FBI's Most Wanted Cop Gets Arrested : Exploiting & Airlifting Inmates

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      "text": " I had no consequences. I'll just be quick to punch you or feel pissed right in yourself because in order for a facility to run smoothly, you can't be by the book. A lot of inmates were getting airlifted out, but this is where my downfall came. I applied and literally I got the job like on the spot. Like you can start like three days later. It's, it's, it's, it's fast. It's fast. That's insane. Yeah. And the background check was like basically nothing. If you have a heartbeat,"
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      "text": " And you're okay. You're talking and you have our beat. Department of Corrections will take it. Where did you end up? Like how long before you actually went in? Did they, was there any training at all? Like, or is it on the job train? So this is how Florida does it. I don't know about the other States. I know that federal doesn't do this. So when you get hired, literally they put you onto a shift. So I started working night shift."
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      "text": " On this one shift. So seven and seven at night. This is on the job training. It's unbelievable. But they don't even give you anything to protect yourself. You don't even know any policy. They don't even give you a radio. You just have what they call a panic button, right? Hitting the deuces. Yeah, the deuces. And if that even works, because it's supposed to pick up to the closest alarm of the dorm or if you're like a medical or something, right?"
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      "text": " And all the guards come and meet supposed to come immediately to run to right. So if you ever know policy or you just hang out, you're just on the job training until you're eventually on your own. Right. So you stay there. It could be a month. It can be up to six months before they send you to the Academy. Oh, so this whole time you're working, they'll tell you, Oh, go do one body searches. You know, you have to do pat down or go do a cell search. It's like, what am I looking for? I don't even know what you're doing."
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      "text": " I got lucky because I got assigned to one of the sergeants that was in charge of the gang unit. And the gang unit is called STG, security threat group. That's basically a gang unit. And he liked me. And he was letting me do a lot of things that a TEA, which is soon as you get hired, you're not a certified officer. So they call it a TEA. The inmates will call you a new cock. Right. But"
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      "text": " The staff will call you with TEA. And the TEA is not even supposed to be on its own. It's supposed to be strictly in the dorm, just pressing buttons, letting people in. Or if you do cell searches and stuff, you're supposed to be able to be a certified officer. You're supposed to. Right. Because you don't have handcuffs, you don't have pepper spray, you don't even have a radio. Okay. But I got lucky and I got to roll with one of the sergeants that was in charge of the whole gang unit."
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      "text": " And at the time it was only him and a captain and that captain worked day shift. So the captain would do all the, all the STG things in the daytime and he was in charge of it at night. You know, whatever the captain would tell him to do, he would have to do and talk to a certain inmate or go lock an inmate up or something. So back then I was, you know, working out a lot. I was a lot bigger than what I am now. So he was a smaller guy and"
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      "text": " He had a respect from the inmates, but I also noticed that he was too cool, like trying to be your friend. And there's nothing wrong with being friends and friendly and make a joke here and there. Right. But you're not going to let them dictate to you what, what they're going to do. Right. You know what I mean? Like you dictate to what they're going to do. You're in charge here and it's not a power thing. It's just a respect thing. I have the badge. You don't, I work with you. I'll compromise with you."
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      "text": " But you're not going to want ever tell me what to do. Yeah. You're not going to say, no, no, no, I'm not doing that. I'm going to go do this over here. No. Right. And he would go for it because part of STG is keeping the peace too. It's identifying the gangs, making sure, you know, they don't cross paths with the other gangs, stop contraband, either drugs or cell phones or whatever the contraband is at that time. Right. Okay. So it is part of keeping the peace, right? But"
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      "text": " You're too friendly. They just walk all over you. Right. So I learned a lot from him, you know, but I also dissected what I didn't like. I seen him do and I never told him this, but I'm just watching because from that moment when I worked with him and he was letting me do things that I'm not even supposed to do. I knew I wanted to do that and I wasn't going to stop. That's what I wanted to do inside of working in the prison. So I got to experience and get my name out there by doing a lot of things."
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      "text": " Like he would even let me fight some inmates because they would disrespect me to him. Right. Like I looked at it as a racial thing. Right. Because they said cracker. Right. I'm from New York. Like we don't like we don't even use the word cracker like that unless you're trying to insult someone. But in here in Florida, they say cracker. Yeah, it's not a really an insult fault here. So then I would say something to him and he would say something back. And next thing you know, now now we have an issue."
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      "text": " And he wouldn't like he would be so nervous. He's like, he'd be like, and then I'll be like, No, this is what's gonna happen. And we would, you know, settle settle our problems. But insane, bro. It is insane. Yeah. But it got me the respect from the inmates, too. And I'm not sitting here and say, Oh, I beat everyone's ass. Yeah, no, not at all. You know, I didn't care."
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      "text": " If I got or if you got off on me if I got off on you, it was a respect thing. Yeah, we're gonna say it's it's it's what you definitely really really honestly you realize this in high school like some it's really it's more about being willing to fight than it is actually winning the fight. Of course, you want to win the fight. Nobody wants to get their ass beat. Right. But it's so much worse if you just don't fight. You're out if you'd rather fight and lose than to not fight at all, then it's much much worse than then everybody disrespects you."
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      "text": " And that goes for offices too, because now offices, they talk some, they talk reckless sometimes, right? So when an inmate talks reckless back, you can't be quick to lock him up and put him in the shoe because you open that door to disrespect him. He didn't disrespect you first in that situation, you know, and now everyone's going to disrespect you now. Good luck trying to accomplish what you're trying to accomplish as a correction officer. It's not going to happen when you don't have the respect, right? And"
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      "text": " All these guys, even the warden, the colonel, like, you know, we call it white shirts, right? Brass warden will come all talk to me. They came and watch me get pepper sprayed. They made it worse because they made me go last. So the whole time in the academy, you have to, you know, run and do exercises, get open up your pores. Right. And then usually they just go a little like right here. And then you have to open your eyes."
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      "text": " And then you have to do like, hit the bag, then you have to run to the next bag, elbow it and knee it after being pepper sprayed, right? And then you have to take one of the officers they have as a you know, there's like a dummy, and he has to like resist a little bit and you have to throw them on the floor and put the handcuffs on them while you're using the radio to the control room to let you know backup, I need backup, right? They try to make it stressful. Yeah, it's really a joke. But you have to make it stressful."
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      "text": " But since I had all these guys in higher spots that all came from my spray day, they made it worse. Like I was sweating. I was exhausted from running because there's like 30 kids in a class all the whole time. They're making me run to pushups, burpees. They're working me out. They were like, oh, you want to be a part of SRT? We're going to make you work for it. And then they were using the MK9."
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      "text": " I'm K4. It's the smaller can of pepper spray. Okay, right. But they use it, the MK nine on me. And that's what only sergeants have. And it's like, they call it black Jesus. Why? Because you're gonna see black and you're gonna be crying for Jesus. That's how bad it is. It's like, it's bad. They call it black Jesus. So you're supposed to have your eyes closed. But they were messing with me. And they were like, they were like, yo, and I open up my eyes and they and they sprayed me bad."
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      "text": " So I mean, did you end up on that? Yeah, right away. So as I passed the Academy, which is like three months, approximately three months, and you passed the state certification test."
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      "text": " Because you have to pass the test for the Academy, and then you got to pass a state board that has nothing to do with the prison has to do with, you know, FDL the Florida Department of Law enforcement. Okay, then you're officially certified officer. So what is what is the officer make the first year? This seems like a lot of fucking shit. And a dangerous. It is job. It is dangerous. So what do they make?"
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      "text": " Right. 34,000. Because I know that I think federal, the first year like the feds, they're like 35 or 38,000. It's like it's very little money. But it goes up more in the feds. Right. Like a captain here in Florida makes maybe 50,000."
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      "text": " Okay, it's yeah, you don't make anything. Okay, really if you do it, it's to be it's a stepping stone to go to maybe County where you make more money or police department, maybe FBI or something. Yeah, it's law enforcement. It's it's an entry. It's a entry bar into law enforcement. It's an entry. If you stay there, there's a lot of people that stay there and they don't even want to promote up to sergeant lieutenant, right? And it's only a 7% increase. So if you're an officer,"
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      "text": " And you want to be a sergeant, it's only 7% from that from that salary. But it is a state job that you could retire from in 20 years, you know what I'm saying? So it is not like there's not a pension that comes with it. Correct. But I don't know how much that pension is. And you have good benefits. But to me, it's not worth wasting your whole career staying in that. It's a toxic environment too. Yeah, toxic from the inmates and it's toxic from staff too. Well, I mean, I know guys that would go into"
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      "text": " They go into the military at like 17, right? Because your parents can sign off, right? 17 go for 20 years, retire, go into law enforcement for 20 years, retire. And then they were working on their third, but now they're all there in their like 50s. But then they go in and they're working for like the BOP, right? And you're like, well, you're working on your third fucking your third pension right now. Which is genius. Yeah, if you if you can stay that course, right? If you can, there's a few and far in between that can."
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      "text": " I definitely wasn't making it on my course. I definitely would have loved to try, but no, it's a job. It depends on what you make of it too, but it is a very toxic, it takes a toll on you. It takes a toll on you. It's not just inmates that you have to worry about too. The staff is very toxic too."
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      "text": " You don't have like the highest education, you know, people that are working that you don't very rarely will you see someone with a master's or even a bachelor's go work there. Yeah, no, I mean, you could tell and this is and this was a BOP but there was just they were constantly like we talked about before they were these guys are fighting in the fucking parking lot like they're like, I'll meet you all fucking back, you know, I'll meet you in the parking lot as soon as your shift gets right motherfucker and they go out and they get into fistfights like they guys would come back with, you know,"
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      "text": " They would be in screaming matches on the rec yard, they would, you know, one guy closes the compound, then they open it back up, then the other one closes the compound, and you're like, what's going on there? Then they guys are practically yelling on the radio, like I said, the compound is closed. One guy saying it's open, one guy saying it's closed. Like, you find out these two guys hate each other. Guards are female guards are fucking one or two of the fucking CEOs that hate each other. That's where most of the fights come from. It's who's banging who."
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      "text": " Right. That's where a lot of the fights come from or not even they're not even banging them yet. They just see a new a new offices come in and they're trying to claim and they're fighting like what are you doing, bro? Yeah, what are you doing? One of these inmates is gonna bet the banger before you do anyway. So what does it matter? Oh, I know what it was. There were there had to be"
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      "text": " whatever, I don't know how many guards there even were at the low, I'm thinking the low. I would say there were at least four or five guards that were clearly on like, Oxy's, like they were clearly on like they had an addiction problem. And it was you know, they're nodding off in the, you know, in the little, their little office and you know, whatever it's like, and I don't know, but I've got you got the other inmates who are now brother to that he's got"
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      "text": " I trust me. I know I was addicted. They're like and they would say this he's fucked up or she's messed up or and then you find out later they'll send them to detail like they'll send them to a rehab for a cover up. Yeah, and then come back and they start over again. Yeah, it happens. There was this one officer when I first started. He was actually a sergeant and he would come drunk."
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      "text": " Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard that too. Like, I'm never I was never close enough. But the other the guys that would work with them, like at rec, you're working right beside the CEOs, right? Or if you're in commissary, like you're right, you're right there. CEOs right here with two or three of them, and they could smell the alcohol. Or was it this one? There was a like a lieutenant, a female lieutenant who was harassing one of the CEOs."
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      "text": " and I'm taking your kids. That's terrible. He should have just hit it then. Yeah, it would have been better off if I had been thanking her. So yeah, the next day he filed an official complaint and everybody was like, bro, like they're trying to sweep it under the rug. He's like, I can't. My wife, she's gone. She's leaving my mind if I don't file the complaint. And he's got all the tax. That's a career changer for both of them. Yeah. They took her from the pen and they transferred her to the low and she was a nightmare."
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      "index": 56,
      "start_time": 1438.285,
      "text": " was a nightmare. I don't know how she survived at the pin. I'm surprised they didn't stab her at the pin. Yeah, she was such an asshole. But that was an everybody and here's the funny thing too is like, everybody knew it. Like all the staff were talking about what was going on. Like it was a blatant thing. But it was the whole thing was it was the overwhelming gossip, right? That two guards are banging this chicken who's running commissary. They call her commissary Barbie."
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      "index": 57,
      "start_time": 1464.104,
      "text": " Listen, and honestly, she was a she was a prison nine, you know, she was a free world six, maybe a five, but she looked good. Yeah. And of course, the guys working with her know she's banging two of the guards and she's married. And they're like, oh, that marriage is done. It's only a matter of time. And sure enough, like within a year, she's divorced. One of these guys is divorced. I mean, guys are fighting each other in the parking lot. It happens all the time. It's literally like,"
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      "end_time": 1522.602,
      "index": 58,
      "start_time": 1493.268,
      "text": " It's like a college fret. Yes. It's horrible. Yeah, it is horrible. It's entertaining for the inmates though. They're like, Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And the offices, they don't realize when they talk, there's always an inman around. Oh yeah. They say one thing, it spreads like wildfire. And by the, by the fourth inmate it's twice as bad. Oh, it's twice as bad. Cause they're like old women, but they know where you hang out on Friday and Saturday nights. They know what school you kids go to. They know what kind of car you have. They know you just got some new jet skis. They know, they know everything."
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      "text": " Yeah, I mean, I literally would have the inmates would be like, yeah, Thompson just bought two fucking jets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, you know, it's funny, too, because like last week, he was talking about how fucking strapped he was, and he was having to work 20 or 30 hours worth of overtime. And yet this motherfucker just went and bought the jet skis. Can you believe that? And I'm sitting there thinking, how the fuck do you know? It's unbelievable. And it's gossip on both parts."
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      "end_time": 1572.227,
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      "start_time": 1544.189,
      "text": " They'll know everything, right? They'll know your dirty little secrets. You're sitting there talking, thinking that no one's there's an enemy right here. There's a fly on the wall. Everyone's watching. Everyone's listening. It's but it's it is entertaining. I never really had a interaction like that where I had a problem with that. I don't really like the shit where I eat. You know, sometimes, you know, obviously, remember will be tempted. Right. But at least in the state of half half the female staff there, there's rough. But"
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      "text": " They always they have a thousand inmates that are giving them love, you know, because half of these girls, they don't get the love on the outside. No one's telling them that they're beautiful every morning. No one's telling them that they smell good. They may even say the corniest thing, but it works. Next thing you know, she's quitting her job. And next year when he gets out, she's picking him up."
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      "text": " Yeah, that's that's you know, it's funny how common that is. It's very common like guys will get out and hook up with the like they'd really been we did the remember we did the interview with the guy the end there was an inmate that was flirting with the guard which is already he was like was dangerous like that could have gone bad. Yeah, he was concerned like he was like, you know,"
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      "index": 63,
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      "text": " We really shouldn't have had a friendly of a relationship called established in a relationship. You get sent to the shoe for that. Yeah. Well, what happens is she was telling him I'm leaving like she was actually leaving. She was going to go be a dental hygienist. You remember the guy talking about you put the he has the company now that puts the TV marketing stuff. Yeah. So he leave so she leaves like only a month or so before and he actually asked her her full name."
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      "text": " Yeah, very ballsy. That's a success story, but it doesn't happen very often. Usually it's a nightmare. Next thing you know, she goes to work and everything's gone in her house."
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      "text": " Yeah, or she shows up and gets escorted off the. Well, that's embarrassing. Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it too. It's funny. We had one time, her name was Miss Brown. This was when I was at the medium. I'd only been there like a year. And there was a guy. I don't forget his name. It wasn't Jimmy, but it was something kind of silly, like your Billy or you know, something silly, right?"
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      "text": " But I'd be honest, he looked like he stepped out of a GQ magazine. Like you just this guy didn't look like he should be locked up. Right? No, I think he did have one tattoo. Anyway, whatever. And Miss Brown should not have been in the medium. I mean, she was she was she was a free world 10. She was a no, she was a prison 10. She was a free world eight. She looked good, bro. And sure enough, if old"
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      "text": " You know, whatever Bobby or Jimmy or whatever his name was, wasn't flirting with her and doing that. And then one night he gets drunk. He's in her office sitting on her desk and she's in there, you know, curling her hair. We're all like, how long does this last? Like, man, I'm surprised that because the animates will tell. So that's that's what happens. That's what happens. I think I want to say a week, maybe two. Listen, one, she would do like the tip after 10 o'clock sound. You know, they come around again and we got doors. You know, they count like every hour or two."
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      "text": " she would come by after she counted go up to his door and he would they would sit there and talk through the door for hours at one point she got to a point where she would open the door he'd go upstairs and they talk in the in the room within a week they escorted off the property a hundred percent there was a librarian she had to be 70 years old I wouldn't touch this if I was if it was a leg last moments on earth no not not happening right"
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      "text": " Well, this guy who was an orderly, and I don't even know how he was an orderly there because he had a life, right? And it's like in an area where it's kind of close to the front gate. So I don't even think he should have been there. But anyways, and he had HIV. Well, an inmate got upset that he was banging like the seven year old Hiberian lady and told staff and she got escorted off the off the compound with"
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      "text": " with that thing. I mean, she's 70. Yeah. But it happens so, so often. You know, there was this one inmate that I was very not close with, but I had a good relationship with him. He was a Nieta, and I would have to deal with some of the Nietas at that time. And I, at that time, I had free range of where I can put inmates and what jobs and stuff. So"
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      "text": " I was very close with classification. And that's who actually determines on what housing unit you're going to, what job you have, etc. But I had a lot of leeway and a lot of pull on a I want this in here, please. I want this in here, please. So I would run all of it. So I ran the barbershop grounds, outside grounds, the kitchen, any major job laundry, any major job"
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      "text": " I was really in control of that as that was my secondary duty besides being a gang sergeant because at that time I wasn't working a dorm. I was in charge of the gangs and running like, you know, everything I just mentioned. So I was cool with him. So I put him into the kitchen as the head storage guy."
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      "text": " You know, that's a high political spot to have, right? Because you can steal out of the and you're in the storage room where everything is where it's locked up, right? You know, and only you can go in there and the officer and the civilian lady, right?"
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      "text": " So I will go in there and eat. I never brought lunch. Let me just make that if anyone complains about the state food, stop complaining. I ate it. I ate it for all those years. I worked at right. I will never bring lunch. And I love the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, by the way. So I was in there and he was making every day. He would make me at the peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And I noticed that the civilian lady and she was a prison three. Right."
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      "end_time": 1942.244,
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      "text": " But he's in there for a long time. And I noticed her. She's sitting down on a box against the wall. And she's like, like this. And like I said, I was pretty close with this. Like we we were pretty close. We beat up a couple of mates together, like together. And and he would, you know, help me out with his gang, because they were kind of they weren't really prominent like that, but they were some serious dudes at the time. And I noticed she's like this."
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      "text": " I look at him and he looks at me smiling. I said, give me my damn sandwich, man. I gotta get, I gotta get the fuck up out of here before I'm involved in any of this shit. So I knew he was banging it. I didn't say anything. I didn't really care to be honest with you. They were going to get caught eventually. Um, I think he got transferred something else, but it happens all the time. It's, it's actually pretty entertaining. Yeah. I would go say too, what about the, uh, the familiarity? I knew I actually wrote a book about a guy who"
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      "index": 77,
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      "text": " When he got to prison, he was he got there and he's like within a couple days he was walking in the chow hall. He looks up and he sees one of his friends from high school's older brother. He's a CEO as an officer as an officer and he looked up and he saw him and he looked up and he was like, hey, he goes and turns his head and walk keeps walking. So he said like later on that day."
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      "index": 78,
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      "text": " He was walking and he saw him and he said, hey, his inmate come here. He's like, hey, man, what's going on? He says it's coming. And they're like, search him. He goes, listen, man, he said, if you fucking tell anybody that you know me, they're going to ship you, not me. I'll look out for you. But that's all I can do. Don't fuck you. Don't tell any friends. Don't tell your roommate. Don't tell you don't know me. You don't know. He told him, gave him a little. He said, don't get comfortable with somebody. Say, oh, I know this guy."
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      "end_time": 2048.097,
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      "text": " He said, I'm telling you right now, he said, everybody hears talking, everybody hears a snitch, they'll all tell on you, they'll all tell on everybody, and you'll get fucking shipped. He's your net use, your mom ain't gonna fucking be able to see you if they ship you to work because his mother would come see him, right? Right. And that's, you know, they hold that over you, right? So they're gonna ship you to fucking, you know, Kansas or something, and she ain't gonna be able to see you and you got fucking five more years or six years. So anyway, he was like, so he was leaving by the time I was writing his book, he like, yeah, you know, so until he's fucking his brothers here, he told me, but"
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    {
      "end_time": 2065.93,
      "index": 80,
      "start_time": 2048.592,
      "text": " But that been five years later, five, six years later, he's about to leave. But I was gonna say one more thing is that there was a black chick that was a CEO. She was a big and there's a big, there's a lot of them. But there was a guy she went to high school who was there. This is the well."
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      "text": " He's in her office all the time, flirting and he's telling people, yeah, I went to high school with her. We're cool. We're a sport. Listen, it wasn't a week pack. He's on the pack out and get shipped. Yeah. And everybody was like, bro, what are you talking? Don't tell anybody that. What are you doing? Yeah. What are you doing? It's necessary though, because he's not doing it maliciously, right? Yeah. He's just running his gums, right? Yeah. But it's dangerous for her because she has a problem with his inmate. And now that guy, that inmate starts talking to him."
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      "index": 82,
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      "text": " he can know where she lives he can know where mother is you know a lot of these dudes are serious dudes especially in the feds yeah you know they get our family knocked off or they they yeah or they you know imagine now his cousin or brother or friend can go to"
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      "end_time": 2138.609,
      "index": 83,
      "start_time": 2113.558,
      "text": " Her house and say, Hey, can you bring a cell phone? Just Jimmy, I'll give you a grand, you know, and that's how it starts, right? Like it's a friend of us, you know, or that's a way. Yeah, that's a way into you. Think about it. You bring in, you bring in two cell phones a month and they're not searching you. They bring in two cell phones a month. That's an extra $24,000 a year on top of your 35,000. Like you're now making a that's a"
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      "index": 84,
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      "text": " That's you're close to 60 grand a year more than what you're making. Yeah, that's right. That's just a couple two cell phones. It's tempting. It is tempting. That's nothing like I'm saying. Like let's face it two cell phones is nothing compared to what some of these guys could rake in if they bring in 100% and it happens all the time and mostly it does come from the guards. Yeah, listen to this. Tell me how funny this is the recruitment for Florida Department of Corrections. They don't go"
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      "index": 85,
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      "text": " To the local high schools. They don't go to the local colleges to the criminal justice degree departments, you know, right? You know where they put up signs. Just take a wild guess where they put up signs to advertise it. The parking lot on Visitation Day. Really? You can't make it up. I can't make I can't even make that up. I wonder why that why do you why is that though? I think it's because they're all like literally like retarded."
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      "end_time": 2219.616,
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      "text": " There's no other way. What makes you think? I'm not the smartest person, believe me. I'm not. But I already know if I'm going to recruit, I'm going to put up signs on the highway. I'm going to go to the college, the criminal justice degree department. I'm not going to go to visitation day where it makes families are coming and put up signs now hiring. It's mind boggling."
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      "text": " If you walked into a dorm and you were blindfolded, right? And you heard the officers talking and you heard the inmates talking, you wouldn't know the difference. Yeah. Yeah. They had the same basic types of of interests. They have the same, you know, they have. That's how they talk. They talk the same. Listen, a lot of these guys were were like, you know, some of the CEOs were in gangs growing up. Some of them were right."
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      "text": " And there's nothing wrong with that if you change your way, right? Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying but I'm saying that's something that the mean you're saying that but let's face it the whoever's running the BOP or the state those prison like they wouldn't want you to have been in a gang. You know what I mean? They would be like, oh, I don't think we want a guy that was a former gang member to be in a car if they had a choice. But since it's so like, yeah, little people that actually want to do it. Yeah, you know, I'm no better. I was I was on the line. You know, I don't even know how I got that job either, you know, so I'm not saying saying I'm perfect."
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      "text": " Well, so so you were"
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      "text": " Were you running the why can't I remember the name of this? I just want to say the gang unit but STG STG were you running STG at this point or so just underneath the other guy? So I was underneath him even when I get out of the Academy. Okay, and then we I assume that yeah, and then he transfers and not even a full year transfers to another institution to become a captain or a lieutenant because and you can skip only one rank when you and you can only skip lieutenant."
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      "text": " So if you're a sergeant, you want to promote up to the tenant and then be a captain. You don't have to be a lieutenant. That's the only rank that you can skip and become a sergeant than a captain. Okay. Because there's only two to three lieutenants on, on shift for that whole person. There's not many. It's not like every shift needs a captain. It's only like two or three departments that need a lieutenant. Right. So I, I'm not sure if he wants to be a lieutenant or a captain, but he left."
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      "text": " And the captain was getting older and he just gave me free range. And then the captain ended up leaving. So now I'm very close at the time with my major who kind of was overseeing the STG and kind of put me in that spot on admin shift on charge of all of the barbershop and all the cafeteria, everything like that. Right. So now I'm basically running it. Note, mind you, a little bit of training. I don't,"
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      "text": " No training whatsoever, not like a California Department of Corrections or a BOP where they put you do strenuous training. Right. It's just what you know from the street or what you think, you know, and just learning as you go and into the, uh, into, you know, the field. Right. But I wasn't really like too like gung-ho on learning it, to be honest with you. I, all I was, was doing was making sure that what my major wanted."
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      "text": " not crazy amounts of contraband, not crazy amounts of violence because there was a lot and just keeping an order on it. That's it. How many inmates are in this prison? At this particular institution I was at, it was about maybe 1,300, 1,200. That's a good size. Colvin was 18. The low was 1,800. The medium was"
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      "text": " 14 or 1500. So it was basically the size of the medium. That's a lot of fucking people. Right. And now this was it wasn't, you know, in Florida, they don't have a medium and low like that. They just have like different like degree of like custody levels. Right. So like, if, like, for instance, if you got sentenced to the BOP, and you were high, you would go to a pen, right?"
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      "text": " Here in Florida, you would kind of be put on CM, like behind a door. So all like the maximum security prisons here in Florida, they're not really dangerous because the inmates are behind a door. It's basically like the shoe. The whole thing is like the shoe. So the mediums, what you would classify a medium is like a high. I was going to say a medium, they're behind a door. You can feed them through the doors. You can, you know. Right. It's a little different the way the state runs it on BOP. So like to kind of like transition over to"
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      "text": " It would be like a medium, but you have inmates that are high offender on there, like dangerous to staff, and they're basically like the pen, but they're just not called like a... So you might have one guy behind the door that robs some banks, but isn't really that dangerous next to another guy who's there for killing five people and is never going to get out. This guy's got 10 years, he's getting out, he robbed three banks. Right. This, you know,"
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      "end_time": 2543.234,
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      "text": " This guy robbed three banks with a note he's still going and then this guy who's killed five people is never getting out of prison those guys would be right could be right in the same correct unless your custody level solo where you have outside gate pass you will be at a camp or you know or like a reentry center something like that a guy with three murders isn't going to ever get that no never get that but only recently the Department of Corrections have classification where they would"
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      "text": " do your height and weight proportion to be in the cell. So back when I was working there, you can literally be 5 120 and be sold up with 6 6 250. Yeah, no, that's that could go bad. Now it's not as bad classification has changed because of so much Priya Prison Elimination Act. They had a lot of Priya going on. Or, you know, accusations of Priya. No one's behind the door. I wouldn't even want to know. Right. Right. Like, but"
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      "text": " Only recently have they changed that. But that's why Florida is a very dangerous, because a very dangerous institution just because the people that are running it, you know, it's a free for all. You know, there's not many things in order that would have kept you safe. Like you said, you could be a nonviolent offender, but being there for 10 years and be in a cell with a dude that's serving three life sentences. Right. Yeah, it's funny because in"
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      "text": " In Florida, you guys they go to like a reception center where they write everybody's mixed in together until they classify you but right in this in the Bureau of prisons like you're classified from the from the get go. Yeah, you're not you're not going to a pen unless you write 10 points. So our reception center would be equivalent to the same custody level as like an FTC."
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      "text": " Okay, or Oklahoma City Transit Center. Yeah, it's administrative. Yeah, you're being processed. You're being assessed, assessed, right? I went through their Oklahoma City. Yeah, I did too. Yeah. Well, they got it down there. Don't think you're almost as upsetting and depressing as it is the situation is your it's it's oddly impressive. Like there's those swarm off that that plane and those guys. It's an assembly line."
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      "text": " I've never had the cuffs taken off me so fast and everything that guy you walk up on a little stairs and stand you turn and I mean it's right. What the hell like wooden planks stairs right? Yeah, I think you're about to be executed. Yeah, that's how I felt. Yeah, and then you go down there grab a bag you grab about your bag lunch and you go in that room with all the diamond plate"
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      "text": " It's like if it's like 300 people. Yeah, you just kind of you're in there. You're not that tight, but you're in there. It's there's a lot in there. You're not sitting down. Everybody couldn't sit down. That's for sure. You definitely know you're in a prison. Oh, yeah. You know, you definitely know you're in a prison. What's funny about that is I actually have a story. I think Colby's heard this story and then I'll stop. I'll stop interrupting. You just use it. But you'll appreciate this. I just I just I've been arrested for like"
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      "text": " Like a month or so, maybe six weeks. Right. And so I'm standing there and I walk so I walk in there. And I'm set by go get in that that room and we're standing there. And there's a toilet like in the corner. But there was so many people this old guy couldn't see it was an old man. He's probably seven 65. So no, not he has at least be 70 in his 70s, right 70s. Because he was old. And there was a black guy that was there that had to be six to"
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      "text": " jacked up on steroids and had gold teeth that had fangs. He looked like a comic book character. He looked like the comic book character Blade. Okay, but from the comic book, right? Bigger than what's his name? Who plays Blade? Wesley Snipes. Wesley Snipes is not that tall. He's not that big. He's not like a six foot two guy. This guy was a giant."
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      "text": " And I'm sitting there and we're not far away, right? We're, I'm sitting there like, you know, we're, he and I, everybody's kind of sizing each other up, right? Like, that's what happens here. We stand in there and the old man, he's standing there and he said, I gotta go to the bathroom. And we're like, okay. And he, and he looks over the door and he walks over the door and grabs the door and you know, and he goes, Hey,"
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      "text": " They got us locked in here and me and the black guy look at it. He looks down. We like look at each other and I go. Yeah, it's probably going to be a lot of a lot of locked doors from now on and the black guy's gotta start juggling right like and he looks at the the black guy looks at the old man. He goes. What are you in here for pops? And he goes and he looked he said, I don't know. I was just taking you know my my my my granddaughter. She's one of those those lesbians."
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      "text": " She's a lesbian. She and one of her girlfriends, they wanted me to take some pictures of them and I was taking some pictures of them and they put them on the internet and they were selling those pictures. I wasn't even selling them. I just took the pictures and we're like glancing at each other because in that environment,"
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      "text": " people there's not a lot there's no real politics at that point yet right because everybody's stunned you know they're not like i'm gonna fuck you up because guys are waiting to go to trial guys are still fighting their case like i'm not trying to they're trying to take it easy right right and the way he was saying it you could tell it's almost like he's old i'm not i mean i i think you know what you were doing was wrong but but you're acting like oh i'm just an old man i really know"
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      "text": " And we're like, and he, you know, we're like, we're like, right, he's like, yeah, and they put it on the internet. And then there was selling them pictures. And, and, and I was like, sitting there and I and so I'm processing it right, because I don't really understand what I'm not on that. I've been locked up enough to start realizing what a show is and what makes it illegal and what you know, right."
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      "text": " And I'm not thinking along those lines, because it's never something that's never entered my world, right? Like when you're not in your norm. Yeah, and you're 17, 18 years old, you're you've never heard of underage this or under it wasn't as prevalent than about even out there. But I don't know about it. I don't think about those things. So we're I'm listening to him and me and the black guy are kind of glancing at each other. And I went"
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      "text": " How old is your granddaughter? Because I'm thinking to myself, you're taking pictures of two lesbians like there's nothing and putting them on the internet and selling them. There's nothing illegal about that. Why would you be here? And then I dawns on me. How old are you? Is your granddaughter? And he goes, oh, she's she's she's 1415 years old and and and the and listen, the black dude just got a look that look he's like took a step back and he said,"
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      "text": " He said, I keep that I keep that to myself pops is that you might not want to be telling a lot of people that and he was like, well, I didn't do nothing as I was like, yeah, I don't that's probably not going to go over well like that. And anyway, he ended up we ended up saying there's a toilet over there in the corner. He goes over all your there's all these people here. Well, there's you're gonna have to get used to that. You're gonna have to Yeah. But yeah, that was it was that was one of those"
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      "text": " you're going to meet a lot of very odd people and odd situations and 100% and that that right there would have pissed me off. Even if I was an officer and overheard him speaking, I was probably would have slapped them right then and there. I didn't do nothing for that would have really pissed me off. I had bigger problems than the I'm still"
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      "text": " Yeah, I'm still in shock from being I'm still in shock that I'm standing next to a guy who's six foot two with has gold things and looks like a scarier version of blade. I mean, you look like a cartoon characters. It's just like that is but as you know, in prison looks are deceiving. Like I seen people come in with no tattoos. They look like a little geeky nerd. Next thing you know, they have tattoos all over their face, their head."
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      "text": " And I already seen their rap sheet. How many times they checked into PC this like who you trying to fool with those tattoos? You know, it always seems like the guys that are super quiet that you know, that's the guy who's killed three people. He's quiet. He just keeps to himself. He reads he's he's he doesn't talk to you don't have a bunch of friends. Yeah, and you're like that's the guy who you're like that guy's got a life sentence and he's killed three fucking people and he's been to trial four times and beat state cases. And now you know, I'm saying like you look at his rap sheet. You're like this guy is"
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      "end_time": 3078.046,
      "index": 118,
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      "text": " A menace and then the other guy who might be completely tatted up and just you know Jack Jack walks around and everything you have a conversation with them and you realize like It's a good dude. Nice fucking guy and and you know, like it's all for show, right? Usually the big dudes they already know what they're capable of they already know they don't have to be an asshole, right? They're usually very respectful, right? You know unless you know you get on the wrong side you disrespect them But for the most part, yeah, it's usually a little skinny tatted up kids that actually, you know run their mouth and give you a problem"
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      "text": " Yeah, it's funny. I was gonna say it's always like the guy who's a professional boxer or MMA fighter or who can just destroy everybody in the dorm who's just the nicest politest. It's funny how it works. He's just done wanting trouble because it's, you know, even though he knows it's not going to end badly for him. It's like no matter what it's it's not going to end badly. No matter what getting into the situation means going to the shoe getting shipped. I'm happy here. That's it. He's a little vacation for him right away from the compound."
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      "text": " So you were you're so you're basically kind of running this unit. Well, department. I wasn't Yeah, I wasn't working a specific dorm. Like I said, I will go into the dorms, you know, to talk to inmates about, you know, whatever's going on at that moment, but I didn't work a dorm. But the the power that I had, you know, I was reckless. Literally, I was so reckless. And everyone knew every all the inmates knew me."
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      "text": " And not for a bad reason, not for a good reason. They just, you know, for both. They heard me. And I was always respected. I always respected 100%. But the minute I was disrespected, they already knew it was a problem. And not to say, like I said, oh, because they knew that I was going to beat them up. Maybe they can mess me up. It didn't matter. They knew I was going to get them one way or another. I would make it very, very difficult for them."
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      "index": 122,
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      "text": " But a regular ordinary inmate that followed the rules or whatever, I never had a problem with them, right? Always respected. Even the high gang, like the inmates that are that are high ranking in the gangs would respect me because they knew also that I can ruin their whole organization, their whole scheme, whatever is going on in that prison right there, their hustle. I can ruin it in the snap of a finger because I already knew everything that's going on. And a lot of inmates didn't like that."
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      "index": 123,
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      "text": " They had problems amongst themselves because if two inmates are from two different gangs and they're about to go at it, it's not like the feds where they gotta have permission from their shot caller, their shot caller to go. In Florida, it's a free for all. There's no politics here in Florida and they just take off right then and there. But if I hear something's brewing from two different gangs, that's all I cared about. I would go to the one I had the best rapport with on both sides and we would talk it out and tell them, yo, you need to handle this."
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      "end_time": 3248.285,
      "index": 124,
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      "text": " I'll make sure on wreck time that, um, over here in the cut by this dorm is not going to be any officer for 15 minutes. You got 15 minutes. Anyone who gets caught is, is, is you're on your own. And so I was very unorthodox on how I handle things. So if I knew one organization was in charge of all the cell phones and they're renting them out and they're letting no one else get no play on those cell phones."
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      "index": 125,
      "start_time": 3248.592,
      "text": " Yeah, and"
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      "end_time": 3304.514,
      "index": 126,
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      "text": " I respected it, but I didn't respect it. I already knew I can't trust you. Yeah. You know, I'll take your information. Don't expect no favors from me for anything because I don't trust you. So if you want an inmate hit off the, off the yard, I can make it happen. I can go, I can go mess with them or I can get someone else to go get them off if you want them off. If you're giving me information, I'll get them off. But if you're snitching like that,"
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      "end_time": 3333.08,
      "index": 127,
      "start_time": 3305.23,
      "text": " Blatantly, I'm not messing with you. You understand like at the, at the, in, well, in, in federal, whatever, at Coleman, I don't know where is it, everywhere. I know at Coleman, they would put guys on the payroll. So there would be a snitch and they would put them like on the payroll. They could actually put money on their books. Right. They could pay them as almost like a job, like a, like a, like a facility job where you're getting $95 a month or you're getting $210 a month to do whatever."
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      "end_time": 3361.391,
      "index": 128,
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      "text": " Sorry, because I heard about that, because I would go in to I would get called an SIS because I was ordering paperwork on inmates, right? Like Freedom of Information Act, I was writing stories on different inmates, right? So I'm writing their your true crime story, let's say, and I'd order your freedom of information. And so every once in a while, half the time, it just got in. The other half the time, SIS would get ahold of it first, they'd go through mail room, they call me and they go, Cox, what's going on? You have this guy, John Boziacs,"
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      "end_time": 3390.265,
      "index": 129,
      "start_time": 3362.005,
      "text": " You know, his you've got his this is police reports from fucking, you know, Miami Dade like what's going on. I'd be like, I'm writing a book about him. And they go, well, what's the story and I tell him look, he was brought up. I tell him a quick version of the story. And they go, he does he know you're getting this? And I go, yeah, he knows. And sometimes they would have to ask the guy, right? But after one or once or twice, it was like, okay, does he know you're getting this? Yeah, okay, here. And they give it to him, which you know, is not supposed to happen. No, but there were multiple times. Well, not probably just twice. So"
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    {
      "end_time": 3417.449,
      "index": 130,
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      "text": " where they actually said to me like, listen, you know, like, we could, you know, I was looking at your books, I was looking at how much money you get in, like, if you hear anything, like you can, I can, like, if you know of any cell phones, you know, I mean, and I was like, bro, come on, like, I'm, I cooperated in my case, right, I went back to court to get my sentence reduced, nobody's fucking telling me where there's a fucking cell phone away, like, I don't, I couldn't help you if I wanted to, I don't know. But"
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    {
      "end_time": 3445.111,
      "index": 131,
      "start_time": 3417.995,
      "text": " By him saying, you know, we can put money on your books. It was like, I was thinking to myself, I wonder how many guys are getting money on their books. You know, that's crazy. I didn't know that I heard about it. I didn't know I didn't believe that was true because they don't do that in the state. Like I can't even offer you if you want to collaborate with me. I can't even offer you that I can get time off your sentence or you get your good time back your gains. I can't help you. You're doing it for free. They specifically told me"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3474.445,
      "index": 132,
      "start_time": 3445.111,
      "text": " We can get you a rule 35 like if you get a help us get a case Wow, we we can we can actually put into the Was it the DOJ he was he was we can actually file for Rule 35 from the DOJ and I was like I hear you and listen you saw my jacket I'm ready to go but nobody's fucking selling me Nobody's selling me a cell phone. Nobody's telling me where there is like I promise you none of these guys are gonna tell me that"
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      "end_time": 3497.978,
      "index": 133,
      "start_time": 3474.787,
      "text": " And they were like, he was like, All right, well, keep your eyes open. I was like, Yeah, right. I would have been ready to sing too. I mean, yeah, I'm ready. I wish I could help you. It was just too well known. Yeah, Cox's. Yeah, right. Just spacious. Yeah, too suspicious of you. But I'm sure that there were guys that were matter of fact. There was a guy who had come to Coleman from another facility"
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      "end_time": 3523.097,
      "index": 134,
      "start_time": 3498.183,
      "text": " Because he had been bringing in cigarettes, not even like drugs. He'd been bringing in cigarettes through a guard and got the guard in trouble in trouble. And they came in in the middle of the night not banged on his door like after 10 o'clock count bang on his door and took him and moved them to another facility. They moved him to the medium. And he was at that moment. He was the biggest"
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      "text": " Well, they don't look at it as if it's cigarettes or if it's any a drug or a cell phone. They look at it as the intention, right? It's your intention. You intentionally trying to make profit on bringing something that's that's"
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      "end_time": 3582.415,
      "index": 136,
      "start_time": 3553.251,
      "text": " Not bad. So you can literally if no, it sounds crazy. You can literally an officer can get the same amount of time as bringing in cigarettes as a cell phone doesn't matter, right? That's the intention. That's your intention of bringing in that contraband as an officer. You're smoked. You're cooked right now. They'll cook you for that for sure. So I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. I'm going to stop doing that. No, no, go ahead. Sorry. You just keep reminding me of stuff. I'm like, oh my God, like it's not like that. I like it. I like the conversation. Keep going. It's a"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 3612.295,
      "index": 137,
      "start_time": 3582.892,
      "text": " So all the power that I had the leeway, right? And I was getting up at this time. I'm getting into a decent amount of scuffles too, right? With disrespectful inmates or if an inmate needs to be taken out for something, you know, sometimes I would, I would even go get that inmate out if he's a major problem. And I came up to, to you, that's, that's your brother that's in your gang. And I said, yo, listen, I'm getting way too much, way too much, um,"
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    {
      "end_time": 3637.466,
      "index": 138,
      "start_time": 3612.841,
      "text": " So what what would"
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      "index": 139,
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      "text": " What types of behaviors like what are these guys doing that are making them such a problem? What would an example be so? In Florida, there's a lot of real dudes out there. Don't get this, you know, twisted. There is, but there's also a lot of snitches right right and a lot of snitches goes up the chain. So now they're on my neck. So it could be just a little thing that keeps getting brought up extortion."
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      "end_time": 3692.858,
      "index": 140,
      "start_time": 3666.698,
      "text": " Right. The staff don't really care if you get extorted, but this guy keeps writing, writing complaint after complaint after complaint. He's getting everyone else involved. Now it looks bad on the staff. Right. And the whole organization of the department of corrections, it's an illusion. The only thing that the higher ups care about is the maintenance, the parking lot being painted that, you know, like the parking spots or the grass."
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      "end_time": 3718.422,
      "index": 141,
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      "text": " That's strictly like cut to perfection. The expansion joints on the sidewalk don't know no weeds growing up. That's all they care about is the illusion for when region comes and gives an evaluation because once you get to a certain rank, there's only so much you can go up now like for a warden. You can't be what's going to go higher than a warden or what's going to go higher than a warden is becoming region."
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      "end_time": 3743.985,
      "index": 142,
      "start_time": 3718.865,
      "text": " So in Florida, there's four or five regions, I believe. Okay. And they have a regional director, which would be basically the warden of all the wardens of that prison of that of the prisons in that region. Like South Florida is like region three or four, and they have like three or four prisons or five prisons that are in region four for the South Florida. So the regional director would be the headshot from the state"
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    {
      "end_time": 3768.916,
      "index": 143,
      "start_time": 3744.565,
      "text": " of all in charge of all the wardens so people you know even the wardens want i don't know if they get kickbacks i heard they do i can't speak on it for sure but they get extra money extra bonuses for less crime and and your appearance and stuff it's crazy as it sounds literally they don't care about the inmate safety they barely care about the office of safety right they just want"
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    {
      "end_time": 3792.483,
      "index": 144,
      "start_time": 3769.735,
      "text": " The illusion of a beautiful prison. Right. It's unbelievable. It's crazy. Smoothly. Nobody's getting stabbed or killed that the grounds are kept up. Right. The prison appears to be in good shape. Exactly. And every complaint, you know, small complaint inmates are going to complain about the most ridiculous thing. It's always going to happen. You're not going to stop it. But if it's after one after another, and it keeps going up the chain of"
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    {
      "end_time": 3822.79,
      "index": 145,
      "start_time": 3792.892,
      "text": " of the staff reading those complaints, that's not going to look good on them. Right. So they try to hush it or they don't care. They will literally tell me we want him out of here, get him up out of here, whatever you got to do. Right. And I will go up in there and get him up out of there. What does that mean? I would either send another gang out on him, you know, and I would look the other way with certain things. And I know it's like, wow, you sound just as dirty as an officer bringing stuff in. I don't look at it that way. I wouldn't."
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      "end_time": 3847.363,
      "index": 146,
      "start_time": 3823.063,
      "text": " I didn't bring in contraband, right? And I know that I can never stop the contraband. Right. And the way I viewed it is I need to keep it to a minimum at least because in order for a facility to run smoothly, I believe is that you need some things. You can't be by the book. You can't be by the book. You in order to have, you know, respect and, and"
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      "end_time": 3877.295,
      "index": 147,
      "start_time": 3847.722,
      "text": " The way you want the prison to run, you have to be unorthodox. You may have to do some things that some people are listening to be like, wow, this guy would actually let the gang attack another inmate, this and that. Yes, but it's for the better of everyone else. So one guy got to go, but it's saving everyone else because it can create a riot. It can create a civilians that work in the prison to get hurt, the inmates together. So one guy gets hurt instead of maybe 50 stabbings that day. Right. That's the way I looked at it. Right. A lesser of evil, I guess."
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      "end_time": 3900.623,
      "index": 148,
      "start_time": 3877.568,
      "text": " What like it's like I was gonna say they'd let them like you're not allowed to gamble. You're not allowed to have tattoo tattoo guns or tattoos. You're not allowed to but they allow them to do it because it's a way to keep them entertained like if you said hey guess what you know everybody you're going to go to your cell and you're going to read and there's no TV no gambling no tattoos no"
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      "end_time": 3925.009,
      "index": 149,
      "start_time": 3900.862,
      "text": " Listen, they'll destroy that prison. They'll attack the guards. They'll destroy the prison and it won't go away. So you have to give them TVs. Why? To entertain them. Exactly. Let them burn off some steam gambling. Let them burn off some steam playing handball. Right. Some officers, they try to be dicks and you know, they don't even have rec that day. Right. Well,"
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      "end_time": 3955.265,
      "index": 150,
      "start_time": 3925.725,
      "text": " Now, now you may have a problem now, you know, but I'm all for if there's something happened, you got to shut the wreck down. Yeah, right. You're down. You shut it down. But just to shut it down, just to be a dick because one inmate pissed you off. That's what happens with the TVs. They use the TVs as babysitters, right? They'll take them away for for two days. And the other inmates will tell the other inmates like guys would be causing a problem to shut your fucking mouth. You know, don't talk during count like he's not going to let us watch the fucking game tonight. That's why like they'll police themselves. They will. They will access to TV."
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      "end_time": 3981.63,
      "index": 151,
      "start_time": 3955.572,
      "text": " Or whatever, right? They 100%. That's 100%. But I would only use the TV aspect or the rec yard aspect or something like along those lines just to get at you. So if I didn't like you and I walked into a dorm, right? I literally and you, we just didn't like each other, right? And I'm on to you and I'm going to get you one way or another, either legally or illegally, but I'm going to get you and you're just as a jerk off as I'm a jerk off, right? I would walk in and be like, ah, listen up."
    },
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      "end_time": 3999.343,
      "index": 152,
      "start_time": 3984.326,
      "text": " Everyone's going to be locked down for the rest of the night. Be like two o'clock in the afternoon. Everyone's going to be locked down for the rest of the night because it is fucking jerk off keeps doing this and I'll make something up. Right. Right. Or and then everyone they're going to police someone's going to check them off. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Yeah."
    },
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      "end_time": 4028.251,
      "index": 153,
      "start_time": 3999.838,
      "text": " That and that's how I'll do it. Or if I didn't like you, I'll walk by you and be like, yo, thank you for the information you gave me yesterday. It was very helpful. I'm going to go get them later. Fucking God. They would look like, well, I didn't say shit. What? I have the paperwork inside. You want me to come show it or are you going to shut your mouth? Which one are you going to do? But I would only do that with problematic inmates that no one, even these other inmates didn't want. Right. You know, like not too many inmates had a problem with me except"
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    {
      "end_time": 4058.695,
      "index": 154,
      "start_time": 4028.968,
      "text": " The ones that were, you know, some of them are gang related, you know, some of them were affiliates, but there was a problem. I had a reason to come for you. I wasn't just picking on you because you know, your pants weren't tucked in or you sucked your teeth or you didn't get up when we told you to get up. It wasn't really like that. I, I had a job and that was strictly to keep things going and to minimize the potential damages that these gangs cause. What are some of the issues that these guys are causing?"
    },
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      "end_time": 4088.37,
      "index": 155,
      "start_time": 4059.548,
      "text": " Like the main ones that, you know, make you want to. So most of the problems that these inmates cause are. What the gangs at least is. The extortion extortion is huge and people write people, even if they get extorted, they're going to write a complaint on you. And like I said, the staff don't really care about that, but enough of them come enough from enough different people come. Now you have a problem that you can't handle the extortion. The gangs are running the prison extortion."
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      "end_time": 4118.131,
      "index": 156,
      "start_time": 4088.592,
      "text": " Right. Enough complaints. It starts causing, you know, the wheel running where this prison can't get a hold of these gangs. Do we have to send in extra help to come and wash them away? Or can you handle it with yourself? It looks bad on the higher ups, right? Right. The contraband, the drugs, the synthetic, the synthetic drugs that they use is tremendously dangerous for everyone involved, even the people that are using it. These guys that are, are"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4145.196,
      "index": 157,
      "start_time": 4118.507,
      "text": " are smoking it and they're getting violent. They're drinking their own urine. They're eating their own feces. They are running around thinking that they're on fire. They put it's crazy stuff that I seen. No, no, they aren't. I've seen the on fire thing. Like I've seen these guys runner or and they'll strip their clothes off. They strip their clothes off naked and a lot of them aren't even meaning to be"
    },
    {
      "end_time": 4175.094,
      "index": 158,
      "start_time": 4145.623,
      "text": " Violent with you. They just don't know what's going on. So the minute you grab them You don't know if they have a knife on them not so it's tremendously It's funny that a lot of the inmates laugh about it and stuff But it could go south and it's not but the finger just because how dangerous you're not in your right state of mind And the only thing that really kind of works is like if you slap them from like you slap them out of nowhere Like really hard and really fast. Sometimes they snap up out of it, right? Some people say throw water on them. I Don't think it works a couple times that I did it"
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      "end_time": 4196.084,
      "index": 159,
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      "text": " I just we had to put him in a wheelchair. There's one as he was thought he was swimming. So he was like like just swimming. So we had to get him up in the wheelchair and we're bringing him to medical and I seen what was going on. So he's coming into medical and they can't get him up. So I told the nurse a gold side first for a second. Hold on. Let's go inside for a second."
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      "text": " So she's like, I said, just go inside for a second. So she goes inside and I just just hit him as hard as I can just open hands and he stood up and it kind of scared me. It kind of scared me because he stood up and like, like looking at me like he didn't even know what happened, but he snapped out of it. Right. So I don't suggest any officers actually do that, but that's the only way you can actually wake him up, snap him out of it. But it's very dangerous because if Emma dies because of the drug problem,"
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      "text": " What is gonna they're gonna it's not gonna be good. Okay, like, so it was mostly the drugs, the cell phones, cell phones, people are calling in drugs to be thrown over the fence or to throw the throw the bag somewhere on the grounds for the outside grounds to come in, you know how outside grounds is a big portion of how the drugs come in, right? Some guy who's mowing the guys that are mowing the yards are doing edging outside and"
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      "text": " They'll know that over by this group of trees, they'll look for like a, maybe it looks like a rock. It's like a black, like a whatever. It'll be like a, like a black balloon or something, but they can grab it and stick it in their pants. And then they'll go, when they come back in, they get searched really haphazardly because they know their boss is going to really give a shit and he gets to get, bring it inside. Exactly. Cause the boss is, you know, they do the search and everything, but you know where it's going."
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      "text": " is really it's once it's up there it's kind of hard to even know it's up there you can tell by the way they they walk or they squat down but most of the time is up there it's fucking up there right and a lot of these and a lot of these inmates know"
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      "text": " that the metal detectors in these institutions, they have each one could be different. It's the sensitivity level. So if the sensitivity level is low, because the person in the control room doesn't want to hear the beeping all day, right? So they'll lower the sensitivity. So even if you have something that will go off, and you put enough electrical tape on it, it sometimes it won't go off. Okay."
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      "text": " So and each day is different. So like if you're an officer trying to bring stuff in that will be one of the worst ways because you don't know where the sensitivity levels can be that day. Yeah, I was just I was thinking about this the guys bringing in stuff the different ways and I was also thinking I knew a guard. I told me this one time was that he'd gotten a bonus."
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      "text": " Or finding like a cell phone or he found something where they actually giving the guards like bonuses or finding this is you know, BOP or finding cell phones or for finding and that was one of the things they were like, listen, if you know, you know of any cell phones because you know, they were giving them bonuses, right? So that's why so suddenly the guards this I don't know how long I don't know if they did it if it was a normal thing or they did it for a certain period of time because they literally"
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      "text": " There was a good three to six months, I remember we were in search like just all the time. And somebody and being one of the guards had said that, that yeah, they were now given bonuses to find cell phones or something. Wow, I would have been rich. I know I would have brought in people I would think if you were a guard, you just start bringing in cell phone, you could do that to buy damn, you know, if you just got a cell phone, it's not my fault, it doesn't work. I want my fucking $200 or $600. Right. But it's very easy. If you go to a certain organization and say, listen, for this time frame,"
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      "index": 168,
      "start_time": 4398.951,
      "text": " I'm not going to mess with you, I'm not going to mess with your hustle. But I need something from this organization over here because I already know I want them up out of here. Too many of them, they're acting wild, they're feeling themselves now that they have higher numbers. I want them up out of here and I know they got a lot of cell phones. Eventually,"
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      "text": " You know, that organization will be able to tell you where they keep in their organ, where they're keeping their cell phones. Right. And you just don't, you got to keep your word now. So if I tell you, Hey, I'm not going to mess with you or any of your brothers, but I need something from these people. And I need it by this day. I'm not, or I'm coming hard on you now. Right. You'll have it. I guarantee you will have it, but you can't act on it because"
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      "text": " Prison has eyes everyone. There's always a fly on the wall. So if they see me talking to this one specific organization, right? Two hours later, you're in this other guy's locker. So I would have an, I would have an officer that who was by the book and he'd be like, how do you know all this? I would never tell him my secret. I would never tell. If I had a thing where someone's telling me something and I messed with you, I would never ever give up your identity. He would always ask me, how are you getting it? How are you getting it? How do you know?"
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      "text": " I'm like, man, I just I just kind of know where they hide things. So go check this area. Go check this area and go check that inmate. It's going to be in this light here or the cinder block underneath or the legal mail because a lot of inmates get it messed up. They hide a lot of stuff in the legal mail thinking that we can't go through the legal mail. First of all, I don't even care if I can't go through the legal mail. I'm going to go through your legal mail and I'm going to write up the deal or whatever it is. Right. And I'm not I didn't find it in legal mail. I found your laundry bag."
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      "end_time": 4518.797,
      "index": 172,
      "start_time": 4493.387,
      "text": " Right. How are you going to prove that once? Yeah, wait, what's your argument? No, no, it was in my legal mail, not my laundry. Right. These dudes are stupid. But so that would be those things right there. To someone who never really been to prison or worked at a prison may look like, oh, they're cell phones or, you know, it is there's there's drugs in there, but it's very it makes it very, very dangerous. And even the extortion makes it dangerous because now now the people that are getting extorted"
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      "text": " They may go to another organization to pay for protection. And now the ones that they're paying may have to do something to the other organization now because now that's their hustle. That's how they make their money. And now you're trying to ruin their hustle. But the other organization looks at is now you're ruining my hustle because I was extorting him. Now you're going to get paid. So now something's very small like that can cause a whole fiasco. People get stabbed and sliced in prison for a lot less than that."
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      "text": " I know you mentioned it just real briefly, but where are some places that they would hide contraband like good places or people, the thing, the average, the place that average Joe wouldn't think about, like where are they hiding these things? So the craziest things that I seen was, um, one inmate had it in, he had a very little small phone. They would call finger phones. They had finger phones and they had some androids that you would like see. But when I was working there, they had the G star finger phones."
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      "text": " Literally, it was about the wide and as long as your finger and you would cut off like a, you know, one of the gloves, like a latex glove and you will put it up in there. Right. And then maybe put it through another, another bag or something. Right. And hide it. And where he was, he was the orderly and I already knew, I already knew that he had the phone because someone gave me an information or else I wouldn't have never found it. So he put it up in the bag and he tied it to the bottom of a mop."
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      "text": " tight and then you put the mop on top of it. And whenever a time officer will come for searches and stuff, he was since he was the house man, he would act like he was going and mop and you would never know where it is because who's going to go check the mop, right? You'll go check the mop closet. You go check the shower. You ain't going to check the mop, right? I mean, at least I'm I'm but I'm going to do so I'm not going to go check a mop. And he had it inside them up. Boom. That's what you're gonna say."
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      "text": " Oh, that happens too. Yeah, that happens. That happens. That happens a lot. But most of the people that have the phones, they don't hold on to it themselves. They have a hold down man. Yeah. Right. So usually it would be older, older, older inmates, because people feel like, oh, no one's really going to go search them. They're old. They're sitting there. No, those are the dudes that still have the mind of a young"
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      "text": " Young convict date is more mature know how to go under the radar not be so loud and put attention on yourself So it would be like in common areas as well. So a lot of inmates didn't like to have the stuff in this cell all the time because They do a lot of searches at this institution. I work that they did a lot of searches. So they will put it in common areas and"
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      "text": " You know, especially in the open Bay dorm, they'll have like a long counter. There's a little taller than this all the way down. I have like eight sinks on one side, eight sinks on the other side, right? And I had like a metal casing. And I somehow they shimmied up and it's kind of genius because the officer station is five feet away. All they have to do is look to the left and they could see in the bathroom and see it. So how they did it, I don't know. And"
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      "text": " They opened it and then they put some type of plywood. So when you open it, you just think that's the framing, right? But that plywood, they must think, I don't even know how they got the plywood, honestly, maybe from the tool card or grounds workers got it, but they had the plywood. And the only reason why we were able to find it is because the plywood wasn't as long as the whole, you know, counter of the of the bathroom. So it was missing about like"
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      "text": " A foot two feet. So we're like if that was the found if that was the wooden framing of this Yeah, it would have covered it right so they're like pull it up and a whole soon as you pulled it up the wood You know plywood that they had it just fell inside and that's where we've we found all the alcohol there was a couple cell phones in there and"
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      "text": " And they had to organize so when they opened it, they know whose is whose is what, like what sink it was in front of. Yeah, but if it's a common area, you can't know whose it is. Right. And the other thing is, so you'll love the guys will have, you know, there's one guy and they're like, and guys are five guys paying that guy to he keeps the keeps the phone for you keeps it charged up, make sure it's available for you all the time. And if he gets hit,"
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      "text": " If his place gets searched and they find the cell phone, he says, that's my cell phone. He's going, he has to go to the shoe. Yeah. He doesn't say, ah, man, that's give me fucking phone or, you know, no, no, no, no, your phone. You're going to the shoe. But he might be getting 100 bucks or 200 bucks from eight different guys. He's making 800 bucks or a thousand dollars a month. He's living really well. Or they just pay him in, you know, drugs. Yeah. Or or he's getting extorted to do it."
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      "text": " A lot of times I've seen that too. They're extorting you to do it. You don't have a choice. This is your safety right here. It's in a way, it's kind of like putting in work. But most of the time- I was going to say, everybody would make sure you were okay too, because if you're holding 10 guys' cell phones, then nobody wants to fuck with you. Exactly. Because if something happens to you, everybody loses their cell phone. Exactly. So that's most of the time. Sometimes you would find more shanks in the cell than the cell phones. I was going to say, in federal prison, it's not related."
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      "text": " If they are getting extorted, it's like friendly extortion at best. Well, at a low, I guess. Yeah, at a low. Right. Yeah. Where they're just paying them. If you're at a low, you probably have a family out there that can send you four or five hundred bucks a month or something. Right. And you pay somebody to hold it. Right. So they'll sell their minutes on their phone. They'll sell."
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      "text": " There's ways that to make money. But so anyway, you were so what's going on? What what happens? What's that? So with that free reigns that I have, I don't even have a captain really to report to kind of just do what I want. Like I said, it was to me. I don't look like I was doing anything wrong. I look at it as I wasn't by the book, but I was I was unorthodox, but it was working because I had the respect from"
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      "text": " the, the, the inmates where they would actually sit down and tell me what's going on. And I would let them handle it themselves if they can, if they can't, then I handle it. But I was getting, it was getting to my head a little bit and this is where ego and I'm young now. And this is where ego starts coming in because I was about like early twenties. Okay. Right. So now the ego comes in and I'm not, I'm not afraid to say it. Ego does come into, into play here. Right. There's a lot of situations that I got where I fought inmates, you know,"
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      "end_time": 4950.333,
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      "text": " Could have been talked out. And I did talk out sometimes, but sometimes I'll just be quick to slap you or punch you or fight, take the belt off and fight you one on one. But this is where my downfall came. I started getting into a lot of uses of forces, but they were undocumented. So I would, I would fight you or slap you or something and it wouldn't go, it wouldn't go documented."
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      "text": " I never put paperwork on you, especially if me and you fought one on one. I would never put paperwork on you. I would just we would shake hands. Sometimes we still said, fuck you. Or if we want to go again, we go again. Or sometimes we still didn't like each other. But nine times out of 10, we had an understanding. We might not have liked each other, but we have an understanding that that I'm going to do what I have to do. And you can do what you have to do. But if it's in the way of my hustle, you're done. Right. But I was getting way too reckless where"
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      "text": " the warden, all the higher ups were telling me, hey, you need to take a chill pill, you're on the radar way too much. And I got put under investigation by the OIG, Office of Inspector General, that's like SIS. Okay, but no way near as trained as SIS. It's their their joke. So they will come say, hey, you're under investigation. And they would"
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      "text": " Kind of read you like a kind of a Miranda, right? But not really, because you're not really under arrest, but you're under investigation. And you have to go in the room, you don't have to talk, but you have to go in the room and hear them say whatever they have to say. And half the time I'd be like, where's the paperwork? Well, you don't have any paperwork. Well, then why the fuck am I here? Because nothing obviously happened. Well, these are guys as you're listening to inmates, right?"
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      "text": " Right. I'm in charge of STG. They don't like me because I can ship them or I sent their brother somewhere. They don't like me. Obviously they're going to make up stuff. So if you don't have any proof of anything, why am I sitting here? And they, they did not like me. They're the ones who end up actually getting the FBI involved because inmates were getting, there was hits hits on inmates. No one died or anything like that. Where the OIG, he knew everything and inmates were snitching. Right."
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      "text": " Because when they had a good if something happened and the hit went and it took place and that inmates in this in PC until he gets transferred out, he would I guess enough of them want to the OIG and started and started telling them everything that I'm working with this gang. So they thought I was involved in an organization. But after I was arrested and everything, I spoke to the FBI. They thought at first I was a part of an organization. But then they realized"
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      "text": " What was the issue that got the FBI involved? So a lot of the gang hits, like murders?"
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      "text": " Not murders for per se, but they would be some serious repercussions or inmates are getting stabbed up a couple of times, they're getting hit up, they're getting sent, you know, out and where the prisons are, usually they're not close to town. So they got to get airlifted out. So a lot of inmates were getting airlifted out and it was getting out of hand. I was getting a little out of hand with letting shit slide and, you know, putting putting my hands on on some of these inmates myself."
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      "text": " I was I was so out of control where I would walk through a dorm looking for an inmate And if I had to go piss or something, I would just go piss right in yourself Right, like you should just try just piss right in yourself. Not even flush the toilet like I was getting I was getting a little too a little too out of hand and all the staff knew it and They would literally tell me. Oh, you're on the radar. Please slow the hell down Whatever you're doing just slow down and I didn't listen And I should have listened. I remember this like yesterday. I was getting a haircut from an inmate"
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      "text": " And the staff has their own barber, staff barber, that's an orderly, but I didn't go to him. He was like, no dude, can't do a fade or nothing. So I had an inmate that I put into the barbershop. So it would be middle of rec. I swear to God, it would be middle of rec. I would walk into the barbershop, kick the inmate out that's getting a haircut, sit in the chair and tell the dude to give me, give me a haircut. Okay. And that's just like, you know, that's just my mentality. I was young and I was reckless. Literally whatever I thought to do, I would do it."
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      "text": " And eventually I got it smart where I would be, you know, smart where if I was going to hit this in me or I was going to fight this in there or whatever it was, I would do it in a place where no one can see. But there would be sometimes it would just be blatant in front of the middle of the in the middle of, you know, the walkway where all the dorms are or classification window was I was I was starting to let"
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      "text": " You know, my method, my way and the fact that I had so much leeway on whatever I wanted to do, I was letting it get to me and that was my downfall was that. So I'll tell you how this can go bad. I don't really know how it went bad at this point, but in Coleman, there was a lieutenant, big guy, he's like six foot six. He was married to"
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      "text": " whatever, I don't know if it was a lieutenant or cap, I don't know what she was, but she was in the shoe at the pen, female. And, you know, the, you know, they work the shoe, right? Like, it's a it's a long hallway with a bunch of cells, you can feed people through the cells, the flat through the yeah, through the flap."
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      "text": " And so really these guys almost and in Coleman they have a shower and a sink toilet combo right so you really never have to leave that cell and they're supposed to leave like once I don't know if it's once a day to get 30 minutes or maybe it's one once a week to get 30 minutes or an hour of rec whatever well there was an inmate"
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      "text": " that was constantly giving this woman a hard time. I mean, talking shit, you know, just calling her names or saying really just being super disrespectful. And she really got irritated. I want to say he might have tried to grab her once through the cell, something happened. He was being a dick. And there was another inmate, super nice guy, big guy, huge guy. And so"
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      "text": " One day she's walking down and I may have this slightly off. You've heard this before. I think so. She's walking down and one of the big guy who's been super cool to her very respectful says to her or he's being moved or something and he says either she tells him or he tells her"
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      "text": " Let me take care of that guy for let put me in that in the cell, right? I want to say maybe she might have said what regardless, I don't know which route which you know, I know that we had always heard one thing, you know, she said something else, right? Which was you know, that he's the inmate had always said that she went to him and said, I'm gonna put you in that cell, break his fucking arm. You know, I want you to break this guy's off. He did right now, of course, he you know, she says no, he asked to be put in the cell, whatever, either way, it was"
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      "text": " For you to move this guy in this guy's cell for whatever reason it was, it was completely inappropriate. 100%. But she moves him into the cell. The guy gets in there. His intent is I'm going to break the guy's arm. And what he but the guy struggles. He doesn't want his arm broken. So the big guy gets him into a fucking choke hold and ends up choking him to death and breaks his neck. And all of this"
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      "text": " the conversations, the back and forth, the everything is on video. So you've got an inmate who this guy's given her a hard time every time she goes by one day he's given her a hard time. She literally goes across the hall says something to the fucking guy. He cuffs up takes him puts him in this fucking cell, you know, cuffs up everything very obvious what what happened something's wrong. And"
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      "text": " So the FBI, there's a murder. It was a murder. The FBI has come to actual crime scene. FBI comes in questions the big guy. What happened? Keep on there are other inmates who have heard the conversation. All these inmates are more than willing to say, yes, this female CEO was being given a hard time. She stuck that guy in. I'll say it. I heard the whole fucking thing. I'd like to get out of prison. So when the FBI charges her, they indict her."
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      "end_time": 5461.8,
      "index": 208,
      "start_time": 5440.452,
      "text": " She dies at the whole way through. That's not what happened. Okay. Well, that's not what everybody else says. And it sure as fuck looks like that's what happened on the video. They come to her and they say they give her what I think is a sweetheart deal 10 years giving you 10 years you go to prison for 10 years. That's a gift. You know, let's face it. We didn't murder. We didn't lose a veteran."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 5492.142,
      "index": 209,
      "start_time": 5462.176,
      "text": " You didn't lose a patriot here, right? You lost an inmate that's got a life fucking sentence and is a piece that is just we do that is right. She doesn't take it. She goes to trial. She gets like, I don't know, I was either 45 years or life. I think she got a life sentence. I'm not sure. It's a life sentence. Her. Keep in mind, her. Lieutenant she was married to saw him every day. Big, big, huge, nice guy, you know, right? And we stern but a big guy. Yeah, his fucking wife is locked up."
    },
    {
      "end_time": 5517.398,
      "index": 210,
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      "text": " three states over for the rest of her fucking life. So I'm saying that's the the fear is that those types of hey, I'm gonna let you do this and you're thinking they're gonna beat his ass or they're the fear is obviously that's what I'm saying that no, why is it so serious that these two guys get into a fight? They're in two different gangs. This gang is being whatever this guy disrespected this guy this guy borrowed money and owes this money. I'm gonna let him fight it out. The fear is"
    },
    {
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      "text": " He stabs him to death, you put this guy in a situation where he ends up getting murdered, or get stabbed, you know, and I know when you say getting stabbed, because I've been in prison, right? One of my stories is the first day I was in prison was, was that the the fucking you know, they do a lockdown, they start screaming, the PA is going off their lockdown, lockdown. And my celly comes to me is like, I just got in there, but I've been there a couple hours. He's like, Yo, yo, bro, we got to go in the"
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      "text": " in the cell. I'm like, what's going on? He goes, someone got stabbed in the in the rec yard. I was like, someone just got killed in the backyard. He goes, no, no, they just stabbed them up a little bit. I remember he did this. Right. Yeah. Would you realize first time I'd ever seen that, you know, now if somebody saw I saw that somebody do that, I'd be like, oh, they're gonna somebody's gonna get stabbed. Right. And he goes, stab them up a little bit. I was like, come in a place where they say stab them up a little bit like that's but I realized they don't they're stabbing you with a knife that's something like this big. They don't want you to die."
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      "text": " I want to stab you a few times. I want you to get it. Take it off the compound, right? That's what I'm hoping. That's exactly it. They said, Hey, do you want to murder this guy? You want this guy to die? Fuck? No, I don't want to die. I just want to stab him a few times so that it looks really bad."
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      "text": " He's bleeding, he looks like he's been stabbed, he goes to the fucking hospital, he gets medevaced out, goes to the hospital, he never comes back here. That's my goal. Not to kill him. Exactly. I just need him the fuck out of here. Right. I have a question. So as a CEO, like you trying to get rid of some guys, like, you don't have the ability to just file some paperwork and send them somewhere else? No."
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      "text": " That is a sergeant. You don't have that and you still need some type of due process like you need something to say. Why is is he a problem? What's happening? Especially if he hasn't been locked up any DC disciplinary confinement, you know shots or anything like that. You can't you can't get"
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      "text": " Because the problem is Florida doesn't have that many prisons in the federal system. You could you could actually say that he threatened you or something like that in the federal system and they'll they'll take them. They probably can ship them, right? But it's it's Florida. How many prisons are there? How many places can he go? Right. And how many times can I use that excuse? Yeah. You know, I mean, I'm the guy who's shipping people all over the fucking place. Right. Because I very rarely wrote a wrote a wrote a D.R. Very rarely. I was I wasn't my style. I was going to get you out a different way. You know,"
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      "end_time": 5691.783,
      "index": 217,
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      "text": " I was going to get you out a different way, or have someone else get you out a different way. So what ends up what ends up happening? Like, how does this go bad? So what what actually happened had nothing to do with with the gang thing at all. I went to a backup call, they were requesting assistance. And I don't know, I very rarely went to them, to be honest with you. But this one day, I guess I was nearby, I went and"
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      "text": " There was one Y.O. unit there, a useful offender unit. But here's the thing, it was not like 12, 13 year olds. It was like 21 to 24. Because here in Florida, I don't know why, but you can still be a Y.O. at 24 years old. So if you get charged for the first time at 24, most likely you'd be charged as an adult. But like if you got charged when you were like 18 as a Y.O. and you got sent to a couple of years, you're still considered a Y.O. up until 24."
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      "text": " So this was a dorm that's introducing them instead of outside of the y-o Dorm to the main to a main compound. So now they're in a dorm But they don't eat at the same time and their dorm is sectioned off with gates Right, right. So they're still on the compound, but they're not really a part of the compound. I never even stepped foot in there I never even talked to a while even if I heard oh, you know, you got to go check this y-o out because I'm STG related I won't even go talk to him"
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      "text": " I don't care what he's claiming. I'm not going to waste my time. So I went there for assistance. And I had an officer that was kind of like not under my wing, but I worked with him. I was just a higher rank than him, you know, but I don't look at him any less or anything."
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      "text": " And he would put in a lot of a lot of work. He was he was he was kind of on a radar to FBI radar. I don't know, but definitely OIG radar, which is internal affairs. Right. So because he was he was he would be quick, like maybe for no reason to do something to you. Like if if you were in need of help, he's definitely one person that you would want there for him. I'll give him that. Right. So he happened to be there and it was all female staff."
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      "text": " at the dorm and these inmates were going wild. And these are some big dudes. When I talk about a little skinny 24 year old, we're talking about some big, some big, some big kids, you know, that been in the system a while. And some of the y o camps here in Florida are just as vicious as the main prison. Well, if he's 23 or 24, he's a fucking adult. If he's over 18, he's an adult. That's how I looked at it. But in Florida, under 24, certain certain circumstances, you're still considered a while. But that really has nothing to do with if he was a while or not. But"
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      "text": " I was just explaining that he came in that door. That's what the dorm he went to. So they were they were being disrespectful to two female officers talking crazy. So he he the officer I was with he said to the female officers, what do you want? What do you want to do? So she said, just talk to them, see what happens, right? So she gives the officer the key to go into a mob closet outside of the door. Stats to the building, but"
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      "text": " In its own little room in a mop closet outside. So you have to literally walk outside the dorm and against the building somewhere on the cut is a door for a mop closet for the cleaning supplies. So we take them in there and we start talking to them. And there's one, there's three inmates in there and it's me and this officer. And this one inmate starts is like laughing. And I'm surprised that the officer I'm with is actually being nice. You know what I'm saying? Usually he's quick."
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      "text": " Punch someone, hit him on the radio or something. I have a crazy story about him and me and him later. But so we go into the we go into the mouth cousin and now I'm just getting pissed at this inmate. It doesn't realize how lucky he is right now that this officer that isn't doing it. So. I slap him. But he wants to fight, so I'm like, all right, so I had the officer take the other two inmates out."
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      "text": " And I give him my my my belt. I should have never have done that because now that made it obvious because now. I don't even have my belt on me, right? You know, because it's a better story had you had the bell, right? And I wasn't even put no paperwork on him, but it got too out of hand too quick. Too many people came and seen. I like I said, I never worked that dorm. I didn't know so many people come in and out of that dorm, right? So. If I don't want to one and. Now."
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      "text": " My officer comes inside and he's starting to talk. The inmate's starting to talk shit to him. So I'm telling everyone just to calm the fuck down because I'm not liking it now. Now is this too much screaming? It's too close. I don't know the other two officers that well. So then the officer, he starts hitting him, beating the shit out of him with a broomstick. And he's still talking crazy. So then I take I take the broomstick from the officer."
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      "index": 228,
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      "text": " And I get pissed and I just thought, I said, fuck it. We here. It's already I'm already need need shit. I'm going in and I just started beating the shit out of him with the broomstick and beat the shit out of him. Too many people seen it. The female officer seen he was all fucked up. Right. I didn't put paperwork on him. I could have saved my ass if I would have said he attacked me."
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    {
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      "index": 229,
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      "text": " I could just made up something, but I didn't want to do that to the kid I thought he was you know, he seemed like a like a real dude He was talking how he was living and he wanted to fight like straight up like nothing bitch about this kid at all, you know, right so Next thing I know two weeks later. Everyone's talking Everyone's talking about what happened. I'm like, you know how to fuck the people know The officer got afraid and went to the OIG the dude that does not like me"
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      "end_time": 6046.527,
      "index": 230,
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      "text": " Because I've been interviewed by him by many times and I told him he would ask some stupid ass questions. I would clown him. Like I would tell him to go blow his father and like I would be cold in the warden's office the next day. What are you doing? Come on. Like like what are you doing? You're already doing something. You're not supposed to now. You're just insulting this guy. Tell him to blow his father. Calm down. You know, but I just didn't like him and I would just I would just clown him. So now he has a heart on for me."
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      "index": 231,
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      "text": " Right. And he definitely, he got the better of me all these, all these years of me clowning him. He won at the end of the day. I got to give it to him. So he contacts the FBI. I'm on, I'm on, um, no inmate contact, meaning that I can't work the compound no more. I can't be around no inmates. So I'm in the mail room. Okay. I'm in a mail room, right? Like wearing regular civilian clothes, just work in the mail room."
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      "text": " A week goes by, two weeks go by, three weeks go by. And so was the officer who was with me. He's in the male room with me. Right. So, you know, and you don't know that he went to the, you don't know that he went to the OIG. I didn't know that the OIG went to the FBI. Okay. No one knows. Right. You don't know that he went to OIG. No, he didn't. One of the female officers that we responded to, she went to the OIG. Oh, I thought the other officer. No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. No, she went, she's seen what everything that happened, heard, talked to the inmates, everything."
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      "text": " She went to a classification officer that I didn't even know was brand new. And then she told her to go to the OIG. So now everyone fucking knows about this. I'm hearing about it and I'm denying it. Like, I don't know what you're talking about. Right. So we're in the mail room. A couple of weeks go by when I called into the OIG office, which is weird because usually you called in real quick. Right. He doesn't call me in this time. So now that gets me scared. I'm like, oh, all the shit I did."
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      "index": 234,
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      "text": " This is what I'm going to get hemmed up for. So. I actually end up leaving for the Department of Corrections. What you quit? No, no. I mean, yeah, I put my resignation, but not because of that. I was like on no contact for like maybe six, four months, five months. So I'm thinking. They're just it's it's going to blow over. I haven't even been contacted. No one knows anything. We're good. So I mean, I moved to Detroit, Michigan. And"
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      "text": " I applied for a police officer spot and got it. I was in the Academy. I was like the class president. It was like crazy. I kind of like I kind of like had my same ways like like but I was like kind of changing my ways like realizing that kind of that last situation kind of scare me. So I'm like this kind of be by the book this time like, you know, let's be by the book. Let's not"
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      "text": " Run things the wrong way. Let's just go. And if someone, you know, does something I'm not supposed to like, I don't like, or disrespects me, let's just be by the book. I'm going to go home at the end of the day. That stuff I did in Florida. We're leaving it behind. You know, let's use it instead of using, you know, fighting muscle. Let's use your brain now. Let's Brendan, let's use your brain, which is kind of hard for me to do sometimes, but let's use your brain. So I'm doing, I'm doing excellent. I'm excelling. Like I'm doing excellent."
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      "text": " And then one day I got called by my corporal, yo, someone's here to see you. I'm in my classroom and I got called down and it's what you think it was. I don't know. I really didn't know. I'm like, who the hell is here to see me? Like, you know, so I go down and there's four dudes and suits and jackets because this is winter time and"
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      "text": " The one dude who's doing the talking, he reached out his hand, shook my hand and said, how you doing? I'm like, what's going on? He's like, I'm here with the Southern District of Florida FBI, Special Agent King, something like that. Oh, he said special agent from Southern District of Florida. I'm like, you didn't think he was coming about the application you'd put in?"
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      "end_time": 6291.323,
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      "text": " I was already in the academy. I know, right? I did apply for the FBI. Do you guys usually come out? I was like, Oh, you guys are here to recruit me. I don't know what he's there for. I know it's not good, but I don't know what situation because there's so many damn situations, right? You know, I don't know what gang member maybe cooperated now and he's taking down everybody with him. So I don't know what he's there for. Right. So they start asking,"
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      "end_time": 6321.8,
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      "text": " Simple questions at first, because this is where I shouldn't have even talked at all. I didn't give no information even about myself, like about myself. But I was just asking. I was answering some questions. They started off with, oh, how long have you been with the Florida Department of Corrections? I said, well, I'm no longer with them. Obviously, I'm here in Detroit working with, you know, trying to be a police officer over here. And they were this like like men's like I was making little jokes, like kind of sarcastic jokes, and they weren't going with it. They meant business, you know?"
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      "text": " And then in the middle of asking questions, sometimes I have ADD, right? So I'm like, yo, how'd you get the gun? He's asking me serious question. I'm like, yo, how'd you get your gun here? They go on the plane with that. And like, they all looked at each other, like, what does this dude asking these students question? And they just ignored it and asked the question again. So I already knew I was kind of testing on like, I already knew they were here for business. So they started asking me how long were you in the Florida Department of Corrections? Do you know, um,"
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      "text": " They were just asking me certain names that had nothing to do with the incident. Like even as a witness, they were just asking. I guess they interviewed to see what type of officer I was and stuff like that. And then they started saying, so where were you? Um, I forgot the date. Maybe March 24th that happened or something. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't even know where I was last night. I can't answer where I was. And then they started saying, do you know? Um, and they named the inmates name."
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      "index": 243,
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      "text": " I said, I know a lot of inmate. That's a popular last name. And then they said, were you ever in Charlie dorm? That's the dorm. I knew it. Now I know what they're here for. And they and then I was like, Oh, I don't remember. I was all over the place. And then they were like, so tell me what you did in Department of Correct. We see here you were in charge of STG."
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      "text": " um and you had um a lot of accomplishments i was like yeah i did they were like how'd you get those accomplishments it's like well i guess you worked hard they're like oh that's what you want to call it no cheat codes the exact word cheat codes i'm like what's a cheat code i came to work every day and i did what i had to do they were like okay and um so"
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      "text": " You don't know anything about that dorm. So now they left the STG conversation. They went back to the Charlie dorm and said, no, I said, Hey, the question and my witness or a target here. And they sarcastically like chuckled and was like, uh, you're a target, right? Like you're a target, bro. I was like, ah, well, I really don't really want to speak anymore. Then, um, I can't really help you out. I don't remember anything about March 24th or"
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      "text": " about charlie dorm i really can't answer that i was like but if you have you know they're like hey we have some video footage um we know you don't want us to talk you don't have to talk would you like to see some video footage i said what so you can see my reaction i said no matter what i'm gonna laugh so"
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      "text": " You know, like this is a joke. I said, this is a fucking joke. Now I start getting a little fucking like pissed off. I'm like, you fucking come here and I'm in the middle of this Academy. You come here now. How am I going to explain to this? I was like, you're fine. I was like, who the fuck does this? You have nothing else better to do."
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      "start_time": 6487.312,
      "text": " They come here and ask stupid ass questions. I was like, I don't fucking know. I was like, I don't want to see a fucking video because they had a laptop. I was like, go back to fucking Florida. And and they were like, well, we are. And here's our card. And I was like, no, fuck your card. And I just like, take the car and I went through it. Should have never done that. Should have never done that. And then they're like, I suggest you contact the lawyer because we'll definitely be in touch. And"
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      "text": " Next thing you know, I contact my lawyer and I had to go meet with them. And we didn't do no talking then. We just wanted to go see, because my lawyer was like, hey, and you know, there's no video footage in the mob closet, right? I was like, no, I was like, there's hardly any cameras anywhere, really, to be honest, just going into the dorm and inside the dorm, nothing happened. And he was like, alright, so"
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      "text": " Do they show you going? I was like, I don't know where the cameras are, but I don't think it even shows you going into the dining. I mean, into the mob closet. It just shows you coming in the dorm and out of the dorm. That's it. Right. Which ended up being true. He's like, so I think they just shake. We got to go meet with them just to see if they're shaking the tree. They said some, like I said, I didn't do no talking. One of the OIG was in that meeting with the FBI and the prosecutor."
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      "text": " and they said some things that I already knew I was fucked. Well, like certain inmates that I let, you know, get ran off the yard. Right. One time I had it and this was brought up and I knew about this and I should have listened to the inmate and I let it slide. One day I go into a dorm and I'm talking to"
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      "end_time": 6623.183,
      "index": 252,
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      "text": " One of the heads of this organization and he's telling me something about another organization and I was in a cell. I thought it was his cell. He just thought that I searched the cell and it's fine to go and talk to. So we're both thinking that the cell is okay. I'm thinking it was a confusion. Well there was a little ass inmate in the bed under the covers where it's flat you can't see. Heard the whole thing."
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      "text": " Something I was gonna go down. I can't remember exactly it was it was it was definitely a beating us of some sorts of within the organization and He heard the whole thing This in me and he went singing about it that I'm I'm dirty I'm letting things and that's I guess how it started where Or helped the FBI and OIG think that I was running with these gangs when I really wasn't right and that even came up"
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      "text": " Okay, like that conversation happened where well we have inmates that heard conversations that you're allowing certain things to happen and and contraband to be brought in and I'm bringing in concert that that was an accusation of mine. I never once I would admit it. I have nothing to hide. Right? I would never brought in contraband ever in my life."
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      "text": " But you know how inmates are gets the one inmate and yeah, yeah, it gets better and right story gets better and better every time so tells it so they knew a lot of things of like of organizations being ran off the yard. So they were trying to hit me with like a conspiracy for like multiple civil rights violations. Meanwhile, I'm like, I don't know how the hell they knew it, but they can't they can't prove that right because they were going to take"
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      "end_time": 6723.558,
      "index": 256,
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      "text": " Someone someone's word even if you hit me with the conspiracy of not actually doing it hit me with the conspiracy. You gonna take an image word right now officers saying they heard it then that's a different story. So i ended up ultimately cop in a plea for one count of deprivation of civil rights for the mop closet incident."
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      "index": 257,
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      "text": " So what happened what so after your lawyer and you sat down you heard all the information so they didn't have so they didn't give all our evidence okay they didn't give all the evidence but they would say certain things and we would say hey can we have a couple minutes and he says that what he's saying true i said yeah he said how many times have you done certain things like this i said dude for years i don't know right you know then they come back in they continue so eventually so eventually you leave"
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      "text": " You get indicted or your lawyer just goes back and says, look, you know, well, what are you going to indict him for? And then they say, we're going to hit him for these six things. And he says, look, let's get it down to one count of like, did you waive the indictment or did you get indicted? So I waived the indictment because of I was trying to say, no, let them indict me. I don't know. He said, dude, that's a bad idea because he literally said to me, he says, what, all these indictments, I don't know the exact numbers, but you're facing anywhere."
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      "text": " You know, from 10 to 30 for each count of this of these charges. He said, can you do that time? And I'm very real about myself, right? I don't try to be a tough guy. I don't try to be, you know, something that I'm not. I am not living like that. I'm not. We've been federal, but much better than the state. But even that I'm not I am not living like that."
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      "text": " I'm not trying, like you said, I'm not trying to kill nobody. Right. I'm not trying to try to go do 10 years and come. No, no. Yeah. I mean, it sucks, you know, but it does suck. It does. It's the worst feeling in the world. But the worst feeling in the world is not knowing your fate."
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      "end_time": 6851.596,
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      "text": " Yeah, yeah. Are you going to get arrested or you're not going to get arrested? I don't know how people live like that for years. I wouldn't I wouldn't be I would be emotional wreck. Well, you know, my my one of my co-defendants actually went got a lawyer like she was never going to be indicted nothing ever and she went got a lawyer because it had been so long that she was waiting to be indicted because there kept being newspaper articles talking about indicting her all these people. Right? He knew she was one of the main people went got a lawyer went down to the FBI office that I want to talk I want to tell I want to plead guilty. I want to tell you everything that happened."
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      "index": 262,
      "start_time": 6851.852,
      "text": " She got 30 months, she only went for like 18 or 20, you know, because they put her in a halfway house. But they were like, they would have never indicted everybody else. Everybody else who said I didn't do anything Matt did they they all told on me. But then they said I wasn't aware of this. None of those people got indicted."
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      "text": " once she was sentenced, you know, they had the letter, she got to turn herself in, right? She actually was she had like, like they were gonna, they told her, well, as you show up, it was like three months later, she called down to the camp to arrange to arrange a tour of the camp. And the guard was like, I'm sorry, what? And she's like, Yeah, I'm gonna, I just got 30 months, I'm gonna be down there about three months, I'd like to go and kind of you know, where I'm going, like I'd like to"
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      "text": " There's the fucking tour. I wouldn't even know how to answer that if I was on the other end of the phone. She's like, is it Airbnb? Anyway, yeah. So but that chick ended up going to, I mean, she did, I guess eventually, right. She did get the tour. She got the tour. Got the tour, right? Right. Got the extended stay. But yeah, you made the right move not letting him indict you because it would have been worse. Yeah, it would have been worse. Yeah. But the whole time, I'm like,"
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      "text": " Right, right. I growing up, I kind of quit if things got hard, I was a quitter, I quit things. I would leave relationships, I would move on to the next relationship. I always lied. I wasn't faithful. It just in anything in life. I wasn't faithful."
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      "text": " anything, I was just always mask it as a defense mechanism to not deal with the problems or reality. And it took me a long time, I'm not gonna lie, it took me a long time to really sit down and really look in the mirror and be like, yo, do you want to be a jerk off your life? Or do you want to actually like account for something like be a good person, actually care for people, go, go and talk to these academies and, and tell them everything that you did to not"
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      "text": " glorify it, but to make sure that they don't walk in the same step as you ego and you know, like, just having an attitude and not caring for people because compassion and life goes a long way. Right? You know, did you did you feel do you feel like what like when did you have that conversation? Were you in prison? Or did you was it once you got out of prison? Oh, once I got out of prison. I'm not I'm not gonna lie, maybe, maybe not even a year of feeling like this. You know, I burned a lot of bridges in my life with a lot of people that were good to me."
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      "text": " And I just had an epiphany one day, like, maybe stop being a scumbag. It's not working for you. Right. Let's let's actually, you know, care for people. So be compassionate, because it really does go a long way. You know, I was gonna say, I, by the time I figured that in prison, I was in prison."
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      "text": " i still have like seven or eight years to go it's like no no i'm all better now i'm we can but i still have seven years of prison i'm like maybe not act like an asshole the rest of my fucking life you know in one of your other podcasts you said something that really like resonated with me that really like hit me right okay"
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      "text": " You said someone said man it was an along the lines that it's an honor to be here and it's a privilege and I look up to you or something along the lines like that and you you said you're gonna get me all fucked up bro yeah you don't like that yeah right and you don't feel like you're worthy enough for that right but that said a lot about you like I'm reading you and I said that said a lot about and that's why"
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      "text": " I stayed in contact with you talking until this until this day because it's not just because you have a high following or you're popular, you know, and it's not because you're successful because I seen inside side of you. I seen something for you to say you don't feel worthy enough. It wasn't because you don't have self-confidence in yourself, right? You know, you're intelligent, you know, you can do anything that you put your mind to. You know that no one here has to tell you that but that said a lot about you as a person."
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      "text": " very selfless thing for you to say and and that's why what attracted me to you so much is because it by you saying those little words really like I felt a connection with you because sometimes I wish I don't feel worthy enough if I had that platform or just in general but it's because I wasn't really living that that way and that also helped me think like"
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      "text": " Let me be worthy of that. Let me change my life to be worthy of that where I can help people. I can give advice. I know what it's like to be to be down, you know, and now I live my life where I'm I was down. The only place I have to go is up. And if elevators broke up, I'm going to take the stairs like and I want to bring everyone with me up and not just financially, just spiritually, emotionally, just be a kind hearted person. But"
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      "text": " That really resonated with me when I heard you say that on the last couple of podcasts ago or whatever it was. Yeah. Jason Brewer. Yeah, that was a podcast. Yeah. Yeah, it was horrible. It was a horrible podcast, bro. He had me fucking just all in tears. Yeah. But yeah. But it showed a different side of you. It showed a different side of you. Yeah. You know, it showed that. Well, it's easier to be to act like a prick all the time."
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      "text": " I'm saying you're coming off as a tough guy. Yeah, you know, yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm a tough guy. But yeah, yeah, like, yeah. Yeah, I know what you're saying. You're trying to mess something. Yeah. So yeah, he's Yeah, that was"
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      "text": " agonizing. I would much rather laugh and joke around and have, you know what I'm saying? And me too, but sometimes you need that to be put your life into perspective. Oh, no, you definitely need it to put your life into to be humble and appreciative of everything you have because you know, it's funny too, because when you have everything, you're less appreciative than when you have nothing. Oh, isn't that funny? It's crazy. You know, I read a book in prison,"
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      "text": " And it was a lady that was in Auschwitz and she became a psychologist forgot a name really bad name, but she says a Man doesn't know what's worth until he hits rock bottom, right? You don't know what you're about to you hit rock bottom and everyone's rock bottom is different But you really learn about yourself when you're at rock bottom. Yeah, I Definitely believe that it's"
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      "text": " It's interesting on how we all take, you know, take all these experiences in, you know, but you just got to learn from and you got to help the next person. Right. So how long have you been out of prison? I got out in early 2020 end of 2019. Okay. Well, I mean, so what what are you doing now though? To be honest, I haven't really done a whole lot. Right? Like I said, I"
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      "text": " What are you doing for a living? Construction. Okay. So I'm okay with on that aspect financially, but just finding myself finding that inner peace just I was years of masking and denying and I never really got to know who Brendan is. So I'm still trying right now to learn who I am right now as a person, honestly. So and I know it's a process, but that's what I'm doing right now. Yeah, I was gonna say the"
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      "text": " Kevin with the suffering podcast, it was him and another guy. They both been in a police shooting separately. Oh, and they both took early retirement because you know, it affected them, right? Okay. And so they started this podcast to basically say, hey, there's got there's, there's officers out there that are suffering, you know, this was a suffering podcast. And listen, they came here,"
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      "text": " Mike Dowd?"
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      "text": " He said the day before, talking, laughing, having a good old time. Went home, stuck a fucking gun in his mouth and blew his fucking brains out. Had plans. Next Tuesday, I'll be there on the podcast. Everything's great. Everything's wonderful. That's terrible. You never know what someone's going through. That's unfortunate. And you can listen, choked and laugh the whole time. One of my favorite clips is where they were on a podcast and they were talking."
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      "text": " and he said he gets asked he gets at kevin said he gets asked all the time like you know you've been around all these guys these murderers and serial killers and real criminals and and um he said uh they said what's the the most the scariest guy you've ever been around and he said yeah he said matt cox"
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      "text": " And he goes, what? And he said, he said, Listen, this is the kind of guy that shake your hands be great with you just a great guy. And just on a whim, take every single thing you've got from you and walk away and not think twice. He said, I mean, it's, it's terrifying. He's I remember when I left his podcast, he said, I remember I checked my wallet. And I said, that guy is absolutely fucking terrifying. And I mean, and then the other guy Mike jumps in, he's absolutely is because he could use the problem is, is that he can do it."
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      "text": " I'm showing people and they're just, I'm like, look, listen to this. And they're just like, oh, bro, that's horrible. I'm like, that's hilarious. Like that's great. I made a TikTok. We put it on the fucking thing. Good thing for me. I didn't bring my wallet. It was funny. So why, why would you do this job? Like, like if the money, you're not making that much extra, you're not making extra money on the side, right?"
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      "text": " No. Yeah. It's like, why, why would you put yourself or why would anybody put themselves through all of this? You know what I mean? It just seems like, like you get so caught up in it, like you're, I'm doing this, this guy, this guy. And I'm thinking to myself, where's the benefit? Why would I do this? You know what I mean? Like what, what you personally, what was your mindset? What did you ever think to yourself? Like, why am I putting myself in these situations or were you caught up in it? You enjoyed it. Do you have a goal? I never, I never really"
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      "text": " Thought about like, why am I putting myself into it? Because at the time, like I said, I was I was in the moment. I was enjoying it. I was, you know, known and I had all these like responsibilities and some of it was a little crazy sometimes, you know, and it was an adrenaline rush, you know, the fact that, you know, you can"
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      "text": " prevent a whole war from happening or you can start a war from happening or you can help the person, you know, like just totally change their life because not everything about me there was was badass. You know, I would sit and talk to inmates to try to help them."
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      "text": " I'm not saying I try to help everyone and that's the reason why I had this job. No, it was just a job and I ended up just getting too into it. And then me being reckless and impulsive, I'm very impulsive. It was like I had no consequences."
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      "text": " You know, at the end I did. Yeah, up until you did. Right. Up until I did, but I was just free to do whatever the fuck I wanted. And if it's loved, you know, everyone loved it, including the higher ups. Until the moment I was indicted, then it's like, oh, he was a rogue. He was rogue, man. I couldn't control him. Yeah. Thank God you guys got here. Like what? You would call me and tell me you want this dude up out of here and he's up out of here. And I would look from you and what a smile. Like I'm a"
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      "text": " You know, I was just being used, realistically, you know. Yeah, I was gonna say it's, to me, I didn't even think to ask that because it's an awesome question. Because to me, it's like, I can, I understand, I can understand that because at first, you know, I could say, Oh, I was committing fraud because of the money."
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      "text": " okay so your first thing is if i could just get like 100 grand then it's half a million then it's a million then it's two then it's three then you don't then the movie you just forget about that and what you've just decided is that i enjoy doing what i'm doing and everybody loves me and it's it's a great feeling of power when you walk in the room and there's seven or eight guys go but matt can i ask you a question about this real quick you're the guy with the answers you're the guy that make things happen you're the guy that's pulling all the strings you"
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      "text": " Invincible you're old and you've heard you've heard those guys like the guy that says you got the other day that we were talking to or we did the interview and he said I every time I would you know, he's like I started feeling just emboldened by the experience. So it's not the money."
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      "text": " You know, it's and I say it's the powers of that feeling of power. Maybe it's just that feeling of being important and loved by everybody. And you know, you're important. I'm the guy that can make everything happen. It's not about the money, especially once you get the money. There's like, well, why are you doing it now? You've got the money, right? Because I just love that that feeling of being the guy that's calling all the shots. It's filling a void of something we may not even be able to determine on what it is, but it's a void inside of us."
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      "text": " Maybe that we keep just doing what we're doing because it's feeling that void. Yeah, you know, like I said, that's nice. Yeah, that's my really only question. You address the other one because I was going to say and I figured you would you would bring a full circle because I read the comments on the Chad marks interview. I was going to say like, what would you say to your haters like to the people that are saying like this guy's a piece of shit like all this kind of stuff. But you kind of like, you know, you bring it full circle with"
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      "text": " Kind of like, you know, your new perspective though. Right. Yeah. And were there a lot, there was a lot of hate. There really wasn't many, but sometimes I like to try to predict like what people might think. Right. There was, there was actually, I was actually very surprised. There was more people that actually supported it and was like, he's a real dude. He's telling the truth than the haters. Now for the haters, you know,"
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      "text": " It is gonna hate I can't I can't make everybody like me You know, and if you feel that way if you feel like I'm lying, you know These you guys these dudes do paperwork paperwork checks, you know nothing I said everything I said is authentic and like again, it's not to be a tough guy I've been beat up plenty of times where it may laugh at it, but they you know, I'll get there and it's not about that it's just a respect thing, you know, and Well, you know I was gonna say is"
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      "text": " I think people that haven't been to prison, and I always love the guys who went to county jail for six months and think they've been to prison. You went to fucking county jail. You didn't go to prison. It's completely different. But the rules that are set up, they can't keep things calm."
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      "text": " You know, I'm saying like you can't you can't expect that the rules of the prison will keep things on an even keel, you know, and you see the staff massaging the situation constantly, you know, and sometimes they'll they'll be super strict. But then things get so erratic. They it's like the tighter, you know, you've heard that the tighter you squeeze, the more things slip through your fingers. Exactly. And so it's it's better to sometimes you have to massage things. And but then some people, like I said,"
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      "text": " in that one chick is like this guy's such a problem i'm gonna have this guy beat his ass and then he'll learn his lesson and he'll shut up that went wrong that was too much you know i'm saying so it's it's that even it's trying to find the balance right right"
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      "text": " So, you know, your balance went bad, you know what I'm saying? My balance went bad. Yeah, and I admit that and I hold myself accountable for that. Well, look, listen, my wife has a whole thing when I don't know if you know this, I'm sure you've heard this, I think it's everybody probably heard this. Did you ever hear about the there was like 13 women or eight women, I forget how many women they sued the federal government because they were in the camp, the female camp in Coleman, and they were being"
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      "text": " By the guards, right? Right. Now, what's funny is that my wife was there. She knows every one of those girls, right? And she's like, those girls would actually get into this fights about who was going to date this guy. They consider them like I'm dating this guy, this guy's bringing in stuff food for me. He's like, now, no matter what, right? You can't have sex with an inmate, a female inmate or an inmate in general, you can't have sex like that. It's, it's, it's"
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      "text": " I can tell you right now, she would go in the room, they would close the door, I would be in the other room, they would be like, Hey, hey, we're gonna be in here for like, that's the kind of thing that's happening. Like the girls are walking around, right? Talking about who's fucking so and so who's doing like, this is not the situation that was happening, right? Like, there are so many things that happen in prison that are being massaged, you know, just like the thing where we have the guy that came on and that there's, there's riots, they let them out. There's riot."
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      "text": " They lock every down for three months they let him out for two weeks boom there's a riot they lock him up for three months they let him out boom there's a riot at some point which is unconventional and you're you would be every booklet out there would tell you this is do not do this at some point the warden goes out and says this shot caller that shot caller who's respected in these groups."
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      "text": " And he pulls them all out and has discussions and starts going between from cell to cell to negotiate a piece so he can take the facility off of lockdown. You know, like I need the I can't lock these guys up forever, which is unorthodox. Right, right. So eventually, but eventually he doesn't guess what these guys are out for 18 months. Maybe there's a stabbing here and there, of course, you know, but it's funny, like some facilities run"
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      "text": " You know, it's it's those are the facilities that tend to run smoother because you've got somebody that are keeping the balance. You know, the problem is, it's probably the fear is, is that eventually you're going to get out of hand and you get friendly with the guys and then boom, you have a problem. But you had 18 months where nobody got stabbed. Right? 100%. You know, and for the prison to run,"
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      "text": " You need, like you said before, policing themselves. So if they know that they're safe or if I act too crazy, I'm going to be, I can say whatever I want, even though I know I'm afraid of you, I'm going to say whatever I want because I know that the CEOs are going to stop it or something's going to happen. But the simple fact is that if they know, yo, he ain't going to stop it. Maybe I'm not going to talk to you crazy like that. And that's just one example. Or, you know, like bringing in contraband or stealing or extorting or whatever the case is. You know, you're not safe because this dude going to let the other dude bump."
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      "text": " right and now are you going to be as tough now that you know that the office is going to let you fight you know that happens a lot in confinement when they're in disciplinary confinement they'll be in confinement two dudes will be arguing you know they're both talking like they're fucking mike tyson you know and then the next thing you know the officers will be like all right well you guys were annoying me for the past two days with this i'm putting you in the cell in the cell together or for rec"
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      "text": " You guys are going to share the same wreckage, right? And sometimes the will the inmates are willing to do it. Sometimes now they're not so tough. Yeah, and then how they don't want to talk so much no more was the guy there was a guy white white Viking or the white Viking. With the he had the shaved head. Yeah, I'm trying to think what he Viking mindset. Oh, my mind says white Viking. I've heard of all them the Viking. Yeah, like that. He had a thing where"
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      "text": " He had, you know, even he was, you know, about that life. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that whole, you know, for, for years, but then he still got years to go. And he got to a point where he's like, I'm done. I don't want to be about he's a problem is every facility I went to now. They're the agile. Oh, this dude, though. He's like that, bro. He's the guy he's gonna take care of business. He's gonna do like shit."
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      "text": " He's like like he's like your my rep started following me and then guys are coming to me saying you got to take care of this you got this he's like I is and I'm at the point where I'm like I don't want to take care of it right he gets lined up it's into a fight one he's like and then one time these guys come to him and they come in this cell and they get he said so we were fighting he's like I'm trying to get out of the fight but we fight is we're fighting he said listen he said"
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      "text": " Fighting for a minute or two is a long fucking fight. Two minutes of a fight is exhausting. It's forever. And he's sitting there. Remember, you guys said he's had the guy in the headlock or something. And the guy was like, was it Brewerworth? He said, I'm sitting there and we're sitting there. He said, all I could think about was where are the guards? Why? What's taking them so long? He's like, I'm fighting, hoping that just the guards will show up because he's like, it's been forever."
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      "text": " And he's like, I know they've got to become he's like, like, finally, they ended up coming be so like, you know, Jen's the whole time I'm sitting there thinking, please fucking you guys show up, please show up, please show up. I mean,"
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      "text": " It is a long time to fight. It's exhausting. It's dangerous. You're fighting in a cell. Everything is concrete or metal. The metal toilet, the metal bunk. There's things that I think about now that I did. It's like, I could have just killed or I could have got killed. What was I thinking? Was it worth it? You've always heard that story with the guy. The guy gets three or four years."
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      "text": " and puts him to work, guy ends up, they get into a fight, guy falls, hits his fucking head in the toilet and dies. Now the kid's got a 15 year sentence. Like you just turned your four year sentence into 15 years, you know, or 20 years or whatever. It's all nonsense. Right. Or some guy that, Hey, go put in some work, just stab the guy up. He stabs him in the wrong spot. The guy fucking dies and now you got 20 fucking years for nonsense. Just for absolute stupidity. Yeah. And I fell into it. You know, I fell into it. Do you think being a CEO and going to prison,"
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      "text": " Do you think that worked against you? Do you think it helped you because you knew how it worked? Or did you get like, you know, push back from the other inmates? Like, how do you think that changed your prison experience? Oh, yeah. How was the prison thing? What did you tell people going at? Well, you probably went to a low, right? Right. Okay. But I actually went to Milan in Michigan. Okay. And the politics are kind of heavy for a low side, as I was told."
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      "text": " I saw as much violence."
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      "text": " And the low I saw some of the bloodiest fights I've ever seen in a low then when I saw when I was in the medium right there's not fights right but the pot you talk about politics right like are they heavy or not heavy like a medium or yeah how much more danger because there's getting and having an issue in the mediums a lot more dangerous because they're willing to go further yes right yeah um no they they knew when I when I went in that staff knew when I walked into Milan right when I walked into Milan"
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      "text": " There was a couple of dudes walking into off out of Oklahoma City Transit Center. So they already knew they already knew they and they and they raised. They said to me, Mr. FDLC, we've been waiting for you. Oh, fuck. Right. That's the guard. And these are country. This dude was country. He looked all geeky and shit. Right. Like this, like excited, like almost excited to see me. But I don't know how to play it. Like, is he being a dick? Right. Or is he like, like, you know, I don't know how he took how to take it."
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      "text": " But he was like, he's like, we've been waiting for you. I was like, oh, great. Thanks. And I ended up going into processing by myself, which I'm like, yo, you're making this fucking hot, bro. And then the warden was there waiting for me. And SIS officers, right. And they were trying to say, oh, you're going to be in this dorm and this this gang there. I said, I don't care. I really don't want to talk to you. This is like"
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      "text": " I don't know if you're trying to help me or not, but this is not helping me. I'm going to go in there and sess the scene myself. And I'm, I'm comfortable with me obtaining my own information rather than you telling me that's just going to make me like, I don't know, just, I don't want to know anything. And, um, one of the officers was real cool. He's like, dude, I don't know. He's like, uh, well, I gotta send you into this, uh, dorm, but this is the worst dorm in here. He's like, this is, this is not good."
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      "text": " They're trying to give you a hard time because I made it and I don't know if this is true or not, but the warden basically said, well, don't be coming over here beating up my inmates or something along the lines like that. And he was wearing like a, like a, like a polka dot bow tie. And I said, well, anyone, any, anyone that can walk around this prison with a bow tie, I think I like my chances here. Right."
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      "text": " Yeah, I don't know if that he if that made it that that comment like made, you know him be like, well, fuck him thrown to the wolves type shit. Right. And he was like, don't be telling anyone what you're in here for. But I already knew that they're gonna find out, dude, I'm not lying, because I already did time at FTC down in Miami. Right. And"
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      "end_time": 8684.718,
      "index": 336,
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      "text": " Everyone already knew too. And I already know I went through Oklahoma City Transit Center was induced from Miami. So they might've been talking to the other people. Now I'm on the bus to"
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      "text": " Some island now, you know, so I wasn't going to lie. Well, and the inmates are going to get your name. Somebody's going to run your name. There's got to be multiple. They already knew when I walked up in their newspaper articles about you are going to come on. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, and they already knew and they basically what they didn't. They didn't really care. Now I'm not going to say they 100% trusted me, but I wouldn't even give them that opportunity, right? I had a seat in the TV room. Most dudes didn't even have a seat in the TV room. You gotta sit in the hallway. You know, it's just."
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      "text": " I'm shocked that you didn't end up in Coleman because in Coleman... Don't forget, I was living in Michigan at the time I got arrested. So you were indicted out of Michigan? No. Remember, I left Florida, moved to Michigan, and then Southern District of Florida, I got indicted out of Florida, but I was living in Michigan. Okay, so it's closer to your home. Exactly. I was no longer living in Florida. Your residency was in Florida. I understand."
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      "text": " Yeah, I was gonna say because in at the low in Coleman, like literally, I was locked up with a guy named Junior, which was a dirty cop from from Atlanta, who killed somebody. Did he have a hard time? No, see, I seen a bunch of cops too. I was locked up with two, one, two, three, four homicide detectives. No, not homicide detectives. I'm sorry."
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      "text": " Police detectives that were in charge of drug cases narcotics in narcotics was arrested with one guy was a DEA. I've been in transit with a cop cop. It was the same thing when he got to Oklahoma City as we were together. We got there we went into the big to the room that we talked about open that same type of thing when he got there was we were getting there. He told me so they're going to pull me out of here."
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      "text": " And because I've been locked up in the facility before with him when I so I was in transit a couple days. I knew everybody was a cop and now we're now then we're in the van together now. We're on the plane together now or so. We're basically together the whole time and I know he's a cop and then when we got there he said fuck you could see you could see them out the lieutenants and everybody outside the thing through the window. You could see them all go together talking. There was a whole ball of them get together talking talking talking and he's like fuck is they're gonna pull me out of here."
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      "text": " I was like, why is it that they go they always pull me out then he did like a year in the shoe already because they didn't want him mixed in with population so he's like he had to file paperwork to get taken out of the shoe and put in general pop while he's waiting to be sentenced you don't have been sentenced."
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      "text": " What? So at the detention center, basically, he they put him in the shoe for that long. Yeah, the whole time he had to file paper, his lawyer to file paperwork to have him put into general pop. Anyway, so then sure enough, if they didn't come over, open the door and call out his name. He was like, fuck. He went out there, talked to him for five minutes and came back and they were like, listen, we don't feel comfortable with you. He's like, I don't care. Like you're you're he's like, I've filed paperwork. I'll file it again. He's like, I'm this. You cannot keep me in the fucking shoes all the time. I don't give a shit. And"
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      "text": " I don't really and I don't know why they were so harsh with him. I think it was just because of his transit and you don't really know who's in transit. Exactly. Right. And so anyway, they did let him back in. And eventually, I don't know what prison he went to, but I'm sure he went to a low somewhere. But yeah, there was a bunch of cops that had been that were at the low and I don't feel like any of them. Um,"
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      "text": " You know, cops can handle themselves. You know what I'm saying? Good correctional officers could handle themselves. You know what I'm saying? Like they're like, oh, you're in danger. Like, yeah, not really, because you had a low. Yeah, you're not. There was a bunch of guys. There was a Boston cops. There was, you know, Illinois cops in there. And listen, and the press is not like when you get these fucking articles on these guys, the press is not kind. It's fucking in the comments for the press is like one guy's like,"
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      "text": " Lock him up and throw away the key. Right. I'm like, well, I'm out now, bitch. Fuck you saying that. Yeah. You know, it's hilarious that you got to laugh at them. But no, I wasn't. And I didn't feel like anything because of that situation. You know what I mean? Not at all. When I first got arrested, I was at the Federal Detention Center."
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      "text": " It was, I forgot what holiday it was. They put me, the captain wasn't there and it's actually his call or not. If you go to general population or not. So they pulled me in through processing and put me in to protect the custody for three or four days. The captain came and said, yo, what's up? What you want to do? I said, um, I can't do this. I'll tell you that. Like I'd never been in the cell before. This is the first time I'm going to sell. I'm having crazy freaking like dreams that the fire, the freaking fire, um, you know, alarm breaks in, in, in,"
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      "text": " The pipe burst and I'm drowning in here because like I'm having crazy lose like get me the fuck out of here. He was like, yeah, but you're in general pop. I'm okay. Yeah. So he ended up putting me in general population and it was actually a high profile floor with some interesting people that were there."
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      "text": " And it was half of that and then half of psych. So in, in this, and in the Eastern region for the BOP, they only have like two, I believe mental health evaluation centers, one of them being more up North, I believe. And the other one down and maybe butner, but I know for a psychological evaluations before you're actually sentenced, they will send you and one of them is in Florida."
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      "text": " So we had like half of the half of the people from all over coming for a psychological psychological evaluation and then half of it was like high profile. There was like a rapper there was a serial killer guy who was killing people down in Florida with a samurai sword."
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      "text": " There was a cartel dude from Venezuela, and now we're starting to see the effects of Venezuelans. People didn't ever heard of how dangerous they were years ago. I've already seen kind of what it was with him being locked up there. Is Venezuela where they just locked up everybody?"
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      "text": " Is that the one where they built a prison that holds like fucking 10,000 or 100,000 people or something? No, I don't think that's Venezuela. But Venezuela basically released half of their prison because they know the borders were open and they all came here. Yeah, that's the Venezuela thing. Those dudes don't play. We're gonna release you, but you got to start walking. Those dudes do not play. They do not play. But it was interesting because in Puerto Rico, their detention center is very small. So if they have an overflow"
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      "text": " of inmates, they have to send and they send them to Florida. Yeah. So there was one dude, I've totally forgot his name. I think they called him Yogi, Yogi, Puerto Rican dude. He was an ETA and he went in for like maybe 10 years, but then ended up killing a correction officer, being part of a correction. And he was. Had to go back to Puerto Rico for a court case, so he was at the ADX. Once a Puerto Rico, then"
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      "text": " was going back to the ADX, but he's staying at the detention center now and, and Florida, because I guess Puerto Rico was full killed the correctional lieutenant. I'm sitting in here with him. We're working out. I don't know what he did. He doesn't know what I did. Eventually we start talking. We all, we were, we were so close. We would eat together every night. He didn't have much money. I would give him, yo, but we told each other what we were in for. And then we just was like, yo, how life is ironic. He literally killed the lieutenant correction officer lieutenant and"
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      "text": " I'm sitting here like fucking best friends. Isn't I have like full circle? It's it's crazy. It was crazy. That conversation, you know. So where did you kill the lieutenant? I used to be a lieutenant. And I don't know how he wasn't in the shoe when he had to go back to the ADX. But, you know, it was so fun when I found out he got the lieutenant. He didn't tell me ever originally that he knew I was in for. But he'd act like we would work out and would eat. And then one of my friends was like, yo, it's this is crazy. He's like he killed the lieutenant. I was like, what do you mean? He's like,"
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      "text": " I'm like, get the fuck out of here. He's like, yeah, so we start talking and we just like we're laughing about it. We were laughing about how ironic the situation is, you know, like how weird it is. It was funny. One of the things you're doing now is you just started. So you started a YouTube channel, right? Yeah. Brennegade. Brennegade show. What is it? Brennegade show. Brennegade. Is that it? That's the whole thing. Brennegade or just Brennegade. Brennegade show. OK."
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      "text": " and so you're gonna put up a an intro and then you're gonna put up some some videos and you've got so you've got so by the time this comes out you'll have several videos up you'll oh yeah you'll be getting into it absolutely what are you gonna focus on like a broad view but where I'm not stepping on any toes and being different to saying my side of the story on I guess you can say you know an ex-dirty officer's view on"
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      "text": " What I would do to certain inmates on how I feel on what I would do in certain situations, some common myths that some people have about corrections, you can try to break that, get into both sides of the life on how there's politics on both sides that you only hear about the inmate politics and what the inmates would do. If this inmate came in here, you know, before you get to the inmates, you got to come to to the officer side, you know,"
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      "text": " Give some hacks for officers and and inmates on certain things like cell extraction on how to beat a cell extraction, you know, or yeah, you know, yeah, that's probably not a good idea. Baby lotion on you, you know, certain things that I would do that they'll strip down and put baby lotion and shit on them. But"
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      "text": " Another way to beat it as an officer. Oh, as an officer is spray the fucking toilet with the water, right? Because you know, like when they spray it, they use the water in the toilet to clean their face. But if you spray the water with the pepper spray, now they start doing it. Now they're wiping their face with the pepper spray, pepper spray. Yeah. Yeah. Are you going to are you going to interview like former inmates, former inmates and and current and current correction officers see"
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