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It started with a scream inside a quiet Maryland home.
A mother trying to protect the family dog and her son in the grip of a violent hallucinogenic rage. By the time it was over, she was dead, and he claimed LSD made him do it. His name, David Minor IV, and we talked to him. Listen to Invisible Choir every other week as we uncover the most haunting true crimes you've never heard of, available wherever you get your podcasts.
Williamson, he'll face a bond judge this morning at nine o'clock. I was one of those guys that thought if they arrested somebody, he must be guilty. Our justice system is flawed to hell and people don't really understand and they can't put theirself in somebody's shoes until it happens to them. I survived someone trying to me and I knew one of us were not leaving the kitchen. There was a club that was like really popping at the time. A girl that I went to school with named Heather
struck up a conversation with what would become my wife outside. And I walked over there to Heather after they kind of talked and I'm like, all right, who was that? And she's like, Oh, that's my friend. Yeah. I met her last week. And I'm like, Oh, you got to introduce me. And so she makes the introduction and we talk a little bit and, and long story short, we kind of just that started the relationship and you know, we moved in together fairly quickly. Um, we had a great friend group that we all would go out and party with a man for like five years. We had the best time.
I mean, everybody went out, hung out, you know, partied hard, but we all had jobs. You know, everybody had a job. She had a job, all of our friends. We worked hard, but we played hard. And I would say, uh, we got married 16 years ago. So I'm horrible with the date on that. So 16 years ago from now, how old were you? I was 22. I think we got married. We decided to get married.
And we, right after the marriage, we found out that she was pregnant. And so I was working at a company at the time called new core steel, and I was driving, commuting back and forth from my home to Columbia. It was like an hour and 20 minutes. I mean, it was, it was a long, long drive. And so I was trying to get into the one at the hometown where I live, but I just couldn't. Well, I wound up getting an opportunity to go to Charleston, which is where I live at now.
and went good. I mean, we decided to pick it up, move. We moved up there. My son might've been two at the time, two, maybe three. And I had a daughter, she was in middle school. So we moved up there. Everything was going great. Um, then her dad got sick. Her dad got cirrhosis of the liver and he passed away. And that took a big part of her because she was really close to her dad. And so I'm not going to say it like affected the marriage, but it definitely like the,
The girl that she was, the lively, fun girl, that definitely took a piece of her when he left. And I knew it would, because they were super, super close. And we were probably, I'd say we were up there about five years, and there was a concert that came up in Myrtle Beach. And it was the first one that they ever did. It was called the Carolina Country Music Fest. And so it was basically like a redneck version of Woodstock.
All these country music bands for four days, go up, you'd have loved it. Go up there, party it up. And like when I say do it up, I mean, I don't think I'd drink anything non-alcoholic for four days. In fact, there's a picture, I can try to find it. A guy's giving me an IV. One of my buddies, he's like a medic. He lives with us.
Me and him were roommates when my wife moved in. So he stayed there for a little while and then he eventually moved out. But he came up there and he said, man, you look horrible. And I was like, I feel horrible. I ain't slept in days, been drinking. And so he gave me an IV like on a Saturday. And I mean, I was, boom, I was ready to go, you know, just carried it on through. So we finished out that weekend, come back and like I left from work, went straight to that thing, left there, come back home and had to go to work the next morning. So I hadn't even been home. I had shit I had to do at home.
I had unpack and everything. So I was just, oh, weekend man, no sleep. So I get up that next morning to go to work and, you know, pull up at one of the stoplights, turn left from driving and go off the side road. Now you hear that and then that wakes you up, but it's dark. I got to be to work at fives or, and so it's like four 30 in the morning. I heard that and it was on.
And I mean, I hit and I just knew that the car wasn't on pavement anymore. Right. And when it hit dude, it was like a roller coaster. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I didn't think it was ever going in. I couldn't see where I was at. I didn't know where I was at, but I just knew I was flipping. And then finally I see another car and it finally stops. I'm upside down on another car. And so I thought I just killed somebody because if I was still on the road and that was a car on the road, I just landed on top of them. Right. Probably just decapitated somebody.
Well, I did have my seatbelt on. Normally don't wear it for that morning. I did wear it for whatever reason. So I'm hanging upside down. So I'm trying to brace the car. So when I undo the seatbelt, I don't fall on my head and the car rolls off to the passenger door. So now I'm sitting like this, right? And I unhooked the seatbelt, climb out.
There's like smoke everywhere. I see the other cars like bent the hell the pickup trucks like bent down. A car comes riding by and he like stops and he's like, are you all right? I'm like, I think so. And he's like, you need me to do anything? You need me to call anybody? I said, yeah, call the an ambulance, I guess. And because I didn't know where my phone was. And he was like, do you need me to stay? And I was like, well, no, I don't guess so.
So he drives on, I finally find a place like safe enough to hop down because I didn't want to hop down the car roll on me. I go to knock on the dude's door. He comes to the door and he's like, you know, still half sleep, you know, 5 30 in the morning or five ish in the morning. Yeah. And I'm like, man, I just had an accident out there. I said, I flipped and I said, I landed on your pickup truck. And he's like, man, that's my wife's truck. She's had that thing since high school.
And I'm like, I'm sorry, bro. It's, it's out of commission now. And so he's like, all right. He just shuts the door. He don't ask me if I'm okay. I need to drink a water. You got to call it, but it just shuts the door. I'm standing there on the porch and I'm like, all right. So I go back and there was like this little stump looking thing over there. I'm sitting on that. I'm waiting. The fire truck pulls up. Ambulances pulls up. They come up to the car, like looking all over the place and
I'm kind of like trying to motion to them. Like I'm over here. They kicked the back window out of the car, like looking at like, you know, like the little halogen thing, making all the glass go in there, looking and there's like, you know, where's the driver? I was like, I am the driver. He's like, where's the passenger? I was like, I don't think there was one. It was just me. I was like, I was going to work. And I mean, like, so, and I did find my phone. I actually still had it in my pocket. So while I was waiting on me to get there, I called my wife and told her, told her where I was at. So she's on her way up there.
So by the time they get there and I'm telling them, you know, that I was a driver, they slapped me on a board, a gurney. They're putting tape around my head. They got me in the, you know, the neck brace. So I'm like that, you know, a strap to the board when she comes pulling up. So it looks awful. It looks like I'm paralyzed. And so she's flipping out and I'm like, I'm good. I'm, I really don't even need to take this ride, but they're taking me just for precaution. Go to the ER.
And the lady comes out and she's like, I don't know what your religion is or who you pray to, but whatever you're doing, just keep at it. Cause it's working. She said, there's nothing really wrong. Now that was for the most part, that was true. I did wind up having some long-term back issues from it, but for the most part, like injury wise, I was good. I walked away from it clean. And I mean, this thing was demolished. There wasn't a body panel on there that wasn't in it in windows busted out, snapped the front wheel completely off toward the front of it off. No airbags deployed.
Like it was, I don't know how no airbags deployed because funny enough, that same model Dodge was getting recalled for people just getting in and shutting the doors and their airbags were going off. Like a lady sued them because their airbags went off and knocked coffee on her. And I literally tore it to hell and no airbags went off at all. So that, and I tell that story to kind of set it because it's an important factor about the back issues later on that we're going to get into. And with that, I was out of work for a while. I didn't lose the job that I had.
But I lost the position that I had within the company. And then the one that I got when I come back, it wasn't as fun. It really kind of put me in a bad mood. The money wasn't the same either. It was a little bit less money. So it's like I'm working on a job I don't really like or position that I don't really like, you know, making less money. I was just on a real foul ass mood.
You know, it just, cause that affects, you know, a man that gives a shit. It affects you if you're not being able to put the food on the table, so to speak. And it just, it was real. Things were just going bad. It went from like top of the world to now everything's going to shit. And there was a group of people in the neighborhood that we befriended that would go to the pool and everything. Um, we had a little neighborhood pool where we live and they would get together every Friday and hang out at a Mexican restaurant and then usually go to somebody's house afterwards and kind of hang out.
So we went over there to this house. Now my wife wasn't with me. Um, I went to, went to eat at the restaurant. We go to a friend of mine's house. We're hanging out over there. And I could tell that this couple that lived down the street from us, like six houses were not okay. They were having this little argument. You could, you could just tell he was at one end of the bar. She was at the other. They was kind of snide comments and you know, back and forth. You could just tell there was a rift.
And so when we go to leave, my wife, we go back to the house at the garage or hanging out. My wife calls me and asked me to come to another friend of ours house. It's like in the middle. So you got my house, the house where she was at, and then the house where the couple was that I left. So I leave there, tell them by and go to where she's at. We're there 20 minutes, you know, just chilling, hanging out in the garage or that guy was, um, uh, coast guard and he had just got back from deployment and, and we knew each other. We all knew each other.
And so we're sitting there and I remember it was just like really eerie. We're listening to the radio and the Johnny Cash song hurt. Come on. The cover they did from nine H nails. Great. And all of a sudden you hear this screaming and it's just like, you know, it's not a kid screaming. And so we're like looking around and then we're like, all right, somebody's in trouble. So we go out, we run down to the end of the street. I'm not thinking that it's them because I just left them a few minutes ago at another party.
So my buddy, for whatever reason, he went straight in the house. I stopped and there's a woman rolling in the floor in the, in the yard, front yard of the house. And I stopped her and I realized that that's my friend. Her name was Carrie. And I'm like, Carrie, what the hell's going on? And she's like, he did it. He did it. He unalived himself. And I'm like, where she said in the house. So I run in the house again, it's kind of like when you come in, you're open to the living room and the kitchen is kind of like one big open spot together. Kind of like what you got right here. Right.
And when you come in, you, the refrigerator and everything's to the left. Well, I seen like a pair of legs laying out right there. And when I cut that corner, my buddy was already up at the head. He had his shirt off. He had wrapped around the guy's head. The guy had made a decision to unalive himself that night. It was the worst thing I'd ever seen in my life. I mean, dude was coughing up blood. I mean, it was just like somebody just turned a water faucet on. He was not technically, but it was coming there. It was just, it was the formalities playing out.
And it was just awful. I mean, worse things still to this day, even though the story we're going to get into worse than that, worse than anything I've ever seen. It was like somebody just, like I said, turned a water faucet on. It was just pouring out of his nose. And I'm like, Jesus Christ. And I mean, almost lost it, almost threw up. And I had to go back out and nobody had our phones because when we were running, everybody left their phones back at the house. So I went outside and hollered at my wife and I was like, I said, he shot himself. I was like, y'all go run, go get the phone. Somebody call 911.
So they come, they got him out. It felt like forever for him to come. And, you know, little by little, we start trying to figure it out of what happened because on the surface, this dude had everything he wanted. He was in, you know, early forties. He was married, had a son, had a daughter, had a work truck, had a Mercedes, a Harley, a golf cart. He had everything that you would say, all right, if I'm in my forties, give me the perfect life. You know, seemingly on the outside he had it. Well, what apparently had happened was he had a little weight, uh, extra weight years prior.
He lost a bunch of that weight. And then somebody convinced him that a way to kind of cure the sagging skin was to start taking steroids and bulk up. Well, he did that. Then it was messing with him real bad. And so he decided to come off of it. And when he come off of it, he come off cold turkey.
and it really kind of messed him up. That combined with the drinking, he was drinking that night and that's what led to it. Then come to find out the marriage was kind of struggling a little bit. I wound up, you know, I stayed friends with the wife and kind of found out more as it progressed. And so in my mind, that kind of ties into the story now that we're talking about.
I'm like, is that what it comes to? You know, do you get so down, so depressed that things get that bad? If that's your answer, that, if that's the answer, I don't want to do it. Right. And by that point, you know, me and the wife had started arguing a lot. I was still an outgoing person. She wasn't as much. And it was just, it was constant arguing. And so I made the decision after that. It was like, to me, that was the light bulb. It wasn't the right light bulb, but at the time it come on. I'm like, all right, you just, we can't stay here and do this.
Like you're this way. I'm this way. We're not going to work. We're just going to argue. And so I own that decision. I chose to split up and call it quits. Did I was one of this, did you leave or did she leave? So I left originally, right? There was a friend of mine around the corner that I rented a room in his house. And the deal that we made was I said, I'll still pay for everything here. If you're here, but if you meet somebody,
I'm not going to pay the bills while, you know, Johnny rocket is coming around sitting on a couch or whatever. Yeah, that's, that's not going to fly. We'll have to re reevaluate this situation.
And so then this happened in August. And I think around September, end of September, first of October, she told me she met somebody and I'm like, all right, well, you know, how serious is it? You remember my rule. I don't want nobody. Where are you living? Where are you moving? Yeah. And so she winds up moving this and I gave her shit about it now, but like, I'm thinking she's going to move clear across whatever, you know, so we don't have to see each other as much.
She moves like one neighborhood behind me. Right. And so the way this is like one big community, and then you have subdivisions within the community. So like, yeah, I like this, similar to this. So I met the first one. Yeah. There's townhouses, there's apartments, there's houses. Yeah. So I'm at the first neighborhood. She's right behind me at the second.
Which I mean, in retrospect with the kids and everything, it worked out okay. We're still able to see each other, but like, I don't want to run into you two at the grocery store. Like we weren't like at each other's throats, but we weren't friendly at this point either. Like she was done with me. I was done with her. We talked, we talked for the kids and that was it. So she tells me that she's moved in or she's, she's met this guy and I'm like, all right, well I'm moving back. So October 31st Halloween night.
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All of his buddies, which at that time had been like a little, you know, reoccurring thing. It was kind of bittersweet, but that was the last night we did that. She moved out the next day. I rented the U hall. I had it packed up and they went. And so I moved back in. So November, December, I'm just, she's doing her thing. I'm doing mine.
I'm, you know, partying every night doing my thing. She's doing whatever she's doing. And we start the divorce proceedings. I get a lawyer that's going, you know, how slow as it goes. But the thing was, because she moved in with this guy is technically adultery, but it's not like she was doing it behind my back. I knew it.
But we were going to be able to use that to get a quick divorce, right? Because you can get a three divorce in 90 days. If you can prove either drug abuse, adultery, or physical, physical abuse, like you're being physical abused. So obviously with the adultery, I've got her on that because she's living with the guy. So it's going to allow us to speed run this whole process. And we agree to everything. I was going to give her, you know, X amount of dollars out of my 401k at that time. It was pretty substantial.
Um, and so I was going to give her some of that. We were going to work out something. If I ever did sell the house, she got a piece of that, but we all agreed on what was going to be what, and we're going to do our own thing. So we didn't really talk at all really, unless we had to for the courts, um, around Christmas time. First Christmas we're split up trying to figure out what we're going to do with the kids. We actually had a,
a talk that wasn't so much business oriented. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't just like, all right, we're going to be here. I'll meet you here. We just talked a little bit. I'm like, well, how are things going with you? You know, she asked me how things go with me. You know, we're kidding around a little bit, breaking each other's balls. And you could kind of tell in that conversation, there was a little something still there. Right. You know, long story short, we get through Christmas and we actually, we go out one night, we have dinner.
Um, we kind of talk and she's saying that things aren't really going good. I guess she met the guy and I think she was definitely rebounding, you know, so when you, when you're on the rebound and guys too, you're not really checking everything like you should. You're taking whoever fills that void. Yeah. You're excited that this person's interested in you. Yeah, exactly. So, and it's new, you know, yeah, you're blinded to a lot of that would normally stick out in other situations.
And so she started finding out things he wasn't a hundred percent honest with, you know, like his job and different things like that. Anyway, so I didn't know him. He wasn't from there. He had moved there. He was a former veteran from the army who had went into, she didn't know this, but he had spent a little time in a psych evaluation in our psych ward in Alabama. He got out and at the time he had moved to Charleston area with his wife and two kids.
then they split up. So I guess somehow him and my wife met once they started talking, he sent his wife and two kids back home to Michigan on a bus. Okay. And she didn't even know that he was married nor that he had kids. And actually, let me clarify that he wasn't even married to her. He was married to an entirely separate woman.
And she didn't know none of that. She knew he had kids, but she didn't know that he had a wife that wasn't even in the picture, nor was he living with the past girlfriend and two kids. She found all that out after the fact. And so like I said, she started finding all this out. I didn't know this because we weren't talking, but she's kind of filling me in now, you know, months later.
And so we still weren't a hundred percent sure if we were going to jump back into this because it's like, obviously we've been together for years. We got two kids together. We know there's love there, but you know, are we really ready to jump back in full force? So February goes by. We're going to the divorce meetings. Now this is, this is weird and crazy. It's kind of sums up our relationship. We got to go to the last meeting before the divorce is final. Somehow or another, they screwed up the scheduling.
We go one day before it's supposed to be done. We're together that day at my house, like together, together. We drive to the courthouse to get divorced and the judge is like, I'm not really sure how this happened, but we can't put this through today because it's within the 90 day window. We have to wait to us either 90 or after in the 90 days tomorrow. We got to reschedule. No big deal, at least at the time we thought anyway.
So he reschedules it and what we're just sitting in the car lab is like what we just, we've been together all morning. We came to get divorced. We couldn't get divorced. Maybe this is some kind of sign. So we go and, uh, it's still kind of bouncing back and forth. You know, at this point they did separate. They were living together in that neighborhood. He left and went back home around the end of January. I don't know specifically what happened. I know he didn't stay long and he come back.
When he moved back, he was living in some VA housing in like a couple of towns over. You've got North Charleston, Somerville area. He was in North Charleston living in some assisted VA housing. Now they were still technically talking, but he wasn't living at the premises.
Why did he move? What's his name? His name was Liam. Liam. Why did Liam move out? Well, it was kind of getting along. That's essentially the reason we're arguing. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't working out. Nothing specific. Yeah. They didn't call it quits, but it was kind of like there. It definitely wasn't as, you know, honeymoon S cause it started out. Right. And so while all this is going on, we're still trying to figure out like if, if we want to give this another go round. So, uh, Easter, Easter weekend comes up.
And we get together and we go to her mom's for Easter weekend, Easter Sunday. I've got that next week off for spring break. It was right after that. We go to her mom's for Easter Sunday. We make the decision there. It was like, Hey guys, we just want to let you, we're going to get back together. We're going to do this another shot. We're technically, we never got divorced. And what we were going to do was still get the divorce, go through with it.
And then start dating again, try to see if there was something there to rekindle. If we couldn't, then she's free to do what she wants to do. And I'm free to do what I want to do. There's, you don't have to start this whole thing all over again. And I'm like, you know, if we, if we're going to make it, we'll get remarried a little small something. And you know, that's how we'll do it. So that was the plan. We told everybody we're going to get back together. They were all happy. We go to Myrtle beach the next day. Cause I had that week off from work. We go to the next.
Stay, I think three or four days in Myrtle beach. We come back home and that's supposed to be when she's going to give him the news that, you know, she's going to get back with me. I was going to cut it off with the chick I'm seeing. And that was kind of going to be the, how we broke it down. So we come back that night. The next morning I'm expecting her to give him the news that night. And then my son had a soccer game the next morning. So I didn't really talk to her much that night. She says she was going to tell them when he got home from work.
Never heard anything. Meet at the soccer game next morning. I'm like, what happened? You know, you didn't tell me anything. She's like, he come in and said he had a major headache and went straight to bed. I didn't even have a chance to talk to him. I guess he would be in moods. So she just didn't even like to talk to him when he had his moods. This guy was diagnosed. I found this out after the fact. He was diagnosed with PTSD. And we'll get into a little sub story of that later, but he was on a bunch of medications and he was, he didn't have everything working upstairs. Right.
So we meet at the soccer game. She's like, I'm going to do it today. I'll let you know how everything goes or, you know, if everything's smooth. So I'd say that was at 10, 11 o'clock in the morning. They, he comes home, they have the conversation. He gets pissed. He leaves, but he had a service dog with him. Now he left the service dog there.
Well, she comes, she calls me, she comes over, she kind of told me I went and said he was obviously pissed, you know, mad and he left. But she's like, I know he's not going to be going for good because he left the dog there. He's not going to leave the dog if he's leaving. And we were kind of thinking like, your name's on that lease.
He's pissed that you're coming over here. He might come back and like do something to that house and you're going to be on the hook for it. You know, cause he's, his name is not on anything. Right. So she goes back home and she's like, I'm going to just make sure he doesn't come back. I told her, I was like, maybe we can try to change the locks really quick. If you can, I mean, you know, get somebody over there to do it. But I didn't hear from her for a couple hours at that point. And so, but I didn't, I wasn't worried because he wasn't there also. Right.
And another thing, and I told her, I was like, anything in, you know, value or whatever, get it, we'll get it back over here. That way you don't take nothing. I didn't, I'd only met this guy one time throughout their process of seeing each other. It was very quick. It was at a gas station. It was a couple of exchanges. It wasn't hostile and that was it. So I knew nothing about him, his character, his background or nothing other than to that point, what she had told me once we started to reconcile.
So I'm over at a friend of mine's house again in the neighborhood. We're hanging out, sitting over there at their house and I'm trying to call her phone and I can't get nothing. Can't get nothing. Can't get nothing. Finally, my neighbor calls. Now this is the neighbor that when I told you we went to their house before the other guy unalived himself, he calls my phone. He's like, are you home? And I was like, well, I'm not home, but I'm in the neighborhood.
And he's like, Hey, he's like, if you come by my house and you see Liam's car here, he's like, don't stop. And I'm like, all right. I was like, you're going to tell me a little bit more. We're like, why are you saying that? And he's like, well, something's going on between him and you know, your wife, he's like, I don't know what it is, but I'm trying to figure it out. Well, I know what's wrong, but I don't know why he's involved in it. Right. So what had happened and I found all this out after the fact, what had happened is he did come back. He got pissed. He made her get in the car.
and drive to my house. They were looking for me to confront me to find out basically if he was being lied to, had we been seeing each other beforehand. So I wasn't home because I went to that other friend's house. So they stopped by and he couldn't use her phone because he broke it. That's why I couldn't get her on the phone. He had smashed her phone in the middle of that argument. So he rides by that friend of mine's house and I guess they pull up or she does, she does, and he comes out and he comes up to the window and he said, I seen him in a pastor's seat.
And said, he was like, Hey, you know, what's going on guys? And he said, Oh, we're looking for chip. Cause when I find him, I'm a fucking killer and they call me chip. Some people call me chip. Right. And so that's what he called me. And he's like, Oh, you know, what's going on? He's trying to figure out what's going on. What happened? Cause he doesn't know anything. He knows that we're reconciling, but he didn't know that he got the news or why this is the day. Yeah. He doesn't know that's the day. So what he did was agree for him to go back to their house for Felicia to get out.
and then him to come back there so he could try to defuse the situation. So that's why when he told me, if you ride by here and you see his car here, don't stop. Cause I don't need you to go in at it in my neck, in my house, basically. And so I'm like, all right, look, I know why he's mad. Like I got a pretty good idea why he's mad, but I'm not going to stop. So I go back to my house at that point that we're talking, it's probably 12 o'clock at night.
My daughter's got off work. She worked at one of the restaurants in the neighborhood. When she got home, my wife used her phone and called me and she kind of got me up to speed on what had happened. So she's like, he's with Jamie. Everything's good. He's going to stay over there. And so I'm like, all right, just figured that was it. One o'clock one ish somewhere along there. I get a text message. It's him. And he's like, are you home? And I said, yes, sir.
And he said, man, you need to talk. And I'm like, what about, right? And he's like, you know, what about he's like, I'm not trying to be an asshole. He's like, I'm not trying to start anything.
He said, I just want some answers. He said, I feel like I'm being lied to. You're telling people you're going to kill me. Yeah. I didn't know that at that time broke my wife's phone. Yeah. I didn't know all that at the time. Okay. So I didn't know that. I didn't know about the broke phone. The wife didn't tell me that. I didn't know about him saying that he was going to kill me. I found that out when that guy gave his report to the police. When I got it back later after everything happened. See, I didn't, I didn't know all that beforehand.
And so he tells me, he's like, I've got some questions. He's like, I feel like you'll be honest with me. He's like, and if you're not comfortable at your house, we can meet at your buddy's house. And I didn't even want to tell him. I thought that's where you were, but I was like, all right, we can do that. So in the middle of what, what did that, what had happened? I guess he said that he was going to go back to his VA housing. Right. And this was a text. This was a text. This was a text communication. So the cops had all that when they arrested me later.
He told him that he was going to go back to his VA housing and go to bed. That was going to be the end of it. He didn't. He goes back to my wife's house. They start arguing. She calls Jamie and is like, Hey, I thought you were going to keep him over here. He's over here showing his ass, you know, what's going on. So then he gets in his car and he goes over there. And the only way that that guy agreed to leave was if he could get me to his house so he could talk and me and him could have a conversation. So that's why he texted me to get me over there.
So now we all meet at his house. Um, I'm probably like five houses away, but it's, it's April. It's slightly chilly. So I get in my car and I drive down there and I'll pull up there. There I go in. And essentially what he's wanting to know is, you know, was he being lied to about the timeframe when we got back together? Was he being, you know what? And I'm like, look, start with this. It's really none of your business. Like it's none of your fucking, that's still my wife at the end of the day. I don't owe you an explanation.
I was like, but to answer your question, no, it wasn't, or it wasn't going on. And so it re I think he knew at that point, he wasn't going to get out of me what he was fishing for. But it was still like, after that, what are you going to do? You're not going to get the answers.
And it got a little, I would say tense and hostile. He started, you know, chirping off a little bit. I would chirp off a little bit, but that was it. It never got to the point where it was physical. I think he realized that, you know, he wasn't going to get a rise out of me, that I wasn't going to entice him to do anything. And it really, at one point,
And I know this sounds kind of weird. It turned out being two dudes or three dudes just hanging out in a garage. Like they started talking about both of them were prior military. I didn't have anything to offer in that situation. All of us had kids. We started talking about our kids and it was just, it was really weird. I mean, it was odd, odd situation, but that's what it come to. Cause he knew that I wasn't going to try to take it where I think he wanted it to go.
And so we hang out a little bit now in there. I think he had one, one or two beers from that guy's house. At this point I had had nothing, um, or at least from way earlier in the morning. Cause I didn't know what we were, what we were going down there to do. So I wasn't drinking anything and he didn't seem to me like he was like hammered beyond belief. He was coherent, wasn't slurring his words or nothing like that. It's like three o'clock.
And so the guy who lived there, he's like, look, I'm shutting it down. He's like, I'm tired. He's like, are you going to stay here? And he's like, nah, I'm going to just go home. So now keep in mind when they come back to his house, Jamie brought him. He has no car. Right. And so he would, that's why I asked him, was he going to stay the night? And he's like, no, I'm going to just have Chip run me home.
And so when he said that, he looked at me and he's like, are you okay with that? And I'm like, yeah, I'm cool with that. At that point, everything had kind of subsided. It wasn't, there wasn't any tense feelings or anything like that. So I was, I was fine with it. We leave, we get in the car and he looks at me and he's like, you know, if I go home, he's like, we're just going to start arguing again. I'm like, look, I've been with her for 10 years. I know how it is. You ain't got to tell me, you know, we're, we're almost laughing about this situation. What about just dropping them off at the VA? Well,
That really wasn't an option. Well, at least not one that he presented to me. Right. Where I was going to say, were you too drunk to even make it that far? No, at that time I still hadn't drank anything. He had, but I hadn't drank anything. Did you say that? No, I said that he was drinking. Okay. I thought you had been drinking too. No, not at that point. I had earlier in the night, but probably not since 10, 30, 11 o'clock. That's now three in the morning. So anything that I had would have been gone.
But he didn't say that in it. He didn't use that as an offer because his car was at my wife's house. So that was going to be how he would get back over there anyway. Right. So he looks at me, he's like, do you care if we just go back to your house and hang out for a little bit? And like for a split second, I was kind of hesitant to do it. But then I was like, look, we've been hanging out for this point in time. The dudes, you know, seems pretty chill. And I was like, I might just do like a hangout side type of thing or, or in my garage with the garage up.
So we go and we, it's not very far. I mean, 30 seconds were from their house to my house. And we pull up in the driveway and he start, we just kind of start chatting. And he was like, do you know why I wear this bracelet? And he holds up his wrist and I'm like, bro, I don't know anything about you. I don't know your story or nothing. And he proceeds to tell me this very long detailed story about a buddy that he was in the army with that got shot in the head and he was trying to hold his head back together. And the army said,
he didn't follow proper protocol or procedure. And so that's why he got kicked out of the army. His buddy died. And so that's why he had PTSD, why he had spent time in a psych ward, why he was on all these medications. He was kind of laying out to me why he was the way he was and why it was a problem with him and my wife, basically. And so I mean, and in the middle of the story, when he starts talking like he's crying,
He started like, I see tears coming down his face. He's not kidding. He's at that point to me, he looks like a broken man. And so my guard at that point in time was completely down. Now what we found out later was the story was, it wasn't complete bullshit, but it wasn't accurate. He wasn't in combat himself. He was intelligence. So he's somewhere, you know, on the radio, okay, go here, turn right, go left. He gave him Intel. He's in a single wide trailer. Yeah.
Okay. So I'm sure it affected him. I would like to think it did anyway, if he was, you know, had normal thoughts, I'm sure it affected him and bothered him. And it looked like it bothered him. Like I said, he was crying. So at that point, like I said, my reservations were down, my guard was down and I'm just like,
You know, dude, I'm sorry. I don't, I don't even know what to say at that point. So we do go on in the house. We go into the main house. We go in at that point. We do have a drink there. Uh, my favorite, uh, liquor to drink is red stag. It's a bland brand of a Jim beam. It's like a black cherry, uh, flavor. And that's what I had. So we done, I think a shot or two, a piece of that. And we're in there just hanging out. I mean, we're talking again, he's talking about his kids and his ex wife or ex baby mama.
I'm talking about my kids and he, at one point he tells me he's like, man, under different circumstances, you and I probably would have been pretty good friends. And I'm like, you know what? You're probably right. Cause I mean, honestly, he did seem like a cool guy. And at some point in time we got to talking about my kid, one of his friends' moms. And he was like, I heard her talking trash about people with tattoos.
And he was like, has she ever said anything to you? And I'm like, Jane never said that to me. I was like, I'm covered in them. So I kind of show my arms and I pulled out my shirt a little bit to see this tattoo and he sees this scar right here. I don't know if you can see that. So he sees that and he's like, damn, what happened here? And I'm like, Oh, I had open heart surgery in 2001. So he grabs my shirt and lifts it up from the bottom and pulls it up. So you can see the entire scar.
Now, when he does this, there's no way that he don't see the piece that I have on my hip. Now, I know everybody's in the comments and in other videos that I've done, why would you be carrying in your kitchen? That's ridiculous. You just had it on you the whole night, right? When you're in like, I don't want to say my neighborhood, I don't live in the hood, but when you're from the South, when you walk out and cell phone keys,
wallet gun. I mean, you just have it. So you, you always have it as a, you know, a force of habit. Now, the reason why it never got taken off once I got back home is I got a two story house. All my bedrooms are upstairs. I never went upstairs. We were confined downstairs. So I had it on me. When I left, we leave, we come back in the living room. We really never left the living room kitchen area. So I never got to a place to where I take it off, which would have been upstairs by my nightstand.
So when he pulls my shirt up, there's no way he don't see it, but he doesn't even acknowledge it. He doesn't look at it. At least that I've seen, um, he doesn't say anything about it. And I show him the scar. I tell him the story about it or whatever. And he grabs me like in one of those bear hug grabs, you know, a lot of times drunk, you know, guys had to with their drinks or grab you, pick you up, put you back down type shit. And I thought it was weird, but he was, you know, it was right after he said that we could have been good friends. Then he picks me up and then kind of immediately puts me right back down.
And he's like, where's your bathroom at? So I point him to the bathroom at this point. Now it's closing in on six o'clock in the morning. I haven't checked in with my wife and fucking hours. So real quick, he's in the bathroom. I bring out my phone and like, I text my, um, my daughter's phone cause hers was broke. I text her. I was like, Hey, I was like, we're good. We're at my house. Everything's fine. Put it back in my pocket. So I'm sitting the way my kitchen is. You have the hallway from the bathroom and then you walk into the kitchen.
Immediately to the right is the refrigerator, slight counter space, then it comes back, stove, and then curves back the other way with a sink. So I'm with my back to the stove, just kind of, you know, just sitting there chilling, wait for him to come out. Cause all of our shot glasses and everything are sitting around the area, all that stuff where we had been, you know, doing shots. And he comes out and he cuts the corner, kind of cuts it to the right. He walked straight up to me. And I mean, just doesn't say a word. Boom.
hand up under the throat like that, not so much as in a choking, but like force controlling me. Right. And so he pushes me up so hard that my damn feet come off the floor and I go onto the stove and it's like a flat top stove. And I'm just like, it's happening so fast. I'm like, Holy shit. I don't know if he was kidding. I don't know if it was something he was doing. And then I'm like, what I told him, I'm like, I'm the, what the fuck. And he looks me dead in my eyes. He said, I'm going to fucking kill you.
And at that point I'm just like, shit. And so I'm trying to get his hand off. I can't get his hand off. Now, a key thing that is the situation here is I'm out of work because I had a procedure on back on my back from the wreck. I told you about, I had these injections put into my back that like, they basically burned the nerve endings from the spine.
and it keeps it where you don't, you're not an agonizing pain for about six to eight months. Eventually the nerves reattach and then you have to get it again. Right. So it's a reappearing reoccurring thing. This is the first time I'd ever had it done. I was sore. I was sore as shit. So I didn't really have a lot of mobility anyway. So as I'm trying to fight him to get loose, I managed to scoot like off the stove and get back on my feet.
And I told him at that point in time, I was like, dude, if you don't get the fuck off me, I'm going to shoot you. And so he comes back. He's holding me with this hand. He's coming with his right. And I could see it coming. So I try to lift up just a little bit. And he like clips the bottom of my chin. He doesn't get it side of the face. It kind of clips the chin. And when he does that, he lets go because all of his momentum took him this way. So he lets go with that other hand. When he let go, he was already coming back. And I stepped back into the corner at that point. I'm kind of in the corner. I drew out and I shot.
Now I thought it was two times, but apparently from what I found out later, it was three shots. All of them were center mass. It was all, you know, quick succession and he immediately dropped. And so like at that point, I'm just like, what the fuck? And don't know what the hell to do. Don't know what's going on. I look at my phones, grab a phone, call nine one one. And I was telling them, I'm like, look, I had somebody in my house. Like he attacked me. You know, I had no, he was hitting me. I had no choice. I had to shoot him. And so they send the ambulance. It felt like forever.
And she's got me down there and she's like, you know, is he breathing? And I'm like, he seems like he's breathing. He's not making any noises, but it's like, it's, it's what's referred to from that. I've kind of heard from people. It's called the death rattle. It's like a moan, but there was never any verbal communication after the shots. So he's directly on the floor. He's laying there. I'm hearing the moan. I'm trying to follow what the dispatcher is telling me. She's telling me that the ambulance is on the way. She tells me to go get a towel.
So I go grab a towel. I yank the towel so hard from like the bathroom floor. It's like a little hand towel, kind of like you got in your bathroom there. I grabbed that. I come back. I yanked it so hard that the whole bracket come off the wall. It was laying in the floor. Right.
I go back I pull his shirt up and like I'm looking I can't even find a wound because like it's not like you see in the movies and you know blood goes flying everywhere it wasn't like that and I'm literally having to search around and I finally see like a little small hole here a little small hole here but I mean like it's very small these were like full metal jacket rounds they weren't hollow points or nothing like that so they weren't designed to do like
major damage. I mean, they're still going to hurt. I mean, you know, but it's not like something that's going to leave a big hole out the back. It was more target rounds really.
And so I find the wounds, I put a towel on them, I'm holding it. I'm doing what they tell me to do, but like I'm kind of limited because I don't really know what else to do. There's nothing else you can do. And I'm waiting there to eventually 911 gets there and she's like, where's the gun? I was like, it's sitting on the counter. She's like, have it unloaded with the magazine out, you know, have the door unlocked that way our officer can come on in. And so they finally get there and I tell them, I'm like, come on in. I'm yelling for them to come in.
And he comes in first and he's like, we're not placing you up under arrest, but he's like, we're all going to put you in handcuffs till we can figure out what's going on. So he puts me in handcuffs and then another officer comes up about the same time. We're outside. They put me in the back of her car and then I don't see them for about, I don't know, 10 minutes.
from reviewing body cam footage from after all this, they basically go in and sweep the house and see if there's that. They go to every room. They open every closet door, everything. And once they realize that we're the only two people in the house, the ambulance gets there probably about 10 minutes after the cops do. They go in, they bring him out. They, what man? I think I timed it. They sat there with him in the back of that ambulance for
Almost 15 minutes before they ever pulled off. I don't know what they were doing. It just seemed to me, it seemed like a long time in there. But now I didn't know if he was still alive or whatever. I knew he had functions going on, but I didn't know if he was alive. I didn't know if he was going to make it or whatever. So I'm, I'm literally concerned of what's going on in there.
And at this point, nobody knows, but now it's daylight by the time all this has transpired and the cops have got there and the ambulance has got there. It's like seven o'clock in the morning. People are starting to get up. It's Sunday morning. People are starting to go to church. People are riding by or seeing me sitting in the back of a cop car in front of my house and they never took my phone from me. So I have my phone. I was able to get my phone and I was able to text my wife. I was like,
I shot Liam come a, I was like, come ASAP. But I said, I shot Liam come now. So I see her pull up and she's talking to the cops. I can't figure out exactly what they're saying because I'm in a car, but a female officer comes up and she's like, we're placing you under arrest. And I mean, I kind of halfway expected it until they figured out everything. Like I, I kind of expected to be arrested, but then once they started figuring out everything, I figured it would be done. Right.
So she reads me, right? She's like, are you going to, you know, you want to answer any questions? I'm like, no, not without a lawyer. And she's like, okay. So they leave me in the car and then I'm there for probably another hour. Dude, it's cops up and down the damn block. And this neighborhood is not used to seeing this. I mean, all these cops, they know something's going on. They don't know what and everybody, like people are riding my own golf carts. They're just parked in yards watching. I mean, it's, it's turned this neighborhood upside down.
And I got, I got to use the bathroom. I met, I got to pee. I'm like, you know, I don't know what I'm going to do. Finally, I seen a cop like walking by and I kind of, you know, motion for him to come out. I was like, look, man, I got to use the bathroom. And he's like, now you're going to hold it. And I'm like, no, that's, that's not what's about to happen. Like I'm going to go, I'm either going to go in this car or you can let me in that house. So eventually he lets me out of the car and we go in the house and the guy's like, is there somewhere you can use the bathroom? I'm like, I live here. I can, any bathroom you want.
And so he lets me use the bathroom and they collect all of my clothes, everything, take my shirt, my pants, my boots, basically everything, but my underwear and socks. And they said, is there somewhere you can change? I was like, again, this is my house. My clothes are upstairs. So I go upstairs, I change, I come outside. And at that point, one of the detectives approaches me and he's like, is there somewhere you can go while we can finish our investigation?
So I'm like, I went from being under arrest to now he's saying, is there somewhere you can go and chill while we're doing our investigation? And you don't have cuffs on anymore? No, I'm uncuffed. And so I'm thinking now, all right, kind of what I thought they were just going to arrest me off general principle, figure it out. Everything's good. They're already starting to, my wife talked to them. They're starting to piece what happened. I'm free to go now. So I go around the corner. I talked to her, talked to my wife, kind of gave her the breakdown.
Not long after that, we get the word that he got to the hospital. When he got to the hospital, they gave him a 1% chance of living and that was, he didn't make it. So I met a friend of mine's house. I told him where I was going to be at, you know, trying to decompress. By that time, my mom's heard about it. She's driven two hours, you know, to be there. It's just, it's chaotic. Everybody's trying to figure out what the hell's going on. And I'm over there hour, two hours. By this time it's like probably 1130 in the evening. I haven't been to bed all night.
and the cops come pulling up. I walk out to the cop car and he's like, you know, we're done with our investigation. Do you want to come with us and answer some questions? And I'm like, well, I'm not coming and answering anything without a lawyer being there. Like, just sorry. And he's like, who's your lawyer? And so I gave him the lawyer's name. It was a guy named Donnie Gammas. But the only reason I say I had a lawyer
was he was my divorce lawyer that I was using. So I don't keep retainers or attorneys on retainer, but he happened to be a cop before he became a lawyer. And so he knew him and he was like, well, I know Donnie, he used to be one of us. We'll get together tomorrow and you can come in and answer the questions. So I'm like, all right, I'm free to go. And he's like, yeah, you can go back home.
And I'm like, where is there any type of mess or anything that you guys got to clean up? He's like, we don't do that. And I'm like, what do you mean? And he's like, that's your responsibility. He's like, we do our investigation and we're out. And he said, we're done. You're free to go back home. But by that time when they left, my mom was there at the house. So she goes on in and she was like, she said, I was, didn't know what I was walking into. She was like, there was really nothing there. She said there was a little bit of blood on the hardwoods in front of the refrigerator. She got it up with one paper towel, right? One swipe.
done. No blood at all. So by the time I get back, that's already up. You know, we're starting to kind of get our bearings back tension. I mean, just, you know, blood pressure through the roof, adrenaline still going. I'm finally starting to come down the night and the lawyer calls me and he's like, so they want you to go up there. He's like, you're not going to go there. He's like, you're going to come to my office tomorrow. He's like, you're going to give a statement and then we're going to submit it to them. If there's any discrepancies and what they need from your statement.
Then we'll, we'll get back together after that. And I'm like, all right. So he's like, go ahead and write up a statement tonight of exactly what happened. He said, you can make it as detailed as possible. He's like, and then I'll, if I got to, you know, tweak it or whatever to make it not as long, I'll send it over to him. So I kind of write it up the next day, which is Monday. I go to my lawyer's office. We sit down. I tell him this story, explain it like I'm explaining it to you. He's like, okay.
And he's like, I mean, he's a former cop again. And he's like, from what you're telling me, he said, it sounds like a clean shoot. I explained to him the proximity, how close we were together. I mean, you know, we're this, he's got me here. He swings, he breaks loose, everything was center mass right close together. And he's like, he said, it sounds like a clean shooters. I don't think you got anything to worry about. So I leave, I'm gone maybe an hour or two hours. And he calls me. He's like everything they wanted to know answering in your statement. He's like, we should be good. So if I need anything else, I call you like, all right.
So by this time now, it's starting to circulate that I was involved in a shooting at my home. My job gets wind of it. I'm supposed to go back to work that I think that Wednesday, it was the middle of that coming week. And so I talked to my boss, he's her, he's like, yeah, what's going on? I was like, you know, everything's good. So I just left the lawyer's office. I still should be on track to, you know, come back in there Wednesday. Well, Wednesday rolls around and I get a phone call from my lawyer.
And it's about three, 34 cotton afternoons. Hey, I got some bad news. That is not what you want your lawyer to tell you in any stretch of a, you know, imagination, especially in this situation. Yeah, especially in this. He's like, I got some bad news. I'm like, oh fuck it. And he's like, they're charging you a murder.
and i'm like why and he was like i don't know he's like i don't know if they're trying to paint this as a love triangle thing going wrong and you tried to kill him to get your wife back or what it is he's like but they're charging you you got to turn yourself in tomorrow at 12 o'clock
And I'm just like, bro, why would I need to do that? Like we're already getting back together. You got the right idea. You just got the wrong person. I said, if anything, he was trying to kill me for that reason. And so he's like, I'm just telling you what he told me. He's like, they're not going to come and arrest you because they had to do all communication through him since I was lawyered up. Had I not had a lawyer that had come and got my ass. Now they had already been to the house that Tuesday to get a statement from my wife and everything.
So they had been to the house a couple of times, you know, so I was kind of familiar with the cops being in and out of the house. The whole neighborhood, you know, was talking about it on Facebook and the Facebook groups and everything. There was news vans camped outside the house. I mean, like right across the street.
at the interest way to the neighborhood. I mean, they were having a field day with it. The rumors were crazy. It was like he walked down and caught his wife with another man. I'm like, oh, she hadn't lived here in four or five months. Like, what are you people talking about? It was people that didn't know that was just running them out. And my wife is the most private person in the world. She doesn't have Facebook. She doesn't have Instagram. She doesn't have social media. You would be hard pressed to even find a picture of her if not for me and my social media. Nobody knew who she was.
So she actually kind of was flying under the radar somewhat, but still, you know, the job and everything, everybody started figuring out what was going on. Well, at that point I'm like panicking because I didn't know if I wanted to let this guy handle this type of case. He was a marriage lawyer, you know, divorce lawyer or something like that. Yeah. I didn't, I'm not saying he never handled those cases, but he wasn't the guy I was comfortable with. Right. And so I started calling everybody I know in the Charleston area and I'm like, Hey, I was like, you know, some people knew some people didn't know. Cause this is only two days after the shooting.
I was like, they're charging me, bro. Who do I need every name? Every person said the same name, Andy Savage, Andy Savage, Andy Savage. So after like the fourth call or fourth person saying that I'm like, all right, that's my guy. So I pick up the phone, call them by then. It's probably like five o'clock is after hours. I get a receptionist. I kind of tell her what's going on. She said, I'll have one of our, um, you know, paralegals. We'll call you back here in a minute. Phone rang. I kind of gave her the overview. What's going on? She said, can you be there tomorrow at one o'clock? I said, no, ma'am.
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I'm just trying to get something going here and get something lined up before I get inside. And so she's like be here at seven o'clock.
So that next morning, me, my wife and my mom go to the lawyer's office. We go in now, granted I've never been, I've never had to have a lawyer for very much in anything in my life, let alone this. And we go in and he's like, okay, tell me what happened. So I kind of break down the story kind of like I have with you up into that point and he's sitting in his chair and he's like, so why are we here? I'm like, well, you told me to be here at seven o'clock. And he's like, no, no, no.
Why are we here? He said, if everything you're telling me is true, they said, and believe me, my people will find out if you're lying. He said, if everything you're telling me is true, I don't understand why we're having this conversation. I don't understand why you're arrested. So the only thing I can tell you is that makes two of us. Cause I don't understand either. I was like, to me, this follows everything of self-defense you've ever heard about. I'm in my home. I'm in my house. The guy grabs me, threatens me, says he's going to kill me, strikes me. And then I have to do what I have to do. So I'm really not sure why we're here either.
So the stroke that this guy has, I'm supposed to be in jail literally a few hours from now. He goes out the room, he makes a phone call, he comes back in. He said, I got your surrender pushed back till Friday. He's like, I'm probably going to get pushed back till Sunday. I asked for Friday just so we could get some things in line. I was like, all right, thank you. You know, a couple of days on the outside, you know, because I wasn't looking forward to going to jail.
And so we start giving him all the information on the guy. I mean, as we're telling him this, it was like something out of a movie. As we're telling him these stories, he's got people in there typing. They're printing off records. They're printing off marriage records. They're printing off, you know, stuff from me and stuff. They're just pulling shit out of everywhere. It looked like a scene in a movie where, you know, everybody's working to scramble. Right. It was just situation room. Yeah. Situation room. And it looked just like that. And I'm like, I can see why these guys make the big dollars. Yeah.
And so they're starting to get all this stuff going. We get towards the end and I guess he, he has a conversation with the HR lady. He's like, well, have they paid? And she's like, well, no, but I haven't told him how much it's going to be. And so they come back in there and she's like, yeah, we already started to do this for that first. Yeah. We already started all, I don't know if he just assumed I was going to be able to pay it, but he's like, she comes in, he's out of the room at this point in time. And she's like, so how do you guys want to handle the payment? And I'm like, so how much is it?
And she's like, well, to take this case is 50,000. And then she's like, he's going to need another 15,000 for retainers to get everything started with this and that and all this. And I'm just like, so we're at 65,000. We're at 65,000 right off the rip. Now that's what it's going to take. He's there. That's not saying they can need that right then. Right. But between my wife and my mom, they clear 50,000 on credit cards, boom, right off the rip. So he, she was like, if you're going to put this much down,
You can pay the rest whenever you can. You can make payments, installments, whatever you want to do since you're putting this much down. Because usually people, if they don't have the money to pay it upfront, they'll just make payments over time. Probably a substantial payment, not $200 a week, but something good.
So we do that. It sets the 50 up and they kind of give me some pointers about when I go in as like, look, we know when you get arrested, don't talk on the phone to anybody. I mean, you know, not that I had anything to hide, but just all the conversations were recorded. The least little thing they could try to use against you. She's like, be prepared. The food's going to be awful. Try to go in with a full stomach. Don't talk to anybody in there. Keep to yourself. They're very much trying to coach me up.
Well, we leave there. We go back home. They do get it pushed till Sunday. Uh, I had to turn myself in at one o'clock on Sunday. So Saturday night, like all the family comes down, my people, her people, everybody. And I don't, I say the term party. We had a party. It wasn't a party, but it was definitely like a gathering. Yeah. Because I don't know if I'm getting out. This is, this is, I'm being charged with murder and you don't always get bond for murder. And I can't even be seen by the magistrate because the magistrate can't give you bond for murder.
You have to be seen by the circuit court. Now, the circuit court in our area rotates county to county to county to county each week. Luckily, they were in Berkeley County the week I was going in. And so, and the lawyer even told me, he says, sometimes I let people sit in jail for a few months to let the heat die off the case. Then I swing in and try to get them bond. And I'm like,
We got to do that now. Like I'm not really, I don't have a free couple of weeks, you know, to do that or a couple of months to do that. And he's like, no, in your case, he's like, we're it's coming up. He's like, I think we've got a strong enough case. We can get you out. And you're in a state, you're, you're not some scumbag who's been in and out of jail his whole life. You're I'm an established guy. I've got a house. I own vehicles. I've been working with the same company. I have a career. Yeah. 15 years, kids in school. You have two kids. Yeah. Two kids, daughter, son, all, all the normal stuff that I think helped.
And so we start, he's like, I need you to gather character letters as many as you can between now and Sunday. I think in those few days from Wednesday to Sunday, we got like 60 character letters. And that's with me turning down probably like 20 felons. I was like, I don't know if it looks good if you write the letters. Cause I had everybody. I appreciate you writing the letter. I understand you're a strong, a strong writer, but I had a lot of people, I had people wanting to come to the court. And he's like, Oh, I'll come and I'll support you. I'm just like,
I mean, you know, you come to the house and just, you know, stick around there. I didn't, I didn't know what I needed to do. I mean, I thought, you know, maybe it will see that I appeal to everyone if I have some felons on there, but I didn't know how deep they look into these things, you know, but altogether we wound up getting 60 usable character letters.
And so we had the party that Sunday. It was, it was like that scene from good fellows. And until then, I always thought that that's not how it worked. I thought if you went to jail, they just come and arrested your ass. But if you do, if you do have an attorney, you can basically facilitate your surrender. And so we get in the car and my mom was driving, my mom, my stepdad, and I was with my wife and I was like, all right, like take me to jail. And so they take me to jail. They dropped me off and like, I go up there and I was, I didn't know what to expect.
I got these shoes. I lift up the sole of the shoes and I stick a Xanax and an Ambien in the stowage in the solar shoe and lay it back flat. Bad idea. Well, they didn't find it. Okay. They did not find it. They didn't take the shoe apart. Still don't do that. Yeah. Don't do that. I was going to say my brother's shoes. They find this. They find it. Now you got a whole nother charge. Yeah. Yeah. I'm thinking like where, where do you like, where do you pick where I wouldn't think to do that. Take them before you walk in. Like where, where do you get like, I guess,
You know, some felons from work or whatever. Cause the first question that I have is like me as a norm, like I say me as a normal person, not that you aren't normal, but I'm like, me is like, if the cops would have asked me to answer questions, I would have been like, okay, I want to think I'm not talking without a lawyer. And yeah, I'm just curious. Like, I mean, really it's just in like every movie you've ever watched. Right. And even though in my mind, I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't do anything, you know, other than protect myself in my own home.
clear cut self defense. I've watched movies where it's said, you know, look, don't talk to the cops. It was one specific movie. I forgot who was in it, but the guy was like, he said, cops don't ask questions. He said, they plant landmines for you to blow yourself up and then they hammer you. So like those kinds of things just played in my head. Listen, even just knowing the justice system, the way I know it, the fact that he texted his wife saying, I shot Liam come quickly. I would, uh, a,
A prosecutor would have a field day with that. Well, a lot of things you could have said Liam attacks me and I shot him comes. Why didn't you say that? Why didn't you do it? Did your wife know like they'll take that and twist it into a conspiracy where not only do they get you they'll also be able to indict your wife somehow they'll twist it and you'll be like that. I was it's all like attack. Yeah, I'm trying to let her know. Yeah, like are you serious like and they'll twist it. They'll twist it. You don't remind me.
I saw I saw I know it was just a post and it was a guy it was a text message where the guy texts his wife. She's like, what did she say? Oh, that's the one you said to me yesterday.
Is it where he's supposed to say baby? And I said, yeah, he says, did I text it? Cause it's fucking, listen, I, if you see it, you, if you're been married, you just know, okay. You can see the little things typing up there. He's supposed to say something like baby, but the auto correct says Abby. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's
It's when autocorrect hates you and your relationship that can I go to or can we go to the gym tomorrow? He is sure Abby and then he thinks baby anybody. Oh boy. Here it goes. She's already see the bubbles. She's already typing like oh boy and that is exactly and if the prosecutors a woman.
So before you get back into it, what is the gathering like? Like what are the conversations? What are the emotions? A lot of you're going to be okay. Well, there wasn't, there might've been some of that. And I, I hated that throughout the whole process, but like it was real, like uncomfortable, I guess, like we cook steaks and everybody's like,
So what are you doing? I mean, it was like, nobody really knew what to say. So I can see everybody being like, Hey bro, don't you worry. It's going to be okay. And me being there and you glancing at me being like, well, see, that was the thing expect for it to go as bad as possible. My friends were there. It was all my family. My friends would have been there. Probably it would have been lightened up a little bit, but it was all my family. I like my family's like, you know, my dad's pretty laid back, but everybody else was like,
This is going to like very like strict rule following people So to them this was just like a whole big thing and they're all just kind of they're they're acting scared Which is making me scared. So the whole thing was this it was really tense I was trying my best to kind of stay, you know positive spirits or whatever and I know where I'm going I know that the prison or whatever the jail and I googled it that night and I'm like he'll think Lee detention center the first thing that pops up in make murder and he'll think the detention I'm like Jesus Christ
And so it just, I did not go in in a good place. I'll put it like that mentally. So when they dropped me off, there's like this gazebo type thing up there right outside the prison, which is nice. You know, the scenery that nobody can touch. And so we go up to that and you know, I'm hugging everybody and you know, kissing everybody by and all that. And then there's a cop right outside the door and I go up and she,
Cuss me. We immediately go in. We do the normal stuff. We do the fingerprint and the mug shot and worst fucking mug shot in history. Colby, thanks for putting that in a few of your thumbnails too, by the way. Like you, which I don't, I don't want to go in there looking sharp. You know, I don't want to go in there with a hedge up or nothing. I don't want to go in there looking attractive by any means. So I went in there looking like shit. I see the opening scene from the blacklist where Reddington walks in, tells him my name.
Reddington and then steps back, puts his stuff down and gets on his knees. Cause the SWAT team comes out of all the doors and to arrest you walk. I could see you walking in. She was waiting right outside of the front. I've never even been in this police station at all. So I didn't know what she's waiting right outside of the door. So we go in there, we do all the normal stuff. And then they, like I said, they fingerprint me and mug shot me. They take the shoes and they take the laces out.
And they, they take, they turn the shoes over and they bam, like beat the shit out of it on the concrete and never take the soul up. Right. They just beat it down. And I'm going to say, Oh, at that point I'm thinking, Oh shit, they find that. What am I going to say? But they never found it. So they've given back on. So now I'm trying to figure out a walk with no shoelaces in the damn thing. And there's this guy that it was arrested. I'm assuming he was in there for a DUI cause he's like hammered and he's sitting on the bench. I'm sitting on the bench and like, the only thing I remember is like, don't talk to nobody.
He's sitting there, he looks at me and goes, bench of shame, huh? I was like, yeah, I guess you could say that. What did he say? Bench of shame. So we're sitting on like this little bench right before they take us into the holding area. So they grab us both, they take us into holding. There's probably like maybe seven or eight people in there total.
You know, most people are sleeping, not paying, you know, any attention. I'm in it to give you this like half mat sleeping bag looking thing. It looks dirty as shit. Go in there. It's cold. It's bright as hell. Like there's, you know, just one little jug of water up front. I'm going up there. I'm not talking to anybody. Just I go sit, you know, in the corner, the biker comes up beside me and just talking. I'm just saying, huh? Yeah.
Uh-huh. We're in there about, I don't know, an hour. They call me, him, and this other kid to go in front of the magistrate. Well, I already know that I can't get bond from the magistrate. It's just a formality that you got to go. Yeah. Well, my last name is Williamson. So I'm W automatically at the end unless somebody else is a W. They do the kid first. He's like, oh, you got simple possession, you know, whatever you get a PR bond. They do the guy as a second DUI, you know, this is your bond, yada, yada, yada.
They do mine. Now we're all handcuffed, wrist to wrist, wrist to ankle, you know, doing the little shimmy. And they go, Mr. Williamson, you're arrested for a murder and possession of a weapon during a violent crime. You can't be seen by magistrate. You'll be seen by the circuit court. And that dude sitting beside me on that bench and he's like, flips his head around. So when we go back into the holding, he immediately goes right to where we were sitting, grabs the shit and goes to the other side.
That which you know, it's like maybe a blessing. I got to have to worry about him rest of the time. But what I see is he, he also probably went and told all the other people that were there. Oh yeah. That dude over there is fucking here for a murder, bro. Like you're gonna have no problem. That's a respectable charge. Yeah. In a way it is. In a way it is. It really is. You know, they don't fuck with you. And I felt bad for that dude because he had asthma.
And like he's in there, found like he's about to die. Like he's trying to breathe air through a flattened straw, keeps ringing the buzzer. I need my, I mean, there's like, we're, we're working on it. We'll try to get it. Never brought me inhaler to hold two damn days. Never. He's lucky to die. They don't care. I didn't care. I felt bad for him. So this was Sunday night, Monday morning. I've got buying court wake up. I took the ambient that night. Still only slept like three hours. Usually an ambient puts me out for good.
Took me in that night, wake up the next morning. They come and they call a bunch of us. So, you know, I say bunch, there was like two or three of us from that room. Then they walk us. I guess there's like an underground like thing from the jail to the courthouse.
So I'm walking. This is like the most intimidating walk you can imagine. It's like I'm going into something out of Game of Thrones. It's like old school stone walls. It's cold. There's inmates in front of me. There's inmates behind me. They're walking me. They get me in this room and they put me in this room. And there's probably like 10 other guys in there. Now these guys are in jumpsuits. I'm still in my street clothes. And so I go in, I sit down and I guess it's just a thing where everybody's kind of got to wait their turn to be seen by the judge.
And these people are talking, this one guy's talking about, he's got to go do a trial, be testifying or trial in Atlanta. And he's not going to really testify to help out the police. He's just going because they got better food in Atlanta and to see if he can escape on the way. Sure, bro. Yeah, sure. To see if he can escape somewhere. This one guy just said his sister on fire. He's got to go see the judge to see what he's going to get. He's hoping he don't get the max. I mean, these people are just all having these conversations and I'm just sitting over there in a corner like,
Holy God. I mean, cause I've been around some, my people are wild, but they're not criminals. So I never drink and they're raised, they'll maybe a bar fight or two, but they're not doing this kind of shit. And I'm just, I'm not saying nothing. And one guy is like, he's like, you're the guy from came Bay. And I kind of like quickly turned my head and he's like, we get the news in here on me. He's like, I seen you yesterday. He's like, you got a lawyer. I said, yeah. He's like, good. That's what's up. Doesn't say nothing else. So we find they get me.
They call me the lady comes gets me out and they walk me into this courtroom bonus courtroom is massive I mean huge judge like way up there on the on the top I go in I see you know some of my people scattered out in the crowd and they take me to stay with me next my lawyer and so that's like the bond hearing and you know the.
The state's trying to say why I'm this minister society. I'm this whole person. I don't need to be let out. My lawyer said the same thing you did earlier. Look, he's got kids. He's worked at the same place for umpteen amount of time, respectable member of the community, never been in trouble. He needs to be out. And so they're going back and forth. I feel pretty good about it. And the judge, anything I've ever seen on TV, they've always been like either bond granted or bond denied. So she looks and she's like, okay, I'll make my decision and let you know. Bam.
And I look at my lawyer, I'm like, what the hell does that mean? And he's like, I guess that means she'll let us know. And so I'm already getting carted off, you know, for the next guy to come in there and we get to the back where they got to change like from, you know, the side to the front and all that. And I asked the guy, I was like, I said, so what does that mean that she'll let us know? And he's like, ah, you'll probably have an answer in about a week or so. I'm like a week or so you gotta be shitting me.
So like I'm panicking at that point. I don't even know that I'm going to get it. I'm thinking it wasn't clear enough that she did it then, right? You know, maybe she's there's something that I don't know. So I get back to the holding finally all the way back to the holding area. I think about an hour goes by. I get my wife on the phone and she already knows she's like, Hey, you got bond. I'm like, and she's like, but you might not get out to tomorrow.
She's like, they got to do all the paperwork. They got to process everything. So you might have to stay another night in jail. And I'm like, all right, well, I can do one more night if I can, you know, had you even done a night? No, never. Okay. No. So I'm saying like, she said one, well, at that point, yeah, I went in Sunday. I got seen in bond court on Monday. This was Monday evening. So I done one. Okay. Yeah. So I had spent that first night in jail. This was now I was going to have to do the second night. I missed it. Colby. Did I miss it?
So I go in Sunday afternoon, I get processed and all that, spend the night. The next morning they take me to the binary. Then I find out that evening, I got it, but it's probably not going to be to the next day. So I'm going to have to do the second night in jail.
And, but it's in the holding. So it's not really terrible. The only bad part about it is they constantly bring people in just getting arrested. And there was probably like nine guys that come in all altogether, uh, some Mexican gentlemen, I guess they arrested them all in the same car. And I mean, just, I don't know what the hell they were saying, but they would not shut up, couldn't get any sleep. And then like 10 30, there's two guys getting out periodically. Like they're, they're getting bonds like 10 30 somebody comes in and they call Williams.
I sprung off the top bunk, like 10 feet landing in front of the guard. I'm like, that's me. Am I getting out? And he's like, now we're transferring here to CPOD. And I'm just like, Oh, I was like, you know, I'm supposed to be getting out of here tomorrow, bro. You sure you want to be doing all that? Like it's a lot of paperwork and you know, you don't have to do it. He's like, he looks at me and he's like, you're Leah's dad, right? That's my daughter. And I'm like,
Yeah. And he's like, my wife's her gymnastics teacher. And I'm like, Oh, nice to meet you. Do I really got to be going to this thing? I'm like, I'm getting out in the morning. The bonds already done. I'm good. He's like, it just goes in order. When you come in, he's like, it's nothing against you personally. He was like, it's just a order. When you come in, you get cycled in. He's like, you'll be, you'll be fine. Charlie pods. Great. And I'm just like, I don't really know if that's accurate. I don't, I don't think you can put that together. No, nothing in here is fucking great. Not at all.
So we go and I get the orange jumpsuit. I get the toilet paper roll, the three in one shower gel, a bar soap, a cup and a toothbrush looking thing that I really didn't even want to put in my mouth. And he's like, all right, we're going to go. So we go, he drops me off and it's basically like one big ass room with a TV on it with these huge plastic chairs with no corners on them. It's like everything just like really wide out, I guess. So you can't pick them up and hit them, hit nobody with it.
And there's a doorway at the bottom and a doorway at the top. And then those are other just long rooms with bed bunk beds on each side. I'd never been in before. I didn't know what none of this was. And he's like, you know, just go upstairs or go on the bottom. And he's like, just find you a bunk. You know, you just chill out. Don't, you know, don't cause any shit. You'll be out in the morning. So I go to the top one. I walk in, everybody's got all the bottom ones, obviously.
I walk all the way to the back, all the way to the front. And I see the guy that said his sister on fire. The only friendly face I see in the whole joy or the guy I knew, I don't want to say friendly face, but I see him and I was like, I said, you care if I get up there? He's like, no, man, go ahead. And I was like, I said, uh, I know he wasn't supposed to talk. I was like, I said, well, how'd it go by the way? He said, man, I got 15 years. He's like, that was good. He's like, I was facing 30. He's like, so I'm good. I'm blessed. It's like, uh, well, I mean, I, you know, I guess that's the way to look at it. Yeah. That's the best way to look at it. How's your sister? Yeah.
Oh, not so much. So we're in there. I mean, like, I'm just laying up there, just staring at the roof in this jail. And I'm just like, how the fuck did I get here? Like, this isn't supposed to happen. This is like, you know, this is why you have a gun. This is why you take CWP courses, which I had taken, which I had a license to carry. Like this is, this is in their class. This is what this is used for. And yet here my ass is staring at the top of the ceiling, freezing to death, by the way.
But while I was in there, I'll say like, I think everybody needs to do a night or two in county. I don't wish prison on them, but right in county, go do a night or two, not don't go in for what I went in for. But you know, just, I think it would just open your eyes because I was expecting the worst and it really wasn't. You had guys in there that were trying to uplift other people like, Hey,
You get out, you can do a landscaping business. You can start this. It's not too late. You've not totally screwed it up. You can turn this around. It's three guys talking to one guy. And so I'm like, that's actually pretty cool that they were doing that. And so I'm starting to get a little bit more at ease. I hadn't took a shower. I felt filthy. And I was like, do I take a shower or not?
I'm kind of just trying to, I was like, I've seen, this is what I've seen in odds and movies. You know, things don't go too well in the shower. So I decided I'm going to do it. It's like two 30 in the morning and I'm heading in there and one guy stopped and he's like, go in the shower. And I'm just like, I can't say no, that's the only place you go. And I'm like, yeah, he's like, oh, you know how to shower works, right? With the little thing, you know, you put the thing in there and I'm like, oh yeah. Well, that's, I didn't know how it works, but I told him, yeah. And I'm like, oh yeah, you know, yeah, same as last time. Right. Yeah. I go in there.
I didn't know what the hell I was doing. There was like a little piece of plastic, I guess, that you wedge in there somehow or another, because when you hit it, it only stays running for like four seconds. Yeah. And then it cuts off. Yeah. Usually they'll have, a lot of the times they'll have a pen that you could put the pen in. So I guess that slid in there somehow. I couldn't figure it out. So I had to take a shower like this. So I take the shower, come out, everything was all good. Wake up the next morning, you know, fairly
After right after breakfast, they come, they call and like when they call my name to get out, everyone's like, yo, you getting out? I'm like, yeah. What that morning he come to me and offer me a job. One of the guys offered me a job. He's like, you need a job, man. I can put you doing something. I'm like, I actually, I got bombed, bro. I'm getting out of here. Hopefully we're in a couple hours. He's like, all right, don't worry about it. What do you mean? One of the guys, like one of the, I guess, like I would call him the head guy. I don't know if he was a trustee or he was a prisoner, but I guess it would be the, yeah. Okay. Yeah. They clean they, whatever. So he's going to give you a job. Like you'll do all the,
Yeah. So he offered me a job, but then I was like, I was like, now I'm getting out. So he's like, all right, we won't do that. He, I'd seen him the night before he was like, he had water bags in a suitcase or not suitcase, but a pillowcase. And that's what he was using is like a, a weight to lift. Like these are some engine ingenious people in there, like to block the air conditioning flow. And they wet the paper towels and throw them up there and block the AC from, I mean, like,
They come up with some crazy stuff from there. So, but as they call me to get out, like I get flocked, they're like, Oh bro, you get now, can I have this? Can I have this? Can I have your toilet paper? Y'all can have the whole damn bag. I don't, I don't need none of it. So I get out and like, that's kind of the first, I've been holding that in for, you know, four days since all this happened. I get out, I'm thinking, well, at least I still got a job, you know? So I called up my job. I told them it was like, Hey, I didn't even know if they knew I got arrested because I hadn't talked to them since then.
So I get out, I was like, Hey, I said, you know, I'm coming in Monday. It's like, all right, we'll see you when you get here. Monday. I go Monday. It's like, Hey, can you head on over to the, uh, you know, president's office? It's a president company or not president company, GM of the facility. No, no. Go over there. I was like, Oh boy, this, this probably isn't good. So he goes in, sits down. It's way, you know, what, what happened? I kind of give him a little, you know, brief overview. And he's like, man, unfortunately, man, we got to let you go.
And I'm just like, why? And he was like, you know, he's like, it's just, it's a security thing. He's like, if you all get it clear, all this, you know, why are you back? And I'm just, he's like, but I can't imagine what you're going through right now. I'm like, imagine getting fired on top of it. That shit don't help. And so now I thought I was, at least I had a job. I could fight it now. I don't have a job. So I called wife when I left and like, all right, well, it's,
I hate to say it got worse, but it did get worse. Um, now I don't have a job. So now I'm applying for food stamps, Medicaid, everything. Cause now I've got a pending murder charge on my record. I don't know how easy it's going to be to get a job. So that was kind of the first in between that and still kind of prepping to fight this case. I'm looking for employment. So I started looking at waste management. Uh, they, it was like a container shop welder. So the trash cans that get beat all to hell.
you go and, you know, if they get dented up, you cut out the old parts, weld in new parts. Cause that's what I am by trades of welder. And so I go in and I'm like, I don't know whether to tell these people what's going on or to hide it. And so when it got to the point about, you know, have you ever been arrested for anything? I told this guy like, listen,
As a matter of fact, I was arrested like a week ago and I tell him the whole story and he's like, man, I took some criminal law. You know, when I was in college, you don't sound like you have anything to worry about. He said, he seemed like a good guy. He's like, I'll still hire you. I'm like, dude, thank you. I appreciate it. You know what, and what I was making at the other place, but it was still a job. And so I come home and tell the wife, I'm like, Hey, you know, I told him I was honest and he's still wanting to hire me. Well, it runs through corporate in Arizona.
They send the letter back. Unfortunately, you have a pending felony on your record. We are hereby resending our offer for employment and waste management. So now I know I can't go anywhere established that's going to run my background because I got a pending murder charge. So the places that I would go to have now shrunk from this big availability to this. I find a sign company that's looking for a fabricator. I put in an application with them. He calls me.
This time I don't say it. I don't put that I've been convicted because of that point that I haven't. I checked the box, you know, ever been convicted? No. I just basically kind of break it down. It's like, Hey, I worked with new core. You know, I was looking to get out of the swing shift thing. My son's fixing to get in sports. I want to be able to work day shift, be a little bit more involved. I kind of swing that angle with him. He's like, Oh man, I can't pay you what you're making there. I was like, I'm not asking you to, I was like, you know, what, whatever's reasonable. I'm fair. I said, I just want something straight days where I don't have to work nights anymore.
And so he's like, all right, we can bring you on at this. I agree to it. You know, wasn't great, but it was still a job and it was money. And that was the biggest thing right now. So start there. It's great. Going good. Meeting everybody. You know, everybody's nice. I'm like three months in to this job. And he comes to me and he's like, Hey, we got a job at your old place. And I'm like old place. And he's like, yeah, new course that we got to go there and put out a sign. I'm like, really? He's like, yeah, it's the led sign outside.
I'm praying to God that they're just talking with people outside and they don't have to go in the plant because then they're going to be talking. Sure enough, they go in, I guess they talk with somebody. They tell them, yeah, we got a guy working with us. He used to work out here. What's his name? Uh, Wade. Oh, I know ways. How's that charge is going? What charge? The murder charge. You know, he got arrested for shooting that guy. Huh? They didn't know. Well, now they know.
So I find out that job. No. So I'm like, just nervous as shit, anxiety, ulcer written that they're going to call me and fire me. They never, the owners never mentioned it. The guy that was kind of like my supervisor mentioned it, just kind of asked me what happened. And I gave him the breakdown, but he,
I don't know. I know they had to know because there was periods of time where you would have to go on Air Force bases to do what we had to do. They would never send me on those jobs because you had to have a clean background, but they would send me on everything else. So I know they knew, but they never mentioned it, which
is great, but in a way it was worse because every day I was like, is this the day he's going to call me? Right. I was going to say that during that three month period, before you got to that point, I was thinking to art is every day you're showing up thinking, is this the day? Is this the day? Yeah. After that, I was like, are they going to call me and think about the way? Why didn't you tell me? Why didn't you say this? Right.
But I think what it was, I had established myself that I was never late. I was always there, done whatever they needed, worked overtime, would show up early. I think they kind of knew I was a good guy, even though they didn't know the whole story. Cause at this point I hadn't been doing podcasts or anything. They didn't know the whole story. And I never talked to them or told it to them either. So I guess they just, you know, rolled with it, but it was still a hell not, not being able to know if like, if I was going to get fired any day in there because they found out.
So I worked there from, I'd say 2018 right after it happened. This was less than a month after I got out of jail. I was there and I worked there all the way till 2020. Now in regards to the case, what's going on is we're going ahead and trying to put everything together for a immunity hearing or what he calls a Duncan hearing first based on self-defense and castle law.
So the first thing that we have is, um, discovery hearing. So we had that and that's not where you can bring out evidence or whatever is basically the cops are just saying, Hey, this is why we charged him. So it's the detective that's on the case and my lawyer, he ate her alive during that discovery hearing to the point to where the judge almost tossed it.
Like she even said at the end, she's like, while there's not a lot here to support this charge, given the circumstances, I am going to bind it to trial. This was in, I think June. So the shooting happened in April, a preliminary hearing in June. So the next step now is to go to trial. But my lawyer has always already said, we're going to say, all right, we want to immunity hearing based on self-defense and the council law. If we have that and we win it, there is no trial. You're done. You're protected from everything. That's our next step.
So he has his forensics investigator from New York. They fly to the house. They go in the house. They set up the little lasers that you see on like the CSI things or whatever, you know, that shows the bullet pass trajectory. Right. So when we were locked up and I shot him the three times, one bullet stayed in him. Two came out, one hit the refrigerator and hit off the handle, the refrigerator, and then ricocheted and hit a wall.
in the kitchen, like right above my dog pen. The other one went through a 24 pack of water that was to the left of the refrigerator, like right up against it, but just on the counter. They didn't even find the one that was in the water. I found that one after I got out of jail.
and we had to call them to come out there and retrieve it. So that ought to give you a little bit of a heads up of what kind of police work was actually done. They didn't even find one of the damn bullets, right? They knew two of them were there. They only recovered one. So when he comes there, he hooks up a laser from the wall that shoots back to the refrigerator that then shoots in the corner of the kitchen where I said we were standing. And so we're trying to line it up where he, the, my lawyer can get a visual of where everybody was standing.
And one of the investigators that was on our team was kind of about the same height as this guy. They had a shirt made to where the exit wounds were on the shirt to represent where they come out at.
So he's like, all right, I want you to put Steve where you were, you know, put him how you guys work. So he's standing there and I'm in front, but it wasn't quite like lining up. It was off a little bit. And he's like, well, something's not adding up. I'm like, well, he wasn't just standing there. And he's like, what do you mean? I said, well, when he swung, he kind of took a step like that. And I said, and he was already coming back, like charging me, like kind of crouched down in football tackle. I was like, so take a step back. He took a step back and I was like, all right, now crouch down. Like you're fixing to run at me.
And when he did that, that dot went right on that mark on that shirt. And so then my lawyer was like, he said, that's all I need. He said, you're in a corner. He said, he's coming at you. He's charging at you. You know, he's coming, you fired. It goes there. It hits the refrigerator, hits the wall. He said, that's all I need. I'm good. And so we got that ready and we're like, all right, we're just waiting. Well, that was probably.
2019, we're trying to get a date. COVID happens. COVID shuts down 2020. Yeah. So it's, I mean, you know, this process is, you know, six, eight months, nine months. That was just, uh, we got all that done because everybody's preparing everything. It was probably a year in before that happened. And then right after that, when he's like, all right, we're going to try to get a date. That was like six months out. Then COVID happens. So that shuts the court systems down and everything, at least in person.
And so they asked him is like, do you want to do anything via zoom or anything like that? He's like, absolutely not. He's like, I work in a courtroom. He was like, I don't hold this off as long. Yeah. And so like me, I'm wanting to get it over with because I'm thinking of quicker. I get this over with. I can move on with my life. And he's like, look,
He's like, I'm not saying that you need this. He's like, but the longer you drag things out, he's like, people move, people die, stuff gets lost. He's like, people quit caring, people quit paying attention. He was like, if you're good, if you're working and you're good, then let it be. And so I'm like, all right, look, you're a lawyer.
So I'm still making payments to him all this time to get that 15 grand caught up. When I got fired from Nucor, I drew out my entire 401k, cashed it out, got all the money. I paid my wife back. I paid my mom back. I paid him his 15 that he needed for the retainer. I paid off my car. That way I had no bills. And so that way the less money I was making on the job, I was able to kind of at least keep my head above water.
So when COVID happens, the sign company actually cuts back and then they released me. So now I'm back without a job. So I'm looking again. I see this fabricator job come open. My wife actually found it. She sent it to me. So I called the guy, speak with him, go out and do the interview. He calls me back like two days later. He's like, man, it's like, I want to, I want to hire you. He's like, you know, want to offer you the job or whatever. And I met him. He was from Texas, like, you know, good old boy. And I was just,
I don't know what, what possessed me to do. I was like, look, bro, I got something to tell you. I was like, I said, my last job, I worked for damn near a year and a half and it just gave me anxiety every day. I just want to lay something on the table with you. I was like, I was involved in a shooting. I still got stuff going on with the lawyer. I may have to be out here and there to go to court cases or hearings or whatever. And I broke down the story and told it to him. And he's like, bro, I'm from Texas. He's like, you didn't do shit. I wouldn't have done. He said, I ain't got no problem with it. And I'm like, dude, I'll be there whenever you want me to start.
And so that going into that, knowing that his name is Michael Meyer, not Myers, like the serial killer Meyer. I mean, going into that was just like the biggest weight and almost the biggest weight off of me possible because I didn't have to worry if they knew he already knew. So I didn't feel judged coming in there. He was great. His wife was great. Not too long after that, I made, um, uh, lead man months later, I made supervisors. I was pretty much running the shop, you know, by the time all this started coming to a head.
Well, all this is still going on with the courts. They're still backed up. They're finally starting to get people to come in and do things. Well, the solicitor changed. So they had one solicitor that was like this young
younger. I think he relished the fact that he was going up against a hot shot lawyer like I had. He was younger, kind of a hot shot himself. And I think he liked that challenge. And I'm sitting here kind of stuck in the middle of this, because in between there, we would go back to try to get bond reductions to where I could go out and do stuff. This whole time, I can't leave the house. I can't go anywhere. I never had a monitor on.
but you're still technically curfew. Yeah. It wasn't even curfew. I wasn't supposed to be out. Like if I wasn't at work, a doctor's visit, a lawyer's visit or church, I'm not, I'm supposed to be home. Right now.
You're pretty sociable person you like to go to concert Yes, which was it was it was not as bad as prison, but it was damn close. It was driving me nuts So I tried to drive for uber just so I could get out of the house denied tried to drive for Lyft denied uber eats denied
However, there was an app called Postmates. I don't know if you know what Postmates, have you ever heard of it? It's kind of that same thing. If you wanted to hammer in a screwdriver from Lowe's, it puts it on a credit card that I have that's prepaid for the exact amount. I go, I pay for it. I drop it off at your doorstep. We never meet. It's like a contactless, you know, kind of system. Right. They approved me. Okay. So I work for them for,
About three years, I never made one delivery, but I did work for him technically for about three years. So that was what I would use. If I needed to go out or go somewhere, do something, I would go on the app. I would put on there that I was working. I had the bag in the back seat of the car. I had the little credit card. And if I ever got pulled over and somebody questioned it, I'd be like, look, dude, I'm working. I'm waiting for a job. You know, I can't sit at the house. Yeah.
You know, I'm so far off the beaten path. It's not even registering that they need jobs out there. So it was kind of the perfect cover because my lawyer told me he's like, if you get caught away from your house, he's like, we can work with almost anything except a DUI. He's like, that is not going to be something that I'm going to be happy to have a conversation with you about. And so that's kind of how I went with it. I had that app. It was working. If I needed to go here, go there, run it a grocery store, go to Walmart, whatever. So I felt a little bit comfortable.
I never got pulled over. Nobody ever asked me about it. Even times when I did get pulled over, nobody ever brought it up. Nobody ever questioned about it. I got pulled over in the work truck for speeding one time. We now work with a sign company. Nobody ever brought it up.
I don't know. I don't know if they're watching like the first six months. I didn't do anything. I was just like, they're probably watching me across the street. But then as it, as that kind of progressed, I'm like, look, I don't, you know, I started getting a little bit braver, going a little bit more, a little bit more, and I didn't abuse it, but I definitely didn't stay like I was supposed to. But I mean, I had the app to, to back it up, justify me being home. So that kind of progresses. The solicitor gets changed.
They do allow me to go to my son's sporting events. I can do that. So anything he has football related or whatever, I can do that. Well, I go from that to I become a coach. Then they start doing out of town tournaments. So I'm able to travel with that. So I'm great. I mean, I like doing that, but I'm grabbing anything that can get me out and associating. So when you say solicitor, just to be sure you mean like the district attorney. That's what we call them in South Carolina. It's the same thing, but they just call them solicitors. All right.
Yeah, I don't know why that they call them refer to them as solicitors down there, but that's, that's what they call them. Now that is kind of where the podcast comes in because around COVID around that job, I'm getting so bored. I'm about to lose my mind and I got the idea to start a podcast.
I talked to a buddy of mine that I've known since high school. He had already had a podcast. His was geared more towards photography. So I started like kind of picking his brain about what to do. And he's like, well, what do you want to cover? And I'm like, I don't know, man, true crime, you know, talk about movies, you know, serial killers, whatever the case. And I was like, you know, he's like, so you want to do crime and entertainment. And I'm like, that's a pretty damn catchy name. I like that.
So I started crime and entertainment. Originally we were just audio that kind of blossomed into doing interviews, Lilo Brancato, who was in the Bronx tail. If you've seen that movie, he was my first ever interview. And then just little by little, man, it started snowballing. I started gaining better interviews, making connections. Um, Anthony Ruggiano, who's a former mobster.
I made a connection with him and he invited me to New York to do some stuff. Now, I'm not telling nobody as I'm doing these podcasts and I'm currently on house arrest fighting a murder charge. Right. They don't know this.
And so he's inviting me to come to New York and he's like, man, come on down to New York. He's like, we got a studio when he can meet this person, this person. I'm like, okay, let me check with the wife. Meanwhile, the wife is actually the lawyer who's going to see if I can go. Right. And so I call him up and I'm like, look, this is technically a job. You know, I'm YouTube and I'm making money. It's not very much, a couple of dollars, but you know, can I go to New York? And so he runs it by the, uh, solicitor. The solicitor says, yeah.
Let's me go all the way to New York. I go from Thursday to Sunday evening. I don't have to check in and I had to tell my, um,
The people that had done my bond, Sinclair Bale bondsman, I did have to tell them when I left and when I got back. And I didn't even talk to nobody. I had to leave a message on an answering machine. I think they knew that if you got Andy Savage as a lawyer, you're not going to skip town. So I never even talked to anybody on the phone the whole entire time. We went one time when I was going on this trip in New York and told him, and that's when he was like, well, just call and let us know when you go and you get back. Those were messages. I never talked to anybody the whole time I was out on bond.
So we go, the podcast goes good, you know, goes good. We do a lot of shows, some for my channel, some for his channel. One of them winds up at the time being his biggest show, had almost a hundred thousand views. So it was starting to snowball a little bit. Then he asked me to come back. It's probably like six months later and I called him. I'm like, Hey, you know, I got a chance to go back to New York for something else.
And he's like, well, he's like, if you want me to ask, I'll ask. But he's like, I don't know if they're going to keep letting it go. And I'm like, well, this thing could be like a reoccurring thing. I may have to keep going. And so he's like, let me see if we can just get something going on this resolution for your case at this time. It's almost five years that this thing had been going on five years, 2018. It happened. We've got 2019, 2020, 2021, 22. It was like 2023 is starting to wrap up. It's closing in on five years.
And I'm like, yeah, I'd love to get the shit behind me. Like I'm really ready. Cause if this podcast keeps going, I'm going to need to go a lot of different places and I don't want it to stop me. So they let me go the second time I go to New York and come back. And so he's like, look, he said, I've got an idea. He's like, but I don't know if you're going to be comfortable with this or not. He said, we're going to call and just the new solicitor that he got hired was a younger guy from the district attorney's office.
He said, we're going to call him and he's like, we're going to show them everything we've got. He said, we're going to lay it all on the table. And he said, we think it's going to be so damn strong that they're not even going to want to go for an immunity or they're just going to drop it. He's like, but the downside to that is if we don't get it,
You showed him everything we have. Yeah, you showed him your hand. And so like, I'm just sitting back. I'm nervous and I don't know what to do. I'm burning one down. I'm listening to some jelly roll, trying to get my head right. I don't know what to do. And finally, I just told the wife, I'm like, I think we're going to do it. I'm going to just let him do it. I don't think he would have brought it to me if he wasn't confident in it.
And so like, and meanwhile, this, these whole five years, man, it's, it's tough. It's like going to the doctor and them telling you if you got terminal cancer and I'm like, all right, we'll call you with the results and you never get called. Right. Because in the middle of all this, my daughter graduated. They did allow me to go to the graduation, but I couldn't go to dinner or anything with them. I had to come straight back home. So like, I can't even enjoy the graduation without thinking, am I going to see my son graduate? Right. Am I going to be around for that?
I can't enjoy a Christmas because I don't know if that's going to be the last Christmas, Easter, birthdays, anniversaries. You never know if one of them is going to be the last one you have because this is some serious shit. We're talking to life in prison or, you know, 30 to life. Basically I think there are 25 to life, 30 to life. One of them, a life was on the end of it. So I made the decision to tell Andy, I was like, all right, we're going to do it. So he brings a solicitor back down here. They come back to the house. They kind of get some notes.
and they put together like a video montage. He brings the solicitor back down. Where? What do you mean? Here? The, the, I'm sorry. I said solicitor. I'm an investigator, the forensics investigator. He brings them from New York to our house in South Carolina. Okay. Cause that guy's based out of New York. He just brings them down when he has work for him to do with cases. Okay. So he owns his own forensics business in New York. His name is John Palucci. I think is his name.
So he comes back down, he comes back to the house, he's making some notes and basically what they're doing is they're prepping like a little slide presentation. And so we set up a date. We all go to the police station, me, my lawyer, my investigator, Steve, and the forensics guy.
And we put it in there and we play it. And it's like clip by clip of that morning, you know, he's like, you know, my client said that there was a struggle and you guys said there was no evidence of a struggle, you know, cause that's what during the preliminary hearing, the detective, she was like, you know, we found no evidence that there was a struggle. We don't think that we're in close proximity. She basically tried to say, I was lying about everything that I said that happened. So in this he's like, you know, y'all said there wasn't no evidence of a struggle.
So he took a screenshot from that first arriving officer's body cam and zoomed into the corner. And you could see a knocked over shot glass on the ground that had like obviously rolled up under the, you know, the edge of the counter in there. And he's like, here, you have a knocked over shot glass here. And it zoomed in with the air to it over here. You have another knocked over glass on the corner where he got knocked into zoomed into it. He's like, obviously this is signs of a struggle, right? Then it went to like more of the directional of the bullets. He's like,
You know, you guys are trying to say that he was farther away from, you know, than he said he was. My kitchen's only width-wise six feet, if that. If he's farther away from me, then he's falling against the refrigerator and, you know, hitting against it. He can't fall flat. And his head's probably like that far from the refrigerator.
And what they did was they really kind of screwed themselves on that because they were trying to say that he was farther back. Had he been farther back, these bullets would have hit kind of almost side by side, and each mark would have been close together.
Because he was so close, they had a chance to V out, which is why one hit the water and then one hit the door ricocheted and hit the wall. Right. Because of the trajectory of the weapon. If, if he was closer, you were twisting. So it was a huge spread, but if he was laying against the thing, you would have fired twice into boom, boom. Yeah. And if he was further back, like I said, he did probably fill up against the refrigerator or like half up against it or something. Right. He was stretched out across the floor because if you, and one of his, his right leg,
was bent behind his left leg. And he went through and showed like a bunch of things of people getting shot and the way their bodies would just collapse. Right. And it was in line with that. He's like, there's like a collapse. That's why this leg is behind the other one. Cause it, the force hit him and he just fell straight back. Right. And so all of that stuff was like scientific reasons why everything lined up to where it said they collected a shell casing from my kitchen sink. I didn't even know about this. This was the first time I ever heard about it.
A shell casing was in the sink because when you fire the gun, the bullets come out, you know, bounce them to the right. Yeah. One went into the sink. He's like, there's no other reason that bullet casing would have been in the sink. Had he not been backed up in that corner right next to the sink? Like he said, he was, he's like, he's not just going to pick a showcase and I'm put in the sink. And I, that was the first time I'd ever seen that. And I was like, well, that's pretty damn obvious too. I didn't even know that.
they then start focusing in on the clothes. And he was like, you guys are saying that there was no blood on his clothes, but there's not going to be. I had on a white long sleeve t-shirt, right? But he had on three layers of clothes. He had on like a t-shirt, then a long sleeve shirt, like an under armor, and then another, uh, like thin hoodie shirt over the top of that. So when all these bullets hit, there was no back spatter on me.
had there been, it would have been, it would have been contained within the clothing. Right. Exactly. And that was one of their biggest thing was, you know, he said he was so close, but yet he didn't have any blood on him. And, you know, he tried to do life saving measures or so he claimed, but there was still no blood on him. Like, who do you think put the fucking towel there? Like nobody else was in the house. He didn't go get it. Like, who do you think went and got that? And so he broke all that down and it was just every reason that they had that I was guilty or that I was lying. He basically scientifically broke it apart.
Then the next part was like, all right, we're going to show you the evidence that we have on him. Now I wasn't allowed to do that part. And he was like, he said, just go to your house. He's like, we're coming there next. We're bringing the solicitor. We're bringing his number two. We're bringing up detective investigators. Yeah. Or solicitor investigator. Like his basically.
The solicitor, his number two and the investigator of that crime scene for the police department was all coming to my house with my lawyer, my investigator and my friend, this guy. That was the third stop. We went there. He showed them what we had. They showed them what they had, which was nothing. Because when I got to the house, my investigator got there first and I was like, I said, so what do they have on me? He's like, nothing. What do you mean? Nothing. He's like, they have your clothes.
He's like, that was it. He said, they have your clothes and your gun and the ballistics of the gun, obviously match the, you know, the, the bullets. He's like, but you know, obviously you weren't trying to hide that. You said you shot him. And he was like, other than that, he's like, there's nothing I'm going to say. He showed you the evidence. He's like, yeah, pretty much. He's like, they said they had a computer, but it was nothing on the computer. I'm like, no, I just bought the damn thing two weeks ago. And they took that out. They took the computer. I don't even know why they did that. And.
So everybody comes. They wanted to search the history to see if you looked up how to get away with killing someone. That was big in the Scott Peterson case or something like that. They always do because these idiots get on the computer and they start typing away. How to dissolve a body. How to use chloroform.
Well, they took it. Um, and by the time I got it back, it was very outdated. I only think I turned it back on after I got it back, but we do that. They come. And so now I got the solicitor, his number two and the police investigator of that crime scene in the house.
And I walked them through everything in the kitchen. I think that really helped because it put them in the kitchen. It put them in the actual space where all this happened. The glass that was knocked over on the counter, it wasn't like a solo cup. It was like a Manhattan rocks glass that you just pour like liquor into. And I let that guy hold. I still had it. I let him hold it. I'm like, here, hold that and put it in his hand. He could feel the weight of it. So you really got to hit that thing with some force to knock it over. You're not just going to barely tap it and it fall over.
He's seen the refrigerator. I never changed the refrigerator. I never fixed the dents. They were all still there. We covered them up with pictures, but once they come, we took all that down. Right. And so everything in a sense was still there just like it was. And I was able to walk him through it, show him like I'm here. He's here. Here's where the bullets hit. That's where the sticker was on the wall. All that shit. We never took none of it off. The stickers were there. Everything. I didn't, I just had a feeling all this stuff was going to come into play at some point.
So he sees it and he takes it in. This was like July or July or August, somewhere along in there. So they leave and we sit and we just kind of have a conversation, me and the lawyer. And he's like, I feel good about it. He's like, but you know, we'll see what happens.
July goes by, August goes by, September goes by, it's going by, it's about mid September. And he's like, you know, I figured I would have heard something by now. He was like, I might give them a call and kind of press their buttons. And he CC me on email and he's like, Hey, I know you guys have our, you know, discovery and everything. He's like, if you want to go ahead and go to trial, let me know. I'm anxious to get this behind us. You know, we can be ready as quick as you guys are. And they're like, Andy, we're still resolving stuff. We'll get back with you soon. September goes by.
October's going by almost end of October, right before Halloween. Um, I'm at work and my lawyer calls me one day. Now I'm not thinking that this is any big thing. He calls me, he doesn't call me a bunch, but he's, it's not uncommon. So he calls me this particular week. I was sick as shit. I had the flu and he's like, wait, how you doing? I'm like, ah, man, I'm feeling a little sick. He's like, well, I got some news is going to make you better. He's like, the case has been dismissed. And I'm just like,
I got to walk outside. I'm like, what now? And he's like, yeah, it's dismissed. He's like, they dismissed it. No more trial, no more nothing. He's like, it's over. You are free and clear, my friend. And dude, I fucking dropped to my knees. I was crying. I was like, just I, it was the biggest weight ever. I had had lifted off me and, you know, I called my wife, called my mom, called my dad, called all the usual suspects and, you know, told them that it was, it was finally done. And it was just such a relief, man, to get that off my chest.
and to be able to not be worried about going here. And that's like, I think I have PTSD because like still when I go places and I see cops, I'm like, like I'm doing something wrong, even though I'm not. It's just like out for so long. I live like trying to be wary of where I was at.
Where police were and you know, trying not to get involved in anything because there were situations to where like I remember one night we went out to a club and there was a fight and the police did come and like when they come in, I kind of turned around. I'm like looking at the ground. I didn't want to have no eye contact with them because I didn't know if they knew who I was or recognize me or whatever. And by that time I had started the podcast. I never talked about this, but I'd started the podcast. So I didn't know if they were watching it. So it was, it was a real nerve wracking time, but now all that was over.
And I wound up getting another job after that a big company is kind of back to making what I was making before with new core the podcast is still kind of been growing and you know it's starting to I just passed 10,000 something I'm at 12 now but I passed like 10,000 subs
And, you know, it was such a relief, man, because now I'm kind of almost back to where I was before all this shit started. But like you said earlier, and you said knowing what I know about the justice system, like I was one of those guys that thought if they arrested somebody, he must be guilty. He's guilty. Yeah, he's got to be guilty. Yeah, got to be arrested. Yeah, they wouldn't arrest you for no reason. Bullshit.
Like I remember vividly, the day after I got out, I'm watching TV and they're looking for this kid that shot his father. And it's like, and everybody's commenting on the Facebook post about it and, you know, oh, I hope they get him and what a scumbag and all that. And I'm like immediately thinking, all right, why did he shoot his father?
Right. Was his father beating him? Was he beating his mom? Was he molesting his sister? You know, I'm, I'm now stepping back and thinking, why is this going on? Why is somebody doing what they're doing? And that's what I, and admittedly I wasn't like that before. I was always thinking, well, if they rested him, he must be guilty. And so many people think like that. And it's, it's, there's not a doubt in my mind. I wasn't rich, but I did have the availability to get to that 401k that had about a hundred thousand dollars in it.
It paid for this lawyer and kind of kept me afloat. Had I been poor?
Yeah. I'd have been fucked. I'd have been doing life in prison. There's no doubt in my mind, because I've interviewed people since then. You've interviewed some of the same people like Jesper Deskovic and all that. Our justice system is flawed to hell. And there's a lot of people in jail right now that are not supposed to be there. There's some that are directly where they need to be. You'd have gotten a public defender that would have said, take a plea, take a plea, take a plea. Take a plea. You can't fight this. You don't understand what they got on you. They got everything they got is rock solid. Not thinking that, no, wait a minute.
They'll prepare documents that aren't supported by any real evidence or facts or anything.
So, yeah, and that, and that's what they do because that's how they make money. You think that's how those, you know, solicitors, DA's or whatever. That's how they move up the ladder and they make more money by putting people in prison. You hear these people say, Oh, I got a, a 98% conviction rate. No, you don't. You've got plea deals because if you take a guy who's looking at 15 years or 20 years and he don't have the money to fight it. And I said, look, if you take this plea deal, a lot of cuts your time in half. That's appealing.
And my lawyer even told me, he said, I'm very surprised they didn't offer you a plea deal because he asked me one time earlier in the process. He was like, are you willing to do any kind of a plea? And I'm like, no, absolutely not. And so when it got down to it after the end, they didn't even come and say, all right, we'll take a plea of this or a plea of that. It was just straight up dismissed. Yeah.
and it just it really I mean I enjoy doing all the shows that I do with all the people but like I really like getting out those stories about wrongful convictions because it's just something that's
It's very, very important and it's not really talked about enough because once you get in there, you're kind of erased. People forget about you. Obviously other than your family members, like you get erased. And then a lot of times there's some states that don't even have compensation if you're in there. And I was fortunate that I was not locked up that entire time. Yeah. You know, I was out, I was able to work. It was hell. It was stressful.
But I was I was lucky in that regard, but there's some people that aren't lucky. I mean Jeffrey done what 16 years? I talked to another guy named Andre Brown that did 22 years wrongfully convicted. What about that black guy? They just erased or just erased just released who'd been locked up. I want to say 45 years for murdering his wife and they just found out that he didn't do it and the judge apologizes to him.
Then I am so sorry that I mean, he's this old black man. And he's just, you know, he's just, he's 60 something years old, you're 60 or 70 something years old, you miss it, it's, it's so sad. It's like, even if you give this guy, you give this guy $20 million, that don't mean shit. He lost 45 years of his life. And here's the thing is that, and there's lots of good cops out there, but they'll be you somewhere in there is a dirty cop.
That didn't or a corrupt cop or an ineffective cop that didn't really know but he just decided to push the issue that I think so. What do you think? So yeah, where's the evidence that says that this person did it? Did you push it because this whole guy probably went to trial got a life sentence and maybe there's some cop that got on the stand and bullshit it or maybe maybe you know, who knows what the or somebody got on the stand and said, oh, I saw him running out of the thing and you don't really
You don't, you obviously didn't see him. So somebody lied or something. Somehow or another, that guy ended up with a life sentence and now he'll never get him that back. And that's how that's kind of what happened here because the detective that was over my case, you know, I'm not disparaging women. Women are very capable of being detectives or being in law enforcement. I'm sure there's some very good ones out there. This one, however, was not a good one. She sucked. She was new.
She was newly promoted from what I understand from friends that I did have in the department. It was time for a woman, you know, to check the box that you've been promoting women. So she was just promoted to detective. I was her first murder case. And we think that she just kind of rushed to judgment on this. And it was like, Oh, he obviously this is love triangle thing. He killed him to get his wife. This is, you know, anybody can see this.
Without knowing anything. Right. Well, maybe if you looked at the evidence first, you'd realize that it's not your first, this isn't your first murder case, by the way, this is your first justified, uh, you know, uh, shooting. Exactly. That's what this is. That. And that's exactly how it is. Now, let me tell you about her career path as we wrap up. So she just gets promoted to the detective. I'm her first case. She misses that bullet that gets brought up and that gets passed around the, the inside of the police station. She gets demoted from that to property crimes.
She gets something happens with that. I don't know specifically what happened with that in the property crowns, but she goes from that to resource officer at an elementary school. That is the last stop in a law enforcement career. Right. High school was bad enough and elementary school. Yeah. And that's probably still too much responsibility for this bro. And you're slamming these little kids up against the fucking locker session. Well, as a matter of fact,
There was an article and it did not name her specifically. So I'm not even going to name her specifically, but she's the resource officer at this elementary school was charged for physically abusing a patient with a handicap. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And one more story to boot. Somebody sends me a text message.
Uh, one day, but I didn't have their numbers saved and it was like, was this you? So I didn't open it up and I'm thinking it's those scams you see on Facebook where it's like, is this you in the picture or something? I just never clicked on it. So about two days later, somebody sends another message like, damn, was this really, was this really you? And I'm like, who is this? And he responded, he told me his name and I was like, Oh, I was like, I didn't catch the number. He's like, did you look at that link? I said, no, I thought it was a scam. He was like, click on it.
So I go to click and what had happened was while she was doing like school crossing traffic in the morning, somebody had ran through and hit her.
while she was directing traffic. And he was asking, was it me? And I was like, it was not me. I was nowhere around there. And I've seen that woman since then. I was in Buffalo Wild Wings with my son watching the national championship game. And when this lady walked in, she had gained a little weight since then. So I recognized her a little bit, but wasn't sure. And the husband kept kind of looking at me a little bit. And I'm like, where do I know these people from? Where they sit down. Did you do one of these? No, I did not. I did not do that.
They sit down and all these kids come in with this South Carolina law thing on and I text my wife, I'm like, what does this mean? And she's like, that's our law enforcement class. And I'm like, that's that bitch that locked me up. And I looked down and I kept staring down at her the whole time. And every part of me wanted to get up and go down. I'm like, look, if you people want to be in law enforcement,
But God sakes, we need good people because this incompetent MF'er is not who you need to be learning from. I can promise you that. Go learn from anybody else. But I didn't. I kept my mouth shut. But I mean, I think it's, it's karma, man. She's teaching the class. I don't, I don't know if she was just taking them out for, I don't know what her role in it was. You know, the big, you know, the term, you know, those who can't do teach. Oh yeah. Well she can't do, I don't think she can teach anyway. Yeah. And I mean, she's rough, she's roughing up damn, you know, handy, handicapped kids and everything else. Really some karma.
Yeah, 100%. And she had a conversation with my mom one time and she's like, you know, just so you know, there's no hard feelings. I'm just doing my job.
No, you're not doing your job. I wouldn't be here. Yeah, I was gonna say I'm just doing my job. You mean arresting innocent people that were in the safety of my own home attacked in my own home with a licensed registered firearm that I'm allowed to carry when I was attacked in my own home that I defended myself and you're saying and you believe I should go to prison for life.
And that, and that was it, that gun, they pulled the records on that gun. I had been pulled over by the cops before with that gun. And when I tell them, Hey, I got a gun on me, they'll run it. And it was a report where they ran the gun, which proved that that was the gun that I would carry on me. That was my carry gun, because they'll say that he's like, you care if we run it. And I'm like, no, go ahead. This was obviously before everything, but now like it just puts such a bad taste in my mouth with law enforcement. Like my granddaddy was a cop.
And everybody loved him from what I understand. He was old school. If you were drinking, he would follow you home to you in your driveway and then said, if you come back out, then he would arrest you. He was a good cop. My brother-in-law is a cop. He's a great guy. But by and large, I do not trust law enforcement.
Any at all in any any aspect and I try to tell my son like if you get into any kind of situation where cops asking you something don't say fuck all don't say nothing you tell them you're calling your dad and you don't say shit till I get there because
That's just, it's just the corruption element is just unbelievable. And then once you get in there, once you find out just how corrupt and messed up that whole system is by then it's too late and you're already involved and people don't really understand and they can't put their self in somebody's shoes until it happens to them. Yeah. I was gonna say the last thing they want to do, even when it's so obvious and clear that they made a mistake is admit they made a mistake, which was what was so shocking about that judge.
saying because they're usually their judges have usually very pro a law enforcement. So the fact that the judge apologized and was like I am so sorry this happened to you. I mean the fact that she would even acknowledge anything like that. You know what's so funny is like the district attorneys never come forward and say look this is a major even if it's not them even this was hey this was 40 years ago. This was a guy that's retired and dead. I can go ahead and say they fucked up they still won't do it.
And then, and the only bad thing now is like all those articles are still out there. So you can't do anything about them. One newspaper that ran an article on me when I got arrested, reached out after the fact. And I started not to even do it, but the lady, she was like, we're going to cover the story regardless, whether you interview with us or not. And so I told my wife, I'm like, if they're going to do it regardless, they can spend it however the hell they want. At least if I actually talked to them, maybe they'll get somewhat of, you know, my, my point of view from the story.
And so we did it and they ran it, but that's the thing is like, nobody's going to come up and do her attraction for all this shit. Everything out there was, they were calling me the Cane Bay killer. The what? The Cane Bay killer or the Cane Bay murder. I mean, I had a nickname in there for what? I didn't get trick or treaters for five years. Nobody come to my house for trickery. It was like everybody's house. We ain't going to one 37. You can go to the next house. And you said that, and the Facebook posts are still up.
Oh yeah, some of the Facebook posts are still up. I can go back and search them anytime, like there's fireworks or God forbid, gunshots or anything like that. The cops come straight to your house. They always say, gunshots, probably in old rice. That's where I live. Probably back in old rice. They got all kinds of gunshots going on over there. So I'm still brought up to this day. And I think it was like a year ago, I was on Facebook.
And one of the ladies said something about, Oh, don't forget about the murder that happened, you know, a couple of years ago. And I commented, this was after everything was dropped. So I commented, I was like, I said, lady, could you try to be a little bit more informed? I said, there was no damn murder. I said, there was a self-defense shooting coach, quit spreading that bullshit. And she comes, she's like, so what makes you an episode expert on the subject matter? I said, I'm the damn one you're talking about. And then all of a sudden it got deleted.
And so I sent her a nice little private message saying, Hey, you know, mind your own fucking business. But like, I had like a hit list of people that said shit that I couldn't say nothing to then. They're like, when I hit list and verbal them put that way, um, that I wanted to just set some people straight because it was a lot of people that I didn't even know that all was saying, Oh, I heard this and I heard that you didn't hear anything. Nobody talked to you. Nobody. You don't know anything. I didn't even talk to you. You're saying it.
Yeah, you're making that up because that's more interesting than what happened. A guy defending himself because he got attacked in his own home isn't going to get as many clicks or views. And I understand that now being that, you know, in the podcast game, I understand this kind of stuff sells. I would, you know, that's going to get clicks. But in actuality, what really happened is it was self-defense. You wanted a juicy story of a love triangle or, you know, something like that going wrong and, you know, but that wasn't, that wasn't the case.
Did you ever hear from anyone related to, what was his name? Liam. Liam. No. Um, I do know all his people were from the Pennsylvania and Michigan area. So when we went for the preliminary hearing, his parents were there and they were in the crowd or in the, you know, I don't know, audience might be the wrong word, whatever you call it, just be in the, in the background there.
I never spoke to them. I never heard from them. As far as I know, they never reached out to my wife, at least not that she knew. When I got out of jail, they had to notify them that I was getting out. I think that's a protocol. If there's a crime committed against someone, anybody related to them, they have to know that they are getting out of prison.
Um, and obviously there was, uh, you know, things in there of like, you know, you can't contact them or I had no reason to contact them. I've got nothing against them. I didn't know, you know, none of them and I don't have anything against them. Like, you know, make no mistake. I didn't.
murder someone. I didn't, I don't even look at it as I killed someone. I survived someone trying to kill me. Right. That's what I did. I survived a situation because when we locked up and he looked me dead in my eyes and said he was going to kill me, there was no doubt in my mind. This dude was not fucking around. I could see it in his eyes and I knew one of us were not leaving that kitchen and I was just doing everything in my power to make sure that I was the one that left. But I never heard anything from his family. I never spoke to him.
I'm sure I'm not their favorite person. I understand that. And, you know, I'm sorry for, for their loss, but I mean, like at the end of the day, if he hadn't done what he did, he'd still be alive. Do you think like, uh, do you have any sort of PTSD from that actual night or like, does it ever cross your mind? No, it crosses my mind a lot. Um, but it was like, the weird thing was when everything happened,
It was like such a succession. It was like the shooting, you know, then the meeting with the lawyer. Then I was arrested. Then I went to jail. Then I got out. Then I got fired. Then I had to look for another job. I never really had the time to sit down and dwell on just the shooting, you know, because everything was kind of such a rush from then on to try to get an employment and all that. I never really had time to sit and think. Now, as times went on,
I reflect back to that night. The first time that I was ever in that house by myself was a little creepy. My wife and kids went to visit her mom. Like I said, I got a two-story house and it's like every creek. You're just looking around. It was a little unsettling but as times went on,
I've made peace with it. I do have PTSD, I would say, from the whole ordeal as far as how quick life can change. Before this happened, man, I'd went a few places, Tennessee, Virginia. I never went to California. I never went to Vegas. I'd been minimal plane rides, period.
but that's one reason now like I just I'm not a firm believer of like if there's something you want to do a concert you want to go see whatever trip you want to take go take it because in a you know in a matter of minutes your life can be flipped upside down and you know luckily everything come out on my side the right way but it could have very easily went the other way too and you know you and I aren't having this conversation. Hey I appreciate you guys watching the video do me a favor if you feel like it hit the subscribe button please share the video also please go to
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"text": " But we were going to be able to use that to get a quick divorce, right? Because you can get a three divorce in 90 days. If you can prove either drug abuse, adultery, or physical, physical abuse, like you're being physical abused. So obviously with the adultery, I've got her on that because she's living with the guy. So it's going to allow us to speed run this whole process. And we agree to everything. I was going to give her, you know, X amount of dollars out of my 401k at that time. It was pretty substantial."
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"text": " Um, and so I was going to give her some of that. We were going to work out something. If I ever did sell the house, she got a piece of that, but we all agreed on what was going to be what, and we're going to do our own thing. So we didn't really talk at all really, unless we had to for the courts, um, around Christmas time. First Christmas we're split up trying to figure out what we're going to do with the kids. We actually had a,"
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"text": " And said, he was like, Hey, you know, what's going on guys? And he said, Oh, we're looking for chip. Cause when I find him, I'm a fucking killer and they call me chip. Some people call me chip. Right. And so that's what he called me. And he's like, Oh, you know, what's going on? He's trying to figure out what's going on. What happened? Cause he doesn't know anything. He knows that we're reconciling, but he didn't know that he got the news or why this is the day. Yeah. He doesn't know that's the day. So what he did was agree for him to go back to their house for Felicia to get out."
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"text": " and then him to come back there so he could try to defuse the situation. So that's why when he told me, if you ride by here and you see his car here, don't stop. Cause I don't need you to go in at it in my neck, in my house, basically. And so I'm like, all right, look, I know why he's mad. Like I got a pretty good idea why he's mad, but I'm not going to stop. So I go back to my house at that point that we're talking, it's probably 12 o'clock at night."
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"text": " My daughter's got off work. She worked at one of the restaurants in the neighborhood. When she got home, my wife used her phone and called me and she kind of got me up to speed on what had happened. So she's like, he's with Jamie. Everything's good. He's going to stay over there. And so I'm like, all right, just figured that was it. One o'clock one ish somewhere along there. I get a text message. It's him. And he's like, are you home? And I said, yes, sir."
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"text": " And he said, man, you need to talk. And I'm like, what about, right? And he's like, you know, what about he's like, I'm not trying to be an asshole. He's like, I'm not trying to start anything."
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"text": " He said, I just want some answers. He said, I feel like I'm being lied to. You're telling people you're going to kill me. Yeah. I didn't know that at that time broke my wife's phone. Yeah. I didn't know all that at the time. Okay. So I didn't know that. I didn't know about the broke phone. The wife didn't tell me that. I didn't know about him saying that he was going to kill me. I found that out when that guy gave his report to the police. When I got it back later after everything happened. See, I didn't, I didn't know all that beforehand."
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"text": " And so he tells me, he's like, I've got some questions. He's like, I feel like you'll be honest with me. He's like, and if you're not comfortable at your house, we can meet at your buddy's house. And I didn't even want to tell him. I thought that's where you were, but I was like, all right, we can do that. So in the middle of what, what did that, what had happened? I guess he said that he was going to go back to his VA housing. Right. And this was a text. This was a text. This was a text communication. So the cops had all that when they arrested me later."
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"text": " He told him that he was going to go back to his VA housing and go to bed. That was going to be the end of it. He didn't. He goes back to my wife's house. They start arguing. She calls Jamie and is like, Hey, I thought you were going to keep him over here. He's over here showing his ass, you know, what's going on. So then he gets in his car and he goes over there. And the only way that that guy agreed to leave was if he could get me to his house so he could talk and me and him could have a conversation. So that's why he texted me to get me over there."
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"text": " So now we all meet at his house. Um, I'm probably like five houses away, but it's, it's April. It's slightly chilly. So I get in my car and I drive down there and I'll pull up there. There I go in. And essentially what he's wanting to know is, you know, was he being lied to about the timeframe when we got back together? Was he being, you know what? And I'm like, look, start with this. It's really none of your business. Like it's none of your fucking, that's still my wife at the end of the day. I don't owe you an explanation."
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"text": " And I know this sounds kind of weird. It turned out being two dudes or three dudes just hanging out in a garage. Like they started talking about both of them were prior military. I didn't have anything to offer in that situation. All of us had kids. We started talking about our kids and it was just, it was really weird. I mean, it was odd, odd situation, but that's what it come to. Cause he knew that I wasn't going to try to take it where I think he wanted it to go."
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"text": " And so we hang out a little bit now in there. I think he had one, one or two beers from that guy's house. At this point I had had nothing, um, or at least from way earlier in the morning. Cause I didn't know what we were, what we were going down there to do. So I wasn't drinking anything and he didn't seem to me like he was like hammered beyond belief. He was coherent, wasn't slurring his words or nothing like that. It's like three o'clock."
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"text": " And so the guy who lived there, he's like, look, I'm shutting it down. He's like, I'm tired. He's like, are you going to stay here? And he's like, nah, I'm going to just go home. So now keep in mind when they come back to his house, Jamie brought him. He has no car. Right. And so he would, that's why I asked him, was he going to stay the night? And he's like, no, I'm going to just have Chip run me home."
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"text": " And so when he said that, he looked at me and he's like, are you okay with that? And I'm like, yeah, I'm cool with that. At that point, everything had kind of subsided. It wasn't, there wasn't any tense feelings or anything like that. So I was, I was fine with it. We leave, we get in the car and he looks at me and he's like, you know, if I go home, he's like, we're just going to start arguing again. I'm like, look, I've been with her for 10 years. I know how it is. You ain't got to tell me, you know, we're, we're almost laughing about this situation. What about just dropping them off at the VA? Well,"
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"text": " That really wasn't an option. Well, at least not one that he presented to me. Right. Where I was going to say, were you too drunk to even make it that far? No, at that time I still hadn't drank anything. He had, but I hadn't drank anything. Did you say that? No, I said that he was drinking. Okay. I thought you had been drinking too. No, not at that point. I had earlier in the night, but probably not since 10, 30, 11 o'clock. That's now three in the morning. So anything that I had would have been gone."
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"text": " But he didn't say that in it. He didn't use that as an offer because his car was at my wife's house. So that was going to be how he would get back over there anyway. Right. So he looks at me, he's like, do you care if we just go back to your house and hang out for a little bit? And like for a split second, I was kind of hesitant to do it. But then I was like, look, we've been hanging out for this point in time. The dudes, you know, seems pretty chill. And I was like, I might just do like a hangout side type of thing or, or in my garage with the garage up."
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"text": " So we go and we, it's not very far. I mean, 30 seconds were from their house to my house. And we pull up in the driveway and he start, we just kind of start chatting. And he was like, do you know why I wear this bracelet? And he holds up his wrist and I'm like, bro, I don't know anything about you. I don't know your story or nothing. And he proceeds to tell me this very long detailed story about a buddy that he was in the army with that got shot in the head and he was trying to hold his head back together. And the army said,"
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"text": " he didn't follow proper protocol or procedure. And so that's why he got kicked out of the army. His buddy died. And so that's why he had PTSD, why he had spent time in a psych ward, why he was on all these medications. He was kind of laying out to me why he was the way he was and why it was a problem with him and my wife, basically. And so I mean, and in the middle of the story, when he starts talking like he's crying,"
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"text": " He started like, I see tears coming down his face. He's not kidding. He's at that point to me, he looks like a broken man. And so my guard at that point in time was completely down. Now what we found out later was the story was, it wasn't complete bullshit, but it wasn't accurate. He wasn't in combat himself. He was intelligence. So he's somewhere, you know, on the radio, okay, go here, turn right, go left. He gave him Intel. He's in a single wide trailer. Yeah."
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"text": " Okay. So I'm sure it affected him. I would like to think it did anyway, if he was, you know, had normal thoughts, I'm sure it affected him and bothered him. And it looked like it bothered him. Like I said, he was crying. So at that point, like I said, my reservations were down, my guard was down and I'm just like,"
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"text": " You know, dude, I'm sorry. I don't, I don't even know what to say at that point. So we do go on in the house. We go into the main house. We go in at that point. We do have a drink there. Uh, my favorite, uh, liquor to drink is red stag. It's a bland brand of a Jim beam. It's like a black cherry, uh, flavor. And that's what I had. So we done, I think a shot or two, a piece of that. And we're in there just hanging out. I mean, we're talking again, he's talking about his kids and his ex wife or ex baby mama."
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"text": " I'm talking about my kids and he, at one point he tells me he's like, man, under different circumstances, you and I probably would have been pretty good friends. And I'm like, you know what? You're probably right. Cause I mean, honestly, he did seem like a cool guy. And at some point in time we got to talking about my kid, one of his friends' moms. And he was like, I heard her talking trash about people with tattoos."
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"text": " And he was like, has she ever said anything to you? And I'm like, Jane never said that to me. I was like, I'm covered in them. So I kind of show my arms and I pulled out my shirt a little bit to see this tattoo and he sees this scar right here. I don't know if you can see that. So he sees that and he's like, damn, what happened here? And I'm like, Oh, I had open heart surgery in 2001. So he grabs my shirt and lifts it up from the bottom and pulls it up. So you can see the entire scar."
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"text": " Now, when he does this, there's no way that he don't see the piece that I have on my hip. Now, I know everybody's in the comments and in other videos that I've done, why would you be carrying in your kitchen? That's ridiculous. You just had it on you the whole night, right? When you're in like, I don't want to say my neighborhood, I don't live in the hood, but when you're from the South, when you walk out and cell phone keys,"
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"text": " wallet gun. I mean, you just have it. So you, you always have it as a, you know, a force of habit. Now, the reason why it never got taken off once I got back home is I got a two story house. All my bedrooms are upstairs. I never went upstairs. We were confined downstairs. So I had it on me. When I left, we leave, we come back in the living room. We really never left the living room kitchen area. So I never got to a place to where I take it off, which would have been upstairs by my nightstand."
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"text": " So when he pulls my shirt up, there's no way he don't see it, but he doesn't even acknowledge it. He doesn't look at it. At least that I've seen, um, he doesn't say anything about it. And I show him the scar. I tell him the story about it or whatever. And he grabs me like in one of those bear hug grabs, you know, a lot of times drunk, you know, guys had to with their drinks or grab you, pick you up, put you back down type shit. And I thought it was weird, but he was, you know, it was right after he said that we could have been good friends. Then he picks me up and then kind of immediately puts me right back down."
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"text": " And he's like, where's your bathroom at? So I point him to the bathroom at this point. Now it's closing in on six o'clock in the morning. I haven't checked in with my wife and fucking hours. So real quick, he's in the bathroom. I bring out my phone and like, I text my, um, my daughter's phone cause hers was broke. I text her. I was like, Hey, I was like, we're good. We're at my house. Everything's fine. Put it back in my pocket. So I'm sitting the way my kitchen is. You have the hallway from the bathroom and then you walk into the kitchen."
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"text": " Immediately to the right is the refrigerator, slight counter space, then it comes back, stove, and then curves back the other way with a sink. So I'm with my back to the stove, just kind of, you know, just sitting there chilling, wait for him to come out. Cause all of our shot glasses and everything are sitting around the area, all that stuff where we had been, you know, doing shots. And he comes out and he cuts the corner, kind of cuts it to the right. He walked straight up to me. And I mean, just doesn't say a word. Boom."
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"text": " hand up under the throat like that, not so much as in a choking, but like force controlling me. Right. And so he pushes me up so hard that my damn feet come off the floor and I go onto the stove and it's like a flat top stove. And I'm just like, it's happening so fast. I'm like, Holy shit. I don't know if he was kidding. I don't know if it was something he was doing. And then I'm like, what I told him, I'm like, I'm the, what the fuck. And he looks me dead in my eyes. He said, I'm going to fucking kill you."
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"text": " And at that point I'm just like, shit. And so I'm trying to get his hand off. I can't get his hand off. Now, a key thing that is the situation here is I'm out of work because I had a procedure on back on my back from the wreck. I told you about, I had these injections put into my back that like, they basically burned the nerve endings from the spine."
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"text": " and it keeps it where you don't, you're not an agonizing pain for about six to eight months. Eventually the nerves reattach and then you have to get it again. Right. So it's a reappearing reoccurring thing. This is the first time I'd ever had it done. I was sore. I was sore as shit. So I didn't really have a lot of mobility anyway. So as I'm trying to fight him to get loose, I managed to scoot like off the stove and get back on my feet."
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"text": " And I told him at that point in time, I was like, dude, if you don't get the fuck off me, I'm going to shoot you. And so he comes back. He's holding me with this hand. He's coming with his right. And I could see it coming. So I try to lift up just a little bit. And he like clips the bottom of my chin. He doesn't get it side of the face. It kind of clips the chin. And when he does that, he lets go because all of his momentum took him this way. So he lets go with that other hand. When he let go, he was already coming back. And I stepped back into the corner at that point. I'm kind of in the corner. I drew out and I shot."
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"text": " And she's got me down there and she's like, you know, is he breathing? And I'm like, he seems like he's breathing. He's not making any noises, but it's like, it's, it's what's referred to from that. I've kind of heard from people. It's called the death rattle. It's like a moan, but there was never any verbal communication after the shots. So he's directly on the floor. He's laying there. I'm hearing the moan. I'm trying to follow what the dispatcher is telling me. She's telling me that the ambulance is on the way. She tells me to go get a towel."
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"text": " So I go grab a towel. I yank the towel so hard from like the bathroom floor. It's like a little hand towel, kind of like you got in your bathroom there. I grabbed that. I come back. I yanked it so hard that the whole bracket come off the wall. It was laying in the floor. Right."
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"text": " I go back I pull his shirt up and like I'm looking I can't even find a wound because like it's not like you see in the movies and you know blood goes flying everywhere it wasn't like that and I'm literally having to search around and I finally see like a little small hole here a little small hole here but I mean like it's very small these were like full metal jacket rounds they weren't hollow points or nothing like that so they weren't designed to do like"
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"text": " major damage. I mean, they're still going to hurt. I mean, you know, but it's not like something that's going to leave a big hole out the back. It was more target rounds really."
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"text": " And so I find the wounds, I put a towel on them, I'm holding it. I'm doing what they tell me to do, but like I'm kind of limited because I don't really know what else to do. There's nothing else you can do. And I'm waiting there to eventually 911 gets there and she's like, where's the gun? I was like, it's sitting on the counter. She's like, have it unloaded with the magazine out, you know, have the door unlocked that way our officer can come on in. And so they finally get there and I tell them, I'm like, come on in. I'm yelling for them to come in."
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"text": " And he comes in first and he's like, we're not placing you up under arrest, but he's like, we're all going to put you in handcuffs till we can figure out what's going on. So he puts me in handcuffs and then another officer comes up about the same time. We're outside. They put me in the back of her car and then I don't see them for about, I don't know, 10 minutes."
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"text": " from reviewing body cam footage from after all this, they basically go in and sweep the house and see if there's that. They go to every room. They open every closet door, everything. And once they realize that we're the only two people in the house, the ambulance gets there probably about 10 minutes after the cops do. They go in, they bring him out. They, what man? I think I timed it. They sat there with him in the back of that ambulance for"
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"text": " Almost 15 minutes before they ever pulled off. I don't know what they were doing. It just seemed to me, it seemed like a long time in there. But now I didn't know if he was still alive or whatever. I knew he had functions going on, but I didn't know if he was alive. I didn't know if he was going to make it or whatever. So I'm, I'm literally concerned of what's going on in there."
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"text": " And at this point, nobody knows, but now it's daylight by the time all this has transpired and the cops have got there and the ambulance has got there. It's like seven o'clock in the morning. People are starting to get up. It's Sunday morning. People are starting to go to church. People are riding by or seeing me sitting in the back of a cop car in front of my house and they never took my phone from me. So I have my phone. I was able to get my phone and I was able to text my wife. I was like,"
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"text": " I shot Liam come a, I was like, come ASAP. But I said, I shot Liam come now. So I see her pull up and she's talking to the cops. I can't figure out exactly what they're saying because I'm in a car, but a female officer comes up and she's like, we're placing you under arrest. And I mean, I kind of halfway expected it until they figured out everything. Like I, I kind of expected to be arrested, but then once they started figuring out everything, I figured it would be done. Right."
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"text": " So she reads me, right? She's like, are you going to, you know, you want to answer any questions? I'm like, no, not without a lawyer. And she's like, okay. So they leave me in the car and then I'm there for probably another hour. Dude, it's cops up and down the damn block. And this neighborhood is not used to seeing this. I mean, all these cops, they know something's going on. They don't know what and everybody, like people are riding my own golf carts. They're just parked in yards watching. I mean, it's, it's turned this neighborhood upside down."
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"text": " And I got, I got to use the bathroom. I met, I got to pee. I'm like, you know, I don't know what I'm going to do. Finally, I seen a cop like walking by and I kind of, you know, motion for him to come out. I was like, look, man, I got to use the bathroom. And he's like, now you're going to hold it. And I'm like, no, that's, that's not what's about to happen. Like I'm going to go, I'm either going to go in this car or you can let me in that house. So eventually he lets me out of the car and we go in the house and the guy's like, is there somewhere you can use the bathroom? I'm like, I live here. I can, any bathroom you want."
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"text": " And so he lets me use the bathroom and they collect all of my clothes, everything, take my shirt, my pants, my boots, basically everything, but my underwear and socks. And they said, is there somewhere you can change? I was like, again, this is my house. My clothes are upstairs. So I go upstairs, I change, I come outside. And at that point, one of the detectives approaches me and he's like, is there somewhere you can go while we can finish our investigation?"
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"text": " So I'm like, I went from being under arrest to now he's saying, is there somewhere you can go and chill while we're doing our investigation? And you don't have cuffs on anymore? No, I'm uncuffed. And so I'm thinking now, all right, kind of what I thought they were just going to arrest me off general principle, figure it out. Everything's good. They're already starting to, my wife talked to them. They're starting to piece what happened. I'm free to go now. So I go around the corner. I talked to her, talked to my wife, kind of gave her the breakdown."
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"text": " So we do that. It sets the 50 up and they kind of give me some pointers about when I go in as like, look, we know when you get arrested, don't talk on the phone to anybody. I mean, you know, not that I had anything to hide, but just all the conversations were recorded. The least little thing they could try to use against you. She's like, be prepared. The food's going to be awful. Try to go in with a full stomach. Don't talk to anybody in there. Keep to yourself. They're very much trying to coach me up."
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"text": " Well, we leave there. We go back home. They do get it pushed till Sunday. Uh, I had to turn myself in at one o'clock on Sunday. So Saturday night, like all the family comes down, my people, her people, everybody. And I don't, I say the term party. We had a party. It wasn't a party, but it was definitely like a gathering. Yeah. Because I don't know if I'm getting out. This is, this is, I'm being charged with murder and you don't always get bond for murder. And I can't even be seen by the magistrate because the magistrate can't give you bond for murder."
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"text": " You have to be seen by the circuit court. Now, the circuit court in our area rotates county to county to county to county each week. Luckily, they were in Berkeley County the week I was going in. And so, and the lawyer even told me, he says, sometimes I let people sit in jail for a few months to let the heat die off the case. Then I swing in and try to get them bond. And I'm like,"
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"text": " We got to do that now. Like I'm not really, I don't have a free couple of weeks, you know, to do that or a couple of months to do that. And he's like, no, in your case, he's like, we're it's coming up. He's like, I think we've got a strong enough case. We can get you out. And you're in a state, you're, you're not some scumbag who's been in and out of jail his whole life. You're I'm an established guy. I've got a house. I own vehicles. I've been working with the same company. I have a career. Yeah. 15 years, kids in school. You have two kids. Yeah. Two kids, daughter, son, all, all the normal stuff that I think helped."
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"text": " And so we start, he's like, I need you to gather character letters as many as you can between now and Sunday. I think in those few days from Wednesday to Sunday, we got like 60 character letters. And that's with me turning down probably like 20 felons. I was like, I don't know if it looks good if you write the letters. Cause I had everybody. I appreciate you writing the letter. I understand you're a strong, a strong writer, but I had a lot of people, I had people wanting to come to the court. And he's like, Oh, I'll come and I'll support you. I'm just like,"
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"text": " And so we had the party that Sunday. It was, it was like that scene from good fellows. And until then, I always thought that that's not how it worked. I thought if you went to jail, they just come and arrested your ass. But if you do, if you do have an attorney, you can basically facilitate your surrender. And so we get in the car and my mom was driving, my mom, my stepdad, and I was with my wife and I was like, all right, like take me to jail. And so they take me to jail. They dropped me off and like, I go up there and I was, I didn't know what to expect."
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"text": " I got these shoes. I lift up the sole of the shoes and I stick a Xanax and an Ambien in the stowage in the solar shoe and lay it back flat. Bad idea. Well, they didn't find it. Okay. They did not find it. They didn't take the shoe apart. Still don't do that. Yeah. Don't do that. I was going to say my brother's shoes. They find this. They find it. Now you got a whole nother charge. Yeah. Yeah. I'm thinking like where, where do you like, where do you pick where I wouldn't think to do that. Take them before you walk in. Like where, where do you get like, I guess,"
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"text": " You know, some felons from work or whatever. Cause the first question that I have is like me as a norm, like I say me as a normal person, not that you aren't normal, but I'm like, me is like, if the cops would have asked me to answer questions, I would have been like, okay, I want to think I'm not talking without a lawyer. And yeah, I'm just curious. Like, I mean, really it's just in like every movie you've ever watched. Right. And even though in my mind, I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't do anything, you know, other than protect myself in my own home."
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"text": " clear cut self defense. I've watched movies where it's said, you know, look, don't talk to the cops. It was one specific movie. I forgot who was in it, but the guy was like, he said, cops don't ask questions. He said, they plant landmines for you to blow yourself up and then they hammer you. So like those kinds of things just played in my head. Listen, even just knowing the justice system, the way I know it, the fact that he texted his wife saying, I shot Liam come quickly. I would, uh, a,"
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"text": " A prosecutor would have a field day with that. Well, a lot of things you could have said Liam attacks me and I shot him comes. Why didn't you say that? Why didn't you do it? Did your wife know like they'll take that and twist it into a conspiracy where not only do they get you they'll also be able to indict your wife somehow they'll twist it and you'll be like that. I was it's all like attack. Yeah, I'm trying to let her know. Yeah, like are you serious like and they'll twist it. They'll twist it. You don't remind me."
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"text": " So before you get back into it, what is the gathering like? Like what are the conversations? What are the emotions? A lot of you're going to be okay. Well, there wasn't, there might've been some of that. And I, I hated that throughout the whole process, but like it was real, like uncomfortable, I guess, like we cook steaks and everybody's like,"
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"text": " So what are you doing? I mean, it was like, nobody really knew what to say. So I can see everybody being like, Hey bro, don't you worry. It's going to be okay. And me being there and you glancing at me being like, well, see, that was the thing expect for it to go as bad as possible. My friends were there. It was all my family. My friends would have been there. Probably it would have been lightened up a little bit, but it was all my family. I like my family's like, you know, my dad's pretty laid back, but everybody else was like,"
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"text": " This is going to like very like strict rule following people So to them this was just like a whole big thing and they're all just kind of they're they're acting scared Which is making me scared. So the whole thing was this it was really tense I was trying my best to kind of stay, you know positive spirits or whatever and I know where I'm going I know that the prison or whatever the jail and I googled it that night and I'm like he'll think Lee detention center the first thing that pops up in make murder and he'll think the detention I'm like Jesus Christ"
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"text": " And so it just, I did not go in in a good place. I'll put it like that mentally. So when they dropped me off, there's like this gazebo type thing up there right outside the prison, which is nice. You know, the scenery that nobody can touch. And so we go up to that and you know, I'm hugging everybody and you know, kissing everybody by and all that. And then there's a cop right outside the door and I go up and she,"
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"text": " Cuss me. We immediately go in. We do the normal stuff. We do the fingerprint and the mug shot and worst fucking mug shot in history. Colby, thanks for putting that in a few of your thumbnails too, by the way. Like you, which I don't, I don't want to go in there looking sharp. You know, I don't want to go in there with a hedge up or nothing. I don't want to go in there looking attractive by any means. So I went in there looking like shit. I see the opening scene from the blacklist where Reddington walks in, tells him my name."
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"text": " And they, they take, they turn the shoes over and they bam, like beat the shit out of it on the concrete and never take the soul up. Right. They just beat it down. And I'm going to say, Oh, at that point I'm thinking, Oh shit, they find that. What am I going to say? But they never found it. So they've given back on. So now I'm trying to figure out a walk with no shoelaces in the damn thing. And there's this guy that it was arrested. I'm assuming he was in there for a DUI cause he's like hammered and he's sitting on the bench. I'm sitting on the bench and like, the only thing I remember is like, don't talk to nobody."
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"text": " You know, most people are sleeping, not paying, you know, any attention. I'm in it to give you this like half mat sleeping bag looking thing. It looks dirty as shit. Go in there. It's cold. It's bright as hell. Like there's, you know, just one little jug of water up front. I'm going up there. I'm not talking to anybody. Just I go sit, you know, in the corner, the biker comes up beside me and just talking. I'm just saying, huh? Yeah."
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"text": " Uh-huh. We're in there about, I don't know, an hour. They call me, him, and this other kid to go in front of the magistrate. Well, I already know that I can't get bond from the magistrate. It's just a formality that you got to go. Yeah. Well, my last name is Williamson. So I'm W automatically at the end unless somebody else is a W. They do the kid first. He's like, oh, you got simple possession, you know, whatever you get a PR bond. They do the guy as a second DUI, you know, this is your bond, yada, yada, yada."
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"text": " They do mine. Now we're all handcuffed, wrist to wrist, wrist to ankle, you know, doing the little shimmy. And they go, Mr. Williamson, you're arrested for a murder and possession of a weapon during a violent crime. You can't be seen by magistrate. You'll be seen by the circuit court. And that dude sitting beside me on that bench and he's like, flips his head around. So when we go back into the holding, he immediately goes right to where we were sitting, grabs the shit and goes to the other side."
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"text": " So I'm walking. This is like the most intimidating walk you can imagine. It's like I'm going into something out of Game of Thrones. It's like old school stone walls. It's cold. There's inmates in front of me. There's inmates behind me. They're walking me. They get me in this room and they put me in this room. And there's probably like 10 other guys in there. Now these guys are in jumpsuits. I'm still in my street clothes. And so I go in, I sit down and I guess it's just a thing where everybody's kind of got to wait their turn to be seen by the judge."
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"text": " And these people are talking, this one guy's talking about, he's got to go do a trial, be testifying or trial in Atlanta. And he's not going to really testify to help out the police. He's just going because they got better food in Atlanta and to see if he can escape on the way. Sure, bro. Yeah, sure. To see if he can escape somewhere. This one guy just said his sister on fire. He's got to go see the judge to see what he's going to get. He's hoping he don't get the max. I mean, these people are just all having these conversations and I'm just sitting over there in a corner like,"
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"text": " Holy God. I mean, cause I've been around some, my people are wild, but they're not criminals. So I never drink and they're raised, they'll maybe a bar fight or two, but they're not doing this kind of shit. And I'm just, I'm not saying nothing. And one guy is like, he's like, you're the guy from came Bay. And I kind of like quickly turned my head and he's like, we get the news in here on me. He's like, I seen you yesterday. He's like, you got a lawyer. I said, yeah. He's like, good. That's what's up. Doesn't say nothing else. So we find they get me."
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"text": " They call me the lady comes gets me out and they walk me into this courtroom bonus courtroom is massive I mean huge judge like way up there on the on the top I go in I see you know some of my people scattered out in the crowd and they take me to stay with me next my lawyer and so that's like the bond hearing and you know the."
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"text": " The state's trying to say why I'm this minister society. I'm this whole person. I don't need to be let out. My lawyer said the same thing you did earlier. Look, he's got kids. He's worked at the same place for umpteen amount of time, respectable member of the community, never been in trouble. He needs to be out. And so they're going back and forth. I feel pretty good about it. And the judge, anything I've ever seen on TV, they've always been like either bond granted or bond denied. So she looks and she's like, okay, I'll make my decision and let you know. Bam."
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"text": " And I look at my lawyer, I'm like, what the hell does that mean? And he's like, I guess that means she'll let us know. And so I'm already getting carted off, you know, for the next guy to come in there and we get to the back where they got to change like from, you know, the side to the front and all that. And I asked the guy, I was like, I said, so what does that mean that she'll let us know? And he's like, ah, you'll probably have an answer in about a week or so. I'm like a week or so you gotta be shitting me."
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"text": " So like I'm panicking at that point. I don't even know that I'm going to get it. I'm thinking it wasn't clear enough that she did it then, right? You know, maybe she's there's something that I don't know. So I get back to the holding finally all the way back to the holding area. I think about an hour goes by. I get my wife on the phone and she already knows she's like, Hey, you got bond. I'm like, and she's like, but you might not get out to tomorrow."
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"text": " And, but it's in the holding. So it's not really terrible. The only bad part about it is they constantly bring people in just getting arrested. And there was probably like nine guys that come in all altogether, uh, some Mexican gentlemen, I guess they arrested them all in the same car. And I mean, just, I don't know what the hell they were saying, but they would not shut up, couldn't get any sleep. And then like 10 30, there's two guys getting out periodically. Like they're, they're getting bonds like 10 30 somebody comes in and they call Williams."
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"text": " I sprung off the top bunk, like 10 feet landing in front of the guard. I'm like, that's me. Am I getting out? And he's like, now we're transferring here to CPOD. And I'm just like, Oh, I was like, you know, I'm supposed to be getting out of here tomorrow, bro. You sure you want to be doing all that? Like it's a lot of paperwork and you know, you don't have to do it. He's like, he looks at me and he's like, you're Leah's dad, right? That's my daughter. And I'm like,"
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"text": " Yeah. And he's like, my wife's her gymnastics teacher. And I'm like, Oh, nice to meet you. Do I really got to be going to this thing? I'm like, I'm getting out in the morning. The bonds already done. I'm good. He's like, it just goes in order. When you come in, he's like, it's nothing against you personally. He was like, it's just a order. When you come in, you get cycled in. He's like, you'll be, you'll be fine. Charlie pods. Great. And I'm just like, I don't really know if that's accurate. I don't, I don't think you can put that together. No, nothing in here is fucking great. Not at all."
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"text": " So we go and I get the orange jumpsuit. I get the toilet paper roll, the three in one shower gel, a bar soap, a cup and a toothbrush looking thing that I really didn't even want to put in my mouth. And he's like, all right, we're going to go. So we go, he drops me off and it's basically like one big ass room with a TV on it with these huge plastic chairs with no corners on them. It's like everything just like really wide out, I guess. So you can't pick them up and hit them, hit nobody with it."
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"text": " And there's a doorway at the bottom and a doorway at the top. And then those are other just long rooms with bed bunk beds on each side. I'd never been in before. I didn't know what none of this was. And he's like, you know, just go upstairs or go on the bottom. And he's like, just find you a bunk. You know, you just chill out. Don't, you know, don't cause any shit. You'll be out in the morning. So I go to the top one. I walk in, everybody's got all the bottom ones, obviously."
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"text": " I walk all the way to the back, all the way to the front. And I see the guy that said his sister on fire. The only friendly face I see in the whole joy or the guy I knew, I don't want to say friendly face, but I see him and I was like, I said, you care if I get up there? He's like, no, man, go ahead. And I was like, I said, uh, I know he wasn't supposed to talk. I was like, I said, well, how'd it go by the way? He said, man, I got 15 years. He's like, that was good. He's like, I was facing 30. He's like, so I'm good. I'm blessed. It's like, uh, well, I mean, I, you know, I guess that's the way to look at it. Yeah. That's the best way to look at it. How's your sister? Yeah."
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"text": " Oh, not so much. So we're in there. I mean, like, I'm just laying up there, just staring at the roof in this jail. And I'm just like, how the fuck did I get here? Like, this isn't supposed to happen. This is like, you know, this is why you have a gun. This is why you take CWP courses, which I had taken, which I had a license to carry. Like this is, this is in their class. This is what this is used for. And yet here my ass is staring at the top of the ceiling, freezing to death, by the way."
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"text": " But while I was in there, I'll say like, I think everybody needs to do a night or two in county. I don't wish prison on them, but right in county, go do a night or two, not don't go in for what I went in for. But you know, just, I think it would just open your eyes because I was expecting the worst and it really wasn't. You had guys in there that were trying to uplift other people like, Hey,"
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"text": " You get out, you can do a landscaping business. You can start this. It's not too late. You've not totally screwed it up. You can turn this around. It's three guys talking to one guy. And so I'm like, that's actually pretty cool that they were doing that. And so I'm starting to get a little bit more at ease. I hadn't took a shower. I felt filthy. And I was like, do I take a shower or not?"
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"text": " I'm kind of just trying to, I was like, I've seen, this is what I've seen in odds and movies. You know, things don't go too well in the shower. So I decided I'm going to do it. It's like two 30 in the morning and I'm heading in there and one guy stopped and he's like, go in the shower. And I'm just like, I can't say no, that's the only place you go. And I'm like, yeah, he's like, oh, you know how to shower works, right? With the little thing, you know, you put the thing in there and I'm like, oh yeah. Well, that's, I didn't know how it works, but I told him, yeah. And I'm like, oh yeah, you know, yeah, same as last time. Right. Yeah. I go in there."
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"text": " I didn't know what the hell I was doing. There was like a little piece of plastic, I guess, that you wedge in there somehow or another, because when you hit it, it only stays running for like four seconds. Yeah. And then it cuts off. Yeah. Usually they'll have, a lot of the times they'll have a pen that you could put the pen in. So I guess that slid in there somehow. I couldn't figure it out. So I had to take a shower like this. So I take the shower, come out, everything was all good. Wake up the next morning, you know, fairly"
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"text": " After right after breakfast, they come, they call and like when they call my name to get out, everyone's like, yo, you getting out? I'm like, yeah. What that morning he come to me and offer me a job. One of the guys offered me a job. He's like, you need a job, man. I can put you doing something. I'm like, I actually, I got bombed, bro. I'm getting out of here. Hopefully we're in a couple hours. He's like, all right, don't worry about it. What do you mean? One of the guys, like one of the, I guess, like I would call him the head guy. I don't know if he was a trustee or he was a prisoner, but I guess it would be the, yeah. Okay. Yeah. They clean they, whatever. So he's going to give you a job. Like you'll do all the,"
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"text": " They come up with some crazy stuff from there. So, but as they call me to get out, like I get flocked, they're like, Oh bro, you get now, can I have this? Can I have this? Can I have your toilet paper? Y'all can have the whole damn bag. I don't, I don't need none of it. So I get out and like, that's kind of the first, I've been holding that in for, you know, four days since all this happened. I get out, I'm thinking, well, at least I still got a job, you know? So I called up my job. I told them it was like, Hey, I didn't even know if they knew I got arrested because I hadn't talked to them since then."
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"text": " So I get out, I was like, Hey, I said, you know, I'm coming in Monday. It's like, all right, we'll see you when you get here. Monday. I go Monday. It's like, Hey, can you head on over to the, uh, you know, president's office? It's a president company or not president company, GM of the facility. No, no. Go over there. I was like, Oh boy, this, this probably isn't good. So he goes in, sits down. It's way, you know, what, what happened? I kind of give him a little, you know, brief overview. And he's like, man, unfortunately, man, we got to let you go."
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"text": " And I'm just like, why? And he was like, you know, he's like, it's just, it's a security thing. He's like, if you all get it clear, all this, you know, why are you back? And I'm just, he's like, but I can't imagine what you're going through right now. I'm like, imagine getting fired on top of it. That shit don't help. And so now I thought I was, at least I had a job. I could fight it now. I don't have a job. So I called wife when I left and like, all right, well, it's,"
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"text": " I hate to say it got worse, but it did get worse. Um, now I don't have a job. So now I'm applying for food stamps, Medicaid, everything. Cause now I've got a pending murder charge on my record. I don't know how easy it's going to be to get a job. So that was kind of the first in between that and still kind of prepping to fight this case. I'm looking for employment. So I started looking at waste management. Uh, they, it was like a container shop welder. So the trash cans that get beat all to hell."
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"text": " you go and, you know, if they get dented up, you cut out the old parts, weld in new parts. Cause that's what I am by trades of welder. And so I go in and I'm like, I don't know whether to tell these people what's going on or to hide it. And so when it got to the point about, you know, have you ever been arrested for anything? I told this guy like, listen,"
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"text": " They send the letter back. Unfortunately, you have a pending felony on your record. We are hereby resending our offer for employment and waste management. So now I know I can't go anywhere established that's going to run my background because I got a pending murder charge. So the places that I would go to have now shrunk from this big availability to this. I find a sign company that's looking for a fabricator. I put in an application with them. He calls me."
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"text": " This time I don't say it. I don't put that I've been convicted because of that point that I haven't. I checked the box, you know, ever been convicted? No. I just basically kind of break it down. It's like, Hey, I worked with new core. You know, I was looking to get out of the swing shift thing. My son's fixing to get in sports. I want to be able to work day shift, be a little bit more involved. I kind of swing that angle with him. He's like, Oh man, I can't pay you what you're making there. I was like, I'm not asking you to, I was like, you know, what, whatever's reasonable. I'm fair. I said, I just want something straight days where I don't have to work nights anymore."
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"text": " And so he's like, all right, we can bring you on at this. I agree to it. You know, wasn't great, but it was still a job and it was money. And that was the biggest thing right now. So start there. It's great. Going good. Meeting everybody. You know, everybody's nice. I'm like three months in to this job. And he comes to me and he's like, Hey, we got a job at your old place. And I'm like old place. And he's like, yeah, new course that we got to go there and put out a sign. I'm like, really? He's like, yeah, it's the led sign outside."
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"text": " I'm praying to God that they're just talking with people outside and they don't have to go in the plant because then they're going to be talking. Sure enough, they go in, I guess they talk with somebody. They tell them, yeah, we got a guy working with us. He used to work out here. What's his name? Uh, Wade. Oh, I know ways. How's that charge is going? What charge? The murder charge. You know, he got arrested for shooting that guy. Huh? They didn't know. Well, now they know."
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"text": " So I find out that job. No. So I'm like, just nervous as shit, anxiety, ulcer written that they're going to call me and fire me. They never, the owners never mentioned it. The guy that was kind of like my supervisor mentioned it, just kind of asked me what happened. And I gave him the breakdown, but he,"
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"text": " I don't know. I know they had to know because there was periods of time where you would have to go on Air Force bases to do what we had to do. They would never send me on those jobs because you had to have a clean background, but they would send me on everything else. So I know they knew, but they never mentioned it, which"
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"text": " is great, but in a way it was worse because every day I was like, is this the day he's going to call me? Right. I was going to say that during that three month period, before you got to that point, I was thinking to art is every day you're showing up thinking, is this the day? Is this the day? Yeah. After that, I was like, are they going to call me and think about the way? Why didn't you tell me? Why didn't you say this? Right."
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"text": " But I think what it was, I had established myself that I was never late. I was always there, done whatever they needed, worked overtime, would show up early. I think they kind of knew I was a good guy, even though they didn't know the whole story. Cause at this point I hadn't been doing podcasts or anything. They didn't know the whole story. And I never talked to them or told it to them either. So I guess they just, you know, rolled with it, but it was still a hell not, not being able to know if like, if I was going to get fired any day in there because they found out."
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"text": " So I worked there from, I'd say 2018 right after it happened. This was less than a month after I got out of jail. I was there and I worked there all the way till 2020. Now in regards to the case, what's going on is we're going ahead and trying to put everything together for a immunity hearing or what he calls a Duncan hearing first based on self-defense and castle law."
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"text": " So the first thing that we have is, um, discovery hearing. So we had that and that's not where you can bring out evidence or whatever is basically the cops are just saying, Hey, this is why we charged him. So it's the detective that's on the case and my lawyer, he ate her alive during that discovery hearing to the point to where the judge almost tossed it."
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"text": " Like she even said at the end, she's like, while there's not a lot here to support this charge, given the circumstances, I am going to bind it to trial. This was in, I think June. So the shooting happened in April, a preliminary hearing in June. So the next step now is to go to trial. But my lawyer has always already said, we're going to say, all right, we want to immunity hearing based on self-defense and the council law. If we have that and we win it, there is no trial. You're done. You're protected from everything. That's our next step."
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"text": " So he has his forensics investigator from New York. They fly to the house. They go in the house. They set up the little lasers that you see on like the CSI things or whatever, you know, that shows the bullet pass trajectory. Right. So when we were locked up and I shot him the three times, one bullet stayed in him. Two came out, one hit the refrigerator and hit off the handle, the refrigerator, and then ricocheted and hit a wall."
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"text": " in the kitchen, like right above my dog pen. The other one went through a 24 pack of water that was to the left of the refrigerator, like right up against it, but just on the counter. They didn't even find the one that was in the water. I found that one after I got out of jail."
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"text": " and we had to call them to come out there and retrieve it. So that ought to give you a little bit of a heads up of what kind of police work was actually done. They didn't even find one of the damn bullets, right? They knew two of them were there. They only recovered one. So when he comes there, he hooks up a laser from the wall that shoots back to the refrigerator that then shoots in the corner of the kitchen where I said we were standing. And so we're trying to line it up where he, the, my lawyer can get a visual of where everybody was standing."
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"text": " So he's like, all right, I want you to put Steve where you were, you know, put him how you guys work. So he's standing there and I'm in front, but it wasn't quite like lining up. It was off a little bit. And he's like, well, something's not adding up. I'm like, well, he wasn't just standing there. And he's like, what do you mean? I said, well, when he swung, he kind of took a step like that. And I said, and he was already coming back, like charging me, like kind of crouched down in football tackle. I was like, so take a step back. He took a step back and I was like, all right, now crouch down. Like you're fixing to run at me."
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"text": " And when he did that, that dot went right on that mark on that shirt. And so then my lawyer was like, he said, that's all I need. He said, you're in a corner. He said, he's coming at you. He's charging at you. You know, he's coming, you fired. It goes there. It hits the refrigerator, hits the wall. He said, that's all I need. I'm good. And so we got that ready and we're like, all right, we're just waiting. Well, that was probably."
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"text": " So I'm still making payments to him all this time to get that 15 grand caught up. When I got fired from Nucor, I drew out my entire 401k, cashed it out, got all the money. I paid my wife back. I paid my mom back. I paid him his 15 that he needed for the retainer. I paid off my car. That way I had no bills. And so that way the less money I was making on the job, I was able to kind of at least keep my head above water."
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"text": " but you're still technically curfew. Yeah. It wasn't even curfew. I wasn't supposed to be out. Like if I wasn't at work, a doctor's visit, a lawyer's visit or church, I'm not, I'm supposed to be home. Right now."
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"text": " About three years, I never made one delivery, but I did work for him technically for about three years. So that was what I would use. If I needed to go out or go somewhere, do something, I would go on the app. I would put on there that I was working. I had the bag in the back seat of the car. I had the little credit card. And if I ever got pulled over and somebody questioned it, I'd be like, look, dude, I'm working. I'm waiting for a job. You know, I can't sit at the house. Yeah."
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"text": " You know, I'm so far off the beaten path. It's not even registering that they need jobs out there. So it was kind of the perfect cover because my lawyer told me he's like, if you get caught away from your house, he's like, we can work with almost anything except a DUI. He's like, that is not going to be something that I'm going to be happy to have a conversation with you about. And so that's kind of how I went with it. I had that app. It was working. If I needed to go here, go there, run it a grocery store, go to Walmart, whatever. So I felt a little bit comfortable."
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"text": " I never got pulled over. Nobody ever asked me about it. Even times when I did get pulled over, nobody ever brought it up. Nobody ever questioned about it. I got pulled over in the work truck for speeding one time. We now work with a sign company. Nobody ever brought it up."
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"text": " I don't know. I don't know if they're watching like the first six months. I didn't do anything. I was just like, they're probably watching me across the street. But then as it, as that kind of progressed, I'm like, look, I don't, you know, I started getting a little bit braver, going a little bit more, a little bit more, and I didn't abuse it, but I definitely didn't stay like I was supposed to. But I mean, I had the app to, to back it up, justify me being home. So that kind of progresses. The solicitor gets changed."
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"text": " They do allow me to go to my son's sporting events. I can do that. So anything he has football related or whatever, I can do that. Well, I go from that to I become a coach. Then they start doing out of town tournaments. So I'm able to travel with that. So I'm great. I mean, I like doing that, but I'm grabbing anything that can get me out and associating. So when you say solicitor, just to be sure you mean like the district attorney. That's what we call them in South Carolina. It's the same thing, but they just call them solicitors. All right."
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"text": " Yeah, I don't know why that they call them refer to them as solicitors down there, but that's, that's what they call them. Now that is kind of where the podcast comes in because around COVID around that job, I'm getting so bored. I'm about to lose my mind and I got the idea to start a podcast."
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"text": " I talked to a buddy of mine that I've known since high school. He had already had a podcast. His was geared more towards photography. So I started like kind of picking his brain about what to do. And he's like, well, what do you want to cover? And I'm like, I don't know, man, true crime, you know, talk about movies, you know, serial killers, whatever the case. And I was like, you know, he's like, so you want to do crime and entertainment. And I'm like, that's a pretty damn catchy name. I like that."
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"text": " So I started crime and entertainment. Originally we were just audio that kind of blossomed into doing interviews, Lilo Brancato, who was in the Bronx tail. If you've seen that movie, he was my first ever interview. And then just little by little, man, it started snowballing. I started gaining better interviews, making connections. Um, Anthony Ruggiano, who's a former mobster."
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"text": " I made a connection with him and he invited me to New York to do some stuff. Now, I'm not telling nobody as I'm doing these podcasts and I'm currently on house arrest fighting a murder charge. Right. They don't know this."
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"text": " And so he's inviting me to come to New York and he's like, man, come on down to New York. He's like, we got a studio when he can meet this person, this person. I'm like, okay, let me check with the wife. Meanwhile, the wife is actually the lawyer who's going to see if I can go. Right. And so I call him up and I'm like, look, this is technically a job. You know, I'm YouTube and I'm making money. It's not very much, a couple of dollars, but you know, can I go to New York? And so he runs it by the, uh, solicitor. The solicitor says, yeah."
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"text": " The people that had done my bond, Sinclair Bale bondsman, I did have to tell them when I left and when I got back. And I didn't even talk to nobody. I had to leave a message on an answering machine. I think they knew that if you got Andy Savage as a lawyer, you're not going to skip town. So I never even talked to anybody on the phone the whole entire time. We went one time when I was going on this trip in New York and told him, and that's when he was like, well, just call and let us know when you go and you get back. Those were messages. I never talked to anybody the whole time I was out on bond."
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"text": " So we go, the podcast goes good, you know, goes good. We do a lot of shows, some for my channel, some for his channel. One of them winds up at the time being his biggest show, had almost a hundred thousand views. So it was starting to snowball a little bit. Then he asked me to come back. It's probably like six months later and I called him. I'm like, Hey, you know, I got a chance to go back to New York for something else."
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"text": " And he's like, well, he's like, if you want me to ask, I'll ask. But he's like, I don't know if they're going to keep letting it go. And I'm like, well, this thing could be like a reoccurring thing. I may have to keep going. And so he's like, let me see if we can just get something going on this resolution for your case at this time. It's almost five years that this thing had been going on five years, 2018. It happened. We've got 2019, 2020, 2021, 22. It was like 2023 is starting to wrap up. It's closing in on five years."
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"text": " And I'm like, yeah, I'd love to get the shit behind me. Like I'm really ready. Cause if this podcast keeps going, I'm going to need to go a lot of different places and I don't want it to stop me. So they let me go the second time I go to New York and come back. And so he's like, look, he said, I've got an idea. He's like, but I don't know if you're going to be comfortable with this or not. He said, we're going to call and just the new solicitor that he got hired was a younger guy from the district attorney's office."
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"text": " He said, we're going to call him and he's like, we're going to show them everything we've got. He said, we're going to lay it all on the table. And he said, we think it's going to be so damn strong that they're not even going to want to go for an immunity or they're just going to drop it. He's like, but the downside to that is if we don't get it,"
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"text": " You showed him everything we have. Yeah, you showed him your hand. And so like, I'm just sitting back. I'm nervous and I don't know what to do. I'm burning one down. I'm listening to some jelly roll, trying to get my head right. I don't know what to do. And finally, I just told the wife, I'm like, I think we're going to do it. I'm going to just let him do it. I don't think he would have brought it to me if he wasn't confident in it."
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"text": " And so like, and meanwhile, this, these whole five years, man, it's, it's tough. It's like going to the doctor and them telling you if you got terminal cancer and I'm like, all right, we'll call you with the results and you never get called. Right. Because in the middle of all this, my daughter graduated. They did allow me to go to the graduation, but I couldn't go to dinner or anything with them. I had to come straight back home. So like, I can't even enjoy the graduation without thinking, am I going to see my son graduate? Right. Am I going to be around for that?"
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"text": " I can't enjoy a Christmas because I don't know if that's going to be the last Christmas, Easter, birthdays, anniversaries. You never know if one of them is going to be the last one you have because this is some serious shit. We're talking to life in prison or, you know, 30 to life. Basically I think there are 25 to life, 30 to life. One of them, a life was on the end of it. So I made the decision to tell Andy, I was like, all right, we're going to do it. So he brings a solicitor back down here. They come back to the house. They kind of get some notes."
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"text": " and they put together like a video montage. He brings the solicitor back down. Where? What do you mean? Here? The, the, I'm sorry. I said solicitor. I'm an investigator, the forensics investigator. He brings them from New York to our house in South Carolina. Okay. Cause that guy's based out of New York. He just brings them down when he has work for him to do with cases. Okay. So he owns his own forensics business in New York. His name is John Palucci. I think is his name."
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"text": " So he comes back down, he comes back to the house, he's making some notes and basically what they're doing is they're prepping like a little slide presentation. And so we set up a date. We all go to the police station, me, my lawyer, my investigator, Steve, and the forensics guy."
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"text": " And we put it in there and we play it. And it's like clip by clip of that morning, you know, he's like, you know, my client said that there was a struggle and you guys said there was no evidence of a struggle, you know, cause that's what during the preliminary hearing, the detective, she was like, you know, we found no evidence that there was a struggle. We don't think that we're in close proximity. She basically tried to say, I was lying about everything that I said that happened. So in this he's like, you know, y'all said there wasn't no evidence of a struggle."
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"text": " So he took a screenshot from that first arriving officer's body cam and zoomed into the corner. And you could see a knocked over shot glass on the ground that had like obviously rolled up under the, you know, the edge of the counter in there. And he's like, here, you have a knocked over shot glass here. And it zoomed in with the air to it over here. You have another knocked over glass on the corner where he got knocked into zoomed into it. He's like, obviously this is signs of a struggle, right? Then it went to like more of the directional of the bullets. He's like,"
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"text": " You know, you guys are trying to say that he was farther away from, you know, than he said he was. My kitchen's only width-wise six feet, if that. If he's farther away from me, then he's falling against the refrigerator and, you know, hitting against it. He can't fall flat. And his head's probably like that far from the refrigerator."
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"text": " And what they did was they really kind of screwed themselves on that because they were trying to say that he was farther back. Had he been farther back, these bullets would have hit kind of almost side by side, and each mark would have been close together."
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"text": " Because he was so close, they had a chance to V out, which is why one hit the water and then one hit the door ricocheted and hit the wall. Right. Because of the trajectory of the weapon. If, if he was closer, you were twisting. So it was a huge spread, but if he was laying against the thing, you would have fired twice into boom, boom. Yeah. And if he was further back, like I said, he did probably fill up against the refrigerator or like half up against it or something. Right. He was stretched out across the floor because if you, and one of his, his right leg,"
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"text": " was bent behind his left leg. And he went through and showed like a bunch of things of people getting shot and the way their bodies would just collapse. Right. And it was in line with that. He's like, there's like a collapse. That's why this leg is behind the other one. Cause it, the force hit him and he just fell straight back. Right. And so all of that stuff was like scientific reasons why everything lined up to where it said they collected a shell casing from my kitchen sink. I didn't even know about this. This was the first time I ever heard about it."
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"text": " A shell casing was in the sink because when you fire the gun, the bullets come out, you know, bounce them to the right. Yeah. One went into the sink. He's like, there's no other reason that bullet casing would have been in the sink. Had he not been backed up in that corner right next to the sink? Like he said, he was, he's like, he's not just going to pick a showcase and I'm put in the sink. And I, that was the first time I'd ever seen that. And I was like, well, that's pretty damn obvious too. I didn't even know that."
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"text": " they then start focusing in on the clothes. And he was like, you guys are saying that there was no blood on his clothes, but there's not going to be. I had on a white long sleeve t-shirt, right? But he had on three layers of clothes. He had on like a t-shirt, then a long sleeve shirt, like an under armor, and then another, uh, like thin hoodie shirt over the top of that. So when all these bullets hit, there was no back spatter on me."
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"text": " had there been, it would have been, it would have been contained within the clothing. Right. Exactly. And that was one of their biggest thing was, you know, he said he was so close, but yet he didn't have any blood on him. And, you know, he tried to do life saving measures or so he claimed, but there was still no blood on him. Like, who do you think put the fucking towel there? Like nobody else was in the house. He didn't go get it. Like, who do you think went and got that? And so he broke all that down and it was just every reason that they had that I was guilty or that I was lying. He basically scientifically broke it apart."
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"text": " Then the next part was like, all right, we're going to show you the evidence that we have on him. Now I wasn't allowed to do that part. And he was like, he said, just go to your house. He's like, we're coming there next. We're bringing the solicitor. We're bringing his number two. We're bringing up detective investigators. Yeah. Or solicitor investigator. Like his basically."
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"text": " The solicitor, his number two and the investigator of that crime scene for the police department was all coming to my house with my lawyer, my investigator and my friend, this guy. That was the third stop. We went there. He showed them what we had. They showed them what they had, which was nothing. Because when I got to the house, my investigator got there first and I was like, I said, so what do they have on me? He's like, nothing. What do you mean? Nothing. He's like, they have your clothes."
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"text": " He's like, that was it. He said, they have your clothes and your gun and the ballistics of the gun, obviously match the, you know, the, the bullets. He's like, but you know, obviously you weren't trying to hide that. You said you shot him. And he was like, other than that, he's like, there's nothing I'm going to say. He showed you the evidence. He's like, yeah, pretty much. He's like, they said they had a computer, but it was nothing on the computer. I'm like, no, I just bought the damn thing two weeks ago. And they took that out. They took the computer. I don't even know why they did that. And."
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"text": " So everybody comes. They wanted to search the history to see if you looked up how to get away with killing someone. That was big in the Scott Peterson case or something like that. They always do because these idiots get on the computer and they start typing away. How to dissolve a body. How to use chloroform."
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"text": " Well, they took it. Um, and by the time I got it back, it was very outdated. I only think I turned it back on after I got it back, but we do that. They come. And so now I got the solicitor, his number two and the police investigator of that crime scene in the house."
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"text": " And I walked them through everything in the kitchen. I think that really helped because it put them in the kitchen. It put them in the actual space where all this happened. The glass that was knocked over on the counter, it wasn't like a solo cup. It was like a Manhattan rocks glass that you just pour like liquor into. And I let that guy hold. I still had it. I let him hold it. I'm like, here, hold that and put it in his hand. He could feel the weight of it. So you really got to hit that thing with some force to knock it over. You're not just going to barely tap it and it fall over."
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"text": " He's seen the refrigerator. I never changed the refrigerator. I never fixed the dents. They were all still there. We covered them up with pictures, but once they come, we took all that down. Right. And so everything in a sense was still there just like it was. And I was able to walk him through it, show him like I'm here. He's here. Here's where the bullets hit. That's where the sticker was on the wall. All that shit. We never took none of it off. The stickers were there. Everything. I didn't, I just had a feeling all this stuff was going to come into play at some point."
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"text": " So he sees it and he takes it in. This was like July or July or August, somewhere along in there. So they leave and we sit and we just kind of have a conversation, me and the lawyer. And he's like, I feel good about it. He's like, but you know, we'll see what happens."
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"text": " July goes by, August goes by, September goes by, it's going by, it's about mid September. And he's like, you know, I figured I would have heard something by now. He was like, I might give them a call and kind of press their buttons. And he CC me on email and he's like, Hey, I know you guys have our, you know, discovery and everything. He's like, if you want to go ahead and go to trial, let me know. I'm anxious to get this behind us. You know, we can be ready as quick as you guys are. And they're like, Andy, we're still resolving stuff. We'll get back with you soon. September goes by."
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"text": " October's going by almost end of October, right before Halloween. Um, I'm at work and my lawyer calls me one day. Now I'm not thinking that this is any big thing. He calls me, he doesn't call me a bunch, but he's, it's not uncommon. So he calls me this particular week. I was sick as shit. I had the flu and he's like, wait, how you doing? I'm like, ah, man, I'm feeling a little sick. He's like, well, I got some news is going to make you better. He's like, the case has been dismissed. And I'm just like,"
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"text": " I got to walk outside. I'm like, what now? And he's like, yeah, it's dismissed. He's like, they dismissed it. No more trial, no more nothing. He's like, it's over. You are free and clear, my friend. And dude, I fucking dropped to my knees. I was crying. I was like, just I, it was the biggest weight ever. I had had lifted off me and, you know, I called my wife, called my mom, called my dad, called all the usual suspects and, you know, told them that it was, it was finally done. And it was just such a relief, man, to get that off my chest."
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"text": " And, you know, it was such a relief, man, because now I'm kind of almost back to where I was before all this shit started. But like you said earlier, and you said knowing what I know about the justice system, like I was one of those guys that thought if they arrested somebody, he must be guilty. He's guilty. Yeah, he's got to be guilty. Yeah, got to be arrested. Yeah, they wouldn't arrest you for no reason. Bullshit."
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"text": " Right. Was his father beating him? Was he beating his mom? Was he molesting his sister? You know, I'm, I'm now stepping back and thinking, why is this going on? Why is somebody doing what they're doing? And that's what I, and admittedly I wasn't like that before. I was always thinking, well, if they rested him, he must be guilty. And so many people think like that. And it's, it's, there's not a doubt in my mind. I wasn't rich, but I did have the availability to get to that 401k that had about a hundred thousand dollars in it."
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"text": " It's very, very important and it's not really talked about enough because once you get in there, you're kind of erased. People forget about you. Obviously other than your family members, like you get erased. And then a lot of times there's some states that don't even have compensation if you're in there. And I was fortunate that I was not locked up that entire time. Yeah. You know, I was out, I was able to work. It was hell. It was stressful."
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"text": " But I was I was lucky in that regard, but there's some people that aren't lucky. I mean Jeffrey done what 16 years? I talked to another guy named Andre Brown that did 22 years wrongfully convicted. What about that black guy? They just erased or just erased just released who'd been locked up. I want to say 45 years for murdering his wife and they just found out that he didn't do it and the judge apologizes to him."
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"text": " Then I am so sorry that I mean, he's this old black man. And he's just, you know, he's just, he's 60 something years old, you're 60 or 70 something years old, you miss it, it's, it's so sad. It's like, even if you give this guy, you give this guy $20 million, that don't mean shit. He lost 45 years of his life. And here's the thing is that, and there's lots of good cops out there, but they'll be you somewhere in there is a dirty cop."
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"text": " That didn't or a corrupt cop or an ineffective cop that didn't really know but he just decided to push the issue that I think so. What do you think? So yeah, where's the evidence that says that this person did it? Did you push it because this whole guy probably went to trial got a life sentence and maybe there's some cop that got on the stand and bullshit it or maybe maybe you know, who knows what the or somebody got on the stand and said, oh, I saw him running out of the thing and you don't really"
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"text": " You don't, you obviously didn't see him. So somebody lied or something. Somehow or another, that guy ended up with a life sentence and now he'll never get him that back. And that's how that's kind of what happened here because the detective that was over my case, you know, I'm not disparaging women. Women are very capable of being detectives or being in law enforcement. I'm sure there's some very good ones out there. This one, however, was not a good one. She sucked. She was new."
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"text": " She was newly promoted from what I understand from friends that I did have in the department. It was time for a woman, you know, to check the box that you've been promoting women. So she was just promoted to detective. I was her first murder case. And we think that she just kind of rushed to judgment on this. And it was like, Oh, he obviously this is love triangle thing. He killed him to get his wife. This is, you know, anybody can see this."
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"text": " Without knowing anything. Right. Well, maybe if you looked at the evidence first, you'd realize that it's not your first, this isn't your first murder case, by the way, this is your first justified, uh, you know, uh, shooting. Exactly. That's what this is. That. And that's exactly how it is. Now, let me tell you about her career path as we wrap up. So she just gets promoted to the detective. I'm her first case. She misses that bullet that gets brought up and that gets passed around the, the inside of the police station. She gets demoted from that to property crimes."
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"text": " She gets something happens with that. I don't know specifically what happened with that in the property crowns, but she goes from that to resource officer at an elementary school. That is the last stop in a law enforcement career. Right. High school was bad enough and elementary school. Yeah. And that's probably still too much responsibility for this bro. And you're slamming these little kids up against the fucking locker session. Well, as a matter of fact,"
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"text": " There was an article and it did not name her specifically. So I'm not even going to name her specifically, but she's the resource officer at this elementary school was charged for physically abusing a patient with a handicap. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And one more story to boot. Somebody sends me a text message."
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"text": " Uh, one day, but I didn't have their numbers saved and it was like, was this you? So I didn't open it up and I'm thinking it's those scams you see on Facebook where it's like, is this you in the picture or something? I just never clicked on it. So about two days later, somebody sends another message like, damn, was this really, was this really you? And I'm like, who is this? And he responded, he told me his name and I was like, Oh, I was like, I didn't catch the number. He's like, did you look at that link? I said, no, I thought it was a scam. He was like, click on it."
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"text": " while she was directing traffic. And he was asking, was it me? And I was like, it was not me. I was nowhere around there. And I've seen that woman since then. I was in Buffalo Wild Wings with my son watching the national championship game. And when this lady walked in, she had gained a little weight since then. So I recognized her a little bit, but wasn't sure. And the husband kept kind of looking at me a little bit. And I'm like, where do I know these people from? Where they sit down. Did you do one of these? No, I did not. I did not do that."
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"text": " They sit down and all these kids come in with this South Carolina law thing on and I text my wife, I'm like, what does this mean? And she's like, that's our law enforcement class. And I'm like, that's that bitch that locked me up. And I looked down and I kept staring down at her the whole time. And every part of me wanted to get up and go down. I'm like, look, if you people want to be in law enforcement,"
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"text": " But God sakes, we need good people because this incompetent MF'er is not who you need to be learning from. I can promise you that. Go learn from anybody else. But I didn't. I kept my mouth shut. But I mean, I think it's, it's karma, man. She's teaching the class. I don't, I don't know if she was just taking them out for, I don't know what her role in it was. You know, the big, you know, the term, you know, those who can't do teach. Oh yeah. Well she can't do, I don't think she can teach anyway. Yeah. And I mean, she's rough, she's roughing up damn, you know, handy, handicapped kids and everything else. Really some karma."
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"text": " Yeah, 100%. And she had a conversation with my mom one time and she's like, you know, just so you know, there's no hard feelings. I'm just doing my job."
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"text": " No, you're not doing your job. I wouldn't be here. Yeah, I was gonna say I'm just doing my job. You mean arresting innocent people that were in the safety of my own home attacked in my own home with a licensed registered firearm that I'm allowed to carry when I was attacked in my own home that I defended myself and you're saying and you believe I should go to prison for life."
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"text": " And that, and that was it, that gun, they pulled the records on that gun. I had been pulled over by the cops before with that gun. And when I tell them, Hey, I got a gun on me, they'll run it. And it was a report where they ran the gun, which proved that that was the gun that I would carry on me. That was my carry gun, because they'll say that he's like, you care if we run it. And I'm like, no, go ahead. This was obviously before everything, but now like it just puts such a bad taste in my mouth with law enforcement. Like my granddaddy was a cop."
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"text": " And everybody loved him from what I understand. He was old school. If you were drinking, he would follow you home to you in your driveway and then said, if you come back out, then he would arrest you. He was a good cop. My brother-in-law is a cop. He's a great guy. But by and large, I do not trust law enforcement."
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"text": " Any at all in any any aspect and I try to tell my son like if you get into any kind of situation where cops asking you something don't say fuck all don't say nothing you tell them you're calling your dad and you don't say shit till I get there because"
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"text": " That's just, it's just the corruption element is just unbelievable. And then once you get in there, once you find out just how corrupt and messed up that whole system is by then it's too late and you're already involved and people don't really understand and they can't put their self in somebody's shoes until it happens to them. Yeah. I was gonna say the last thing they want to do, even when it's so obvious and clear that they made a mistake is admit they made a mistake, which was what was so shocking about that judge."
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"text": " saying because they're usually their judges have usually very pro a law enforcement. So the fact that the judge apologized and was like I am so sorry this happened to you. I mean the fact that she would even acknowledge anything like that. You know what's so funny is like the district attorneys never come forward and say look this is a major even if it's not them even this was hey this was 40 years ago. This was a guy that's retired and dead. I can go ahead and say they fucked up they still won't do it."
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"text": " And then, and the only bad thing now is like all those articles are still out there. So you can't do anything about them. One newspaper that ran an article on me when I got arrested, reached out after the fact. And I started not to even do it, but the lady, she was like, we're going to cover the story regardless, whether you interview with us or not. And so I told my wife, I'm like, if they're going to do it regardless, they can spend it however the hell they want. At least if I actually talked to them, maybe they'll get somewhat of, you know, my, my point of view from the story."
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"text": " And so we did it and they ran it, but that's the thing is like, nobody's going to come up and do her attraction for all this shit. Everything out there was, they were calling me the Cane Bay killer. The what? The Cane Bay killer or the Cane Bay murder. I mean, I had a nickname in there for what? I didn't get trick or treaters for five years. Nobody come to my house for trickery. It was like everybody's house. We ain't going to one 37. You can go to the next house. And you said that, and the Facebook posts are still up."
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"text": " Oh yeah, some of the Facebook posts are still up. I can go back and search them anytime, like there's fireworks or God forbid, gunshots or anything like that. The cops come straight to your house. They always say, gunshots, probably in old rice. That's where I live. Probably back in old rice. They got all kinds of gunshots going on over there. So I'm still brought up to this day. And I think it was like a year ago, I was on Facebook."
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"text": " And one of the ladies said something about, Oh, don't forget about the murder that happened, you know, a couple of years ago. And I commented, this was after everything was dropped. So I commented, I was like, I said, lady, could you try to be a little bit more informed? I said, there was no damn murder. I said, there was a self-defense shooting coach, quit spreading that bullshit. And she comes, she's like, so what makes you an episode expert on the subject matter? I said, I'm the damn one you're talking about. And then all of a sudden it got deleted."
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"text": " And so I sent her a nice little private message saying, Hey, you know, mind your own fucking business. But like, I had like a hit list of people that said shit that I couldn't say nothing to then. They're like, when I hit list and verbal them put that way, um, that I wanted to just set some people straight because it was a lot of people that I didn't even know that all was saying, Oh, I heard this and I heard that you didn't hear anything. Nobody talked to you. Nobody. You don't know anything. I didn't even talk to you. You're saying it."
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"text": " Yeah, you're making that up because that's more interesting than what happened. A guy defending himself because he got attacked in his own home isn't going to get as many clicks or views. And I understand that now being that, you know, in the podcast game, I understand this kind of stuff sells. I would, you know, that's going to get clicks. But in actuality, what really happened is it was self-defense. You wanted a juicy story of a love triangle or, you know, something like that going wrong and, you know, but that wasn't, that wasn't the case."
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"text": " Did you ever hear from anyone related to, what was his name? Liam. Liam. No. Um, I do know all his people were from the Pennsylvania and Michigan area. So when we went for the preliminary hearing, his parents were there and they were in the crowd or in the, you know, I don't know, audience might be the wrong word, whatever you call it, just be in the, in the background there."
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"text": " I never spoke to them. I never heard from them. As far as I know, they never reached out to my wife, at least not that she knew. When I got out of jail, they had to notify them that I was getting out. I think that's a protocol. If there's a crime committed against someone, anybody related to them, they have to know that they are getting out of prison."
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"text": " Um, and obviously there was, uh, you know, things in there of like, you know, you can't contact them or I had no reason to contact them. I've got nothing against them. I didn't know, you know, none of them and I don't have anything against them. Like, you know, make no mistake. I didn't."
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"text": " murder someone. I didn't, I don't even look at it as I killed someone. I survived someone trying to kill me. Right. That's what I did. I survived a situation because when we locked up and he looked me dead in my eyes and said he was going to kill me, there was no doubt in my mind. This dude was not fucking around. I could see it in his eyes and I knew one of us were not leaving that kitchen and I was just doing everything in my power to make sure that I was the one that left. But I never heard anything from his family. I never spoke to him."
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"text": " I'm sure I'm not their favorite person. I understand that. And, you know, I'm sorry for, for their loss, but I mean, like at the end of the day, if he hadn't done what he did, he'd still be alive. Do you think like, uh, do you have any sort of PTSD from that actual night or like, does it ever cross your mind? No, it crosses my mind a lot. Um, but it was like, the weird thing was when everything happened,"
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"text": " It was like such a succession. It was like the shooting, you know, then the meeting with the lawyer. Then I was arrested. Then I went to jail. Then I got out. Then I got fired. Then I had to look for another job. I never really had the time to sit down and dwell on just the shooting, you know, because everything was kind of such a rush from then on to try to get an employment and all that. I never really had time to sit and think. Now, as times went on,"
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"text": " I reflect back to that night. The first time that I was ever in that house by myself was a little creepy. My wife and kids went to visit her mom. Like I said, I got a two-story house and it's like every creek. You're just looking around. It was a little unsettling but as times went on,"
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"text": " I've made peace with it. I do have PTSD, I would say, from the whole ordeal as far as how quick life can change. Before this happened, man, I'd went a few places, Tennessee, Virginia. I never went to California. I never went to Vegas. I'd been minimal plane rides, period."
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"text": " but that's one reason now like I just I'm not a firm believer of like if there's something you want to do a concert you want to go see whatever trip you want to take go take it because in a you know in a matter of minutes your life can be flipped upside down and you know luckily everything come out on my side the right way but it could have very easily went the other way too and you know you and I aren't having this conversation. Hey I appreciate you guys watching the video do me a favor if you feel like it hit the subscribe button please share the video also please go to"
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