state prison where these guys are getting robbed and beat up and there's rapes and stuff like this. That's not very seldomly. Was there rapes in your prison? I mean, you know, there's the thing like gay guys get arrested. Yeah, gay guys get arrested. So gay guys in prison"
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"text": " Like, you know, they'll the gay guys will tell you like, like, oh, you know, gay guys rock or they rule in prison. They get there and within a week like guys are buying them tennis shoes. They're buying them because these guys have 30 years life sentences. Yeah. And you know, so they're like, you know, if you need me and that's how it always starts. You have some guy come up to you go. Yeah, you need anything? No, no."
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"text": " I like the way them pants fit you. All right, we're done Don't mess with cutie cocks I have a whole I have a whole bit about when I first got to prison and"
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"text": " This is bad. I was gonna say first of all, like, imagine, imagine me. Yeah. How many years ago? No, no. On that Shawshank line. 18, 18 years ago. So 18 years ago, remove some wrinkles. But you know, maybe a little thinner, I get to prison. And when I get to prison, what I didn't realize is that all the pant size run a little bit small."
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"text": " So I go the day the second day you get there you go and you get your you get your clothes. So I get my clothes and I go and the guy I'm I'm like, yeah size. Whatever I said, I forget like size 30 or 31 and he's like guy goes at you're more like a 3435 and I went ever been a sub not if we talking about I saw 31 maybe 32 is at most guy goes. All right, and he just kind of okay gives me my stuff."
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"text": " Well, they run small. So I'm basically by the time I pull my pants on, I'm sporting a camel toe. I got a camel. I'm walking around prison and tight, tighty little pant. Get it back. Yeah, I could, but it takes a while. Like you have to go back in, give them the club, write a cop out. It takes a couple of days. So I'm walking around sporting my camel toe and I'm a clean cut white guy in a medium security prison with"
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"text": " That is, I'd say 90% of the guys, they're there for violence, you know, and drugs, and I'm one of there, maybe 20 to 30 white guys, the bulk of them, I'd say 80%, maybe 70% is black, and then 25% is probably Hispanic, and then maybe 5% white guys out of those, let's say 30 out of those 30, I'm one of maybe four white guys, that's"
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"text": " I'm there's maybe four white guys that aren't there for math. So out of those 30 guys like I have nothing like I have all my teeth."
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"text": " You know, like I tied ass pants. Yeah, exactly. So I very quickly. People in the comment section will now start calling the old hot. So I got these guys and I only say this I only say this because it's what happened. It's not racist or had nothing to do with but it just happened to be over the next few days or the next week."
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"text": " multiple large black guys walk up to me, yo bro, can I talk to you for a second? And I'm like, yeah, what's going on? Let me talk to you over here. Over there where there's no cameras? I'm talking here. What's going on? I'm just saying, you know, I'm looking for me a friend."
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"text": " What's a friendly place? What do you mean? I don't understand what you mean. And he's like, you know, I'm just saying, you know, you, you need anything? No. What size shoes? I'm gonna get you some shoes. No, I don't need any shoes. I don't need any shoes. What do you like to eat, man? I got whatever you need, man. I got, I'm good, bro. I'm good. I'm good. What's going on? What is this about? Now, suddenly there's some, I'm starting to throw some little bit of a base in my voice. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I don't understand. What do you mean? What are you looking, what do you,"
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"text": " Yeah, so I'm just saying, you know, use a use it because in gays, they call them called gay, they call them punks. Use a use a punk. I mean, I mean, you use gay, right? No, no, no. I don't know where you heard that. Yo, bro, I'm done with this conversation. Turn around and walk away. The next time I'm walking to a couple days later, I'm walking by and I'm more I'm realizing I'm now start to realize like guys are now saying, yo, bro, what's a other white guys are like, what's up with the to pass?"
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"text": " What's happening with them? I didn't know. You know, I'm like, listen, man, I put in a cop out. I'm going to get my shit changed. I didn't know. I don't know what else to do. I, you know, um, and they're like, yeah, you got to fix this, bro. And I'm trying, I'm trying."
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"text": " and then i'm walking i got some guys that comes up to me somebody like hey let me talk to you yeah what's up guys like yo i work in the kitchen you need anything let me know i'm like no no i'm good no i'm saying you need anything like oh what size shoes are you what size shoes no bro i don't need shoes it's a big deal it's a big ticket items like could be between"
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"text": " 40 or 50 bucks to 100. That's kind of flattering. They're gonna give shoes? They're on the shoes? Day one? I get it. I get it. It's just not happening. There's a price to pay. It's far more than 40 or 50 bucks. It's gonna be more than shoes, bro. I'm not worth shoes. There is a price. Excuse me. Now you're getting all defensive. What's funny? This hat. This hat. Like you turned in like such. I need to watch. You know, I heard you got 26 years."
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"text": " I need a cell phone. This goes on for like four or five days. I need my own TV. It's like four or five guys come up to me. So finally, and this is what's funny. This is when my buddy Zach, I have a buddy Zach that I met in prison. We do podcasts together. He big black guy. So another guy had already told me, yo, bro, there's this guy wants to meet you. And I'm like, why?"
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"text": " Oh, I'm not talking to anybody at this point. I'm up against the fence. I'm going to my cell at the last minute just before they do lockdown. You know, I'm not, I'm realizing this is going to be a problem. So"
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"text": " So then my buddy Zach comes up, he comes up to me, walks up to me. He walks right up to me. We have two different versions of how this happened, but either way, it's the same thing. I just, I think I was up where the fences were waiting for them to open the fence. So you could go back to the unit in the check in the rec yard. So I'm standing there and Zach walks up to me, just kind of stands there for a minute. He goes, Hey, I hear we got a lot in common. I go,"
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"text": " By the time I get my pants, it's been too late. It's way too late. I missed the one thing that really sealed the deal was when I first got there. So I was held in the US Marshals Holdover for a year while waiting to be sentenced in Atlanta."
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"text": " But there's like maybe a hundred guys in this unit, right? You never leave the unit. Well, there's no politics. There's no prison politics there, right? So everybody knows Kiki. Everybody's sitting together, playing cards together, joking around. There's no like, yo, I don't talk to that punk, bro. I don't talk to punks. None of that. Like the kind of stuff that happens once you get to prison. Everybody knows this is temporary. So they're not pretending. Plus they're waiting to be sentenced. You don't want to get into a problem. You know, you could say that. You could say something derogatory about a gay guy, but he's still a guy."
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"text": " Yeah, and yeah, most of them are are are nonviolent, but you don't know what this guy might do. You disrespect him. It's still a guy. He may attack you now. I've now got to go in front of the judge and and the prosecutor saying, oh, your honor, he's being sentenced to five years. But by the way, he got into a fight while he's been waiting to be sentenced. We want to add another year for whatever you don't know, right? So everybody's very polite. So when I first get to prison, I go to they call it's a transition unit before they give you your main unit. So you go there. I go there."
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"text": " walk in the door on the second tier as soon as I walk in and I mean there's people everywhere everybody's out of their cells I walk in and I hear hey I look up and it's Kiki going Matt Matt I go hey Kiki what's going on he's like hey Mike I'm so excited comes running down we talked for a couple of minutes"
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"text": " in front of 150 fucking guys at the at my new unit. So and then the next day, I pick up my fucking my camel toe pants. No, so you can imagine like you could you could I would have to do it's just I get it. I want to go to another prison. At that point. Like I'll do the six months in the shoe and wait to be transferred because I got to start. Okay, we get a redo and you had to do a year there. No, I did three years in that three years."
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"text": " And so Zach and them very quickly, because guys would go to them and say, yo, bro, I see you walking around with that with that punk. He available. Like what's going on with it? No, no, no, no, no. He's not Gabriel. They don't don't approach him. Don't this. He's not. He's not. He on the DL. He on that. No, no, no. He's not gay. And they're like, you know, I seen them pants. He was wearing. No, it was a sizing mistake. Yes. And there's a sizing mix up. Here's what happened."
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"text": " What were you going to say? I had a couple of stories. What I was thinking about right now, though, was just like, I wonder if I should title this podcast, Being Gay in Prison. Oh, my God. Yeah. Help me with that. Yeah. And then I know my faces. Oh, yeah. It would be all faces. And then I'm sure I get a text from Matt, like, bro, we have to change this. It's a new demographic. Most of the time, I have no idea what's coming out till something comes until I start getting these comments. And I'll look and I'll be like, what is this guy talking about?"
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"text": " What did Colby do? And then I look at the first 20 seconds as he does like a, I call it like a hook, like an intro where it's like, you'll, you'll say something and then I'll say something. It's just a bunch of clips that kind of lets you know what's coming. I can see. And then I, the 22nd clip I'll be like, Hey, you'll be like, Oh my God, I'll be saying camel toe and you'll be laughing about them buying me shoes. I mean, I'll be like, speaking of clips, like the clips guys that we're talking about earlier."
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"text": " 9 million views 11 days ago. It's it's basically Matt telling these stories me mistaken for being gay in prison. So it could be a popular that's that's a"
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"text": " a topic that applies, like a lot of people kind of wonder that or think like it's like an intriguing topic that someone who may not be interested in prison, they might see that and be like, Oh, like what is that? Yeah. No, I know that, but you understand Colby. So I'm going to say that he's not concerned about my reputation. It's going to be the first 15 seconds. It's going to be Matt doing all the imitations that he was just doing the Kiki imitation and all that. But you've got me doing something. Yeah."
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"text": " He's the only guy managed to come in at a low that I know that went from low to a medium to a pin. It's like you just can't get right. Like what's wrong with you? You keep fucking up and never left the pin. Like you went from one pin I think to another pin. Anyway, did he go to a medium?"
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"text": " I just know he worked his way up. That's all I know. So anyway, it's so, you know, I depend like these kind of like, it's you put they call them cars. So it's not like a gang so much was you would be in like the Florida car. So he ends up with I'm gonna say he ends up with the Florida car or the Texas car, whatever it was. He goes in there, he says, Oh, I'm from Florida. They let go you with the Florida car. So you can go hang out with the guys from Florida, where you from, whatever. They check your paperwork, make sure you're good, you're solid, whatever. So he ends up with this group of guys. And he said, so we're there. Anyway, he said,"
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"text": " Six months later, whatever he said, the main like shot caller for the car invites everybody in to his room. He said, yo, bro, they disrespected us. They disrespected and he starts gets them all hyped up, right? Like, bro, tomorrow, it's going down in the rec yard. We're gonna everybody fucking use get you got your blades and a guy starts handing out like,"
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"text": " We're going to tell them what Florida is all about. Yeah, fuck those motherfuckers. We're going to war. But they're like, yeah, fuck those motherfuckers. Yeah, 12 o'clock in the yard. Yeah, fuck that. And so Zach's in there. Zach's like, he's like, and I'm thinking, yeah, yeah, I'm thinking, fuck what is going on, bro. What have I got myself into? Zach is not that guy either. And Zach's out there. He said, hey, and he said that, well, there's like eight or nine of them in this cell, which doesn't hold eight or nine. Like they're crammed in there and he goes, hey, he said, what, what, what do we,"
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"text": " What are we going to war for? And he goes, yo, and the main guy, main guy goes, um, yo man, they, they disrespected my boy. And he goes, what? He said, my boy, bro. Another one of them dudes tried my boy. And what that means is that another guy approached the guy that he's his boyfriend. And he goes, you mean the punk used to be with or used to live with? He's like, yeah, man, that's what boy disrespected him."
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"text": " And he goes, yo, man, he said, I don't want to go to war over a punk, bro. I don't want to do that. And they were all like, all sudden, he said, everybody was like, yeah, bro, I'm not ready to pick up a fucking murder charge or a riot charge or get stabbed or have to do two years in the shoe and get shipped to a worst prison because somebody approached your your boyfriend."
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"text": " And so they're like, yeah, bro, I, I'm not. And then he said, Zach said, when he's like, when we kind of left the cell, he like guys are walking up to me. Yeah, bro. Thank God you said something. I had no idea. I didn't even realize like, I'm just trying to be a good soldier, you know, and he's like, yeah, man, what the fuck, Helen of Troy."
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"text": " We just told funny prison stories. Yeah. But you know how like Mash, it was such a hit. And that's like in a war situation. And they made it, you know, there were so many funny elements in the middle of a stressful, you know what I mean? It's like I could see this be in the next Mash."
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"text": " We're not going to, there will be no interest. Well, there might, with this one, there may be. Just because it's a little bit different than the actual normal format of somebody. But yeah, like, and then I'm writing down as we're going through, I'm writing down things to create TikToks. Like I have, um,"
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"text": " Yeah, I was telling my wife this other day was like people think it's just putting the clips out, but it is it is a lot. It really doesn't have to do much with the editing or the hashtag. It's a lot of like little what about small things the same thing with the another thing is the packaging on what what the thumbnail looks like and what the title looks like. Yeah for long form. Yeah, we have a guy Ian Bick did a podcast for this guy. It's another he's another podcaster true crime podcaster. He did a an interview with this guy was basically an hour long guy was talking about"
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"text": " He was talking about fire sticks, sorry, jail broke fire sticks. They sell them on Amazon. Anyway, he was selling them. He got arrested. He tells a story over the course of an hour. Put it on Ian's podcast. It got maybe 40,000 views, probably 30 to 40,000. I don't know what's that now. Yeah, I'll check."
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"text": " I came on the podcast, told the exact same story. He has a story down, which is great because you just have to sit there and go, right, right. And he's so, so he, and yeah, so Ian packaged it on Ian's podcast. It was titled tech pirate, like tech pirate sells Amazon fire sticks or something like that. Right. Oh, but because the guy mentioned he got arrested by Grady Judd, Ian is in Connecticut and probably doesn't know who Grady Judd is, but"
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"text": " Colby happens to live in Pasco, Polk County. He's very aware of who Grady Judd is, right? So am I, everybody Floridian is. And so he puts Grady Judd, Sheriff Grady Judd, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, he puts him on the front cover and then puts corruption, names it something about corrupt. Sheriff Grady Judd, because that's like people might search Sheriff Grady Judd, arrest Amazon scammers. Right."
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"text": " Well, one of the stories that I have and it's a true story and there's actually articles about it and everything. It's actually a really good story that I wrote a synopsis about and I was telling Kevin like, bro, this is something that could be done that I think you could do. He didn't bite on it. He did it when we talked about a bunch several times, but he never bit on it because he's working on all these like I'm already doing this. I'm doing this."
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"text": " But it was basically it's a it's this guy that I wrote a story about and he the quick version is a black kid never got in trouble raised in the project but had a good never been never been arrested all his friends have been arrested they're all felons."
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"text": " He actually tried to be an MT, he had gone to school for it, couldn't pass the state test to do it, and it's like, I don't know why I got all good grades in my class. Anyway, ends up work, one of his buddies is like, you know what you should do? You should get your concealed weapons permit and go work for one of these companies that delivers money."
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"text": " And he's like, they make okay money and not great, but they make okay 1520 bucks an hour. And he's like, he's like, okay, he's like, and then we get once you're in there, you've been doing it for a while. He said, we work it out so that we can reset you. You know how it works inside is we set up a robbery. And he's like, he's like, yeah, I'm not gonna do that. He's like, I laughed it off. He's like, but that's not a bad idea. You're right. Because I've never been in trouble."
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"text": " Oh, he does get his license. He does go to work for it. Whether that was true or not. I don't know that he never intended to do this, but whatever. So it's called cash logistics. It's like the third largest moving or logistics company for moving for moving money. He ends up working there. Eventually, six months later, a year later, he ends up being an assistant manager. And he actually does they set up a robbery with these two guys that"
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"text": " can't pull it off. Then he ends up for circumstances, he ends up being in the warehouse by himself multiple times every weekend, or every Thursday or whatever is it just happens to be is at a point where there's supposed to be at least two or three people there. But it ends up where it's just him as the trucks are arriving, he's checking in the money is just him. So he sets it up. So he's like, Look, I'm going to be here alone at this time. Come rob me."
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"text": " Take the money. There's like $11 million in this vault right here. There's like 11 here and three here. One, they rob him. Two, they grab the money out of the wrong vault. They're idiots. They almost kill him because they want it to look real, but the truth is they beat the hell out of me. And then they get away. Anyway, FBI shows up. They know he's in on it, but they can't prove it. They're"
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"text": " doing the whole thing. He eventually quits his job because he's like, they're all over him. He they screw him out of the million dollars million point to he's supposed to get they give him 300 grand. He blows through that then he ends up robbing a truck himself. He gets caught immediately. While this whole thing's going these guys start trying to kill him. They want their put a head out on him. They end up killing his best friend, the guy that set the whole thing up. Now they're trying to kill him. The guy comes for him several times. He gets away."
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"text": " He then robs a truck gets arrested goes to prison gets the goes to prison meets me the other guys that rock that robbed in the first time that screwed him out of the money. They get caught. They go to prison. The cops know they ordered the murder on this guy on his best friend, but they can't prove it. They cooperate. He doesn't cooperate against them by the way. So he gets 10 years for the one robbery. No, he gets 15 years for the first robbery because he fires his weapon. He robs the armored truck gets"
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"text": " Three or four hundred thousand dollars, but he didn't get away. He gets caught like whatever five miles away, but he does fire his weapon several times. That's it. He gets 15 years. You're done. You're not getting left. That's a mandatory minimum and the FBI comes to him is that he's like unless you cooperate you cooperate. We know these guys robbed you here cooperate. You could do five years. He says no, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to cooperate. So he takes the 15 years. So later they arrest these two guys for the main robbery the three million."
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"text": " They cooperate because they've been to federal prisons, so they know how it works. They snitch on him. He ends up getting another charge. He gets 10 more years. He ends up going to prison for 25 years. These guys have already gone to prison on the first on the robbery and gotten out. They all they both did four or five years. They're already out. He served 25 years, but it's a great movie. And there's great just the story. I was like, this is fucking great. It's a very unsatisfying movie to walk out of it. It does. It's you're right. You probably have to do a holiday unless this guy was hateable."
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"text": " You know, he's super nice. Yeah, nice kid. Anyway, so if you could fix it somehow you could it's based on you could always fix it. But here's the thing what I was always saying was this. If you look through the whole thing, it's really only about six characters. He's really the only main case the main character. And then there's a couple of FBI agents, right? So maybe seven characters, eight characters at most."
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"text": " And I was thinking to myself, I was telling Kevin, I was like, do you understand how you could shoot it? I said, here's what you do. You go get several, several up and coming rappers that have 200,000 half a million subscribers or a million subscribers on Instagram. And you go and you find those guys. If you look at it, there's almost no acting."
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"text": " There's almost no very little dialogue other than the main guy, one or two guys. There's no real special effects, very little special effects, you know, other than maybe a gun going off, boom, boom, I mean, anybody can do that, you know, there's not that much, it's not like people are thrown through the air, you know, car chases, there was a couple of car chases, but they're not, they don't have to be insane, just boom, boom, cars chasing after us, there's no crashes or anything."
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"text": " Anyway, very little if you read the whole thing, you'd be like, wow, this is a fucking it's a it's a drama. Yeah, that's it. So anyway, the point I was saying you go get a bunch of up and coming rappers, you get to you, you tell them, look, you're gonna rent you're gonna work for almost nothing. But we'll use your music as the background for the score. And then of course, they end up having millions of followers that hopefully they can promote. And you never know if one of these guys is going to become big. Maybe one of these guys is the next two"
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"text": " They all want to be actors. All rappers want to be actors in the end. They all want to end up being, I want to jump from this to this. Yeah. So because let's face it, you know, rapping is actually difficult. Just a lot of time doing promotions and like where they'd rather be an actor and go and I can be catered to for three months and work a few months."
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"text": " the acting part could work. I don't know about the music because oftentimes artists don't have the rights to their music. Yeah, but a lot of these when I'm saying a lot of these guys probably don't they probably don't even have labels. Like if you've got half a million followers, you're probably making your own music."
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"text": " But anyway, that's the case. So obviously, yeah, maybe you pick one of them that it's available. And the other guy, well, you could use mine. Well, talk to your fucking label. I tried we talked when they said no point is, is that they would probably help promote the living shit out of that video. Some of them are probably semi recognizable. And as you're doing the story, they'll become more recognizable. And then they'll help promote it. Yeah. So you know, I'm saying that to me, I was thought was a decent idea for and probably fairly low budget, not"
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"text": " Yeah, you know, low budget is different, obviously, a million dollars, you guys are like, it's a million dollars, like a lot of money. It sounds like a lot. It does. It's interesting, because that's still 1.5 is considered low budget, right? Which is that's high, but like, because micro budgets is like between, you know, 50 and 100,000. So and then and then ULBs would be up to like 250,000 ultra low budget, right?"
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"text": " and then low budget is yeah and but you know i guess if you if we didn't involve we didn't do it sag which if you do union then you got to pay more right for things and you're regulated and"
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"text": " Back then, you had to do like COVID restrictions, and that cost $30,000 at the gate. Well, then also, if it's sag, doesn't each actor has to get so much to get a certain amount? Yeah, yeah. So exactly. And so like, non units is the best way to go. But I mean, I understand if you need to get a good actor, somebody is recognizable. It's all catch 22. And it doesn't mean that because you have a recognizable faces is going to do well or in like you said, a drama is like on if you have a drama with no stars, you're dead in the water."
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"text": " Yeah, if you have a comedy, that's why I was thinking I was hoping this could maybe this scenario gets around that somehow. Yeah, there's probably I don't know anything. Yeah, there's loopholes in it and a lot sounds. So it's just it's just catching lightning in a bottle, you know, you just got to kind of because the drama can make it, you know, it doesn't. It's a story like look at Tarantino, you know, made reservoir dogs, you know, that was that was kind of a drama. I mean, there's a little bit action in it. But"
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"text": " Those times are hard now because how do you get separated? There's so much material coming out every year. That's the thing. How do you separate yourself? I know we made a unique film, a good film, but that's why we're going to play off my stand-up. A comedian made a horror film. I just shot my special two weeks ago in Vero Beach. It's going to be nice. Seven-camera shoot, crane. It's going to look beautiful. And then we'll shop that around."
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"text": " And then hopefully they can cross promote each other. Yeah, I think that this probably the better cross. I mean, hopefully that does work. I'm not saying that I'm just saying, but the the second one that you said you were just written about, it's kind of like a comedy. Yeah, you said we're kind of like, yeah, straight up is a comedy. Yeah, that sounds more able to be cross promoted with your with your style. Yeah, with your stand up. Yeah. Well, my next film is similar to"
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"text": " to to it's a comedy horror film, but it's like a hallmark Christmas movie. But then it introduces just the explanation alone, it introduces a bad Santa character. Right, right. This is my character from the cruise ship."
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"text": " um into this world he gets stuck stuck and so now he's in this world it's like weird if you watch a hallmark you're like this is corny dial-out corny storylines like love triangles what is it the snowman yeah oh yeah yeah yeah that wasn't even a hallmark that was regular netflix i feel like netflix is starting to do kind of hallmarkese type of movies yeah i watched about half that with my wife just the whole time she goes what are you what are you doing she's like do what's good"
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"text": " No, it's bad. They're bad. And this is very hallmarky. It starts out hallmarky. Sign the petition to save the Christmas tree. It's very hallmarky. You already hate these characters. I mean, you like them, but you hate them. You want them dead. So there's my character gets into this this scenario and he just he wants to get out of this holiday hellscape, you know, because he's he it just and he curses, you know, there's no cursing. Because it takes you into it starts out in this hallmark situation and 10 10 pages in."
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"text": " you meet these guys that own a bar like I own a bar and it's just him this month this this Salvation Army Santa is sitting at the bar just drunk and the two bartenders are you know their their place is still obligated that the bar and it's like you know you'd be better off you've dressed this place up he's like fuck Christmas fuck Santa like his mom cheated on his dad with a mall Santa like that's the story right so you kind of set up like she's she sucked the joy out of Christmas like she literally sucked the joy out of Christmas"
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"text": " And so they you know, you start out with that, if I can, the dirty down CD, and then this introduce this character into this world. So you're thinking, okay, well, that's what it is. He wants to get out. And then halfway through, it's it turns, it just turns on its side 180 degree turn, it turns"
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"text": " Some of the characters in the in the hallmark world turn into monsters and start eating everybody in the town. So so it so it now it's an 80s 90s monster movie they take hold they they hold up in a Christmas Nick next door like the mist right it's misty out you know it's dark you don't see and so all that shit you know they're trying to get out alive right and so so it's like have you ever seen from dusk till dawn yeah so it's kind of like that so it's like halfway through like what the hell is this yeah"
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"text": " And I wrote the script and it ran it through an AI program, got really good feedback. Very original. Very original. This could be a holiday classic. AI said it could be a holiday classic. Yeah, this program they have that ran it through. And it gave really good feedback on stuff I know I needed to fix in the script. So I was like, oh yeah, they understand."
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"text": " I think it would be satisfying for people who roll their eyes at Hallmark movies. Do you have a cast picked out? Here's an idea. There's a pair of influencers, this guy and this girl, on Instagram. They only have 70,000 followers but they have reels that have 29 million, 15 million, 11 million. They're actors. They do the Hallmark thing. They do Hallmark movies, Cheesy, they play into it."
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"text": " Depending, you know, it's like you get you know who it is. I know who you're talking about. Yeah, the two white guy to white a white girl like we were thinking we were thinking get actual hallmark like really Well-known hallmark to get play a couple of the main characters. I mean, obviously we're gonna play Yeah, we're gonna play some actors but if we get two of those people that are really recognizable and we make one like turn into a monster and one like a Main character, right? And then maybe she dies or like, you know, whatever"
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"text": " Um, that would be very satisfying and very fun for, I think, another audience, you know, to see. So why did you have the beard? Oh, for the beard or the movie for the film? Because yeah, I was like, this guy just eat. He, uh, he just got out of the military. He's been out of the military for like three months. And, uh, he just, he just wanted a different change, a different look. He didn't want to shave. So it was a little longer for the right, um, just a little bit."
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"text": " And so he had and and and me with clean face. I look too nice. OK, and so my character slowly evolving through the movie. So you're kind of getting scared of this guy, right? So I wanted to be a scary like I put on like 20 pounds. I'll say you look pretty. Yeah, back there I was back down. I was like 225. I think for the film like I might like 218. Yeah, when you guys were watching, I was looking through the IMBD page. It looks looks good. I wanted to be this big menacing thing because it kind of you know,"
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"text": " Fits for the character and and it would be weird if I was just some skinny unshaven it wouldn't even look like one of our neighbors went to the screening and now he's like, yeah, I'm kind of nervous around Carl. Never saw my stand up. If you haven't seen the stand up, you're like, oh, jeez. But if you've seen the stand up, then it's like, it might even be like hard to get you in that right moment excited. Yeah, it's like the old, you know, the what is it like?"
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"text": " Adam Sandler when he plays a serious role. Sometimes it's hard, but you know, he does it well. Or Vince Vaughn when he plays something serious. It takes you a little bit, but then he gets it, you know, he's good. So it's like that, you know. What do you want to do? I mean, I think we're good as far as we got plenty of footage. I think. You want me to do an outro and an intro? Yeah, but I have a question, I guess for people, you know, that just listened and kind of want to know more about the"
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"text": " Film or what how they could watch it potentially or whatever like where could we send them? Okay, cool. Yeah, that'd be great Well for right now we got to we have on Instagram. We have I possess movie Instagram I possess movie Facebook tick tock is I possessed I think it is and I possess movie comm so everything just it's one word I possessed like I the one word"
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"text": " When you were on when you were on stage, I thought why didn't he do the lowercase I but it is lower. Yes. Look, I just have the little bit of blood. Yeah, and it's more I it's not like iPhone. Yeah, you know, but you know, some people might be confused because like I thought it'd be a phone, you know, there's a phone like oh I robot, right? Yeah, so it's we just thought it was cool way to put in as an eye internally."
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"text": " We have that will be out. Like I said, we're doing a tour around the if you go to the website, the tour will be on there what we're going to do. It's still evolving, still evolving. But we're definitely going to be on VOD in April. So it'll be out in April, probably along with my comedy special. It's called Let's Take It Back. That'll be my comedy special. And then I'll have them both out there. And then who knows where we're going to go from there. But just follow me Carl Remy on on YouTube. I'm getting that going now. Tomorrow."
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