Failed Robbery Took Down Atlanta’s Biggest Arms Dealer

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      "text": " The plan was to get the guns to this other truck that I had and when we got to that truck we're gonna swap everything out and I'm gonna burn this truck up that I just drove through the pawn shop with. My brother he's bugging out so he gets out the car and just takes off running from us like y'all are crazy. We get away we really set that truck on fire burning up and we get into another truck and we drive home."
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      "text": " my brother has gotten picked up by the cops he told everybody but me yep he's been picked up and he told them that two white guys kidnapped him and made him rob a store with them"
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      "text": " So I just knew to watch the cops. I knew what shift they work. I watch your wife go to work. I know what time she come home from work. It's a small town. I just I'm watching. So I know it. You got a six hour window for right here. Like this is this is some funny shit. It has been times that I would know my window was long and I would break in the cop house and cook me some food and shit. I took the guns."
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      "text": " He is a former, I'm going to go with a gun runner and he's got an interesting story. So check out the video. Where were you born? I was born in Augusta, Georgia, 1983. Um, my mom and dad moved to Minishville, Georgia around about when I was, I want to say eight years old, maybe nine."
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      "text": " Yep. So I grew up with one sibling. His name is Chris, Christopher Grable, and we grew up in the same home, same mom, same dad. My dad went out and had a child out of wedlock. He went and had a child out of wedlock, and I had another brother. We grew up in a small town, Minnesville, Georgia. It's probably like 30 minutes south of Atlanta."
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      "text": " 45 minutes south of Atlanta. It's a very, very small town, but it's very urban. It's a lot of blacks. Georgia has a lot of blacks anyway, so I just grew up in a small town, but I did not grow up on the black side of town. I grew up on the side of town with the white kids, because I was fortunate enough to have a mom and a dad and so forth. So as time goes on, my mom and dad"
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      "text": " working a lot of hours. I'm getting a little older so that they're not home as much. So at age like 12 or 13 is when I started really like, let me go outside. Let me see what's going on outside. You know what I'm saying? So that turned out kind of crazy because now that everybody in my neighborhood knows that my mom and dad is never home. So my house is, you know, the hangout house. You know, you got that friend whose house is like go to his house. It's the cool house."
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      "text": " Mom, dad never there. That was kind of like my house. So, um, this is how I get into guns, but I'm gonna give you a quick backstory of just how I get into the situation. So while I'm outside hanging with my friends, I meet this dude and he says that he has a friend that has marijuana. So I'm like, all right, cool. Let's try to smoke some weed today at this time. I'm like 13. So the dude with the marijuana lives in a lives in another neighborhood."
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      "text": " in this same little town. So we go get the weed and we hang out for maybe 30, 40 minutes. And my mind is blown away because mind you, I've been in the country and the suburbs my whole life. And this is my first time going to like a city where it's like real hoods. I haven't never seen this shit before in my era and I'm young. So my mind is blown away dudes outside walking around guns and everybody's smoking weed and girls walking around and you know, it's just, that's just, you see on TV type."
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      "text": " Good environment. So I instantly was attracted to that. So I started going back over there hanging around. It was me, two of my white friends from my neighborhood, and the dude I now met in this other neighborhood. We formed a little group. We started hanging out. Boom. So my first way of getting money was just hushling crack because that's what everybody was doing in his neighborhood that was hushling crack."
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      "text": " so um i'm like how do you do that like give me the game you know i want to make some money so he's like listen it's simple i'm gonna give you five of these for ten dollars a piece they sell for twenty dollars a piece on the block all you gotta do is give me 50 bucks you go outside make you a hundred dollars i'm 13 years old i can't believe this shit i went outside this shit happened it worked i made some money i'm like wow i just made fifty dollars turned to a hundred dollars and i think"
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      "text": " That day right there is the day that like caused me a lot of problems for the rest of my life, like up until a few years back. That day right there, like it was so crazy to me how my mom and dad work hard for their money. They get paid once a week. I can go outside and make 50, turn to a hundred debt quick. Not thinking about the consequence. I'm just a young mind. So times going on and I'm getting just more and more into the street life. So we started breaking in cars."
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      "text": " And that's how my gun journey first started. We started breaking in cars and this is in Georgia in the mid 90s. No cameras, ain't no iPhones, ain't no doorbell cameras, ain't none of that stuff going on in the mid 90s. So we really out here just going crazy. So we finding guns now in the town that I live in, the city of Milledgeville, Georgia. You can Google this Milledgeville, Georgia is one of the worst gang"
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      "text": " So I never forget this man, a couple of years go by and it's just, you know, breaking in cars that turned to breaking their houses. And then we got kind of slick with it. We were like, you know what? A cop lived right there. So we break in the cop house. It's for sure some guns going to be in there. That's a bad idea. Crazy shit. But we're young, but we ain't even 17 yet. And like I said, cameras and all this stuff wasn't really popular back then, especially in Georgia."
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      "text": " very very poverty stricken place except Atlanta Atlanta is the only Atlanta and Savannah maybe the only two cities in Georgia that really has some money and is thriving so anyway start doing that start breaking in cops houses getting their shotgun and their xd handguns and just crazy stuff um so i'm known for that now i'm the gun guy and i'm the guy we do whatever you want i can get it so"
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      "text": " I never forget this, man. I say maybe it's 2000. Now it's the year 2000. I'm probably 18 and this is true story. This is facts. Like, um, we watching set it off the movie, me, my brother, my white friend and his brother. Uh, his name is Ronnie Holder. Shout out Ronnie Holder. Um, he's doing life right now. Yeah. He, um, you know, some people just never leave that life alone, you know,"
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      "text": " so um but he's doing life right now in georgia state prison so we're watching set it off and we just amazed that they really drove a truck through this bank and robbed the bank we like that shit was so cool to us and like i can really say this and i and i want to say this all that shit i was doing back then bro a lot of it had to do with my intake which was rap music and"
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      "text": " These crazy ass movies that were coming out, mental society, boys in the hood. That shit is like bad on a child. You know what I'm saying? So my intake is like, I'm not knowing that these guys is acting and these rappers is acting. I think they're doing this shit for real that they talking about. You feel me? Right. So I'm doing this shit for real. You know what I'm saying? So, um, we watching set it off. We like, that shit is cool. We should just go break in a pawn shop and, um, just get all the guns out the pawn shop. And in Georgia,"
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      "text": " Most of the pawn shops sell guns because you know they got very lenient laws in Georgia with the kind of firearms. So you can get a firearm at any local pawn shop or any corner. They have guns in there. So we're going to break into the pawn shop. We're going to drive a truck through the pawn shop at night. We're going to get all the guns and we're going to pull off, like set it off. That's what we thinking out here. So one night we're in the room just smoking and me, I always been like,"
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      "text": " It's a 4x4 truck up the street at this used car lot."
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      "text": " 2000, they still had the key box to the cars on the windows of the cars. So the car keys are actually on the side of the window of the car in a little box. Yeah, but it's got that little, that little key that pops that the only they got. Yep. So you gotta break, you gotta break into the box once you get it off the window. Exactly. So that night, um, I went, I wanted to do that job because I really didn't want to drive through the pawn shop."
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      "text": " and i made the plan and i knew that if i did this one part was to get the the main truck i got in you feel me so i went in got the uh key box off the truck took it back home with me broke inside of it obviously um and um this car lot that i stole this car from was called juniors auto sale and it had like a wooden fence around it not like metal but it was like"
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      "text": " Old western theme it was like logs On top of logs to make a fence type thing so you can like just pull this shit out the ground basically for real like so That night came. I took the truck. I pulled it loud out the ground. I drove the truck off This truck will have really was like a monster truck almost like it had those big-ass mud tires on it It's the perfect shit that you want to drive through a building with So, uh my brother"
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      "text": " and my two friends, they can't believe they are like, yo, you're fucking crazy. You really got the truck. I'm like, what's up? What are we going to do? We going to do this here to what? So, uh, them, my friend, Ronnie, his brother and my brother, they agreed to get in the truck and go do it. I'm going to meet them after the robbery in another truck up the street. So what happened is this, they go, they try to just ram the door one time. It really didn't work that good."
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      "text": " because they scared to just like give it all they got so by the time they did get into the building the cops was kind of like alerted but they got away with a whole bunch of guns assault rifles pistols glocks nine i didn't even know they made nine millimeter rifles i didn't know they made like all this crazy shit this is back when tech nines were popular and stuff like that and um we took a lot of that stuff and um"
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      "text": " The plan was to get the guns to this other truck that I had. And when we got to that truck, we're going to swap everything out and I'm going to burn this truck up that I just drove through the pawn shop with. It's a great idea, right? My brother's freaking out. He's like, no, bro, y'all going too far. You're going too far. I don't want no parts of that crazy shit. You're going to blow the truck up. Yeah, we got to burn the truck up. My brother, he's bugging out. So he gets out of the car and just takes off running from us like y'all are crazy."
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      "text": " I mean, that's not, that's no worse than already breaking in the pawn shop with the guns. I mean, you're already, you're, you're past the point of no return. We passed the point there with your friends on it. We got to get rid of this truck. It got too many ways to track it, track it back to my brother. This is first time he really never even hangs with me at this point without when I'm in the streets doing what I'm doing. My little brother don't really hang with me, but this one time he like, he want to go. So he jumped out the truck and run. Um,"
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      "text": " What? So, we get away. We really set that truck on fire, burning up, and we get into another truck and we drive home. My brother has gotten picked up by the cops. For what? Walking from a crime scene. Is that illegal? Black walking from a crime scene. But it's a small town. Right. You know, it's a small town. It's a young guy walking the same"
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      "text": " so um it's a true story i'm not gonna say my brother's name on camera but uh they picked my brother up and he told everybody but me i couldn't even just sit like i'm just walking like it was just what are you doing i'm walking they scared him they got him and he's he's a kid man he's yeah just turned 17 i'm 18 he's a year younger than me"
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      "text": " You're going to jail for 10 years. We know you did it. We have surveillance photos. There's what two people saw you get dropped off. We know the crazy part about it all and Billy did it crazy. That place they have no cameras at all at that time. Yeah, I know that but your brother doesn't know, you know, there was a camera on the on the McDonald's across the street. We got another one on the you know, they'll they just lie to you and you just"
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      "text": " I'm in Florida. They sell guns in all the pawn shops. They'll buy pretty much anything that they think they can sell. So it was that kind of set up, but it was also like police friendly. They had like uniforms and vests and tactical shit."
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      "text": " So we get back home and we're not even thinking about my brother at this point. We're trying to put this shit up in safe places. We pick what we want. You get this, you get that. Long story short. So now we sitting back chilling and smoking like, hold on, where the fuck my brother at? So I'm tripping out now. Where my brother at? So my two homeboys with the other truck, they were like, we're finna go find him."
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      "text": " I'm like, man, I ain't getting back in that truck with y'all tonight. That shit is just not going to happen. Like, no, I don't think we should go back out there. They're like, man, it's your brother, man. This might be, it's because we got to go find him. I'm like, y'all go find him, bro. I'm going to cheer right here. Like they leave not knowing that my brother has been picked up and he told him that he told them that I would be two other white guys. So wait a second. Wait a second. Go ahead. Okay. Well, I'm saying, isn't the truck fucked up? How are they? You still driving the truck? It's not damaged."
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      "text": " You remember I said the truck that we drove, we switched out to another truck. Oh, okay. I missed that. Sorry. I missed that. Go ahead. We burned that truck up. Yeah. I thought you hadn't burned the truck yet. Yeah. All you said was your brother got, he got out and got picked up. I didn't, I thought you guys are still driving around the same truck. Sorry. Go ahead. So my brother got out and ran. We just went on with the operation. We had another truck set up somewhere where I was in the other truck."
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      "text": " right. They come back to me like your brother, he powered ass on us. He didn't want no more. So they get back to me and the other truck. My brother's not with us no more. He's walking. Boom. My bad. Now we switched trucks. We leave the truck, that truck in like a wooded area. We set it on fire. We get in this truck, go back to my mom's house."
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      "text": " Okay, because they're looking for the red truck probably you feel me so we go back to my mom's house and when we get there we separate things, split stuff up you know what I'm saying and after we chillin for a little while we're like where the fuck my brother at so they want to go find him um I don't I'm scared as shit still like I just can't believe I just did this crazy ass shit and at this point you hear the sirens you hear the police cars you see the light like"
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      "text": " This shit was like, this is no lie, bro. The worst idea ever. This shit was like a half a mile from my house where we did this at. Right. So I hear you see all the action going towards that way. I'm like, no, no way I'm going to find him right now. So they, they want to go find him. And I guess they also want to go take these guns home that they got out to do. So when they leave, they don't know that my brother's been picked up. Yep. He's been picked up and he told them that two white guys kidnapped him."
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      "text": " and made him rob a store with them. Stupid as **** ever. Okay. I'm sure the cops didn't believe that. They didn't believe that. They didn't believe it. **** no. So, uh that night, nobody came back to me. I'm like, what the **** and I'm too young to like, I'm I'm not about to cut around to the jails and **** I'm just like, I feel like something bad happened but I don't know and we're"
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      "text": " So, I'm proud of that next morning, like nine o'clock, cops come to my house, knock on the door. They try to get me to tell them something. They know for sure. You know something. Everybody left your house last night. We know that. They went and robbed this store. You wasn't with them. We know that, but you got to know what the guns are. You got to know something. You got, I don't know shit about shit. I wasn't with them. I don't know nothing. They pressed me, taped me to the station and tried to scare me up. I ain't break. And luckily,"
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      "text": " My two friends, the two other brothers, they didn't tell on me. But they're mad, and because they called on my phone like, your fucking brother's a rat. I'm like, yo. So I'm still free. They write me a letter and tell me where all the other guns are. I tell you, bro. I ain't never had no shit like that in my life. People to this day who know me for that, like, bro, you one crazy motherfucker. I had so many guns."
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      "text": " So what happened was, um, I started, I was able to selling guns to everybody, everybody who, all the game rival gang members who needed guns. I got it. What about, what about your two, the two guys? Like are they, did they, would they, what happened to them? They're in jail right now. Are you for that? Yeah. Well, not today, but in this story. Okay. At this point, they're still just in jail. Yeah. So they haven't been sentenced. They didn't get bond. No, not yet."
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      "text": " So they're in jail. Both of those guys was on probation. My brother was not on probation, but he had a bond that was ridiculously high and my mom couldn't make it. So he had to sit in jail for a while. So I started moving the guns, I'm selling the guns and I'm just being crazy with it. So that right there started me on like, I want to say like,"
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      "text": " I was branded like I'm the gun guy and that felt good to me that everybody needed me for something like that felt good to me. So, I gotta keep this going. I gotta figure out how to keep this going. So, um what happens is they get sentenced to like five years each plus with Georgia back then Georgia get your sentence like this twenty-three five. Okay. Twenty-three five is is a"
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      "text": " 15 years of probation. Yeah, that's how they treat you in Georgia. That's how I mean if you get in trouble at all, you can go back for the whole thing, right? Yes. Alright. You know what I'm saying? But they have to they're charged. They had to give you 20 years for their charge but you don't have to serve it in prison. You just have to get the number. You see what I'm saying? So, that's twenty-third five. Um my brother end up getting"
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      "text": " He told, you know what I'm saying? I understand. You feel me? I'm not going to say his name on here, but he told. So, he ended up coming home on probation. Now, a few months go by. All the guns I had are gone, but my phone's still ringing. I'm still hungry for money. I got to keep this shit going. So, eventually, at some point, I joined the gang, the Crips."
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      "index": 58,
      "start_time": 1580.026,
      "text": " Specifically police? Specifically police, because they got a lot of shit in there."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1633.882,
      "index": 59,
      "start_time": 1607.483,
      "text": " Because I'm young and dumb, but I haven't been caught yet. Yeah. You got to think about that. Yeah. So you kind of, you still think you're invincible. You still think like, they ain't got to catch me. I'm too smart. I'm too good. Everybody that before you go to jail, you think it can't happen to you. Yeah. Can't happen to me. Those other guys went to jail because they're stupid. Not me. Not me. I'm making other people do it. I'm not going to do it. Yeah. You know? So, uh, yeah. And,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1662.807,
      "index": 60,
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      "text": " Um a lot of the neighborhood cops, they they were mad about that **** too because it's true because like I said back then, it wasn't no doorbell camera. It wasn't no iPhones. It wasn't none of that technology and they have a home system back then. It was probably kind of expensive. So, I just knew to watch the cops. I knew what shift they work. I watch your wife go to work. I know what time she come home from work. It's a small town. I just I'm watching. So, I know it this you got a six hour window for right here."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1690.725,
      "index": 61,
      "start_time": 1663.131,
      "text": " It has been times that I would know my window was long and I would break in the cop house and cook me some food and shit. This is real tough. Listen, that's what makes them hate you. That's the kind of shit that makes them hate you. I'm not proud of this shit. You know what I'm saying? I've been shaming, but this is the story that is crazy. So, man,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1720.23,
      "index": 62,
      "start_time": 1691.015,
      "text": " I'm doing that and I got a lot of, lot of stripes in this game because I was the guy that could get the weapons and stuff. It all started to fall down towards 2006-07. At this point, I gotta back up, I gotta back up a little bit. I end up catching a case, but not for guns."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1750.503,
      "index": 63,
      "start_time": 1720.725,
      "text": " It was for drugs. I caught a drug possession case. I ended up going to jail. I served a couple of years from 2000 to 2000, no, from 2004 to 2006. I came home 2006 and that's when I tried to do that stupid shit again. And that's now as my space is out now. You know what I'm saying? Camera phones are out now. I just got out of jail and I'm like, yo, this is crazy. So I'm back on my bullshit."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1778.677,
      "index": 64,
      "start_time": 1750.964,
      "text": " I'm breaking in houses, I'm stealing police guns, and I run across these two Mach 11s. And they had the shoulder sling going on, it was brand new, with the muzzle, the cooling system, it was like the coolest shit ever, and that was for the cop. And I took the guns, and I went crazy with my camera phone. The same stupid, these guys. On MySpace? On MySpace."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1807.654,
      "index": 65,
      "start_time": 1779.94,
      "text": " I was the first guy to go viral and go to jail. I knew a guy that I knew a guy that robbed the bank. Listen, I knew a guy that robbed the bank laid on put the money all around him and took pictures and put it on Facebook and the bands were still on the it's like the places just got robbed like like people he knew it went crazy. People called the bank and said or people called the cops and said didn't a bank get robbed like yesterday."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1827.551,
      "index": 66,
      "start_time": 1808.814,
      "text": " Hey, you need to look at this. Boom, we've arrested them. They had them arrested within a day or two. Yo, that's crazy. You just don't think they're going to put it together that fast. You don't. You don't. And another thing is this. People, the way my stuff went viral is because like,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1854.258,
      "index": 67,
      "start_time": 1828.353,
      "text": " I don't know. I just felt like it was, it was a certain group of people that wanted me to go to jail because they felt like I was dangerous, bro. I was providing guns to people who were really killers. You know what I'm saying? And like a lot of people, a lot of older people didn't like me for that because they, because they heard about me. Like that's that guy who getting all these guns and you know what I'm saying? So I got two Mac 11. Oh, and the crazy part about these two Mac 11s, I had 20 clips."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1883.746,
      "index": 68,
      "start_time": 1855.026,
      "text": " This cop had two Mac 11's and 20 clips loaded in his closet, in his house. I get, but this gun wasn't a fully automatic gun, so it was illegal. It was a semi-automatic gun, but it was a Mac 11 for sure. And long story short, I put it on Myspace. I sent the pictures out and it wasn't even two days. The cops came and got me. It wasn't even two days later. It wasn't even the cops. I'm sorry. My probation officer. Oh."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1912.159,
      "index": 69,
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      "text": " You remember of your MySpace? My probation officer. No, I don't I don't I don't know if you got it from MySpace but he just got the word and in Georgia, I don't know about Florida but they don't need a warrant if you're on probation. They come right in your house. So, they brought him to make it stick. Kind of like. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Let the PO search the house. We can't go wrong here. You feel me? Yeah. So. Yeah, the PO could give"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1938.831,
      "index": 70,
      "start_time": 1912.961,
      "text": " My PO called me, he said, hey, I'm about to do a field check. You know, just come outside and wave your hand. You still live there. That's some normal shit what he does, a field check. He pull up, say, hey, how you doing? He leave. He tricked me. All right, y'all come on for the field check. He pull up and he started talking to me and he never came with another guy in the car. Who's that in the car? It's my chief. He's the chief of probation. They're saying, you know,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1965.435,
      "index": 71,
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      "text": " police carpools and sheriff carpools and detective pools and I'm like, what the **** He like, yeah, man, you're going to jail. Like, uh we've been told you got guns in your house. About to go search it. So, uh I'm just locking you up right now for probation violation. Put your hands behind your back. Put me in the car for probation violation. Shoot me away. Um they find the guns. They found some drugs. I'm on state"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 1990.435,
      "index": 72,
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      "text": " My parole officer comes to the county jail, maybe after me being locked up for a month, and he says, sign this waiver saying that you're guilty, and you can just go do six months in prison, and I'll kill your probation. And then when you get done with that, you'll have to face your new charges. But you can just give me six months, and I'll terminate your parole."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2019.309,
      "index": 73,
      "start_time": 1991.305,
      "text": " Cause the other two years I did, I only did like 18 months and I had four months on parole when I came home. So, um, I caught a new charge. I go do six months. He killed my parole. Boom. I gave back to the county jail. I'm happy. I'm like, yes, I'm about to make bail. I'm about to fight this case with all I got. Cause there wasn't my apartment. It wasn't my house. All these shifts in my head. I thought I'm about to beat this shit. So, uh, when I get back to the county jail after doing my six months, the judge keeps denying my bond hearing. He's like, no, not today."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2047.125,
      "index": 74,
      "start_time": 2020.179,
      "text": " I don't know who that is. I'm like, the U.S. Marshals?"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2077.261,
      "index": 75,
      "start_time": 2047.449,
      "text": " I don't think I don't know that's the federal government. I'm not putting it together right now in my head like the US marshals want to see me. How old are you at this point? At this time? Twenty-five. Okay. Yup. I did a bid, came home, and now I'm twenty-five at this point. So, um maybe that's after I heard the US marshals wanted to see me, maybe two nights later, I get a visit. They say, Ramirez, visit is nighttime. I'm like, who the **** is it? We don't even have visits at nighttime. I go into this little"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2100.913,
      "index": 76,
      "start_time": 2077.756,
      "text": " And so maybe middle age white lady in there, she's like, Hi, I'm from the Federal Bureau of Investigations. Are you Ramirez? From the FBI or the ATF? FBI. The ATF had my case, but she was just like a representative to tell me what was going on, that I would be moved to another federal jail."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2128.951,
      "index": 77,
      "start_time": 2101.425,
      "text": " This county jail is a small county jail. They don't hold federal inmates. So she was just somebody that I never saw her again. She just came to tell me that they picked my case up and I was going to be in federal custody and I'd be leaving this place soon. So I'm sick now. I'm sick. I'm like the feds want me for it. I'm like, yo. And most of my homeboys that get fed can't do 10, 15, 20 years. So I'm in here. I'm going through it."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2159.036,
      "index": 78,
      "start_time": 2129.445,
      "text": " I'm thinking I'm going home on a bond, and now I'm going to a whole nother facility. So that very next night, due a day, they took me to a federal jail in Jones County, Georgia. I went in front of a judge, and he gave me a bond. How much? He gave me $2,500 cash, cash bail, and he said only because"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2180.196,
      "index": 79,
      "start_time": 2159.309,
      "text": " Because I found some marijuana and they found the two MAC-11s. The DA told me that we're going to drop the marijuana and you can just plead guilty to the MAC-11s and we'll give you a bond and we'll work a deal with you when you go to court. But he said here's the catch to it. If you plead out to the marijuana, you can get the drug program"
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    {
      "end_time": 2236.442,
      "index": 81,
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      "text": " I go to the courthouse. It was one of those meetings. Look, man, you only got these guns and you know,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2267.398,
      "index": 82,
      "start_time": 2237.466,
      "text": " This dude in your neighborhood sells drugs and this dude in your neighborhood does this and who's your gang leader and all this old crap. I wasn't talking to him. And so the dude was like, you know, if you ever want to help yourself out, man, you probably go do it probably about 10 years. If you talk to us, we might get it down to about two. So he give me his card. Now, I would be a lie if I said I didn't think about it. It didn't. I would be lying to you because I'm free. My kid at this time, I got a small, small child."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2296.903,
      "index": 83,
      "start_time": 2267.773,
      "text": " And I'm like, so it's in my mind, but I know that whatever time I'm about to do is not going to be forever. And I feel like I want to still be an entertainer. I still want to do music. And I just didn't want to have a bad name for where I'm from. You know, if you can get killed and I'm a gang member, you feel me? Everybody go to federal prison. So, you know what I'm saying? So I just chose to do my time. So I ended up taking"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2327.807,
      "index": 84,
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      "text": " 70 months but my guideline was 70 to like 100 months or something like 70 to 100 months was my guideline and I went in front of the worst judge bro and I really thought he give everybody the high end he gives everybody the high the high number like when I got my judge the whole jail like yeah you're done he's gonna he's gonna give you 100 months which is almost 10 years what saved me was my dad"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2356.425,
      "index": 85,
      "start_time": 2328.456,
      "text": " The same guy I told you that raised me, he worked for the Department of Corrections, but on a state level. And he showed up to my court sentencing and he was like, you know, I worked for the Department of Corrections and I don't agree with my son and I hate criminals. This little speech in the judge gave me 70 months, bro. And the only reason I wasn't an armed career criminal because my drug charge before that,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2382.039,
      "index": 86,
      "start_time": 2356.852,
      "text": " wasn't intent to deliver. It was just a possession. So they couldn't give me an all career criminal. It was only a 922 G. But I mean, I got so much time because I was category six though, because I got out, I was going to say, because you, you, you got to get five years, no matter what you had to get five years. So you put your criminal cat, your, your, um, your criminal history was already pretty high."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2408.695,
      "index": 87,
      "start_time": 2382.415,
      "text": " That's why you end up with the 70 months instead of the 60. But some people get 922 G's and don't get five years though. But they beat most of the people with no record in first offense. You're caught with like a little handgun. Yeah, you know, they'll get three years. If I had a gun, I'm getting three years. But if I had a drug charge or I was caught with a gun and drugs, I'm getting five. Right. You already had a drug charge."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2433.456,
      "index": 88,
      "start_time": 2410.213,
      "text": " So you weren't getting less than 60 months unless you cooperate. Exactly. So my guideline was 70 to 87 months. That was with the two point reduction for playing out. Before that it was some higher shit. So yeah, so actually what happened, I ended up doing that time and I came home from federal prison in 2014."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2462.517,
      "index": 89,
      "start_time": 2433.865,
      "text": " and I didn't go back to Georgia. I still go back and visit like every year. I go back home and I do shows. I do music and stuff like that and um what I always wanted to do and I didn't want their name a snitch on me. You feel what I'm saying? So now I'm back home. I got my music going people like people in my city play my music. They come to my shows and stuff so I'm I feel good about that but uh I moved to Pennsylvania and I just walked away from game from game. I walked away from all of it. Huh? Why Pennsylvania?"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2492.005,
      "index": 90,
      "start_time": 2462.756,
      "text": " So while I was doing my federal time, my mom and dad got a final divorce. And my mom is originally from here. So when my dad divorced, she moved here. But my brothers, my dad, my kids, everybody is still in Georgia. I just knew that if I came home around those same people in that same area, the chances of me doing something different in my life is going to be slim. Only because when you grow up somewhere and you stay there,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2520.913,
      "index": 91,
      "start_time": 2492.961,
      "text": " It forces you to be around certain people. You can't escape it. They know where you at. They know where you live. They're going to come to your house, and they're going to come to your job. You just got to leave sometime. Far away, they can't come. I came to Pennsylvania. I did good for two years. That was 2014. It's 2023 now, so I've been here a long time. I did good for two years, and I went through a struggle."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2550.299,
      "index": 92,
      "start_time": 2521.715,
      "text": " I ended up starting a cleaning business when I first got out of the feds. I did a cleaning business and it did well. Me and this girl I met, we started a cleaning business, it did well. And then me and her broke up and she hit me for everything because it was in her name because I'm on federal probation. We got bank contracts, all this stuff, so it's in her name. We broke up, she took everything. I'm back to square one. What do my stupid ass do? Let me sell some drugs in Pennsylvania."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2573.882,
      "index": 93,
      "start_time": 2551.954,
      "text": " Right. Let me sell some drugs in Pennsylvania. I tried that for about eight months. It's all it took. A dude I was dealing with set up a controlled buy and here I go with a federal violation. Federal violation controlled buy. How did that go? What were you selling?"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2600.23,
      "index": 94,
      "start_time": 2574.48,
      "text": " Cocaine. Cocaine. Yup. I saw this dude at 8 Ball and he had got caught a day or two before. He told this cop this big story that this guy from Georgia is bringing out his drugs up here to Pennsylvania, like put all this sauce on it. And they set up a controlled buy. But the plan was to make three buys on me and then come into my house and get the stash."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2627.534,
      "index": 95,
      "start_time": 2600.708,
      "text": " So, but after the first body they got from me, I ended up going to rehab. And let me just give you this last little story about how that happened. So I'm selling the drugs. I'm going through it. My girlfriend left me. I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm going back to what I started in the beginning. I'm selling drugs. So I ended up catching the case. Boom. Well, sorry. I ended up selling to a dude that's cooperating. But when I sell him the drugs,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2654.667,
      "index": 96,
      "start_time": 2627.858,
      "text": " I also go piss dirty for my probation officer. I'm pissing dirty for cocaine because I'm dealing with this shit. I'm putting it in my hands and it gets in your pores. So my PO like, look, you need to go to rehab or I'm going to have to tell the judge to violate you. You keep on having cocaine in your system. And I'm like, bro, I don't get high. He's like, you got to go to rehab or go back to jail. So after they get the one buy for me, I go to rehab."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2684.275,
      "index": 97,
      "start_time": 2655.009,
      "text": " You didn't explain to him, I'm not getting high. I'm just dealing. That wasn't, no, that wasn't, that wasn't the way you went. So yeah, uh, probation officer, I just sell drugs, sir. I don't do this shit. No way. So, uh, it was crazy, man. This is a good, but this is a great story right here to end the week on how that worked out for him. So I go to rehab. I don't know how I have was controlled by over my head. So I go to rehab."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2707.022,
      "index": 98,
      "start_time": 2684.804,
      "text": " and I get"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2737.039,
      "index": 99,
      "start_time": 2707.585,
      "text": " I'm like, nah, I just got out of rehab two days ago and my probation officer knew I was in rehab the whole time. He didn't mention anything about no warrants. I got the wrong guy. So he like, I believe you, because this is a weird type of warrant to have a money. He was like, I'm going to call the station and see if they want me to bring you in. So he calls them and they're like, yeah, we want him, bring him in. And I get there and they're like, it's not money laundering. You have a controlled by of a narcotic."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2754.036,
      "index": 100,
      "start_time": 2737.5,
      "text": " I called my probation officer and I said please lift my detainer and let me make bail."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2783.319,
      "index": 101,
      "start_time": 2754.377,
      "text": " So I can fight this case from the street. I need a fair chance at beating this. I'm innocent. I just want to get me a lawyer. I can't fight it from behind these walls. I don't have enough money. He was like, no, I'm not. I'm not dealing with you. You are sold drugs on probation. You stand in jail and you fight from jail. So this is what happened. I'm doing time in Montgomery County facility in Pennsylvania and I get a celly and he's been to the feds before and I tell him the same story I'm telling you about"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2812.483,
      "index": 102,
      "start_time": 2783.66,
      "text": " I don't think for one chance in hell this is going to work, but I'm in jail it's a long shot."
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    {
      "end_time": 2841.749,
      "index": 103,
      "start_time": 2813.404,
      "text": " I'm on the phone with my girl, maybe two weeks later. They do mail call. I get the mail and I'm looking at it and it's like court papers. But I'm thinking it's for the drug case because it's a state case. So my girl, I read the papers. I'm like, it's just court shit. I ain't reading that shit. I want to talk on the phone for my 15 minutes. I don't got but one phone call. I'm not going to read my mail on the phone with you. She was like, let's read it. And I looked at it. I'm like, oh shit, it's from the feds."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2871.203,
      "index": 104,
      "start_time": 2842.346,
      "text": " And I read it and the judge said, I grant you the motion for bail. So I went down to the federal jail for a bond hearing and he let me go. Nice. He said, I got your letter and he said, I see where the PO told you to go to rehab. He told you to get a job and you complied and you didn't give him no hassles about it. You went into rehab, you got a job, you complied. So I'm gonna keep you from the doubt. I'm gonna let you bond out and fight your case from the street."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2895.009,
      "index": 105,
      "start_time": 2871.988,
      "text": " So I bailed out, and this shit was unbelievable. They gave me an ankle monitor, but I can't lie. I'm stressing. I'm stressing because I'm guilty, and I don't know how I'm going to beat this shit. I don't know what they got on me. So end of the day, I'm about to go to trial is what I'm telling the courts. I'm about to go to trial. Fuck it. That's a mistake."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2924.48,
      "index": 106,
      "start_time": 2896.254,
      "text": " What the federal government is telling me is if you violate for this type of violation, if you get found guilty, that's three years with us. Plus whatever they give you for this charge in Pennsylvania State. Oh, damn. Okay. That's going to give me three years for that violation because I had three years on probation. Federal probation. They can't. That's about time. Yeah. So that was going to revoke. Oh, give me all of that. Even though I only had six months left on it, that's going to give me the whole three. If I plead guilty to"
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    {
      "end_time": 2950.981,
      "index": 107,
      "start_time": 2925.145,
      "text": " So I told the courts, I'm going to trial. And I'm really trying to pump fake them so they can give me a real low deal. I'm telling myself like, I'll take a one to three up and then go do three for the feds. But I'm really stressed the fuck out, man. So I'm telling these people, I'm going to trial. I'm going to trial. And what happened was the feds got tired of me waiting to go to trial."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 2979.155,
      "index": 108,
      "start_time": 2951.561,
      "text": " And at this time, I'm smoking hella weed, I'm drinking hella beer, and I'm pissing dirty for my PO while on a leg monitor, while waiting to go to trial. And he's like, Grable, why are you getting high, bro? And I'm like, listen, man, have you ever been facing five years in jail? Have you ever been facing that much time? And you know what I'm saying? I bought like this is some stressful shit. That's why I'm getting high. So he was like, man, you got to get out the streets. So what happened was,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3008.558,
      "index": 109,
      "start_time": 2979.974,
      "text": " The fans got tired of waiting on me to go to trial, and they gave me an offer I couldn't refuse. One day, my lawyer called me and said, hey, the DA got a deal for you. He said, because you're on leg of monitoring, and you're doing drugs, and you're stressed out. He said, go get him a year and a day before you go to trial, before you do anything. Give him a year and a day, and they'll let you out for federal probation. You only got six months left on it. If you go to court and get found guilty, they'll give you three years."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3039.241,
      "index": 110,
      "start_time": 3009.36,
      "text": " Take a year in the day right now and we're done with you because you're hard to supervise. We don't want no more business with you. Take this year in the day. And I thought about it for 20 minutes and I said, I'll take it. You feel me? Because now I can go rumble this case and you know, I could parole out of Pennsylvania or something. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't want to deal with the feds for three years and that case. So I signed the waiver and I went to Hazleton FCI 2018 where they killed Waddy Bordred. I was there."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3066.852,
      "index": 111,
      "start_time": 3039.855,
      "text": " Oh, okay. Yeah. Um he came, got off the bus one night, the whole compound couldn't believe it. Why the boy just here? The next morning he was dead. He didn't make it. I didn't know what happened that. I didn't know. I didn't realize it was okay. He didn't make it to breakfast. When they went and checked his cell again, he was dead with his tongue cut out of his mouth. They locked us down for three days in our cell and after that life went on."
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      "text": " And you were in the same facility or I mean in the same prison. Yeah. I mean, was it that wasn't he in like a pen? Yeah. So Hazelton FCI is a complex. Okay. They got a low medium camp in the pen and you were in the pen. I was in the medium. Okay. He was in the pen. He was in the pen. Okay. Okay. But you know, this is so, this is such big news and the compound knew it. He was coming. And in my mind, I'm saying"
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      "end_time": 3127.142,
      "index": 113,
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      "text": " He's not going to walk in population because he's told on people, he cooperated. Right. So in my mind, like you're not going to come on the yard of a pen and just walk around and like, no, I don't think he's going to do that. So, but he does. And you know, like I know in the federal jail to ask you, have you ever told on somebody, did you feel safe walking around here? Do you want to be in population? You say, yes, they put you in population. So when I said he came to population, I was like, what the fuck?"
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      "end_time": 3152.807,
      "index": 114,
      "start_time": 3127.858,
      "text": " And he didn't make it a day. That's crazy. They should have put him in the medium or the low. He was an old man. I kind of feel like it was suicide. Like he wanted him almost like he had to know, right? Oh, yeah. Listen, but he went to trial and the whole time during the trial, the whole trial was basically about him trying to prove that he didn't cooperate."
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    {
      "end_time": 3174.104,
      "index": 115,
      "start_time": 3153.746,
      "text": " You understand, he never said he cooperated. He went to trial so that he was like, prove that I cooperated. Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, he was saying that the FBI made it sound like he cooperated, but he never really cooperated. But it didn't matter. By that point, everybody already believes that. You know what I'm saying? If somebody says you're a rat,"
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    {
      "end_time": 3197.756,
      "index": 116,
      "start_time": 3174.445,
      "text": " Even though there's no proof and other people start saying it, it's almost impossible for you to prove that that's not true. So now you're going to be fighting for the next fucking few years of your sentence, even though you're like, I didn't say anything, but some asshole said it. Everybody else spread the rumor and it's just impossible to get it off of you. That's one of the hardest jackets to get off your name. If somebody calls you a snitch or a rat, it's like you got to really go"
    },
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      "index": 117,
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      "text": " Yeah, there's a documentary on it where his lawyers are interviewed and they're saying they think that Connolly the FBI agent they think Connolly made it look like he was cooperating to protect him because he's paying him like he's paying him to keep to give him information and Connolly is is"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3253.302,
      "index": 118,
      "start_time": 3228.148,
      "text": " getting the information by saying bulger is cooperating but most of the cooperation he connelly was taking from other people who were giving information and saying it came from bulger okay bulger always insisted that he never cooperated like he knew he was going to prison forever they were saying look we'll just give you like 30 years and you say no i want to go to trial because i want to prove at trial that i did not"
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    {
      "end_time": 3279.872,
      "index": 119,
      "start_time": 3253.677,
      "text": " Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate. Co-operate."
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    {
      "end_time": 3305.35,
      "index": 120,
      "start_time": 3280.913,
      "text": " But anyway, but I hear you. So they killed them that day. They lock everybody down and the whole facility locked them down for three days. Um we didn't at first we didn't know why but we like everybody knew why the abortion came there because you know the guards and stuff. You know, why do you just came to the pen? Yeah. Oh, oh wow. That's crazy. And then the next morning we didn't come out for breakfast. We locked and we don't we're on lockdown but six o'clock news. Come on."
    },
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      "end_time": 3330.486,
      "index": 121,
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      "text": " I can't tell no grown person what to do because people have kids and family members. If you want to get back home to your family, I kind of understand. It's just something that I'm not willing to do because just by me going to prison, I know that a lot of people don't live comfortably once you decide to do that."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3358.183,
      "index": 122,
      "start_time": 3330.947,
      "text": " A lot of people don't. Some people do. A lot of people don't. A lot of people have to be in the cell by themselves the whole time. They in prison because of that. So, I just chose not to. But I don't judge people, you know? Um so, what happened? So, you got out. So, after that last time, I went to um the violation and I and all that stuff happened. By this, by this time, I'm"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3386.715,
      "index": 123,
      "start_time": 3358.575,
      "text": " And I'm looking around at all these guys who was 21, 22, and I just feel out of place. Like I can't keep doing this shit. I'm about to be 40 years old and this shit just got to stop. So the last time I got out, I buckled down. I learned how to do technology. I got me a couple of YouTube channels. I monetized my Instagram. Like I say, I do music. I got a recording studio that I work at. I edit content for people. And I just decided to just, I left all that shit alone, man."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3415.486,
      "index": 124,
      "start_time": 3387.073,
      "text": " People that know me from back then don't even, can't believe me right now. Like how I am now, they be like, I can't believe you. Like I thought you was going to really be dead in jail forever. Like I was dead crazy. What's your YouTube channel? It's uh, BMG Capo Official. Oh, okay. It's uh, yep. That's why I got it right there. You should put it at YouTube. On YouTube, uh, Instagram is all the same. BMG Capo Official."
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    {
      "end_time": 3438.865,
      "index": 125,
      "start_time": 3415.845,
      "text": " I don't know"
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    {
      "end_time": 3463.899,
      "index": 126,
      "start_time": 3439.241,
      "text": " It's a he's like he's against gang members and he like I hate our gang members. Oh, I know that I love the the black guy. He's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's great. We interviewed him. He's great. He was on Vlad. Yeah. Yeah. He's hardcore. So, my other channel Tt Ttom TV is my other channel and we"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3490.896,
      "index": 127,
      "start_time": 3464.258,
      "text": " It did well. I say it did like over 300,000 views on several clips. So it's over a million views. I did an hour interview with him. We made it like four different clips and it did good, man. It's funny as hell. But, you know, I had a bunch of questions for him because he was like, I don't like rappers and gang members. So, you know, I was like, so, but yeah, so I just do content now, man. I came across your channel because I like to see people's stories and people had been through what I've been through."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3514.821,
      "index": 128,
      "start_time": 3491.271,
      "text": " I do have a TikTok, but I'm just not big on it. I'm big on Instagram. So yeah, so TikTok, like I had a guy in Canada start my TikTok, right? He"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3544.582,
      "index": 129,
      "start_time": 3515.316,
      "text": " I had one before this this young kid was running for me and he just didn't seem to understand that like you certain things you just can't say and he just put up the clips and then and then suddenly boom they just they took the whole tick tock you know they they gave multiple warnings so then I edited cursing out and all that stuff yeah oh yeah you can't talk about guns you can't talk about like it's all kinds kinds of stuff right so well I mean you can you can't it depends but anyway so then"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3570.469,
      "index": 130,
      "start_time": 3545.111,
      "text": " I didn't even fuck with it for a while. Then this guy from Canada said, hey, can I run a TikTok channel for you? And I'll direct all the traffic to, you know, your YouTube channel. He just offered his services to you. Just offered. And, you know, this is the problem. I've had people do that before. And here, you know, what happens is most of the time they just fall off. They said they're going to do it in two weeks later. They're like, ah, it's too much work."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3595.111,
      "index": 131,
      "start_time": 3570.759,
      "text": " Right, right. I get it. They're not being jerks. Their intention is... They just don't know what it takes to run people's stuff. It takes work. Right. And I can't pay you. I'm like, look, I'm not paying somebody $450 a month to run a TikTok. I'm just not doing it. So it reminds me of all your buddies in prison that left."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3624.906,
      "index": 132,
      "start_time": 3595.691,
      "text": " That said, man, I'm going to put money on your books. I'm going to come. I'm going to I'm going to write you letters. I'm going to and then you get the one phone call and you get you might get 20 bucks one day might maybe maybe then they don't answer your phone on the phone anymore, right and all the stuff they were going to do. They don't do none of it none of it, but at the time they meant it like I always like to think that you know, listen like I you know, you know those guys it's like look I get it and I get what you're saying, but"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3655.145,
      "index": 133,
      "start_time": 3625.213,
      "text": " You'll get out there. Life will take over. Yeah, you got two two kids. You got a girlfriend. You got your mom needs you help you got and next thing is no, you know, it's like do I really need to be busting my ass working and sending this **** guy in prison money, you know every month like I got bigger like II got two kids man, right? So so I get it until people reach out and they try and help and and they just they don't realize what it takes and they make these huge offers and every time I've taken up people up on it, they fall short."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3682.944,
      "index": 134,
      "start_time": 3655.333,
      "text": " Well anyway, this guy in Canada, when I talked to him, he actually like pled his case. Like he was like, look, I'm, I'm in real estate. You know, I do okay, but it's dropped off dramatically. He said, I'd like to ultimately do something in social media. And I think that I could take your content and run a channel and I'd really like to do it just to see how it goes. And I was like,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3714.48,
      "index": 135,
      "start_time": 3685.128,
      "text": " Okay, like you're not sitting there lying to me, you know, and telling me, Oh, I'm going to this and that. And anyway, and he's like, look, I'll do it for six months. And in six months, if you want to pay me great, if not, I'll just hand it over to you. So I was like, okay, he did it for about four months. Took it from started the channel actually started two channels. One of the channels never did great. It ended up with 10,000 followers. The other one, he brought it all the way up to about 104,000, 103, 104,000. We're talking about in three months."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3741.886,
      "index": 136,
      "start_time": 3714.821,
      "text": " Wow, three or four, three to four months. Then he real estate picked up in Canada. He started working more. He didn't post anything for like two weeks and I contacted him. I said, bro, what's going on? He goes, man, I'm so sorry. Work is picked up. He said, I said, was it a matter of me? You know, do you need me money? Like he's like, no, even if you gave me money, I just don't have the time to do it. Like even if you paid me, I, I still have to work this many hours to keep my job. And, and he said, let me just hand it back to you. So I,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3765.896,
      "index": 137,
      "start_time": 3742.09,
      "text": " He handed it over to me, took us another month. So I didn't post anything for over probably four to six weeks. We hired a guy, we started posting, but I can tell you right now, right? So by the way, we've been posting for two weeks. The first time we re you know, and listen, but let me tell you that tick tock. Some of those videos have 6 million views."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3796.254,
      "index": 138,
      "start_time": 3766.254,
      "text": " two million views, four million views. It's huge. Like that thing went to a hundred thousand followers and I could tell when he would post a TikTok that did well, you could literally see my fucking, you could see my, my subscribers on my YouTube channel just spike for like a week. And then the moment it slowed down, it started dropping. Oh, direct correlation, bro. Here's the thing. When he stopped for the six weeks, so we started posting the new videos we were posting, we're getting 2000 views."
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    {
      "end_time": 3826.084,
      "index": 139,
      "start_time": 3797.244,
      "text": " 3,500 views, you know, 2,200 views for two weeks, two days ago, because we posted for two, two days ago, the last video, 150,000 views, 160,000 views. So I don't know what happened. I think it's almost like the algorithm says, okay, he's serious again. Right, right. Start pushing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm saying if you do do it, you know, it's, you know, it's worth it. It took him"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3852.995,
      "index": 140,
      "start_time": 3826.357,
      "text": " After it took about a month before it took off, but when it did man coming away with nuts And everybody is telling me this you got to go and take talks leave Instagram alone for right now Like don't spend so much time on because I spent a lot of time on Instagram and they just took the reals away The money for reals you can't buy money Instagram monetize. So everybody's saying bro go to take time to boost your YouTube So I'm gonna have to go there man. Um, but like how does he edit the content? Like does he uh,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3879.428,
      "index": 141,
      "start_time": 3853.592,
      "text": " Hi, I'm here to pick up my son Milo. There's no Milo here. Who picked up my son from school? I'm gonna need the name of everyone that could have a connection. You don't understand. It was just the five of us."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3909.445,
      "index": 142,
      "start_time": 3879.991,
      "text": " I will do whatever it takes to get my son back. I honestly didn't see this coming. These nice people killing each other. All Her Fault, a new series streaming now only on Peacock. Shorts and Instagram. But you know, what are shorts going to get? You know, 2,500 views, 6,000 views, maybe. Most of them are 2 or 3,000. Instagram, if it does really well, maybe it gets 50,000, 30,000. That's not"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3935.64,
      "index": 143,
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      "text": " That's nothing compared to TikTok. The reason I took YouTube seriously again, because I was just on Instagram and I was just running to my other page with the interviews, because we actually made a couple of thousand dollars a month on it with Trust, the dude I interviewed. That page I interviewed different people who was in the hip hop industry, but not rappers though, but like who got the stories, but we made a decent money on that page."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3960.64,
      "index": 144,
      "start_time": 3936.357,
      "text": " This BMG Capital official page, I had 300 subscribers, 300 in December last year. I posted, first I was watching a podcast and somebody said, hey, you want to grow your YouTube channel, use shorts. Shorts is the best way to get to a lot of traffic and quick. So the first short I made, I thought I watched that, it went viral."
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      "end_time": 3983.114,
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      "start_time": 3962.09,
      "text": " I don't have nothing like that."
    },
    {
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      "text": " I just covered a story of these rappers and I just put the pictures of them from different places and I put the story together. Like you said, in one minute with a hook, you know, this is Gucci, man. This is what he did. He's finna go do this. And I did that twice and it went viral. And those two clips got my channel from 300 to like 2800 subscribers. Those two clips. So I know the power of it, especially like TikTok is bigger too."
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    {
      "end_time": 4036.527,
      "index": 147,
      "start_time": 4012.176,
      "text": " Yeah, but you could you could tell your story, you know, the only problem with the way you tell your story is like, you know, and I kept waiting for you to do this and I should have slowed you down like I'm a horrible interview, bro. I'm not a great interviewer. Like Danny with concrete or somebody they would have done a better job because"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4063.097,
      "index": 148,
      "start_time": 4037.244,
      "text": " You know, I'm kind of like this listening to this story and I need to kind of try and slow you down. Like I should have, I should have asked you like, like now I'm thinking I should have said like, well, how did you know it was a cop's house? How long did you watch it? Weren't you scared? Were you, you know, I like, I didn't do that and I really should, I'm, I gotta get better at this. But like, if you slowly told your story in little 30 minute clips,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4092.568,
      "index": 149,
      "start_time": 4063.66,
      "text": " and maybe you fill it up and I mean slowly like talk about I hit this house and then this one and then that's it that's all clip spread it out over 20 30 minutes post it you did that for 10 till you get all the way to where you are let's say 10 10 short videos then you started just interview other guys other hip-hop guys and their story and just put it doesn't even matter if it's really a shitty video what's most important is the sound quality"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4120.077,
      "index": 150,
      "start_time": 4093.268,
      "text": " because people will watch shitty video with good sound quality, but they will not watch great videos, great, great video quality with shitty audio. They won't do it. So it doesn't matter if your, if your camera's messed up and, and, and it's not high quality and it's cockeyed, that doesn't matter. What matters is get decent sound quality and just interview other hip hop guys that are like starting out and"
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    {
      "end_time": 4149.206,
      "index": 151,
      "start_time": 4120.708,
      "text": " Post it on YouTube and make little shorts about it and put it on, on, on TikTok. TikTok will drive the traffic. And then once you get to 10,000 followers, you can put a link and then they just hit the link and it brings them straight to your YouTube. Oh, cool. Cause trust me, once he put that link on there that, and I have a link tree cause it'll, it'll, you know, you go to link tree and then you can either go to YouTube, you go to here. But regardless, once you do that, man, you come telling you right now, you can see it."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4172.056,
      "index": 152,
      "start_time": 4149.616,
      "text": " And every once in a while, you're going to get some clip of some guy that's blowing up and you can use their music. They'll do it because you can say, man, I want to tell the clip with your music in the background. These guys will line up to do that. Yeah, for sure. For sure. You can do it from your house just like this with StreamYard. That's cool. Yeah, I got to get a StreamYard. I like StreamYard."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4202.466,
      "index": 153,
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      "text": " I think it's like 30 bucks. It's nothing. It's like 20 or 30 bucks a month or something. It's okay. Cool. Cool. It's totally worth it. You're on your way to getting your plaque, man. You two gonna send you a plaque soon, man. You get a hundred thousand. I'm telling you, I'm shadow band. Thanks shadow band. I'm shy. I think I'm shadow band. Like everybody says, man, why isn't like it's been two years. You should have a hundred thousand, 200,000. Your videos should get, and they're just not, I don't know why. I mean, I don't know, but I mean, I'm, I'm like, here's the thing."
    },
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      "end_time": 4231.698,
      "index": 154,
      "start_time": 4202.858,
      "text": " I don't care if it takes another two years. Like I like doing it. It's just now at the point where it's paying my bills. Pretty much not great. Like I have to do other stuff, but a few more months, six months from now, it'll pay all my bills. When that happens, I'll double down and I won't be doing three interviews a week. I'll be doing four and five and then it'll blow up. There you go. I have time like, you know, like it's the fact that I'm doing this."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4258.336,
      "index": 155,
      "start_time": 4232.176,
      "text": " And they're paying me money. Yeah. Ridiculous. Yeah. You know, laying on your in your bunk in prison, you're like, how am I going to make a living? Right. Right. No. But how am I even going to get by? So the idea that I'm living in a nice house, I have a new car. I actually have a new house like this house was built a couple of years ago. Make money too."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4282.568,
      "index": 156,
      "start_time": 4258.899,
      "text": " Does it take time to make money? I never monetized it because the guy in Canada told me don't monetize it. He said it could have been his opinion. Well, it might have been his opinion. I don't know. They're going to try to stop it from making money. They're not going to let it get big. What did he say? He said they won't push your content as much or they'll slow it down. I believe that."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4307.756,
      "index": 157,
      "start_time": 4282.927,
      "text": " Believe they could get look on YouTube. I make reels. I mean I'm sure Instagram. I make reels I'm monetized some of them I get to five ten thousand views in there just slow down But I look at this page over here. That's not monetized. He's real to go eighty thousand hundred K But they're not so I really feel like on those you take time Instagram if you're monetized they don't want to pay you for"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4337.568,
      "index": 158,
      "start_time": 4308.473,
      "text": " The money on TikTok and the money in comparison to YouTube is there's no way you're gonna make the same amount of money. First of all, there's no way that a two or three minute"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4365.674,
      "index": 159,
      "start_time": 4338.302,
      "text": " TikTok is going to make as much as a two hour video on YouTube. Um, you know, it's just, it's, but the other, although what I've heard is you can go live, like going live on TikTok is good. People can donate and you can make money doing that. So another thing you could do on your channel too, that will help you out a lot. And it will probably get you a lot, a lot of views. Cause you, uh, the name of your channel is cool. True crime. I like all that you could, uh, cover stories of,"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4395.913,
      "index": 160,
      "start_time": 4366.135,
      "text": " of guys that's in prison or out of prison, but they don't have to tell you their story. You could just like cover it and do a voiceover and just have like images of the scene. And I was talking about, I've seen those guys that do that stuff like that. You know, that takes a long time. That's a lot of editing. Like that's a lot. You do your own editing. Yeah. Well, not for the channel so much. Like I do my own tick, not my own tick. I do a lot of shorts and tick tocks."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4423.166,
      "index": 161,
      "start_time": 4396.271,
      "text": " I can do my own editing, but for the channel, I have a video editor, Colby. Colby does all the editing for the channel. Okay, cool. I make TikToks and you know, I make shorts every once in a while and I can edit. But you're right though, like if you did a story for an hour, it'll take a lot of editing, but if you did maybe a 15 minutes, 20 minute story, but that's really thrilling with the music and the"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4451.254,
      "index": 162,
      "start_time": 4423.456,
      "text": " I like doing the interviews. What software do you use?"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4476.698,
      "index": 163,
      "start_time": 4451.715,
      "text": " so much to edit with yeah adobe oh okay but on my phone i ain't gonna lie i like editing on my phone better really i i use final cut pro i just use it on my macbook i'm not good on a computer i can edit some stuff on my phone would blow your mind you know i've seen guys use i could put the sound effects and have shit popping up when i talk and i'm good i'm good on my phone i use like vlog star"
    },
    {
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      "text": " It started with a scream inside a quiet Maryland home. A mother trying to protect the family dog and her son in the grip of a violent hallucinogenic rage. By the time it was over, she was dead."
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    {
      "end_time": 4535.913,
      "index": 165,
      "start_time": 4507.142,
      "text": " You could only stack like two on top with iMovie and sometimes I'm stacking two, three, four."
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    {
      "end_time": 4561.613,
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      "start_time": 4536.664,
      "text": " We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4590.06,
      "index": 167,
      "start_time": 4561.954,
      "text": " They might. They might. It's fine. If they've watched this far, they probably are. They're probably okay with it. Uh we're good. We're good, man. Um for sure. I got a bunch of homeboys. You make an interview soon. Um I got a good story coming out, man. Um it's a rapper. His name is uh T. Grizzly. He's real real famous but he came up rapping somebody else's life that went to jail and"
    },
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